NTR: Psychology Discussion....

BabyMenzel

we have a discussion in our psychology class this week on how "the degree to which nature versus nurture shapes human behaviors and traits" and if you think biology is destiny. 

do you think biology is your destiny? (meaning the way you were raised/brought up is how your life will be)

i personally do not. for me, things happen for a reason and there's no way to change/influence what will happen

SBear12

I think there's an important difference between biology and genetics, that people don't always consider in the nature vs. nurture argument. Genetics obviously keep an individual from being a totally blank slate, but life experiences (ie, the way you're raised) can actually alter your biological make-up... neural pathways can be reset and such. So in some ways, nature is actually affected by nurture, maybe more than people tend to realize.

ETA -- I've spent way too much time as a psychology student...

BerriGirl

BabyMenzel:

we have a discussion in our psychology class this week on how "the degree to which nature versus nurture shapes human behaviors and traits" and if you think biology is destiny. 

do you think biology is your destiny? (meaning the way you were raised/brought up is how your life will be)

i personally do not. for me, things happen for a reason and there's no way to change/influence what will happen

Okay, not to be picky, but the way you were raised/brought up is not your biology. That's your environment (nurture). Your biology, or nature, is what you inherited or what you were exposed to in utero and therefore born with. So regardless of how you were raised/brought up, you'd end up that way because of your biological make up.

And I'm not sure what your last sentence means... are you saying there's no way to influence what will happen because you believe you're born into your destiny?

mrsrose16

Interesting discussion. No, I do not think how you were raised is your destiny. It is the experiences of the world around us (outside of our own family) that shape who we are, and change us.

BabyMenzel

BerriGirl:

BabyMenzel:

we have a discussion in our psychology class this week on how "the degree to which nature versus nurture shapes human behaviors and traits" and if you think biology is destiny. 

do you think biology is your destiny? (meaning the way you were raised/brought up is how your life will be)

i personally do not. for me, things happen for a reason and there's no way to change/influence what will happen

Okay, not to be picky, but the way you were raised/brought up is not your biology. That's your environment (nurture). Your biology, or nature, is what you inherited or what you were exposed to in utero and therefore born with. So regardless of how you were raised/brought up, you'd end up that way because of your biological make up.

And I'm not sure what your last sentence means... are you saying there's no way to influence what will happen because you believe you're born into your destiny?

yes this is what I believe

BerriGirl

SBear12:

I think there's an important difference between biology and genetics, that people don't always consider in the nature vs. nurture argument. Genetics obviously keep an individual from being a totally blank slate, but life experiences (ie, the way you're raised) can actually alter your biological make-up... neural pathways can be reset and such. So in some ways, nature is actually affected by nurture, maybe more than people tend to realize.

ETA -- I've spent way too much time as a psychology student...

Agree. What happens to you mostly at a young age, but I do think there are points of your life when you're receptive, to environmental changes which can alter your world view and therefore your behaviors. So children who are exposed to horrific things can often times grow up to do horrific things. But true psychotic behavior, for example, isn't learned... people can be born with wacky wiring.

J+O

I think it's 50/50.  There are certain qualities you could have but if you were never given the opportunity to explore those then you may not know you have them.

susanmosley

BabyMenzel:

BerriGirl:

BabyMenzel:

we have a discussion in our psychology class this week on how "the degree to which nature versus nurture shapes human behaviors and traits" and if you think biology is destiny. 

do you think biology is your destiny? (meaning the way you were raised/brought up is how your life will be)

i personally do not. for me, things happen for a reason and there's no way to change/influence what will happen

Okay, not to be picky, but the way you were raised/brought up is not your biology. That's your environment (nurture). Your biology, or nature, is what you inherited or what you were exposed to in utero and therefore born with. So regardless of how you were raised/brought up, you'd end up that way because of your biological make up.

And I'm not sure what your last sentence means... are you saying there's no way to influence what will happen because you believe you're born into your destiny?

yes this is what I believe

like you are just along for the ride and have no control in your life's path? 

LoriFalce

I think nothing is set in stone.

Biology is not an unscalable wall. There are people with genetic predispositions to diseases and conditions that never present.

Environment is not absolute. One savagely abused child might grow up to protect other kids while another continues the cycle of violence.

The intersection of nature and nurture is where people choose, whether knowingly or not, the people they will be.

 

BabyMenzel

susanmosley:

BabyMenzel:

BerriGirl:

BabyMenzel:

we have a discussion in our psychology class this week on how "the degree to which nature versus nurture shapes human behaviors and traits" and if you think biology is destiny. 

do you think biology is your destiny? (meaning the way you were raised/brought up is how your life will be)

i personally do not. for me, things happen for a reason and there's no way to change/influence what will happen

Okay, not to be picky, but the way you were raised/brought up is not your biology. That's your environment (nurture). Your biology, or nature, is what you inherited or what you were exposed to in utero and therefore born with. So regardless of how you were raised/brought up, you'd end up that way because of your biological make up.

