@beachbunnyxo123 We're currently doing non-medicated. I pushed for the BW because on prometrium my LP went from 13 days to ranging from 10-13. Andplusalso *TW* both of my previous progesterone levels had been taken during losses so neither were the traditional 7dpo level. *End TW* I originally just asked for an appointment to discuss my LP but I figured since we couldn't get in for 6 weeks we should take advantage of the wait and get a "normal" and not on prometrium progesterone level.
@Sailing_Mama I would definitely ask the RE about your estradiol levels and fsh levels. Sometimes when estradiol levels are high it suppresses the fsh level which can be falsely reassuring. Your RE may say he has no concerns about this because your estradiol level only seems a tad bit high usually they like to see under 80 but may be worth asking since the fsh level does seem lower although in the normal range.
@beanship I'm not really sure yet actually. DH and I definitely have to discuss things. A part of me is praying and trying to be hopeful that the increase in letrozole this month and another IUI does the trick but DH and I still need to talk and pray on it to see what to do. Isn't that cute though with my brother? We've always been close and had mutual friends but of course I loved my college roomie and I'm happy to have her as a part of the fam!
@KariAnn323 I would definitely request to see an RE especially because your levels are pretty significantly low and you have a *TW* history of losses end TW* do you definitely need a referral to go or can you schedule one without it?
@beachbunnyxo123 Thanks girl... The estradiol was one I was worried about, but I found contradictory information (a couple places said it was high and one said it was low?). Also, I'm pretty sure the LH is high - especially compared to the FSH - I thought they should be around the same? And even the lab report flagged the testosterone as high
I guess I'm hoping both for help interpreting them - but also any advice on what to ask at the follow up (this was a PCP, so obviously will be asking for a referral), or even anything that others had been told about different numbers and levels
@haylsbayls So nice of you! MH and I are thinking of a Europe trip this year too! When I did England and Ireland, we used the company - Globus. I find it so much easier to have all hotels booked/travel between cities/breakfast and some dinners/ and itinerary all planned out for me and I can just sit back and enjoy! That is the same company we will use for our next Europe trip. My parents also used them when they went to Italy. The prices aren't bad either. It is nice too because when you on the bus, the tour guide is telling you all about the land you are driving through and buildings and you get so much more history that you wouldn't get otherwise. That's my vote!
32 years old (both H and I) Dating 7/2008 Married 7/2014 H Type I Diabetic TTC 1/2016
12/2016
mental break from TTC-NTNP
1/10/2017 initial appt with RE (all BW results WNL) 1/17/2017
SA DX Virtual Azoo (3 sperm 0%morph 0%motility) 1/18/2017
STP tubes clear 2/1/2017 initial appt with Urologist
2/15/2017 DX H Robertsonian Translocation H is on clomid and Theralogix Supplements 6/26/17 repeat SA: 47 sperm 0% morph 13% motility 7/26/17 IVF Consult, repeat SA (4 sperm) 8/21/17 Starting IVF cycle with Donor Sperm backup 9/1/17 ER ICSI PGS: only 2 donor embryos made it to freeze 9/13/17 Started cycle for IUI with donor and clomid 9/27/17 IUI canceled for overstim October Plan IUI with donor and low dose clomid
@KariAnn323 oh okay I see, definitely push it with the OB this month when you go. The RE is who can really help in that area. OBs specialize in pregnancy, not getting preg that's the REs job. If she tries to manage you there I would directly ask for the referral
@Sailing_Mama that's good that the pcp did the BW because I'm sure they will have no problem referring you to the RE. I'm not sure how much info the PCP will have for you regarding the results. Sometimes the high testosterone can be related to pcos but I will defer to others on that one. Hopefully you'll get a little more clarity here but as hard as it is try not to research too much just yet cause it's likely the re will want to follow up with some other tests too. As scary as it is I'm glad you're getting closer to getting more answers and clarity.
