Ladies Dealing w/ MFI

patchen30

If your DH had a morph issue, what was his %age according to WHO and according to Kruger, if you don't mind my asking?

My DH's WHO %age was 42% in SA #1, and 30% in SA #2, but only 4% in Kruger, which they tell me is borderline.  Can you have one fluke cr*ppy SA, or is it like FSH - your worst is the #?  Overall his 2nd SA was not as good as the first.

Thanks to the ladies who replied to my post yesterday about this...I was just curious how what my RE told me (which was don't worry) compared to what other REs said.

madelyn07

We've only been given his numbers on the Kruger scale..9%, 7%, 4%...we were told that all were low, that they need to be 15% and above but obviously the 3rd SA (the 4%) was the most concerning.

He is having vericocele surgery tomorrow to hopefully improve his morph.

patchen30

madelyn07:

We've only been given his numbers on the Kruger scale..9%, 7%, 4%...we were told that all were low, that they need to be 15% and above but obviously the 3rd SA (the 4%) was the most concerning.

He is having vericocele surgery tomorrow to hopefully improve his morph.

Interesting - the RE told me that the andrologists at their lab are "really strict" and that they consider 4% or above to be normal.  Is it really that interpretive that your RE would tell you 9% was low and mine would tell me 4% was normal?  I am so confused now - I thought after DH's first SA (where they didn't do Kruger) came back fine we were not dealing with MFI.  My RE didn't even call me - I had to ask for the results - b/c he considered this normal.

sail123

My husband's morph was 6% kruger and I initially freaked out about it, even though the nurse said that the normal number was 4%. When we actually spoke to our RE, he said the number was fine. He said that the lab is really, really tough on morph and that guys over 5% are "lucky". I specifically asked about 5 times (he now thinks I'm crazy). I asked why other places say it needs to be 14% and he said it is a matter of different labs. He just kept repeating "this is a normal morph number". I really think it depends on the lab and the other numbers.

patchen30

sail123:

My husband's morph was 6% kruger and I initially freaked out about it, even though the nurse said that the normal number was 4%. When we actually spoke to our RE, he said the number was fine. He said that the lab is really, really tough on morph and that guys over 5% are "lucky". I specifically asked about 5 times (he now thinks I'm crazy). I asked why other places say it needs to be 14% and he said it is a matter of different labs. He just kept repeating "this is a normal morph number". I really think it depends on the lab and the other numbers.

Thanks.  I was not talking to my normal RE but his fill-in, so I can't wait to discuss with him next Mon.  I am not going to stress about it in the meantime though.

Mrs.HisOnly

My DH's morph was 3% on Kruger. It's the only test they used. My RE didn't seem too concerned since his count and motility were so good.

 

madelyn07

patchen30:

madelyn07:

We've only been given his numbers on the Kruger scale..9%, 7%, 4%...we were told that all were low, that they need to be 15% and above but obviously the 3rd SA (the 4%) was the most concerning.

He is having vericocele surgery tomorrow to hopefully improve his morph.

Interesting - the RE told me that the andrologists at their lab are "really strict" and that they consider 4% or above to be normal.  Is it really that interpretive that your RE would tell you 9% was low and mine would tell me 4% was normal?  I am so confused now - I thought after DH's first SA (where they didn't do Kruger) came back fine we were not dealing with MFI.  My RE didn't even call me - I had to ask for the results - b/c he considered this normal.

They weren't really concerned with his 9% or 7% but the 4% was cause for concerned. They thought about sending him to see the urologist, said it wasn't necessary but we could go if we wanted to so he did. She knew in a matter of minutes that it was a vericocele that was causing his low morph.

This link gives a little information.

ETA: his count and motility are still above normal but his urologist expects them to go up even higher after his surgery so we are only dealing with/concerned with morph on his end.

kimarino13

We have only done Kruger.

SA#1 = 700 million count, 30% motility, 5% morphology

SA#2 = 665 million count, 49% motility, 3% morphology

My RE said that morph can change by a couple percentage points, and MH's range is 3% - 5%.  

patchen30

madelyn07:

patchen30:

madelyn07:

We've only been given his numbers on the Kruger scale..9%, 7%, 4%...we were told that all were low, that they need to be 15% and above but obviously the 3rd SA (the 4%) was the most concerning.

He is having vericocele surgery tomorrow to hopefully improve his morph.

Interesting - the RE told me that the andrologists at their lab are "really strict" and that they consider 4% or above to be normal.  Is it really that interpretive that your RE would tell you 9% was low and mine would tell me 4% was normal?  I am so confused now - I thought after DH's first SA (where they didn't do Kruger) came back fine we were not dealing with MFI.  My RE didn't even call me - I had to ask for the results - b/c he considered this normal.

They weren't really concerned with his 9% or 7% but the 4% was cause for concerned. They thought about sending him to see the urologist, said it wasn't necessary but we could go if we wanted to so he did. She knew in a matter of minutes that it was a vericocele that was causing his low morph.

This link gives a little information.

ETA: his count and motility are still above normal but his urologist expects them to go up even higher after his surgery so we are only dealing with/concerned with morph on his end.

Thank you.  This link baffles me though - it says that morphology with WHO should be greater than 60%, yet everywhere else I've read greater than 30%??  This is so confusing!

sail123

patchen30:

sail123:

My husband's morph was 6% kruger and I initially freaked out about it, even though the nurse said that the normal number was 4%. When we actually spoke to our RE, he said the number was fine. He said that the lab is really, really tough on morph and that guys over 5% are "lucky". I specifically asked about 5 times (he now thinks I'm crazy). I asked why other places say it needs to be 14% and he said it is a matter of different labs. He just kept repeating "this is a normal morph number". I really think it depends on the lab and the other numbers.

