July 2018 Moms

Product Spotlight NY Day Edition: Sleep Surfaces!

This is a place for FTMs to ask questions and S+TMs to share the wealth of knowledge they've accumulated on baby products. Each week we'll spotlight a new category of product to help streamline and make it easier to refer back. This week it's.... sleep surfaces! Cribs, bassinets, travel cribs, mattresses, and anything in between. 
 
Please use the prompts below to try to share as much relevant info as you can in a format that is easy for those reading to absorb/respond to. If you'd like to recommend/ask questions about more than one product, please copy/paste the prompts as needed.  

For S+TMs: 
  • Lifestyle (house, apartment, travel often, etc):
  • Favorite [sleep surface]:
  • Link/picture:
  • Cost (either actual dollar amount, or just $, $$, $$$, etc.):
  • What you like about it:
  • What you don't like about it, if anything:
  • Is there a [sleep surface] you don't have but are considering? Why?:
  • Is there a [sleep surface] you've tried that you absolutely hate? Why?: 
  • Additional thoughts on [sleep surfaces]?:

For FTMs:
  • Lifestyle (house, apartment, travel often, etc):
  • [Sleep surface] you're interested in:
  • Link/picture:
  • Cost (either actual dollar amount, or just $, $$, $$$, etc.):
  • Any questions about it/them for S+TMs?:

Links to past threads here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nhSR3UAwJx8UitC9b2hRx57c4hHkK6BU679FjqXMeHQ/edit?usp=sharing
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  • STM here! I used the bassinet attachement to the pack n play with DS, but he was almost 15lbs by 12 weeks so he outgrew the weight limit way sooner than I anticipated. I plan on keeping this LO in our room as long as possible so I’m looking into other options. 

    Lifestyle: apartment

    Sleep surface: Arms Reach Cosleeper Bassinet 

    https://www.target.com/p/arm-s-reach-cambria-co-sleeper-bassinet-natural/-/A-14514620#lnk=sametab

    Cost: 189.99

    Questions: Has anyone used this and liked it? I like the 30 lb weight limit more than anything, most bassinets only go up to 15 or so. 
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  • djh513djh513 member
    edited January 2018
    Lifestyle (house, apartment, travel often, etc): We live in a house.
    Favorite [sleep surface]: Halo bassinest while in our bedroom. (We transitioned to a crib in DS own room once he was sleeping through the night, which was 9 months, and will do similar with this LO).
    Link/picture: HALO Bassinest Swivel Sleeper Bassinet - Essentia Series, Honeycomb https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LPBV1J2/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_c_api_vbPsAbJT9WTJY  
    Cost (either actual dollar amount, or just $, $$, $$$, etc.): Different pricing based on features, I think anywhere from $200-$280. It was worth it to me because we did use it every night for MONTHS and will use it with our second LO.
     What you like about it: Extremely sturdy stand that doesn’t take up a lot of floor space (and by sturdy I mean HEAVY - not easy to move - but we did not move it). My 95 lb and 75 lb Labs could not make the thing shake. 360 swivel feature, will work for nearly any height of bed. He was right up next to me when he was a newborn and I just moved it a few feet away once he was older and I wanted my space.


     What you don't like about it, if anything: — Is there a [sleep surface] you don't have but are considering? Why?: — Is there a [sleep surface] you've tried that you absolutely hate? Why?: — Additional thoughts on [sleep surfaces]?: —

    Edited to try to fix spacing, no luck

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  • STM living in a house.

    A bassinet came with my stroller (uppababy vista) which was part of the reason we went with that stroller.  We bought the stand and my daughter slept in that and in a rock n play for a while.  The bassinet has a 20 lbs limit, and she is light, so she got too long for it before she got too heavy.  Her favorite thing to nap in was her swing.

