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Michelle Duggar pregnant with number 19
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Re: Michelle Duggar pregnant with number 19
*sigh* It's not just my personal beliefs, there are facts behind the things that I said. But again, 10 minutes of googling will not give you very good insight.
I don't really know why I let myself get sucked into this anyway. I know I'm not the only person who feels this way. I'm just the only one who is being overly emotional about it today.
Evelyn (3.24.10), Graham (5.30.13) & Miles (8.28.16)
Personally, I dont believe in organized religion because it seems very hypocritical. That being said, I try to judge a person based on the person and their character. What does it matter what affiliation they have...unless of course its hate crime oriented.
Im sure if these were really awful people TLC wouldnt be so gung ho about them.
I'm not going to defend myself to you. It is not an "isolated" incident, the things I talked about are the basic philosophy of the movement. If you're fine with anti-feminism, female submission and a "take over the world" mentality (among other things), than cool.
Also, I didn't repeatedly refer to it as "scary" That was another poster. I said it was "weird".
I'm done discussing this.
Evelyn (3.24.10), Graham (5.30.13) & Miles (8.28.16)
She asked why she was reproducing because the woman said she was worried about over population and that the Duggar's were irresponsible for reproducing. If that's true that each and every one of us is irresponsible for doing the same.
"My response from one of the two posts below:
They disgust and anger me. Imagine if every one of their 19 children then went on to have 19 children. That's 361 children in two generations. We are overpopulated and under resourced; the whole "God wants us to have a big family" thing is ridiculous at this point. Their belief system is wildly irresponsible for the planet, even if they are responsible for their own children. "
If she has such a problem with our planet being over populated why is she adding to the problem?
Look you obviously don't like my way of thinking and that is fine but is there anything else you would like to nitpick? go ahead
Wow this board is on fire!
**grabs some popcorn**
This. 100%.
THIS times a million. Unless you own a plantation and need farm hands, having that large of a family is unnecessary and selfish. What the hell makes their genes so special that we need hundreds of their offspring, and offspring's offspring populating our planet? Did I wake up in the civil war this morning?
I'm confused. People used to have large families long ago. In our modern society two has become somewhat the norm....so how did "it start with" having two....?
I just want to apologize if I seem to be overly emotional about this subject (Because, well, I am). I agree that everyone is entitled to their opinions, and I hope I haven't offended anyone.
Evelyn (3.24.10), Graham (5.30.13) & Miles (8.28.16)
Um, wait, WHAT?
What makes YOUR genes so special that we need YOUR offspring populating our planet? (and that's a GENERAL "your", as in, ALL of us who are having babies).
And how are they being selfish? They are providing for themselves and not asking anyone for anything. If they're selfish for that then we're all selfish for eating, clothing, bathing, sheltering our own families.
I think they meant that two people created two people (ie:you and your DH having only 2 children would be 2 having 2)
I DO NOT AGREE AT ALL. I AM JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE POSTER SAID.
LOL, thanks.
Sorry, I think having more kids is selfish because of the damage she is doing to her body. It is NOT HEALTHY for a woman to give birth that many times. She is at great risk of uterine prolapse as well as other things. What if something happens to her and all those kids are left without a mother?
Further, I am pretty sure at this point that they are doing it for shock value and publicity.
I also don't think it's fair to assign the kids to each other to take care of. Your kids didn't make the decision to birth a small village. They deserve freedom too. JMO.
Wow! I had NO IDEA my mom was from the civil war time!? Unnecessary and selfish? hmm I am sure there are people out there saying the same for people who have children instead of adopting or fostering.
Michelle Duggar's poor vag.
That's what I weep for.
Probably has to strap a plank across his aas so he doesn't fall in.
True, people had large families years and years ago, but they had legitimate reasons, and it was sometimes necessary. Large families were very popular to poor farmers for a long time because they couldn't afford to buy the modern machinery to harvest and plow their farms. They had to get the work somewhere, so what better way than child labor? This, of course, after the slaves were freed and some preferred their family farms to share cropping. Also, even up to our grandparent's and great grandparent's times the mortality rate for infants and children was incredibly high compared to today. With all of the medical and technological advances these days there is just no need to have that many children. They don't own a farm, and the chances of all of their children surviving into adulthood are a million times greater than a hundred years ago.
