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Do you support Gay Marriage? (clicky poll!)
Yes or no. There is no 'but..but...'.
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Re: Do you support Gay Marriage? (clicky poll!)
haha! It adds variety to my day=P
I really wish that someone who voted no would explain their reasoning. I don't want to attack them, I just honestly want to see the other side because I don't understand it. All I've seen is the religious arguement and I know there must be more to it than that.
me too! I promise I won't flame at all.
Me three!
me, too. I can't fathom it. I remember being anti-gay marriage in high school, but only because that's what I was "supposed" to believe there (christian school). I then grew a mind of my own and realized it was ridiculous.
And honestly, I don't care what you believe religiously, if you believe it's a sin or something, but what I really don't get is why you feel your religion should dictate what everyone else does. Not everyone believes what you believe, you know.
I voted yes. People should be allowed to be happy and it doesn't harm anyone else.
Ryan 5/2010, Kyle 1/2007, Eric 3/2005
Ok, maybe some people will flame you. I understand why when you are in the minority you don't want to put yourself out there and speak up. But if you don't support gay marriage I would still really love to hear the reasons why. We are all entitled to our beliefs and I think it would help me to not feel so upset about this if I understood the other side.
20% answered "no" when I just looked. One of you must be willing to address why!
Because if we allow a man to marry another man, what's the next step? His dog? His fish? His car?
I kid, I kid
I've been wondering recently if the SC will take up this issue, because so far, I think they haven't addressed it. I know that I read an article that there is a case going through the federal courts on prop 8 since the CA SC ruled in favor of prop 8. I know the SC's typical MO is to just deny cert if they don't want to address an issue.
Anyway, my point is, if it does get to the SC what will happen? It just seems to me, as a lowly law school graduate who is no constitutional law expert, that there is very little legal basis to deny gay marriage beyond the crappy tradition argument that I'm sure Scalia will support.
Have there been any challenges to DOMA? I should really research this because I find the legal argument (or lack thereof) fascinating.
I support gay marriage. I suppose I'm what you'd call a "cafeteria Catholic". I went to this site to find information on annulment once. I found an article explaining the Church's position.
"Since the Church sees marriage as holy, it believes it must be treated with reverence. It also recognizes that marriage is basic to the health of society and therefore a public institution that must be defended against harm.
Marriage is a public institution. Consequently, proposals that could harm the institution of marriage must be subjected to the same sort of objective analysis that we give any public policy question. Marriage is not just a private matter of emotion between two people. On the contrary, its success or failure has measurable impact on all of society. Rational analysis yields solid, objective reasons for limiting marriage to one man and one woman-reasons anyone can agree with on purely secular grounds."
This is what I've always wondered. Are there really people who believe so completely in their religion that they think everyone else is wrong? When I took a theology class in college we talked about the church's history and how the Catholic church used to teach that anyone who wasn't Catholic was going to hell. But that teaching changed years and years ago. When I took the course we talked about how there were many paths to God. I guess I just don't understand how someone can just know that their way is the only way.
Charlotte Ella 07.16.10
Emmeline Grace 03.27.13
I'm against it.
Because if men marry men, and women women, then who do I teach to be "stable, secure, strong, confident, happy, submissive, and full of life" and who do I "patiently steer to be tough in order to be able to face the trials of life"?? It's so confusing.
No Greater Joy, you know.
Um, yes.
The only think I can think of is the power of the old people vote. I don't know about where you live, but when I go to vote I am standing in line with every white haired man and woman in my neighborhood.
I posted a link further down the page that had an article about this. the first half is a little unnecessary but he does address why something like this happens in society.
I think it's because people get all hung up on the word "marriage" which is, in my opinion, idiotic. But I hear so many people saying, "oh I'd be okay with civil unions but not marriage." It's totally stupid and screwed up, but I really think that is how people justify this discrimination. Marriage should be between a man and a woman, but something "separate but equal" is okay. Not in my opinion, but that's why I think the ballot initiatives (which typically define MARRIAGE as being between man and a woman) pass. If the vote was on, should we allow civil unions and give gay couples rights, they might be more likely to pass. Oh but then it'd be abundantly clear and in your face that you're voting to give or take someone's rights away which makes me want to puke, like they are lesser citizens or something. Gag.
But people can live in denial and think they are just "protecting marriage" instead of being discriminating with the defining marriage amendments.
Throughout history, this is probably the #1 reason people kill each other. All in God's name!
Even if I did believe you were wrong (in religion or whatever) I still wouldn't try to push that on other people. Especially if it doesn't affect me. I personally don't care if homosexuals get married. It does not affect me. I want people to respect me as a Christian, therefore I believe I need to be positive and non judgemental.
But I have tried to give "the other side" of an issue on here before. Most people don't want to hear it.
I voted yes. But I know from talking to others that its either:
A. They are Catholic and the Bible says no to homosexuality.
or
B. They are ok with civil unions, but "marriage" is to take place between a man and a woman only.
Both are based on religion, which if there is supposed to be separation of church and state, how is religion being brought into it?
GHM - I've always felt the best solution is to make the civil portion of marriage completely separate from religion. Right now, a religious ceremony and marriage certificate can equate marriage in the US. However, I think the requirement should entail a civil ceremony, like they do in Europe and then a religious one if you so choose (but the religious ceremony cannot be instead of a civil one to get government benefits). Or a bigger non-religious ceremony if that's what you want. But that everyone should have to go and have a civil ceremony at city hall. Then the religious aspect is separate from the civil aspect.
And I think we should still call it marriage. Plenty of non-religious people get married. I don't think religious folks own the word.
I would buy this argument better if there weren't already so many ways in which heterosexual couples "harm" the institution of marriage. Doesn't no fault divorce harm it?
Not everyone considers marriage a sacrament and therefore something to be taken as seriously as the Catholic Church. Given that fact, and the fact that no one would get any traction on outlawing divorce their argument is hollow to me. I really don't believe gay marriage would harm the institution any more than it is already "harmed" (in the eyes of Christian churches) by non religious marriage.
That sounds like what he was getting at. Sorry if I didn't make much sense. Take what mush I had for a brain after 2 kids, and quadruple it--that's what I have now.