    She was in our room until 5 months and when we finally put her in her room in her crib it was the most amazing relief to have our space back.  I think we might make the move earlier this time.  Her crib is from Pottery Barn Kids and will convert to a toddler bed.  We may give that crib to the new baby and get a little bed for the big girl.  There are so many decisions to make!
    • Lifestyle (house, apartment, travel often, etc): house, travel to cottage often

    • Favorite [sleep surface]: Moses baskets as newborns, cribs at home (tbh I don’t remember the brand of crib or mattress), Cosco playard for travel to cottage

    • Link/picture:

    • Cost (either actual dollar amount, or just $, $$, $$$, etc.): cribs were $$$, new babe gets the IKEA crib after he/she outgrows the Moses basket lol

    • What you like about it: Compact and babies seemed to like them (slept super well!)

    • What you don't like about it, if anything:

    • Is there a [sleep surface] you don't have but are considering? Why?: getting an IKEA crib for the new babe because cribs are $$$

    • Is there a [sleep surface] you've tried that you absolutely hate? Why?: haven’t tried it but I hate the Dock-a-Tot on principle. I’m so glad it’s banned in Canada since it’s so unsafe. 

    • Additional thoughts on [sleep surfaces]?: 
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    • Lifestyle (house, apartment, travel often, etc):

    STM living in two story house 
    • Favorite [sleep surface]:
    We are basic crib family. I had a rock n play for my first but never used it. We put DD to sleep in her crib from day one. Actually for some reason once she was in her room for “bedtime” we didn’t leave until morning. So if something was needed it was brought to the room. She actually is a good sleeper now so maybe it helped and maybe it didn’t - who knows. 
    • Link/picture:
    • Cost (either actual dollar amount, or just $, $$, $$$, etc.):
    We got the 4-1
    crib. Currently it’s the toddler bed with rail. 
    • What you like about it:

    • What you don't like about it, if anything:
    • Is there a [sleep surface] you don't have but are considering? Why?: 
    I considered something for our bedroom in the off chance I can breastfeed this time ( last time I didn’t make any milk) 
    • Is there a [sleep surface] you've tried that you absolutely hate? Why?: 
    • Additional thoughts on [sleep surfaces]?:
  • @comealongponds I didn't hear that about the doc a tot being banned in Canada. What's the reasoning? We used one for a couple months and it was a lifesaver for us. 

    STM, we live in a house and used the halo bassinet for the first 4 months. I liked that it could keep him close to me and adjust to my bed height, I also liked that it didn't take up too much space since our bedroom is small. I did not like that our son seemed to hate it. I think the mattress is just too thing or maybe the space is too open, but he didn't sleep great in it. We got the doc a tot when he was around 8 weeks and used it inside the halo. I know it's only approved for co sleeping on the bed but we were desperate for sleep and it was the only thing that worked. Not sure if I'll do it again for #2 since I want to be as safe as possible, but the doc a tot is still great for lounging and tummy time. We also used the rock n play some nights in the early days when he wouldn't sleep and we were desperate. He napped a lot in the rock n play too, which was great since it's portable. We transitioned to the crib at 4 months.


    Sorry for the lack of formatting, I'm on mobile. 
  • Lifestyle:
    Two story house

    Favorite sleep surface:
    Graco Travel Lite Pack N Play for our room, regular crib for nursery, regular Pack N Play for napping on main floor living.

    Link/Picture:
    Only linking the travel PnP and crib since everyone knows what a regular PnP is: https://m.toysrus.com/product?productId=93233916
    https://m.toysrus.com/product?productId=46322606

    Cost:
    Travel PnP was around $90 after price matching at BRU. Crib was around $150 (more if you get the conversion kits) which I think is very reasonable for a crib.

    What you like about it:
    The Travel PnP was wonderful to use in our room before LO was transitioned into her nursery and crib. It doesn't take up much space and can be used when traveling (we often take it to friends houses so LO has somewhere to nap that's not her car seat). It has breathable mesh sides so I felt confident with her safety while sleeping.
    The crib is sturdy and attractive. It arrived without chips or damage (it was shipped to our home). It was easily assembled. The mattress was purchased separately.
    We used the bassinet in the regular PnP for napping early on when LO slept most of the day. She outgrew the weight limit fairly quickly but we still use it for diaper changes.

