October 2022 Moms

Weekly Check-In 6/20

๐—˜๐——๐—— / ๐—ช๐—ฒ๐—ฒ๐—ธ๐˜€ + ๐——๐—ฎ๐˜†๐˜€:ย 

๐—•๐—ฎ๐—ฏ๐˜† ๐—ถ๐˜€ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ ๐˜€๐—ถ๐˜‡๐—ฒ ๐—ผ๐—ณ ๐—ฎ(๐—ป) / ๐—ถ๐—ป๐˜๐—ฒ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด ๐—ณ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐˜:

๐—™๐—ง๐— /๐—ฆ๐—ง๐— /๐—ง๐—ง๐— +/๐—ถ๐˜'๐˜€ ๐—ฐ๐—ผ๐—บ๐—ฝ๐—น๐—ถ๐—ฐ๐—ฎ๐˜๐—ฒ๐—ฑ:ย 

๐—ง๐—ฒ๐—ฎ๐—บ ๐—™๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฑ๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด ๐—ข๐˜‚๐˜/๐—•๐—น๐˜‚๐—ฒ/๐—ฃ๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ธ/๐—š๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐—ฒ๐—ป:ย 

Baby's Name (if chosen/sharing):

๐—จ๐—ฝ๐—ฐ๐—ผ๐—บ๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด ๐—”๐—ฝ๐—ฝ๐—ผ๐—ถ๐—ป๐˜๐—บ๐—ฒ๐—ป๐˜๐˜€:ย 

๐—›๐—ผ๐˜„ ๐—ฎ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ ๐˜†๐—ผ๐˜‚ ๐—ณ๐—ฒ๐—ฒ๐—น๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด?:

๐—ฅants/Raves:ย 

๐—ค๐˜‚๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜๐—ถ๐—ผ๐—ป๐˜€:

GTKY: STM+, any highlights from Fatherโ€™s Day weekend? FTMs, did you do anything for the dads-to-be?

Re: Weekly Check-In 6/20

  • ๐—˜๐——๐—— / ๐—ช๐—ฒ๐—ฒ๐—ธ๐˜€ + ๐——๐—ฎ๐˜†๐˜€: Oct 16 - 23w2d

    ๐—•๐—ฎ๐—ฏ๐˜† ๐—ถ๐˜€ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ ๐˜€๐—ถ๐˜‡๐—ฒ ๐—ผ๐—ณ ๐—ฎ(๐—ป) / ๐—ถ๐—ป๐˜๐—ฒ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด ๐—ณ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐˜: grapefruit

    ๐—™๐—ง๐— /๐—ฆ๐—ง๐— /๐—ง๐—ง๐— +/๐—ถ๐˜'๐˜€ ๐—ฐ๐—ผ๐—บ๐—ฝ๐—น๐—ถ๐—ฐ๐—ฎ๐˜๐—ฒ๐—ฑ: STM

    ๐—ง๐—ฒ๐—ฎ๐—บ ๐—™๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฑ๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด ๐—ข๐˜‚๐˜/๐—•๐—น๐˜‚๐—ฒ/๐—ฃ๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ธ/๐—š๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐—ฒ๐—ป: blue!ย 

    Baby's Name (if chosen/sharing):ย 
    I think we're almost 100% set on Finn

    ๐—จ๐—ฝ๐—ฐ๐—ผ๐—บ๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด ๐—”๐—ฝ๐—ฝ๐—ผ๐—ถ๐—ป๐˜๐—บ๐—ฒ๐—ป๐˜๐˜€: Had one yesterday that lasted a whopping 3 minutes. At least that means everything is good!ย 

    ๐—›๐—ผ๐˜„ ๐—ฎ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ ๐˜†๐—ผ๐˜‚ ๐—ณ๐—ฒ๐—ฒ๐—น๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด?: Honestly, great! Except for being huge in the summer

    ๐—ฅants/Raves: My 1st (18m) is getting his first haircut today and Iโ€™m excited but sad. It needs to get done but imย gonna miss all his curls ๐Ÿฅบ

    ๐—ค๐˜‚๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜๐—ถ๐—ผ๐—ป๐˜€:

    GTKY: STM+, any highlights from Fatherโ€™s Day weekend? FTMs, did you do anything for the dads-to-be? Weโ€™re really low-key. I got him a big bag of chocolate covered gummy bears, which is his favorite. Also got him a card and he got to pick whatever takeout he wanted for dinner, which ended up being Taco Bell, which I was so excited about.
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  • ๐—˜๐——๐—— / ๐—ช๐—ฒ๐—ฒ๐—ธ๐˜€ + ๐——๐—ฎ๐˜†๐˜€: October 13th / 23w5d

    ๐—•๐—ฎ๐—ฏ๐˜† ๐—ถ๐˜€ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ ๐˜€๐—ถ๐˜‡๐—ฒ ๐—ผ๐—ณ ๐—ฎ(๐—ป) / ๐—ถ๐—ป๐˜๐—ฒ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด ๐—ณ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐˜: Grapefruit? I feel like the fruits repeat...