@beanship I'm sorry you got into an argument with your H. Can try to explain to him that an SA is pretty non-invasive, inexpensive, and an easy way to check on things from his end? (Just saw your update--glad he is on board now)
@pinky917 I'm so sorry about this cycle, that is incredibly frustrating. I hope your next cycle is perfect! @WillRunForWine21 opk surge is different for everyone so maybe the RE was just covering all the bases. FX for you! @beanship I'm sorry your DH is being difficult. My DH was like that but it's because he's very optimistic. We finally had to have a 'hypothetical' talk about what kind of treatment we were ok with and how far we would go.
ETA: I think I partly hadn't called until now because of the denial, but also partly a bit of shyness because I didn't want to be annoying and calling them before they told me to call and asking annoying questions. But I guess if I'm going to end up paying them a bazillion dollars I should make sure I get my money's worth and call them whenever I feel like it.
@beanship I'm glad everything worked out and H is will get the SA without an argument. I am going to take this opportunity to get back on my 'You Must Advocate For Yourself' soapbox. It is their job to treat you and you should never feel bad about calling with questions or for further explanation or if you just need them to repeat something they already told you. This is much too important for you to not feel confident about your plan and your protocol. You are not annoying and your questions are valid. If calling the office will make you feel more confident in the plan - make the call.
AFM: going back for the mammogram additional images was a total nightmare. I will spare you the play by play but I was there for about 3 hours, and around hour 2.5 I was lying on a gurney waiting for a doctor to do (yet another) ultrasound on my right breast and I completely fell apart thinking they had found something. Thankfully, the doctor was awesome and saw that I was upset so she immediately told me they don't see anything but she has to take one more look to be sure and she also told me that this is very stressful test and I was not alone in falling apart. Phew!
History and blog link in spoiler
2016 - dx with super low ovarian reserve; failed cycle with clomid, failed IUI, 2017 - egg retrieval #1 - 3 eggs, 0 embryos appropriate for transfer; ER #2 2 eggs, 0 embryos on day 3; ER #3 1 egg 0 embryos moved to donor egg in summer 2017; 35 eggs retrieved; 19 fertilized; 9 total embryos Fresh transfer Dec 2017= BFP! baby boy born 8/22/18
May 2019 - surprise natural pregnancy ended in MC Nov 2019 FET; MC at 9 weeks May 2020 FET; BFN July 2020 FET; CP treated with methotrexate Oct 2020 BFP!
@laurad75 I'm so sorry that you have all that going on. I was having pain in my left breast so I just had an ultrasound last week and when then start measuring areas it is frigging scary. The doctor reviewed it and said that I just had 2 cysts and he's not concerned but that's what was causing the pain. I'm glad you got some reassurance and hope that the other test goes well and gets done quickly to relieve the stress!
Thanks for the encouragement, @laurad75! I had to have a breast ultrasound once after a doctor saw something funny on a chest x-ray (for something else). Thankfully everything was fine, but it was terrifying. I'm glad your doctor was reassuring. Mine was great and said he saw nothing wrong, nice meeting me, he hoped to never see me again haha.
I can't believe it's Thursday and I'm just getting to update here. I have been reading and lovetitting over the past couple of days, but what a busy week!!
@laurad75 So glad that the tests came back good. What a mindfuck that must've been!
@Sailing_Mama I hope you get helpful answers on your BW. I noticed your Hemoglobin A1C is 5.2. Depending on which chart you read, it's the high side of normal. I can't remember if you have PCOS, but if you haven't been diagnosed with it, it might not be a bad idea to see if you can be tested for insulin resistance. Even though your result doesn't necessarily indicate a problem, it might be helpful to know.
@KariAnn323 I don't have any helpful words on your progesterone results, but they do sound low. I hope you get answers on how to deal with that soon. I know how hard short LPs and low P can be. Hugs to you!!
AFM:
Diagnosis: DOR, AMA
Cycle/CD: 22 (16AL)/CD 7
Status: WTO
What are you doing this cycle: First cycle doing 1 IUI with a midwife and 1 at home insemination with OH's frozen sperm
My turkey baster, later this cycle. JK, I think.