    What you don't like about it, if anything:
    I would appreciate if the price of the Travel PnP weren't nearly the same as a regular PnP given that's it's literally half the size. Would still buy it again though.

    Is there a sleep surface you don't have but are considering?
    No.

    Is there a sleep surface you've tried but absolutely hated? Why?
    We initially used a bassinet for our room. It was pretty, made of wood, and had a shelf below. We used it for about 1 week and I was so scared using it. It felt extremely unsafe due to non-breathable sides. LO was able roll and scoot from day one and after ending up face planted into the side, I said enough and we stopped using it. It now houses clothes she's grown out of and sits in our spare room. Total waste of money and worry: https://m.toysrus.com/product?productId=23220386

    Additional thoughts on sleep surfaces:
    Don't go crazy and choose items based on how cute they are. Find something usable for you and safe for baby. Sleep comes easier when you know baby is safe.
    We also moved LO to her crib at 5 weeks - she slept better bc she was no longer waking to our movements and we slept better bc we didn't wake for every little whimper and fuss. She's now 6 months old and has slept 12-13 hours each night since 2.5 months :)
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    Graco Pack n Play Playard On The Go Pasadena
    • Cost (either actual dollar amount, or just $, $$, $$$, etc.): Not sure but I think $$ for the crib and $ for the pack n play
    • What you like about it: The crib is cute and modern, and converted to a nice toddler bed which DD currently sleeps in, the pack n play was really functional
    • What you don't like about it, if anything: nothing
    • Is there a [sleep surface] you don't have but are considering? Why?: I'm considering the Halo Bassinet for when baby sleeps in our room for the first couple months. I like that it takes up little floor space and seems safe and convenient.
    • Is there a [sleep surface] you've tried that you absolutely hate? Why?: Not a sleep surface but DD hated this thing passionately. 

    • Additional thoughts on [sleep surfaces]? At the end of the day as long as it's safe it doesn't matter.






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  • @zande2016 Dock-a-Tot shamelessly markets themselves as safe for sleeping/cosleeping when in fact they pass no standards that make it a safe sleep surface, it’s literally a giant pillow. Health Canada insisted they either meet our bassinet/crib standards or stop marketing themselves as a sleep surface. Instead they pulled out of Canada entirely. 


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  • @comealongponds I'm in USA so maybe different, but I am pretty sure at the time we got ours, it was approved for overnight sleep if placed on top of a mattress. That was 1.5 yrs ago, so could have changed. Thanks for the info. 
  • zande2016 said:
    @comealongponds I'm in USA so maybe different, but I am pretty sure at the time we got ours, it was approved for overnight sleep if placed on top of a mattress. That was 1.5 yrs ago, so could have changed. Thanks for the info. 
    None of the certifications it meet have anything to do with it being a safe sleep space. If you’re interested I can try and dig up the actual definitions of the standards it meets but most of them are about durability and flammability, I had them saved a while ago. 
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  • zande2016 said:
    @comealongponds I'm in USA so maybe different, but I am pretty sure at the time we got ours, it was approved for overnight sleep if placed on top of a mattress. That was 1.5 yrs ago, so could have changed. Thanks for the info. 
    None of the certifications it meet have anything to do with it being a safe sleep space. If you’re interested I can try and dig up the actual definitions of the standards it meets but most of them are about durability and flammability, I had them saved a while ago. 
    I'll definitely do some research, thank you! 
  • This thread is so helpful, as a FTM I have no idea where newborns are supposed to sleep!

    I did some research and dockatot was not among the recommended surfaces, but they really push their product. I'm sure it's good for some things just personally would not risk it with a newborn. 
    I'm thinking about going with the pack and play because it can fit on our room and it's versatile. I was also tempted by the Halo bassinet but it's $$ and we don't have a lot of space so we will opt for the pack and play instead. 