    ๐—™๐—ง๐— /๐—ฆ๐—ง๐— /๐—ง๐—ง๐— +/๐—ถ๐˜'๐˜€ ๐—ฐ๐—ผ๐—บ๐—ฝ๐—น๐—ถ๐—ฐ๐—ฎ๐˜๐—ฒ๐—ฑ: FTM

    ๐—ง๐—ฒ๐—ฎ๐—บ ๐—™๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฑ๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด ๐—ข๐˜‚๐˜/๐—•๐—น๐˜‚๐—ฒ/๐—ฃ๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ธ/๐—š๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐—ฒ๐—ป: Green

    Baby's Name (if chosen/sharing):

    ๐—จ๐—ฝ๐—ฐ๐—ผ๐—บ๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด ๐—”๐—ฝ๐—ฝ๐—ผ๐—ถ๐—ป๐˜๐—บ๐—ฒ๐—ป๐˜๐˜€: July 14th Routine OB & Glucose test

    ๐—›๐—ผ๐˜„ ๐—ฎ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ ๐˜†๐—ผ๐˜‚ ๐—ณ๐—ฒ๐—ฒ๐—น๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด?: Pretty good, although I've started to get fatigue again this week and feeling the extra weight on my hips/back.ย  Taking it easy and seeing the chiropractor a little more often.ย  Also my boobs are SO sore.

    ๐—ฅants/Raves: Rant - work is driving me nuts, it's been so busy and stressful and I'm sleepy and checked out.ย  I have been doing my best to motivate myself and focus.ย  Usually I am pretty good with this, but pregnancy has changed the game for me.

    ๐—ค๐˜‚๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜๐—ถ๐—ผ๐—ป๐˜€: I will go on the product spotlight threads for more specifics, I need to finish my registry and order my pump and I'm still a little overwhelmed! Thanks in advance mamas :)

    GTKY: STM+, any highlights from Fatherโ€™s Day weekend? FTMs, did you do anything for the dads-to-be? Well, *TW* my Father's Day ended in L&D triage getting monitored after being hit in the stomach with a (soft) football...but all is okay with me and baby and all ended well.ย  Before that it was a really nice and relaxing brunch at my in-laws who have a community pool.ย  Hopefully next year's Father's Day does not involve any hospital visits!
  • ๐—˜๐——๐—— / ๐—ช๐—ฒ๐—ฒ๐—ธ๐˜€ + ๐——๐—ฎ๐˜†๐˜€: 22+1 w/tripletsย 

    ๐—•๐—ฎ๐—ฏ๐˜† ๐—ถ๐˜€ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ ๐˜€๐—ถ๐˜‡๐—ฒ ๐—ผ๐—ณ ๐—ฎ(๐—ป) / ๐—ถ๐—ป๐˜๐—ฒ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด ๐—ณ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐˜: coconutsx3 I told this to my husband and he started singing โ€œIโ€™ve got a lovely bunch of coconuts deedle deeโ€

    ๐—™๐—ง๐— /๐—ฆ๐—ง๐— /๐—ง๐—ง๐— +/๐—ถ๐˜'๐˜€ ๐—ฐ๐—ผ๐—บ๐—ฝ๐—น๐—ถ๐—ฐ๐—ฎ๐˜๐—ฒ๐—ฑ: TTM

    ๐—ง๐—ฒ๐—ฎ๐—บ ๐—™๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฑ๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด ๐—ข๐˜‚๐˜/๐—•๐—น๐˜‚๐—ฒ/๐—ฃ๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ธ/๐—š๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐—ฒ๐—ป: Pink x 3

    Baby's Name (if chosen/sharing): Iโ€™m having such a hard time with this! Still working on it.

    ๐—จ๐—ฝ๐—ฐ๐—ผ๐—บ๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด ๐—”๐—ฝ๐—ฝ๐—ผ๐—ถ๐—ป๐˜๐—บ๐—ฒ๐—ป๐˜๐˜€: Friday MFM monitoring ultrasoundย 

    ๐—›๐—ผ๐˜„ ๐—ฎ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ ๐˜†๐—ผ๐˜‚ ๐—ณ๐—ฒ๐—ฒ๐—น๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด?: Uncomfortable. Everything is getting difficult. I overdo it easily just by bending down too much. Iโ€™m also without A/C at the moment so itโ€™s extremely unclear with the heatwave in the Midwest.

