about the woman w/octuplets...

amygdala

So, I've been thinking about it & here's my theory:

I bet that she was being seen by a reputable doctor who was monitoring her properly while undergoing treatment?using fertility meds. ?She probably did injectibles, overstimulated, & ended up w/a crapload of follicles. ?Her doctor, being sane, advised her to cancel the cycle. ?The problem is that, in this situation, there is no way to enforce cancellation of the cycle. ?The doctor cannot control whether she has sex or not. ?So she went ahead, against medical advice, & had sex, got pg, & ended up w/8.

As a side note, I'd be willing to bet money that this is also exactly how Kate Gosselin ended up w/her 6. ?She's never admitted to it, but she did allude to it by saying that she was "impatient" in trying to get pg the 2nd time around. ?

As for the woman's 6 other kids, who knows what's going on there. ?Maybe some aren't actually hers (temporarily raising a sibling's kids or something), &/or are from a previous relationship & she just wanted one child w/her current husband. ?I have no idea. ?Probably she's just crazy.

It all makes me really mad b/c, like many of you have already pointed out, people making crazy, irresponsible decisions gives ART a really bad reputation. ?I did IVF, & I SO do not appreciate being lumped in w/this kind of wrecklessness, which is what people do. ?I understand that most people don't understand how ART works (after all, why would someone if they've never done it?), but I hate that stuff like this is all people hear about. ?Another miseducation of the public by the sensationalistic media...grrr! ?OK, off my soapbox for now! ?Thanks for letting me get this off my chest!

KimberlyAGD

That's a good theory.  I would hope a doctor would not ethically implant enough embryos to result in 8 babies (even taking splitting into account).  I do still think this woman may be a bit cooky--who does fertility treatments when you have 6 little ones at home???  I am curious to see how this all comes out, and you know it ultimately will.

kyluvsaj

The news this morning said it is confirmed she did do IVF.  Did this change?

pea-kay

kyluvsaj:

The news this morning said it is confirmed she did do IVF.  Did this change?

Well, it was the grandma who said this, and it's thought that she just used "IVF" as a catch-all term for fertility treatments. 

Mrs. Destructo

amygdala:

 She probably did injectibles, overstimulated, & ended up w/a crapload of follicles.  Her doctor, being sane, advised her to cancel the cycle.  The problem is that, in this situation, there is no way to enforce cancellation of the cycle.  The doctor cannot control whether she has sex or not.  So she went ahead, against medical advice, & had sex, got pg, & ended up w/8.

During my first injection cycle I overstimmulated and ended up with over 50 follies on each side. My RE canceled my trigger and IUI that cycle, but gave us the go-ahead to try to conceive via intercourse. He said that without a trigger only 1 (possibly 2) follies would select out, mature and release an egg. We didn't concieve that cycle, but I did end up with 1 monster holdover cyst, which indicated that my RE was right - only 1 follie matured and released an egg. 

So if I understand correctly, she would have had to trigger in order to release all those eggs if she did overstim on OI drugs. Which means a doctor would have written out a prescription for it.  So how would she have triggered if she overstimmed? Do some doctors write out the script for the trigger well before it's time to use it? My RE wrote out the scrip the day before I triggered, so I never would have had it at home to tempt me when I was overstimmed.

I can't wrap my head around this one. It just doesn't add up.

amygdala

Mrs. Destructo:

During my first injection cycle I overstimmulated and ended up with over 50 follies on each side. My RE canceled my trigger and IUI that cycle, but gave us the go-ahead to try to conceive via intercourse. He said that without a trigger only 1 (possibly 2) follies would select out, mature and release an egg.?

Interesting...I didn't know that! ?Now I'm baffled once again! ?Maybe it depends on how far into the cycle it's canceled? ?Maybe if the follicles were far enough along, more would release on their own? ?I don't know...just throwing that out there!?

TazDev

I just heard on the news that the embryos were implanted. According to the news there has also been no mention of a father for the octuplets!

Partyof6?

I used to have extra triggers in my fridge!  When my RE ordered the drugs for my first rounds of treatments, it was the same price for my insurance to order 3 instead of one.  I just saved if for my next IUIs.  Also, when my injectibles came, the trigger was always included. 

She could have triggered herself without the doctor.   

anglbab72

hello to add to this story they said on the news the lady is 33yrs old and that the lady was married for 3yrs and is now divorced none of this story adds up and to add about jon and kate she did iui she did it with her first children that resulted in twins and she said why not try again hopefully for one instead 3 of her eggs split with the iui to give her the 6 kids. She says all of this on her show at the beginning and in one of her episodes i watched last week.

jlc071903

My RE confirmed to me when I was undergoing treatments that J&K+8 was a result of a cancelled cycle. I too had a cancelled IUI cycle, I had 16 eggs, 8-9 which would have released had I triggered, and since we couldn't afford IVF, they had to cancel my cycle. I was told NO sex unless we used a condom, etc. Shockingly enough NONE of those eggs ever released adn I had to rely on provera to bring on AF , but the potential for HOM was there and NOT something DH and I were or are ever interested in having...in fact my next cycle they deliberately did Low and Slow and were hesitant to do b/c I only had 1 egg that was mature for my IUI...NOT true..b/c I have fraternal twins.