How are things going: Things are OK. We haven't purchased the cryotank to hold the frozen swimmers in between pick-up from the RE's office and insemination at the midwife's. I want to try and rent one first to see how they work. I need to call today to see if a local place rents them...it's not something that's easy to find, so I'm not super optimistic.
Any questions: I'm considering starting baby aspirin for blood flow and lining. I suspect my lining isn't super thick, so I'd like to work on that. I may also try pom juice, but I try to avoid drinking anything like fruit juice that has carbs in it because I'm a Type II diabetic. Anyway, the baby aspirin appears to be a low risk option as I don't have bleeding issues. So science-y IF girls, do you have any thoughts on this?
GTKY: We'll be doing lots of swimming because it's hellishly hot here, and we are fortunate enough to have a pool. **TW** DSS is learning to swim, and it's freaking adorable. I'm so proud of him for conquering his fear of putting his face in the water.
Me: 45 OH: 42 Beloved SS: born 12/2011 TTC my bio #1/our #2 since January 2016 **TW** June 2016 had CP **end TW** August 2016 - dx with DOR Somewhere in here received recommendation to do IVF with donor eggs, elected not to; OH dx with Low T May 2017 - began freezing sperm June 2017 - OH began treatment for Low T July 2017 - began doing 1 IUI via a midwife and 1 at home insemination each cycle http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/6259ba July 2018 - exhausted frozen sperm, officially NTNP since OH is probably shooting blanks
@Aurora1973 I'm on baby aspirin (partially because I had a blood clot earlier this year), but my PCM mentioned that it will also help preparing for IVF. I would discuss it with your doc, since it's not good for everyone, but it seems to be a good option for many TTC.
Me: 35 DH: 28 TTC since June 2016 Azoospermia diagnosis (zero count) Dec 2016 AZFc chromosome microdeletion discovery March 2017 Unsuccessful TESE for DH in August 2017 October 2017 IVF with donor sperm
29R, 24M, 16F, 2d5, 4d6 (6 embryos total) Only 3 could have PGS. 2/3 normal. 5 embies frozen 12/15/17 FET #1 (1 embryo)--CP 2/7/17 FET #2 (2 embryos)--BFN Chronic endometritis diagnosis May 2018
ERA Sept 2018--borderline receptive--12 more hours of progesterone Abnormal SIS Oct 2018 Repeat hysteroscopy Nov 1. Treated recurring endometritis. 12/4/18 FET #3 (2 embryos)--BFN Our journey has come to an end.
Me: 45 OH: 42 Beloved SS: born 12/2011 TTC my bio #1/our #2 since January 2016 **TW** June 2016 had CP **end TW** August 2016 - dx with DOR Somewhere in here received recommendation to do IVF with donor eggs, elected not to; OH dx with Low T May 2017 - began freezing sperm June 2017 - OH began treatment for Low T July 2017 - began doing 1 IUI via a midwife and 1 at home insemination each cycle http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/6259ba July 2018 - exhausted frozen sperm, officially NTNP since OH is probably shooting blanks
Ooooh do I need to vent - if you want to skip a DD post, feel free...
So - I posted yesterday that my BW was back... the most striking numbers were that my FSH was 3.5 while my LH was 9.7, and my testosterone was 2.1. So, I went back into the clinic today to see the doctor who ordered the tests (she had said she didn't need the tests to confirm PCOS, which had annoyed me then, but the fact that I had a history of polycystic ovaries and the irregular cycles was enough... but we would do the BW and if anything came back out of range, refer me to a specialist). She is on vacation for a few weeks, so they scheduled me to see someone else. It was beyond infuriating, so here is a list of the BS he told me:
My LH is fine - he didn't care that it was out of the range for CD3 even according to the lab
LH:FSH doesn't matter at all - in fact he brushed my comment about this off completely
The elevated hormones and irregular periods aren't enough to convince him I have PCOS, so now he wants an U/S BEFORE he'll do a referral
PCOS is nothing - I had asked about what doctors were the best for PCOS patients, and he said PCOS is nothing, they never refer people for just PCOS
Are you F*ing kidding me??? This is becoming such a nightmare and it's only the beginning... I do have an appointment with my naturopath who said there are more options we can try to get me KU faster, which at least is something. This guy acted like I was a stupid little girl who didn't understand what happens with her body. F me. Seriously.