    ๐—ฅants/Raves: Rant (going along with my name answer): People have been suggesting a lot of โ€œjokeโ€ names for the triplets. It didnโ€™t bother me at all at first, but the further I get along people keep doing it. I would love actual suggestions from friends and family, but every time someone says they have a suggestion, itโ€™s a joke (their own name with others like coworkers or family friends and their siblings). Itโ€™s different people doing it so they donโ€™t always know it keeps happening so I canโ€™t get too upset. Itโ€™s just wearing.
    Rave: My husband has been amazing at taking the brunt of bed time and morning time with our 2 and 4 year old. They arenโ€™t easy right now either.

    ๐—ค๐˜‚๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜๐—ถ๐—ผ๐—ป๐˜€: none at the momentย 

    GTKY: STM+, any highlights from Fatherโ€™s Day weekend? FTMs, did you do anything for the dads-to-be? We didnโ€™t do much. My husband worked Saturday and the previous weekend so Sunday was really time to get somethings done. Iโ€™m happy daycare does crafts for Fatherโ€™s Day because my kids had gifts for him. We just havenโ€™t had time.
  • @jen_third22 I hate the joke suggestions. We ended up coming up with a list of joke names at the ready for when people would ask what we were naming whichever baby it was. Our last name is Adcock so we had a list of really inappropriate sexually explicit names that we would say. I had a blast because it got so exhausting. No one got the same name.ย 
    ย What kinds of names do you like? Do you want them to flow with your other kids names? In all honesty I love girls names and could quite literally name baby girls all day. I typically like more unconventional but still historically normally names. I don't like when people do cutesy names for multiples like when they names twins London and Paris...that kind of thing. Naming three babies at once has got to suck.ย 
  • mia80mia80 member
    ๐—˜๐——๐—— / ๐—ช๐—ฒ๐—ฒ๐—ธ๐˜€ + ๐——๐—ฎ๐˜†๐˜€: Oct 29 / 21 + 4

    ๐—•๐—ฎ๐—ฏ๐˜† ๐—ถ๐˜€ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ ๐˜€๐—ถ๐˜‡๐—ฒ ๐—ผ๐—ณ ๐—ฎ(๐—ป) / ๐—ถ๐—ป๐˜๐—ฒ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด ๐—ณ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐˜: Baby is as tall as a Starbucks Trenta cup

    ๐—™๐—ง๐— /๐—ฆ๐—ง๐— /๐—ง๐—ง๐— +/๐—ถ๐˜'๐˜€ ๐—ฐ๐—ผ๐—บ๐—ฝ๐—น๐—ถ๐—ฐ๐—ฎ๐˜๐—ฒ๐—ฑ: STM

    ๐—ง๐—ฒ๐—ฎ๐—บ ๐—™๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฑ๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด ๐—ข๐˜‚๐˜/๐—•๐—น๐˜‚๐—ฒ/๐—ฃ๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ธ/๐—š๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐—ฒ๐—ป: Found out we are team blue almost two weeks ago!ย  Was really hoping for a girl, but I have to admit I'm not sad that I'll never have to do braids or pigtails! lol

    Baby's Name (if chosen/sharing):ย  No idea. We had a girls name chosen, but nothing for a boy

    ๐—จ๐—ฝ๐—ฐ๐—ผ๐—บ๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด ๐—”๐—ฝ๐—ฝ๐—ผ๐—ถ๐—ป๐˜๐—บ๐—ฒ๐—ป๐˜๐˜€: Next Wed for regular OB appointment

    ๐—›๐—ผ๐˜„ ๐—ฎ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ ๐˜†๐—ผ๐˜‚ ๐—ณ๐—ฒ๐—ฒ๐—น๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด?: Terrible! I've been sick for over a week now and went to Emergency yesterday. Found out that I've got early stage pneumonia, so I'm on meds now so it doesn't go to full blown.ย 

    ๐—ฅants/Raves: We had our anatomy scan almost two weeks ago and found out we're having a boy. Initially I was sad, but I'm coming around now and getting more excited to be a boy mom. And everything looked good, so that was good. Also found out I have an anterior placenta this time. I'd heard that you generally feel movement earlier in subsequent pregnancies, so I'd been wondering why I hadn't felt much... was nice to know the reason now!ย  I'm still not getting much for kicks, and definitely nothing my husband could feel, but starting to feel more movement myself.ย 