And I'm not sure what your last sentence means... are you saying there's no way to influence what will happen because you believe you're born into your destiny?

yes this is what I believe

like you are just along for the ride and have no control in your life's path? 

basically yes.  like when i got pg with ds. i never should have but i did....i needed to grow up. i was 23, no steady job, still living at home....really along for the ride. I just needed to grow up, and ds did that for me. it gave me a dose of reality

LilMissLadybug

mrsrose16:

Interesting discussion. No, I do not think how you were raised is your destiny. It is the experiences of the world around us (outside of our own family) that shape who we are, and change us.

this exactly.

susanmosley

BabyMenzel:

susanmosley:

BabyMenzel:

BerriGirl:

BabyMenzel:

we have a discussion in our psychology class this week on how "the degree to which nature versus nurture shapes human behaviors and traits" and if you think biology is destiny. 

do you think biology is your destiny? (meaning the way you were raised/brought up is how your life will be)

i personally do not. for me, things happen for a reason and there's no way to change/influence what will happen

Okay, not to be picky, but the way you were raised/brought up is not your biology. That's your environment (nurture). Your biology, or nature, is what you inherited or what you were exposed to in utero and therefore born with. So regardless of how you were raised/brought up, you'd end up that way because of your biological make up.

And I'm not sure what your last sentence means... are you saying there's no way to influence what will happen because you believe you're born into your destiny?

yes this is what I believe

like you are just along for the ride and have no control in your life's path? 

basically yes.  like when i got pg with ds. i never should have but i did....i needed to grow up. i was 23, no steady job, still living at home....really along for the ride. I just needed to grow up, and ds did that for me. it gave me a dose of reality

And you are still choosing to just be along for the ride?  You know you can change stuff if you want to....really you can....try it!

LoriFalce

BabyMenzel:

susanmosley:

like you are just along for the ride and have no control in your life's path? 

basically yes.  like when i got pg with ds. i never should have but i did....i needed to grow up. i was 23, no steady job, still living at home....really along for the ride. I just needed to grow up, and ds did that for me. it gave me a dose of reality

You didn't have to grow up. People have children and blow off the responsiblity of it every single day. You chose to become an adult.

Why would you want to push off the maturity of that decision as something you had no choice in?

 

susanmosley

LoriFalce:

BabyMenzel:

susanmosley:

like you are just along for the ride and have no control in your life's path? 

basically yes.  like when i got pg with ds. i never should have but i did....i needed to grow up. i was 23, no steady job, still living at home....really along for the ride. I just needed to grow up, and ds did that for me. it gave me a dose of reality

You didn't have to grow up. People have children and blow off the responsiblity of it every single day. You chose to become an adult.

Why would you want to push off the maturity of that decision as something you had no choice in?

 

yeah!  that.  

lori said it much better.

again 

BabyMenzel

susanmosley:

LoriFalce:

BabyMenzel:

susanmosley:

like you are just along for the ride and have no control in your life's path? 

basically yes.  like when i got pg with ds. i never should have but i did....i needed to grow up. i was 23, no steady job, still living at home....really along for the ride. I just needed to grow up, and ds did that for me. it gave me a dose of reality

You didn't have to grow up. People have children and blow off the responsiblity of it every single day. You chose to become an adult.

Why would you want to push off the maturity of that decision as something you had no choice in?

 

yeah!  that.  

lori said it much better.

again 

i honestly went into it not knowing what the eff i was going to do. i had people trying to influence me to get an abortion/give up ds because they didn't think that i was ready to do this/that i could do this. i ran with it (the whole pg and figuring out what to do at a later time), and then when i realized what i got myself into i was at the end of my pregnancy and was like "you know what, im glad i got myself into this situation....i can do this" and here i am. i wouldn't change anything that happened one bit. 

LoriFalce

Menz - Just because you didn't know what you were doing doesn't mean you didn't participate in the decision to do it. Really, who does know what they're doing when they have their first child? But, barring those people on "I Didn't Know I Was Pregnant," we all choose to do it, whether before BFP or after.

I think you are seriously shortchanging yourself.

 

susanmosley

BabyMenzel:

susanmosley:

LoriFalce:

BabyMenzel:

susanmosley:

like you are just along for the ride and have no control in your life's path? 

basically yes.  like when i got pg with ds. i never should have but i did....i needed to grow up. i was 23, no steady job, still living at home....really along for the ride. I just needed to grow up, and ds did that for me. it gave me a dose of reality

You didn't have to grow up. People have children and blow off the responsiblity of it every single day. You chose to become an adult.

Why would you want to push off the maturity of that decision as something you had no choice in?

 

yeah!  that.  

lori said it much better.

again 

i honestly went into it not knowing what the eff i was going to do. i had people trying to influence me to get an abortion/give up ds because they didn't think that i was ready to do this/that i could do this. i ran with it (the whole pg and figuring out what to do at a later time), and then when i realized what i got myself into i was at the end of my pregnancy and was like "you know what, im glad i got myself into this situation....i can do this" and here i am. i wouldn't change anything that happened one bit. 

that is really great.  you have an awesome story.  good for you