@Sailing_Mama W. O. W. That's some serious mansplaining BS right there. If it were me, I'd wait until the other dr comes back and meet with her to see what she says. I'm sorry.
Me: 31 DH: 32 Dating since: 11/17/2001 Married: 9/26/2009 TTC: June 2016
@BertieMeetsGertie Right? He also told me that no doctor would accept me without the U/S being done, and to let me know who I thought I should see. I ended up calling a couple of places, who will accept the referral with the notation that the U/S is to follow. I called the clinic back and said I wasn't happy with the appointment, could I see someone else, so am going back tomorrow.
@saralee797-2 hurray for the great lining! Good luck with PIO! @beanship Not a huge fan of monitors, but I'm a huge fan of the idea of cocktails! I have added vodka to my Pom juice, because it's Pom juice. Also- my H was a lot more "relaxed" about everything, and assumed there wasn't an issue, until he heard it from the RE's mouth. If it's possible to schedule appointments when your husband can be there, I'd probably do that. @Pinky917 Sorry this cycle was a bust! @WillRunForWine21 That sucks that the timing was the best. It only takes 1 sperm though, so fingers crossed!! @laurad75 phew!! Glad that the imaging came out clear! @hollyyyyy I haven't heard of "debris" either.keep us updated! @KariAnn323 I don't have any insight into your specifics, but I second what @laurad75 said, you should advocate for yourself! Even if it is completely covered, YOU are the patient and you know your body better than anyone! @Aurora1973 Love the gif. I wouldn't even know where to begin finding one- good luck!! @Sailing_Mama I would be pissed. Actually, I am pissed for you! I would email your dr and get their opinion. And then maybe even get a second opinion? That's so obnoxious. Sorry, friend.
I have been off of TB for a few days, but LOVED coming back to some unicorns!!!
Diagnosis (If you've been): High prolactin, high AMH/PCOM, Fragile x carrier
Cycle/CD: month 20 ugh, CD 18
Status (WTO/TWW/TTA): TWW
What are you doing this cycle? (Testing? Treatment?) Jist started cabergoline for the high prolactin, and a very strict diet for my PC ovaries.
How are things going? They're going. The MRI showed a nodule of 6mm, so the RE called in a prescription for cabergoline. I started that Monday. I am doing okay, just feel slightly "off" in the mornings. Also, I'm in the middle of week 2 of a very strict diet.
Any questions?
GTKY: Tell me about something fun that you're doing this week! We had a BBQ for the 4th which was nice. Our dogs hated the fireworks though. Makes me feel so bad for them!
@Sailing_Mama W. O. W. That's some serious mansplaining BS right there. If it were me, I'd wait until the other dr comes back and meet with her to see what she says. I'm sorry.
This! @Sailing_Mama I am furious on your behalf! I agree with @bertiemeetsgertie. That guy is bad news. Sorry I can't be more helpful about your test results but they mostly seem to align with pcos it seems. I hope you get more clarity soon.
@aurora1973 Where do you find these gifs and pics? You are the queen.
@Sailing_Mama oh that would so piss me off!! I'm glad you're going back tomorrow!
@Redpuma119 I live close to Disney so my puppy hears fireworks every night. Most of the 4th of July ones didn't bother her but some did so they must have sounded weird to her
What are you doing this cycle? (Testing? Treatment?) 2nd cycle of clomid, and I am getting hormone levels checked throughout the month.
How are things going? The last two days have been a little hard. I think as much as I tried to be realistic, I had it in my head that the first cycle of clomid would work. I am also really bummed. Tw, my brother died a few months ago, and SIL understandably moved kind of far away to be close to her mom. My parents are going to visit my nieces and nephew this week and I can't get off of work. EndTW
Any questions? If you took clomid, did you notice the side effects were lessened if you took it at night?
GTKY: Tell me about something fun that you're doing this week!