    ๐—ค๐˜‚๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜๐—ถ๐—ผ๐—ป๐˜€:Nothing

    GTKY: STM+, any highlights from Fatherโ€™s Day weekend? FTMs, did you do anything for the dads-to-be?ย I was sick on the weekend, so we didn't do anything too exciting, but I did take my husband out for sushi. It's his favourite food but the two good places closer to us closed in the last year and we realized he hadn't been out for sushi since Father's Day last year, so he was pretty excited! haha
  • ๐—˜๐——๐—— / ๐—ช๐—ฒ๐—ฒ๐—ธ๐˜€ + ๐——๐—ฎ๐˜†๐˜€: October 5th, 25w

    ๐—•๐—ฎ๐—ฏ๐˜† ๐—ถ๐˜€ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ ๐˜€๐—ถ๐˜‡๐—ฒ ๐—ผ๐—ณ ๐—ฎ(๐—ป) / ๐—ถ๐—ป๐˜๐—ฒ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด ๐—ณ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐˜: Prairie Dog

    ๐—™๐—ง๐— /๐—ฆ๐—ง๐— /๐—ง๐—ง๐— +/๐—ถ๐˜'๐˜€ ๐—ฐ๐—ผ๐—บ๐—ฝ๐—น๐—ถ๐—ฐ๐—ฎ๐˜๐—ฒ๐—ฑ: STM

    ๐—ง๐—ฒ๐—ฎ๐—บ ๐—™๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฑ๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด ๐—ข๐˜‚๐˜/๐—•๐—น๐˜‚๐—ฒ/๐—ฃ๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ธ/๐—š๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐—ฒ๐—ป: Pink

    Baby's Name (if chosen/sharing): Annika May, Audrey Rose or Abigail Rose

    ๐—จ๐—ฝ๐—ฐ๐—ผ๐—บ๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด ๐—”๐—ฝ๐—ฝ๐—ผ๐—ถ๐—ป๐˜๐—บ๐—ฒ๐—ป๐˜๐˜€: Virtual w/ midwife June 29th, GCT and in-person w/midwife June 30th

    ๐—›๐—ผ๐˜„ ๐—ฎ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ ๐˜†๐—ผ๐˜‚ ๐—ณ๐—ฒ๐—ฒ๐—น๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด?: Big! Tired! Excited! I've been watching some birth videos and baby girl started moving enough that I can see it as of today. Those movements are up by my bellybutton now and not just super low, so i think she might have flipped! It's feeling much more real now and I'm getting so excited for all the newborn softness. Anxious, as my mum is having surgery tomorrow at 72. She lives on her own and sometimes isn't great at taking proper care of herself but I'm not in a position to help right now so just trying to have faith in her support network.

    ๐—ฅants/Raves: Rant: I seem to have this uncanny ability to have to pass all the garbage trucks on our hottest days. Rave: A+ in my screen studies course!

    ๐—ค๐˜‚๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜๐—ถ๐—ผ๐—ป๐˜€:ย 

    GTKY: STM+, any highlights from Fatherโ€™s Day weekend? FTMs, did you do anything for the dads-to-be? I was working so I put out some gifts for him to wake up to, but then I got out early so we were able to order in and have the evening together ๐Ÿฅฐ
  • @krysnicole1022 Giving fake names sounds hilarious. I may have to get to that point. Naming my first girl was easy. We settled on a name quickly. Naming my second girl took a little longer. Now three more girls to name just seems overwhelming. We definitely do not want matchy names. Iโ€™d like all my kids to start with different letters, but are open to repeating letters. My two girls have an E and a D name. Also I donโ€™t want too many to have the same ending. I think we just need to talk it out some more. On top of it, I agreed to go with my husbandโ€™s tradition of calling kids by their middle names like he was, so technically we need to come up with a first name and then the middle name that weโ€™ll call them. Iโ€™m kicking myself now for agreeing to this since I needed convincing for our first kid.
  • bows22bows22 member
    @jen_third22 yikes, that sounds like a tradition that should be waived for triplets!ย 
  • @jen_third22 so basically the name you'll actually call them will be the middle name and the first name won't really matter until later in life?ย 
  • @krysnicole1022 Pretty much. The first names have been family names so far, so like people may do for a middle name, but weโ€™re just conscious when choosing because it will be their actual first name.ย 