The whole thing just upsets me b/c of how it makes IVF/ART look...I too bet that she had a cnacelled cycle...but seriously she already had 6 children...another is craziness, esp. since she's living with her parents and supposidly already has a set of twins.

tmp-303869625008161

Found this on perezhilton:

When you need some juice?..go to the nosey neighbors!

Some savvy reporting unearthed more crazy stuff about the momma who gave birth to octuplets earlier in the week.

A neighbor revealed that the momma's six kiddies AND the 8 new babies were made with sperm from one donor:

"She is single. She used a sperm donor, someone she knew, who donated sperm a long time ago. He donated the sperm for the first six kids and she used his frozen sperm for these one. I don't think the sperm donor knows about these eight kids. He was not involved."

This woman is insane!!!!!!!

The blabber, who asked to remain anonymous, went on to say:

"From what I heard she likes kids, she wants a jillion kids. She even lied to the doctors who impregnated her?. We should find out who the doctor is and where the money came from because this is irresponsible. The girl seemed a little off - and I don't want to be paying for her kids.""

And, there seems to be some confusion about the woman's age and her status.

The latest now is that she is indeed single (aged 33) and it is her father that is going to Iraq, to support the huge family.

According to the neighbor, the parents are very supportive of their daughter and even lost their own home in an effort to support her. "The parents lost their house supporting their daughter," the neighbor went on. "They actually bought this house for her, but then they lost their house supporting her and her kids and they had to move in with her. And now her father has to go back to Iraq to earn more money to support her. Her father either works as a truck driver or an interpreter [in Iraq]."

As to whether the mother herself works, the neighbor says: "She's a professional student and I want to know where the money's coming from to do this. Maybe she's using her student loans to do it."

This is some crazy, crazy stuff, if it's indeed true.

Is this why the family has stayed out of the spotlight?

twinmama2b

Just wanted to comment about the j&k comment about the eggs splitting...that is impossible because that would make 3 of them have an identical which they are not plus if 3 eggs split, it would not result in 3 boys and 3 girls. I did watch an episode where she did say she had an iui with fertility drugs.

Tammy06

About the extra triggers: My insurance too gives a three month supply at once, I still have two extra months of triggers lol. I will NOT be using before the exp date of this coming Oct. She could have had the same, or a doc who wrote the Rxs early.

About Jon and Kate plus 8: From the shows I have seen and the first episode and maybe random specials I may have seen, I think I remember they went and had a ultrasound and they were told they had 3 matured eggs, and somewhere between that ultrasound and ovulation, unknown if they triggered, she matured and released 3 or 4 more, or they were missed. So they had no idea that would happen. I remember she was also treat for hyper stimulation and she said they had happened with their cycle of their twins. She may have been sensitive to the meds or took more than needed.

The octs: This story is nuts, I have no idea what happened but it is way to weird for all these storys out. I wish they would have the Mom report sometime soon to set it straight, bc she is a married/divorced/single Mom to 6 kids, and her husband/dad is in Iraq and she lives alone/with her parents/ and has a nanny and conceived naturally/IVF/IUI/IF treatments. Whatever the story she will need some prayers!

groovygrl

Ditto the others about getting triggers ahead of time- for IVF, all my meds came together at the get go, including the Ovidrel trigger shot. Most sane people would not actually use it if their dr said not to b/c of the risk of HOM tho, although I would wonder how many try to go for it anyway...

There are also (of course) rumors flying that this woman is hoping for some J&K type fame & TV shows. Sad. 

Brongemonger

Having tons of kids just for fame, what a great idea! No thanks! Don't you know you still have to take care of your kids even if you're being paid???

Mrs. Destructo

About the triggers: That is really interesting! My RE only prescribed 1 weeks worth of stims (I did long/slow protocol both times), and he only prescribed the trigger the day before I needed it. His office was next door to a compounding pharmacy that had great prices, so he never used a mail-order pharmacy. Now that I think about it, he probably prescribed the trigger as you needed it on purpose, so the desperate couples wouldn't be tempted to trigger when they overstimmed.

baby X 2!

Nobody has any right to judge her. While the situation may not fit into society standards of "whats right" she didn't break the law in any way and so many people are so quick to pick her apart. Anyone who has had IVF could be looked at in this way, maybe not to the extent of 8, but like i said, she didn't break any laws. And those of you saying you're bummed that it's giving IVF a bad name... well the same could be said about IVF from those that have conceived naturally.

I'm sure this will stir some sort of "drama" and that honestly isn't my intention. I can understand the conversation regarding "how" it all happened, but it's just so tacky and lame to dwell on the details of her life.