LOL at this response to 2nd tri post

TMs1stBaby

The OP was about not being able to hear the babies hb at 14 weeks.  Obvioulsy a horrilbe ordeal.  Any way doctor ordered an urget u/s and she called for it and they said it would be a month.  I just read this response and it cracked me up.  I am not going to turn this poor girls thread into a healthcare debate, but I thought we could enjoy it over here:

I notice that you are in Canada - yet another reason why I don't want to deal with socialized medicine here especially if an URGENT U/S takes a month to schedule.  I doubt you even have the option of changing drs or getting to see another one sooner.  

 

jenifairies

TMs1stBaby:

The OP was about not being able to hear the babies hb at 14 weeks.  Obvioulsy a horrilbe ordeal.  Any way doctor ordered an urget u/s and she called for it and they said it would be a month.  I just read this response and it cracked me up.  I am not going to turn this poor girls thread into a healthcare debate, but I thought we could enjoy it over here:

I notice that you are in Canada - yet another reason why I don't want to deal with socialized medicine here especially if an URGENT U/S takes a month to schedule.  I doubt you even have the option of changing drs or getting to see another one sooner.  

 

She's lucky there's even a hospital nearby and those commies aren't making her birth in a barn.

lanie26

Bahahaha. That's hilarious. Dude, my midwives called for an urgent ultrasound and I was on the examining table at the hospital, across town 1 hour later.

I doubt an "urgent" ultrasound would be randomly scheduled by the patient.

She can go to any hospital and get it done right there. I love the assumption.

TMs1stBaby

Ugh...too late they already turned it into a healthcare debate.  I feel bad for that girl.  She come on worried about no heartbeat and gets told that here healthcare system sucks. 

fIowerchild

did you notice my reply?

JennDave+1

I am a Canadian and I find this bizarre. I am assuming it is not "urgent" as she is saying. For one thing it is definitely not uncommon to not hear the heartbeat at 14 weeks. I had my first ultrasound done at 20 weeks and was rescheduled for 2 weeks later for a repeat. If it was really urgent believe me she would be booked.

kgb1411

This post doesn't make any sense.  Why would an ultrasound to look for a fetal heartbeat take a month to schedule?  

BetchySprout

Of course she is freaking out and the responders don't take into account  that her information might not be accurate (I doubt they tried a stethoscope, fetoscope possibly (still too early for that)). I know when I was having bleeding I couldn't remember more than 1/4 of what the doctor said accurately. All I even remember is "threatened miscarriage".

ameliasmom

lanie26:

Bahahaha. That's hilarious. Dude, my midwives called for an urgent ultrasound and I was on the examining table at the hospital, across town 1 hour later.

I doubt an "urgent" ultrasound would be randomly scheduled by the patient.

She can go to any hospital and get it done right there. I love the assumption.

Lanie, I am so sick of you saying it is perfect.  It isn't.  I think the response here was stupid, yes.  But the way you respond, I have a feeling that you live in a large metro area.  Things are much different when you get away from the larger cities and you make it sound like it is not the case.

Lived it and suffered because of it.  Accept that your system is far from perfect.

TMs1stBaby

fIowerchild:

did you notice my reply?

Just saw it.  Eloquent as always. 

Califlorida

my sister lives in the sticks of alaska and she can't get access to an u/s without flying into another part of the state. she has to be flown into anchorage 2-3 weeks before her due date to sit around and wait to go into labor because they can't deliver her where she lives. 

it has nothing to do with canada's healthcare being shiity.  when you live in the middle of nowhere, that's what happens.

KGsky

I just like how the responder makes this woman's personal issue a statement about her feelings about socialized medicine.  Uh, do we give a crap whether YOU want socialized healthcare?  Ummm no.

 

TMs1stBaby

Califlorida:

my sister lives in the sticks of alaska and she can't get access to an u/s without flying into another part of the state. she has to be flown into anchorage 2-3 weeks before her due date to sit around and wait to go into labor because they can't deliver her where she lives. 

it has nothing to do with canada's healthcare being shiity.  when you live in the middle of nowhere, that's what happens.

Oh my god!  That's crazy.  It sounds like this girl is in the same predicament.  She went on to say that she lives in a small town, only one doctor and nearest hospital is 1 hour a way.

violetvirgo

ameliasmom:

lanie26:

Bahahaha. That's hilarious. Dude, my midwives called for an urgent ultrasound and I was on the examining table at the hospital, across town 1 hour later.

I doubt an "urgent" ultrasound would be randomly scheduled by the patient.

She can go to any hospital and get it done right there. I love the assumption.