And having two children is not contributing to overpopulation, as those children will replace you and your partner upon your deaths.
We are having only one, for exactly the reason that we do not want to contribute to overpopulation. (2 --> 1 = no population growth attributable to us).
Your family planning is centred solely around not wanting to contribute to overpopulation?
I hadn't considered that in my planning. Hum.
ditto
Obviously our genes already populate this planet, but not in the form of almost 20 offspring. MOST people on this board will agree that they plan to only have 2-3 children, because that makes sense today. It's just realistic and practical.
Can you guys honestly see past the original family, the 19 children, to how many children they will have and so on? That's where the selfishness comes into play. Who said anything about asking anyone for anything? I know I didn't. They are selfish in the thought that they should reproduce as long and as many times as they can. Like it's their duty to spread their genes that many times. It just doesn't make sense, today. A hundred years ago, yeah.
You are a nutjob. Who plans their family based on overpopulation??? Weirdo.
It has to start somewhere...the only way we would have more than 2 kids is if I happen to get pregnant with twins next time. It's not a decision based solely on preventing overpopulation, but it is a factor in the long run.
I know plenty of people that would LOVE to have big families but the ONLY reason they don't is because of money and nothing else. How is it selfish if they have their children and NEVER rely on the government for help with raising their children if they can afford it on their own. I don't see how wanting more children is selfish and their sole purpose is to "SPREAD THEIR GENES" maybe they just LOVE a big family?! crazy crazy thought though I guess.
That's sweet of you, thanks. I'm also the kind of person who recycles, composts, gardens and drives a fuel efficient car. The horror!
yeah, it's not selfish at all to be that short-sighted, is it?
hahahahaha your funny
I have a lot to say about this but I can't do it without oversimplifying, and frankly when I oversimplify it's easy to accidentally offend.
Come on, this is about a family being blessed with a baby. It's not about the ozone layer or carbon footprints for heaven sake! Can't you just be happy for them? While their beliefs are not your beliefs, they have the right to procreate as they choose.
CONGRATULATIONS TO THE DUGGAR FAMILY!!!
Don't worry, you didn't offend me. I am personally fascinated by the Duggars' little army of the lord. Do I think they are crazy for having so many children? Yes. Do I judge them for it? Naturally. I will admit to the guilty pleasure of tuning in to see what new craziness they are getting into. I admire their ability to raise that many children, and they all seem happy and healthy. I don't agree with submitting to my husband as a rule, but they seem content. The thing I don't agree with is the underlying notion that they are building armies of the lord. That is a little frightening. Perhaps the Duggars don't believe in that particular tenent, but it is highly likely they do. I do believe that there is a problem overall with overpopulation and the Duggars are not helping the situation, but neither are the welfare mamas who don't believe in anything, including working, so lets at least give the Duggars that.
Haha! You have no room to talk! FOUR KIDS?! How dare you try to overpopulate the planet with your genes?
The news is about a family being blessed with a baby. This discussion is about the pros and cons of a belief system that people should reproduce until they can't reproduce anymore, and its effects on the family and on the world.
I think calling Michelle Duggar selfish for using her body in an unselfish way (ie. bringing a new life into the world) is a weak and backwards argument. When it comes to childbearing, I can think of far more selfish choices that people make (like not having children at all, for vain and superficial reasons - but lets not get started on that tangent).
I do not think this is all about shock value and publicity, seen as how they already had a zillion kids when they got famous for it and got their show. They seemed to have their minds made up that they were going to let God be in control of this aspect of their lives a long time ago.
Next, what is the big deal about getting the older kids to look after the younger ones? As we all know, life requires a lot of hard work (school, cleaning up after oneself, babysitting the bratty neighbors for a few bucks an hour, working for a living, etc.) and it is not all rainbows and sunshine. So I just see the older kids caring for the younger kids as just part of what they are expected to do, and I don't see this as a bad thing. Having to do a bit of work is part being a functioning member of any family.
You didn't offend me, I agree with you.
I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks "bringing life into this world" is unselfish needs a wakeup call.
We all need to come to terms with the fact that choosing to have kids is a selfish act. Since none of us NEED to procreate, the reasons for doing so are self-centered. I know that's hard to hear but it's the truth. There is nothing wrong with it, but lets not kid ourselves that we are doing something self-less.