    I saw a Graco crib I like too, has a matching changing table if we wanna go with that I like the Babyletto but may be too $$ - we plan on transitioning the babe as soon as possible but it will depend on how things go of course! A girl can dream, LOL
    • Lifestyle (house, apartment, travel often, etc): Currently a house...not sure where we will be when baby comes (i..e house or apartment)
    • [Sleep surface] you're interested in: Chicco Side Sleeping Crib Next2Me "Silver" Baby Crib Next 2 Me Brand NEW
    • Link/picture: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B073Y8JPVY?colid=3M07D3357VSL&coliid=I35NJPTQYC1TR0&ref=br_ADD_TO_CART_title_link
    • Cost (either actual dollar amount, or just $, $$, $$$, etc.): $$
    • Any questions about it/them for S+TMs?: Anyone else use this or something similar? I have this obsessive fear of baby sleeping with us and one of us rolling over the little bugger.  

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  • @zombiehoohaa that looks similar to the one I’m looking at, but I don’t think the arms reach bassinet adjusts to the beds height... I like the halo for that reason too. So many options!
  • Lifestyle (house, apartment, travel often, etc): we lived in a 2 bedroom apartment until dd was 14 months we now are in our first home :)Favorite [sleep surface]: cribLink/picture: Cost (either actual dollar amount, or just $, $$, $$$, etc.): i bought it used for 60 What you like about it: solid, adjustable height for the mattress, safeWhat you don't like about it, if anything: nothing Is there a [sleep surface] you don't have but are considering? Why?: rock n play: be nice to have right next to our bed for nughttime feedingsIs there a [sleep surface] you've tried that you absolutely hate? Why?:  i like our pnp but we now pad it with a blanket as dd is more picky about sleep surfaceAdditional thoughts on [sleep surfaces]?:
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  • @zombiehoohaa I like that Chicco bassinet! So many options, seriously...
  • @acunamatada I have a tall bed, so the height is definitely a concern of mine for these types of things. 
    @kissablevi This particular one kept popping up on my pinterest feed and I was like, pppssshhhh...no I wouldn't do that. Now here I am, having this on my baby registry as a must-have. lmao! 
    Why do they make all these great look products!?!?! 

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  • @zombiehoohaa I would personally be hesitant with that specific bassinet simply due to the sides appearing to not have breathable material. My LO would scoot to the sides and after finding her face planted, I bought a bassinet (Travel PnP) with mesh sides. I might be overly cautious but I couldn't get the worry out of my head.
  • @TalesOfASocialIntrovert Didn't even think about that...Thank you! I may look into something similar then with breathable material that adjusts high enough to my bed level and doesn't take up too much room. Because our living situation is in question at the moment (hopefully we will know more in the next couple months), a crib will not be set up until we have the room. My brother and sil are giving us a crib, so we are extremely grateful they will house it in their garage until we get things figured out. 

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  • We live in a house! 

    I love our bassinet that came with our Peg Perego Book Popup. It’s definitely pricey (the stroller set was about $1200 CAD I believe, and the stand was an extra $70 although looking the price up now it seems to be at $150) but I felt it was worth the quality. The bassinet’s weight limit I believe was 20 lbs. We moved my son out of it into his crib at 3 months. I love that the bassinet is super long. I never actually connected it to the stroller as I just kept it in my room. My son slept extremely well in it. The only downside is the unusual length makes it impossible to find sheets for this bassinet. The mattress that comes with it is machine washable though. 


    The crib we have is a Babyletto Sprout 4 in 1 convertible. I was drawn to the chestnut colour and the midcentury style. We bought it for $600. The wood is soft so I purchased Trendlab Fleece rail covers when my son began to stand. It has protected the wood and his teeth! I love that this crib is unique and (in my opinion) timeless and simple. We also bought a Babyletto Non toxic mattress for $200 CAD. I got my crib sheets at Pottery Barn and my mattress protector at Target. 