Lanie, I am so sick of you saying it is perfect.  It isn't.  I think the response here was stupid, yes.  But the way you respond, I have a feeling that you live in a large metro area.  Things are much different when you get away from the larger cities and you make it sound like it is not the case.

Lived it and suffered because of it.  Accept that your system is far from perfect.

Nothing is perfect, but our HC system blows too and clearly there are some people that need to accept that!  

ameliasmom

violetvirgo:

Nothing is perfect, but our HC system blows too and clearly there are some people that need to accept that!  

Lived through both systems.  Prefer what I have now.

And this HC system does not blow.  It needs work but I have a  feeling that they are changing the wrong things.

ms_mellor

Ok...I back Lanie on this one.  I live in the sticks, and can get an 'urgent' u/s within days (I actually had one scheduled for the same day with DD).  No matter where you live, if you're an hour away from a hospital, you're an hour away from care...that's a choice you make when you move there.  If you truly need the care, you can get it.

 

lanie26

ameliasmom:

violetvirgo:

Nothing is perfect, but our HC system blows too and clearly there are some people that need to accept that!  

Lived through both systems.  Prefer what I have now.

And this HC system does not blow.  It needs work but I have a  feeling that they are changing the wrong things.

You prefer what you have now with insurance.

lanie26

ameliasmom:

lanie26:

Bahahaha. That's hilarious. Dude, my midwives called for an urgent ultrasound and I was on the examining table at the hospital, across town 1 hour later.

I doubt an "urgent" ultrasound would be randomly scheduled by the patient.

She can go to any hospital and get it done right there. I love the assumption.

Lanie, I am so sick of you saying it is perfect.  It isn't.  I think the response here was stupid, yes.  But the way you respond, I have a feeling that you live in a large metro area.  Things are much different when you get away from the larger cities and you make it sound like it is not the case.

Lived it and suffered because of it.  Accept that your system is far from perfect.

Yeah I've heard you berating our system before. it's far from perfect and I've never suggested it was. However, you're insured no? How would you benefit if you were not? Hm?

I say if you live in the sticks in one country and have little access to care, its the in any other area. Silly to assume otherwise.

MegGary

lanie26:

ameliasmom:

violetvirgo:

Nothing is perfect, but our HC system blows too and clearly there are some people that need to accept that!  

Lived through both systems.  Prefer what I have now.

And this HC system does not blow.  It needs work but I have a  feeling that they are changing the wrong things.

You prefer what you have now with insurance.

 Exactly!

Heather R

My eyes are stuck in a permanent eyeroll at Ameliasmom.

MegGary

Also the argument of living in the sticks vs. metro areas doesn't wash either. When I was pregnant I lived in the "sticks" & needed to see a Perinatologist. The closest that excepted my insurance over an hour 1 way everytime I needed to see one. I was high risk & had to have an u/s once a week in my 8th & 9th month. I had to make a choice. Go to the local u/s clinic attached to the hospital & have an u/s tech do the u/s than wait for the results or drive over an hour for the u/s every week.

 Thats in America. Thats with insurance. Thats why it doesn't matter if you live in the US or Canada. Either way you slice it it was because of my location not because of our healthcare system.

ameliasmom

lanie26:

ameliasmom:

lanie26:

Bahahaha. That's hilarious. Dude, my midwives called for an urgent ultrasound and I was on the examining table at the hospital, across town 1 hour later.

I doubt an "urgent" ultrasound would be randomly scheduled by the patient.

She can go to any hospital and get it done right there. I love the assumption.

Lanie, I am so sick of you saying it is perfect.  It isn't.  I think the response here was stupid, yes.  But the way you respond, I have a feeling that you live in a large metro area.  Things are much different when you get away from the larger cities and you make it sound like it is not the case.

Lived it and suffered because of it.  Accept that your system is far from perfect.

Yeah I've heard you berating our system before. it's far from perfect and I've never suggested it was. However, you're insured no? How would you benefit if you were not? Hm?

I say if you live in the sticks in one country and have little access to care, its the in any other area. Silly to assume otherwise.

Hmmm.  Berating your system.  No.  Telling facts about your system.  Yes.  I am talking as someone that lived in a city of around 200,000 people.  Not the sticks.

Yes, I have insurance.  Is that a crime?  There are so many illegal immigrants without insurance, temporarily insuranceless (6 months or less), and without insurance by choice.  The actual number of people that are chronically without insurance so much less than the numbers that you hear all the time if you look at these facts.  A complete overhaul of the HC system for that number doesn't make sense.

You say you think it is far from perfect but whenever anyone makes a comment on it.....it is always laughable to you because where you live it is not a problem.

Whatever.

ETA:  Italicized areas for clarity

Heather R

Yes, I've always found that "whatever" wins an argument.