Thanks.  I was not talking to my normal RE but his fill-in, so I can't wait to discuss with him next Mon.  I am not going to stress about it in the meantime though.

I think that is a good plan. If you don't mind, it would be great if you could let me know if your RE says something different about morph than what mine said. I also like to keep informed by comparing my RE's advice to that of other RE's.

madelyn07

patchen30:

madelyn07:

patchen30:

madelyn07:

We've only been given his numbers on the Kruger scale..9%, 7%, 4%...we were told that all were low, that they need to be 15% and above but obviously the 3rd SA (the 4%) was the most concerning.

He is having vericocele surgery tomorrow to hopefully improve his morph.

Interesting - the RE told me that the andrologists at their lab are "really strict" and that they consider 4% or above to be normal.  Is it really that interpretive that your RE would tell you 9% was low and mine would tell me 4% was normal?  I am so confused now - I thought after DH's first SA (where they didn't do Kruger) came back fine we were not dealing with MFI.  My RE didn't even call me - I had to ask for the results - b/c he considered this normal.

They weren't really concerned with his 9% or 7% but the 4% was cause for concerned. They thought about sending him to see the urologist, said it wasn't necessary but we could go if we wanted to so he did. She knew in a matter of minutes that it was a vericocele that was causing his low morph.

This link gives a little information.

ETA: his count and motility are still above normal but his urologist expects them to go up even higher after his surgery so we are only dealing with/concerned with morph on his end.

Thank you.  This link baffles me though - it says that morphology with WHO should be greater than 60%, yet everywhere else I've read greater than 30%??  This is so confusing!

Yeah..who knows how reliable that is though, I honestly know nothing about the WHO scale so I just googled it. I do know, however, that my RE only considers morph to be normal if it is above 15% (for Kruger)..and my husband has a long way to go to get there...

GL!

patchen30

sail123:

patchen30:

sail123:

My husband's morph was 6% kruger and I initially freaked out about it, even though the nurse said that the normal number was 4%. When we actually spoke to our RE, he said the number was fine. He said that the lab is really, really tough on morph and that guys over 5% are "lucky". I specifically asked about 5 times (he now thinks I'm crazy). I asked why other places say it needs to be 14% and he said it is a matter of different labs. He just kept repeating "this is a normal morph number". I really think it depends on the lab and the other numbers.

Thanks.  I was not talking to my normal RE but his fill-in, so I can't wait to discuss with him next Mon.  I am not going to stress about it in the meantime though.

I think that is a good plan. If you don't mind, it would be great if you could let me know if your RE says something different about morph than what mine said. I also like to keep informed by comparing my RE's advice to that of other RE's.

I will let you know.  It just seems ridiculous that there is so much discrepancy in the interpretation.

patchen30

madelyn07:

patchen30:

madelyn07:

patchen30:

madelyn07:

We've only been given his numbers on the Kruger scale..9%, 7%, 4%...we were told that all were low, that they need to be 15% and above but obviously the 3rd SA (the 4%) was the most concerning.

He is having vericocele surgery tomorrow to hopefully improve his morph.

Interesting - the RE told me that the andrologists at their lab are "really strict" and that they consider 4% or above to be normal.  Is it really that interpretive that your RE would tell you 9% was low and mine would tell me 4% was normal?  I am so confused now - I thought after DH's first SA (where they didn't do Kruger) came back fine we were not dealing with MFI.  My RE didn't even call me - I had to ask for the results - b/c he considered this normal.

They weren't really concerned with his 9% or 7% but the 4% was cause for concerned. They thought about sending him to see the urologist, said it wasn't necessary but we could go if we wanted to so he did. She knew in a matter of minutes that it was a vericocele that was causing his low morph.

This link gives a little information.

ETA: his count and motility are still above normal but his urologist expects them to go up even higher after his surgery so we are only dealing with/concerned with morph on his end.

Thank you.  This link baffles me though - it says that morphology with WHO should be greater than 60%, yet everywhere else I've read greater than 30%??  This is so confusing!

Yeah..who knows how reliable that is though, I honestly know nothing about the WHO scale so I just googled it. I do know, however, that my RE only considers morph to be normal if it is above 15% (for Kruger)..and my husband has a long way to go to get there...

GL!

It seems like it is all very lab-specific...on the sheet the RE gave me it actually specifically says 4% or greater is normal.  Ok cannot WAIT to talk to the RE about this now - so confused.

Quizzle

Our morph was at 1% on both SAs.

 

#1 had 17 million/ml, 1% motility, 1% morph

#2 had 36 million/ml, 28% motility, 1% morph.

 

Yeah, our numbers suck... We only did Kruger scale. 

rsrn02

numbers can change with each SA as evidence by my DH

first SA count and motility low and morph good

seconde count and motility high and morph borderline 30% WHO guidelines. my RE said he was not concerned because he had borderline morph and his count and motility were so good.

so i guess it depends on RE it seems.

we are on to IUI..  ^^^points to ticker ^^^

Ambertiger

Ours told us that my husband's is 4% morph, i believe, but it needs to be around 30%, but NOBODY hardly ever gets that high.

patchen30

Ambertiger:

Ours told us that my husband's is 4% morph, i believe, but it needs to be around 30%, but NOBODY hardly ever gets that high.

I think 30% or more is preferable on the WHO scale.  Did your DH have 4% on the Kruger scale or the WHO scale?