  • edited January 2018
    I HAVE to tell you about the Lifenest!!!! GAME CHANGER. 

    Lifestyle:
    This is an insert that fits in a crib or a pack-n-play. They have one for a Halo, too, that I haven't personally tried. We had DD in a pack-n-ay in our room for months before transitioning her to her own room, and we used the Lifenest. Fits on top of an existing mattress and wedges in so it can't move. 

    Price:
    $99, sometimes goes on sale on Amazon. 

    What I liked:
    EVERYTHING. SIDS was a major fear for me as a FTM. This isn't marketed for SIDS protection, it's supposed to reduce the head-flattening babies can have if they lay down too much. But I read an article on its development (it came out shortly before my daughter was born) and how peds were developing it to stop infant suffocation in case of an accidental flip. Of course they can't market it like that without extensive testing, so they say it's for flat-head. It works like a hammock frame in the bed; the sides are rigid foam that wedges into a crib or pnp so it's a tight fit and safe for baby. The center has a taught mesh oval that baby sleeps on, totally gas permiable and has a nice cradling feeling without being loose, so if they flip accidentally they can still breathe, especially while swaddled. Baby is also at a slightly elevated angle, helping with reflux and spit-up. Any spit-up goes through the mesh instead of staying next to baby's face, eliminating a choking hazard. And the best part??

    MY KID SLEPT THROUGH THE NIGHT AT TWO MONTHS. 8-12 HOURS. EVERY NIGHT. 

    This is 100% NOT what it's marketed for, but it's an amazing side effect. Granted, she was a bit of a unicorn baby in general, but my husband went online to look at reviews of the lifenest for some question we had when she was about 3 months old, and it turns out a ton of parents report their kid sttn very early with the lifenest. I think it's because they get a bit of a cradle/cushion in it, instead of being on a hard surface. Whatever it is, I'll freaking take it. Peace of mind, AND sleep for the sleep-deprived? Yes, please. 

    Link:
    Ubimed Lifenest Sleep System, White https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00D5DQ3OQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_ARptAb1DZYAM2
  • @christycalifornia I thought we were all set sleep-wise, but now I want to look into this for the Halo! Thanks for the reco. 

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  • @christycalifornia oooh I'm going to look into that for the halo! I love the functionality of the halo but I think my baby hated how thin the mattress was and how open it was, so we ended up sticking a doc a tot inside the halo out of sleep deprived desperation, and I've been looking for a safer alternative this time around. Thanks for the rec! 
  • edited January 2018
    I wanted a Halo SO BADLY since my daughter (it came out after she was born) but I didn't want to give up the lifenest because it was seriously SO. WONDERFUL. And now I saw today they have one for Halo!!! I hope it's as good. The only thing I worry about is if the oval part is smaller the kid may grow out of it sooner, but honestly my daughter was wiggling off of hers by 6 months anyway, and isn't that about the lifespan of a basinett? I've never had one before, but it's going on the registry now! @djh513 @zande2016 if you get one let me know how it looks!
  • We used the halo until around 4-5 months because my son was sleeping through the night at that point so we decided to put him in his crib in his own room. I definitely wouldn't have used it beyond 6 months though because he was sitting up and it's not safe anymore once that happens. @christycalifornia
  • @zande2016 Duh. Oh my gosh, Christy. It's been almost 4 years, and see how the sleep-deprived mind forgets? Yeah, DD grew out of swaddling around 4 months, and started sitting up at 5. I think we just dropped the mattress in the PNP at that point, but the lifenest was for sure done. Man, those first few months feel like they last a YEAR in hindsight!
  • Ok, so they've done a lot more studies and can make the safety claims now. :thumbs up