Amelias, I hope it's your parents without health insurance instead of my mother next time.

 

ameliasmom

Heather R:

Yes, I've always found that "whatever" wins an argument.

Amelias, I hope it's your parents without health insurance instead of my mother next time.

Did I say I think those without insurance should suffer....no.

Did I say that the system should stay as it is.......no.

Did I say a single payer system is not the best way to go.....yes.

I do not wish anyone to have financial or health problems because of the system.  What I do believe is the path they are going down is wrong.  My problem with what Lanie says is that she laughs off everyones problems that occurred with the Canadian system as their own.  To me that is insulting as it occurred to me and other family members.

Oh....and if I just put whatever you would have an arguement.  I put whatever because I know that you and Lanie will read that it is me and slant your interpretation because of it.

lanie26

Yes, I have insurance.  Is that a crime?

Does the point always fly right over your head? Or are you truly arguing that there are not very many uninsured or poorly insured folks in the US, nor any of those receiving information about what they can and cannot have based on their insurance policies?

 

 

BetchySprout

ameliasmom:

violetvirgo:

Nothing is perfect, but our HC system blows too and clearly there are some people that need to accept that!  

Lived through both systems.  Prefer what I have now.

And this HC system does not blow.  It needs work but I have a  feeling that they are changing the wrong things.

 

Glad you have a good plan now. Not everyone is so fortunate. I have had insurance in the US that blows and some that is great (currently: great...lucky me for having my current employer).

BetchySprout

ameliasmom:

lanie26:

ameliasmom:

lanie26:

Bahahaha. That's hilarious. Dude, my midwives called for an urgent ultrasound and I was on the examining table at the hospital, across town 1 hour later.

I doubt an "urgent" ultrasound would be randomly scheduled by the patient.

She can go to any hospital and get it done right there. I love the assumption.

Lanie, I am so sick of you saying it is perfect.  It isn't.  I think the response here was stupid, yes.  But the way you respond, I have a feeling that you live in a large metro area.  Things are much different when you get away from the larger cities and you make it sound like it is not the case.

Lived it and suffered because of it.  Accept that your system is far from perfect.

Yeah I've heard you berating our system before. it's far from perfect and I've never suggested it was. However, you're insured no? How would you benefit if you were not? Hm?

I say if you live in the sticks in one country and have little access to care, its the in any other area. Silly to assume otherwise.

Hmmm.  Berating your system.  No.  Telling facts about your system.  Yes.  I am talking as someone that lived in a city of around 200,000 people.  Not the sticks.

Yes, I have insurance.  Is that a crime?  There are so many illegal immigrants without insurance, temporarily insuranceless (6 months or less), and without insurance by choice.  The actual number of people that are chronically without insurance so much less than the numbers that you hear all the time if you look at these facts.  A complete overhaul of the HC system for that number doesn't make sense.

You say you think it is far from perfect but whenever anyone makes a comment on it.....it is always laughable to you because where you live it is not a problem.

Whatever.

ETA:  Italicized areas for clarity

 

Seriously...the number of CHRONICALLY UNINSURED is less than the number of CHRONICALLY UNDERINSURED. There are a lot of Americans who pay their insurance premiums every single month and it still does them NO GOOD.

MrsTotty

lanie26:

ameliasmom:

violetvirgo:

Nothing is perfect, but our HC system blows too and clearly there are some people that need to accept that!  

Lived through both systems.  Prefer what I have now.

And this HC system does not blow.  It needs work but I have a  feeling that they are changing the wrong things.

You prefer what you have now with insurance.

word.

Heather R

ameliasmom:

Did I say that the system should stay as it is.......no.

Did I say a single payer system is not the best way to go.....yes.

I do not wish anyone to have financial or health problems because of the system. 

"The actual number of people that are chronically without insurance so much less than the numbers that you hear all the time if you look at these facts.  A complete overhaul of the HC system for that number doesn't make sense."

Actually, you implied 2 and did NOT say 3 in this quote from above. 

Judah'sMommy

ameliasmom:

Yes, I have insurance.  Is that a crime?  There are so many illegal immigrants without insurance, temporarily insuranceless (6 months or less), and without insurance by choice.  The actual number of people that are chronically without insurance so much less than the numbers that you hear all the time if you look at these facts.  A complete overhaul of the HC system for that number doesn't make sense.

It hurts my brain that you believe this.

You'd better pray that you don't have a serious illness or accident during that six months you are without insurance.  And have you stopped to consider the underinsured?  We had insurance and still owe $29,000 in medical bills for Judah's birth and subsequent hospitalization. 

This really boggles my mind.

ameliasmom

lanie26:

Yes, I have insurance.  Is that a crime?