    @bows22 Iโ€™ve been thinking the same thing, but then it also feels weird doing it one way for two kids and another for the other three.
  • @jen_third22 you're carrying triplets...you get to do whatever you want. Haha. I actually don't think it would be weird to go by first names with the triplets. Or would you be worried that if you announced the names that his side would automatically start calling them by the middle name. I really don't see much of a difference between giving them family middle names if they aren't actually going to be called that anyway.ย 
  • Just tell everyone you are naming them one of the following:
    Monica, Rachel, and Phoebe
    Sophia,ย  Dorothy Rose, and Blanche
    Meredith, Addison, and Cristina
    Leslie, Anne, and April
    Or really just give any three Disney Princess names.ย 
    If you really want to make them feel awkward then say something like Artemis, Aphrodite, and Arachne. You could go Athena with that combo as well.ย 
  • ๐—˜๐——๐—— / ๐—ช๐—ฒ๐—ฒ๐—ธ๐˜€ + ๐——๐—ฎ๐˜†๐˜€: 23+2 and 10/18

    ๐—•๐—ฎ๐—ฏ๐˜† ๐—ถ๐˜€ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ ๐˜€๐—ถ๐˜‡๐—ฒ ๐—ผ๐—ณ ๐—ฎ(๐—ป) / ๐—ถ๐—ป๐˜๐—ฒ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด ๐—ณ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐˜: Cher's cell phone from Clueless.

    ๐—™๐—ง๐— /๐—ฆ๐—ง๐— /๐—ง๐—ง๐— +/๐—ถ๐˜'๐˜€ ๐—ฐ๐—ผ๐—บ๐—ฝ๐—น๐—ถ๐—ฐ๐—ฎ๐˜๐—ฒ๐—ฑ: TTM+

    ๐—ง๐—ฒ๐—ฎ๐—บ ๐—™๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฑ๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด ๐—ข๐˜‚๐˜/๐—•๐—น๐˜‚๐—ฒ/๐—ฃ๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ธ/๐—š๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐—ฒ๐—ป:ย  ๐Ÿ’™ Blue

    Baby's Name (if chosen/sharing): No flipping clue

    ๐—จ๐—ฝ๐—ฐ๐—ผ๐—บ๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด ๐—”๐—ฝ๐—ฝ๐—ผ๐—ถ๐—ป๐˜๐—บ๐—ฒ๐—ป๐˜๐˜€: sometime in Mid-July and GD test between 7/19-7/26

    ๐—›๐—ผ๐˜„ ๐—ฎ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ ๐˜†๐—ผ๐˜‚ ๐—ณ๐—ฒ๐—ฒ๐—น๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด?: I'm feeling pretty good. I'm exhausted and overwhelmed with all we have left to do but physically I'm not feeling as bad as I thought I would in this heat and being this huge.

    ๐—ฅants/Raves: Rave: we are getting our roof replaced soon. Our roofer gave me a Graco baby carrier which retails for a lot so that's exciting.ย 
    Rant: I still have to go buy a new bigger car and the whole process is just unpleasant. I've been avoiding it during the heat weave because installing car seats properly in a new car is going to take some patience and I'm very pregnant. My husband can't do it because he thinks as long as it's clipped in it's fine but it's not.ย 

    ๐—ค๐˜‚๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜๐—ถ๐—ผ๐—ป๐˜€:

    GTKY: STM+, any highlights from Fatherโ€™s Day weekend? FTMs, did you do anything for the dads-to-be? We went in the pool. I made a baked avocado/tomato/spinach cheese baguette sandwich for dinner. I got my husband a video game figurine and his favorite hot sauce.ย 
  • edited June 2022
    Question: Recommendations for Living Will Witness' signatures.ย 

    Background: My husband and I have had our Living Wills done for over 6 months, but can't file them away because they have to be signed by us and Witnesses first, but we literally know no one who can sign them, and we live in Wisconsin so we can't just go get them notarized. It also feels weird to just walk up to a stranger or a neighbor and say "Hey can you sign this living will for me" I feel like if we did that we'd have to get it self-proving so that if something happens and it goes to probate the "strangers" or "neighbors" won't have to be contacted.
    I know we can't be the only people out there that don't have anyone who can sign these kind of things, but we're going to start working on our regular will soon and are going to end up in the same situation.ย 
    We'd appreciate any recommendations or any options anyone has used themselves or are aware of?
    Also, what's the point of having a Living Will if you're in a state that doesn't consider it valid when your pregnant? and why is that? So odd, you'd think that would be the most important time to have one.ย 
    Sorry ranting here...it's been really frustrating and stressful. I understand why family and banks etc can't be a witness, but darn sometimes I think things are just made way to difficult in the world. All we need it 2 signatures! :(
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