  • I thought I’d also spotlight the sleep sack I used with my son. We used Perlimpinpin Cotton and Bamboo sleep sacks. They are extra long so I had purchased 2 of the same size and my son wore them from 5 months to 14 months. The have varying thickness so I had one thinner and one thicker. They are also breathable. After wearing them every night, they are still in excellent shape! 

    https://shop.perlimpinpin.com/collections/sleep-bags-cotton


  • On the subject of getting a newborn to sleep and swaddles/ sleepsacks, I thought I would also mention the Miracle Blanket. It's a swaddling blanking that literally saved us. That thing is definitely a miracle. It got my son to sleep through the night and I recommend it to everyone I know who has a baby now. 
  • FTM here. Has anyone used the babybox?  it's a free cardboard box with a little mattress. it's a nationwide initiative for safe sleeping.  I/m all for safe sleep but I feel weird putting a baby in a cardboard box?
  • @moguippy I haven't but I think it's a great idea, Finland, where the idea originated has a very low infant mortality rate, way lower than the US. While it may be strange to us it's actually a whole lot better than a lot of the cribs I see in pictures, loaded up with bumpers, blankets and all sorts of unsafe but "pinterest worthy" junk. They sell some cute ones https://www.finnishbabybox.com/us/en but they are pricy and I'm not sure I'd use the box so it seems wasteful. 
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  • @moguippy have you found the box for free? 
  • @moguippy I haven't but I think it's a great idea, Finland, where the idea originated has a very low infant mortality rate, way lower than the US. While it may be strange to us it's actually a whole lot better than a lot of the cribs I see in pictures, loaded up with bumpers, blankets and all sorts of unsafe but "pinterest worthy" junk. They sell some cute ones https://www.finnishbabybox.com/us/en but they are pricy and I'm not sure I'd use the box so it seems wasteful. 
    $500. Yikes!
  • @kissableviv Yes I got the free box. You need to have a distribution center near you and watch some informative videos online.  The library in the town next to me is a distribution center otherwise there was one like 30 minutes away (I'm in NJ).  My box came with the box itself, the little mattress, a pack of newborn pampers and I think sample of wipes, along with some coupons.  

    https://www.babyboxuniversity.com/?utm_source=Adwords&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=baby-box&gclid=CjwKCAiAm7LSBRBBEiwAvL1-L3hwXZnRWyKIIz5wHpMM_zFGpahx4v4uWS9khAp03p48QBSauguNmBoCcJ4QAvD_BwE

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  • zande2016 said:
    On the subject of getting a newborn to sleep and swaddles/ sleepsacks, I thought I would also mention the Miracle Blanket. It's a swaddling blanking that literally saved us. That thing is definitely a miracle. It got my son to sleep through the night and I recommend it to everyone I know who has a baby now. 
    Oh my gosh, THIS. My kid would NOT take a tight swaddle, and the 3 am fights over A n A blankets and the proper way to swaddle were REAL. These saved me, my sleep, and my marriage. I cried when she outgrew hers. 
  • +1 for the Miracle Blanket! I give it at every baby shower- it was a lifesaver! Takes all the struggle out of swaddling! 
  • Hey @christycalifornia the lifenest sounds great. I was planning on using a pack n play bassinet for the first few months, and would love to use the lifenest insert in it. What pack n play did you use with it? Some of the reviews I just read on the lifenest say that the size is irregular and it doesn't fit in many pack n plays or bassinets. Did you have any trouble getting it to fit?
  • I would be cautious of the Lifenest. It promotes chin-to-chest positioning, which would put baby at risk of positional asphyxia. It also doesn’t conform to the AAPs standards of a safe sleep surface since it is not a firm, flat surface, it is an addition to the crib/actual safe sleep space, and it indents when baby lies on it.

    As well, breathability isn’t a regulated term. I could literally market a brick as breathable if I wanted to because there is no testing standard for that term. Like the Dock-A-Tot, their marketing is deceptive and sketchy IMO.
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