My BIL is having a BBQ this weekend. And tomorrow DH and I are both off work, so we are going to breakfast and shopping.
@Sailing_Mama, that is awful. Hopefully the doctor tomorrow will be more helpful
@laurad75 , sorry they made you wait so long, but glad it was all good!
@Sailing_Mama Ooo, that makes me so mad on your behalf. How dare he say that to you, especially for that last point. That kind of BS is exactly why I try to avoid male docs for this sort of thing. (I was secretly overjoyed when a female surgeon joined the IVF team at our RE's office.) I hope you can see the other doctor from before and that your naturopath has some good ideas.
Me: 35 DH: 28 TTC since June 2016 Azoospermia diagnosis (zero count) Dec 2016 AZFc chromosome microdeletion discovery March 2017 Unsuccessful TESE for DH in August 2017 October 2017 IVF with donor sperm
29R, 24M, 16F, 2d5, 4d6 (6 embryos total) Only 3 could have PGS. 2/3 normal. 5 embies frozen 12/15/17 FET #1 (1 embryo)--CP 2/7/17 FET #2 (2 embryos)--BFN Chronic endometritis diagnosis May 2018
ERA Sept 2018--borderline receptive--12 more hours of progesterone Abnormal SIS Oct 2018 Repeat hysteroscopy Nov 1. Treated recurring endometritis. 12/4/18 FET #3 (2 embryos)--BFN Our journey has come to an end.
@Sailing_Mama That's absolutely awful! I'm so glad that you were able to get another appointment tomorrow. FX that doctor is much better. @Redpuma119 I definitely plan on advocating for myself I just feel more confident if I know what I should be advocating for. I plan on requesting an RE referral, and I'm sending an email to the RE's office (there's only one in the area) to find out what initial testing he would want to have done and if my OB could order the testing so we can be proactive. I'm just not sure what else I should be advocating for. Based on the fact that my OB is saying that 4.6 is only slightly low and based on all information I've seen it's more of an issue than that, I feel like if I'm going to be successful in advocating for myself I need to know what I need to be pushing for. I don't know I just feel like saying "I feel like we should be doing A, B, and C." will be more convincing than "Something is wrong, do something." I'm sorry, I'm just aggravated about the wait, the lack of concern, and the lack of answers (not from you awesome ladies, from my OB's office).
And I am completely infuriated for you. I hope the other doctor comes back soon and straightens things out. I have had a couple doctors tell me that I didn't have PCOS before I finally got my dx. Their test interpretations said I did not have PCOS, but my ovaries determined that was a lie. Hang in there. I'm sorry you're putting up with that BS.
@Sailing_Mama ugh I'm sorry you had such an awful appointment! That is so unacceptable. I'm glad you were able to get an appointment with someone else.
@holly321 I took my Clomid in the evening and still had side effects the whole month.
TTC History
Me: 35 DH: 34 Married 07/2012 DD born 07/2014 DD2 born 10/2018 DS born 10/2022
IF history: TTC #2 since January 2016 June-Aug 2017: 3 IUIs w/Clomid = BFN Sept 2017: Dx w/Endometriosis Oct 2017: IUI w/Letrozole = BFN Nov 2017: IUI w/Letrozole = BFN Dec 2017: pre-IVF testing Jan-Feb 2018: IVF--17 eggs retrieved, 13 fertilized, 9 frozen and 1 transferred on 2/10 = BFP on 2/19!!! EDD 10/29/2018 FET Oct 2021: BFP on 10/31! MC at 5 weeks FET Feb 2022: BFP on 2/15! EDD 10/29/22
@purplg8r Our house is a rental, and we are so lucky we found one with a pool. We had been in a previous home that the owners decided to sell, so when we went looking, we decided we may as well take the opportunity to find a place with one. We're so glad we did!!
@Redpuma119 Well, the only place we've found tanks (called Dewar tanks, in case you were curious) was for purchase on Amazon. Apparently the closest place that rents them is like 400 miles away. So we're probably going to buy.