Does the point always fly right over your head? Or are you truly arguing that there are not very many uninsured or poorly insured folks in the US, nor any of those receiving information about what they can and cannot have based on their insurance policies?

Ah...no.  Never said that.

I am saying that the numbers that are thrown around are high in order to call for more drastic measures than are necessary.  The overhaul I think will be more detrimental in the long run and if it is based on the numbers that are being thrown around that people are basing their decisions, those decisions may be wrong.

And my comment about is having insurance being a crime is because that was brought up to me.  It is as though I can't have an opinion because I have insurance.

BetchySprout

ameliasmom:

lanie26:

Yes, I have insurance.  Is that a crime?

Does the point always fly right over your head? Or are you truly arguing that there are not very many uninsured or poorly insured folks in the US, nor any of those receiving information about what they can and cannot have based on their insurance policies?

Ah...no.  Never said that.

I am saying that the numbers that are thrown around are high in order to call for more drastic measures than are necessary.  The overhaul I think will be more detrimental in the long run and if it is based on the numbers that are being thrown around that people are basing their decisions, those decisions may be wrong.

And my comment about is having insurance being a crime is because that was brought up to me.  It is as though I can't have an opinion because I have insurance.

 

You are allowed an opinion, but you don't seem to get that the uninsured aren't only illegals. Lets hope you don't have to go to work at Walmart (like a few of my friends) if you lose or your DH loses his job, and their insurance is so expensive (and SHIITTYY) that you have to choose between insurance and food on the table because you make juuust a bit too much to qualify for government aid.

MrsTotty

ameliasmom:

I am saying that the numbers that are thrown around are high in order to call for more drastic measures than are necessary.  The overhaul I think will be more detrimental in the long run and if it is based on the numbers that are being thrown around that people are basing their decisions, those decisions may be wrong.

So, you think that people in Washington who preeeeeetty much do research for a living, don't know what they're talking about when they quote the number of PEOPLE in the US w/o health insurance ... and this is your reason for not wanting others to be able to get insurance when they need it?

I have never heard anything so sad and so self-absorbed in my life. 

 

ameliasmom

I don't like government insurance.  I think insurance needs to be made more affordable but through regulation.....not the government getting into the game.  There are numbers out there that are lower for actual chronically uninsured and those are the numbers we have to worry about.  Try looking it up, you might be suprised....and please do a little digging because it is actually pretty easy to find.

All of you are trying to make it sound as though I don't want people to have health coverage.  It is actually quite the opposite.  I have said multiple times (at least once in this post) that the system needs work but I think the path they are taking is wrong.  Because that is against the current administration I will always be attacked on this board.  I don't like the Canadian system for this reason.

lanie26

And for the record, there are a number of awful things happening in our healthcare. Awful. We need to clean things up, especially asp eople push for  private healthcare options, things are really truly turning sour. And I'd never "laugh" at anyone's healthcare issue.

But I will say this, there are approximately 30 million people in Canada. There are the same number of underinsured/uninsured in the US. Your issues with the healthcare system may be attributed to a doctor or a particular practice/area of specialty in YOUR area. But you cannot sweep the entire system into one dustpan because you had a bad experience. Overall, no one loses their home because they can't afford cancer treatment. NO one has to pay 30k for a c section, insurance agencies (nor the government) dictate what you can and cannot receive for healthcare.

Your "insurance" here covers every single thing available in any province, and any city at any time. I'm sorry for your bad experience but the fact that you like your situation better in Canada has nothing to do with a failure of healthcare provision in CANADA on our part.

ameliasmom

lanie26:

And for the record, there are a number of awful things happening in our healthcare. Awful. We need to clean things up, especially asp eople push for  private healthcare options, things are really truly turning sour. And I'd never "laugh" at anyone's healthcare issue.

But I will say this, there are approximately 30 million people in Canada. There are the same number of underinsured/uninsured in the US. Your issues with the healthcare system may be attributed to a doctor or a particular practice/area of specialty in YOUR area. But you cannot sweep the entire system into one dustpan because you had a bad experience. Overall, no one loses their home because they can't afford cancer treatment. NO one has to pay 30k for a c section, insurance agencies (nor the government) dictate what you can and cannot receive for healthcare.

Your "insurance" here covers every single thing available in any province, and any city at any time. I'm sorry for your bad experience but the fact that you like your situation better in Canada has nothing to do with a failure of healthcare provision in CANADA on our part.

Although I do disagree with a couple of points you made I appreciate the way it was put.  Neither system is great and we will disagree on what we like.

I am going to sign off, go home and hug my daughter and be thankful for what I have.  I do realize that I am lucky.