@adirat Aw, thanks! I Google whatever it is I'm looking for and click on images. In this case, I looked for turkey baster gifs, LOL. Who would ever have thought that I would be searching that term?!?
Also, I do sorta see myself that way, LOL. OH calls himself the king, and I remind him that the queen is the one who really is in charge. I've always liked this:
Me: 45 OH: 42 Beloved SS: born 12/2011 TTC my bio #1/our #2 since January 2016 **TW** June 2016 had CP **end TW** August 2016 - dx with DOR Somewhere in here received recommendation to do IVF with donor eggs, elected not to; OH dx with Low T May 2017 - began freezing sperm June 2017 - OH began treatment for Low T July 2017 - began doing 1 IUI via a midwife and 1 at home insemination each cycle http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/6259ba July 2018 - exhausted frozen sperm, officially NTNP since OH is probably shooting blanks
Oh, and @Sailing_Mama what the actual fuck?!? It amazes me what we have to go through with IF. I have an IRL friend who is struggling to get diagnosed also. No one believes that she's not ovulating, but they won't test anything. She's getting the run around, and it's unacceptable. I'm so sorry that you're being treated that way. That is total bullshit.
In staying with the queen theme, this is what I have to say to that doctor:
Me: 45 OH: 42 Beloved SS: born 12/2011 TTC my bio #1/our #2 since January 2016 **TW** June 2016 had CP **end TW** August 2016 - dx with DOR Somewhere in here received recommendation to do IVF with donor eggs, elected not to; OH dx with Low T May 2017 - began freezing sperm June 2017 - OH began treatment for Low T July 2017 - began doing 1 IUI via a midwife and 1 at home insemination each cycle http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/6259ba July 2018 - exhausted frozen sperm, officially NTNP since OH is probably shooting blanks
Me: 35 DH: 34 Married 07/2012 DD born 07/2014 DD2 born 10/2018 DS born 10/2022
IF history: TTC #2 since January 2016 June-Aug 2017: 3 IUIs w/Clomid = BFN Sept 2017: Dx w/Endometriosis Oct 2017: IUI w/Letrozole = BFN Nov 2017: IUI w/Letrozole = BFN Dec 2017: pre-IVF testing Jan-Feb 2018: IVF--17 eggs retrieved, 13 fertilized, 9 frozen and 1 transferred on 2/10 = BFP on 2/19!!! EDD 10/29/2018 FET Oct 2021: BFP on 10/31! MC at 5 weeks FET Feb 2022: BFP on 2/15! EDD 10/29/22
Sorry, this is a little DD right now. I'm a little stressed right now. I went in for my follicle scan. CD12 my lining is at a 8, I have one follicle on my right ovary at 17.5 and one on my left ovary at 16.5. I have a couple others but they don't care about those. So we sat down with the nurse who wants me to take the trigger shot Sunday night. I can feel my body gearing up to O (CM changes) so I asked if I got a positive opk before that what do I do. If I have a positive opk tomorrow she told me to go ahead and take the trigger shot Saturday night. Well I got home after my appointment and I took an opk and it was positive. So I called them up asking and the other nurse told me that my follicles are too small and they think that it might be a false surge. OK- I can understand that. So I asked if it's still positive tomorrow if I should take the trigger shot. That nurse told me normally they don't have you take the trigger if your body is surging because that's just exactly what the shot will do. UH that's not what the other nurse said. Can you guys get it together and not give out different information. So I'll take another OPK tonight and tomorrow and if those are positive I'll give the trigger shot tomorrow night which is what I discussed with the first nurse. At this point I don't care if the shot is pointless I don't want to miss anything. We are just doing TI so I don't have to worry about scheduling an IUI but it shouldn't have to be so frustrating.
@mispanda I'm sorry they aren't on the same page with the info they are giving you. Fx that you'll be good to trigger and your body is just messing with you.
@mispanda Sorry for all the confusion. That has to be so frustrating. I feel like lots of us have recently been dealing with mixed messages/info from our offices. Get it together nurses!!
So update... I went back to the clinic this afternoon to see a different doctor - still a male doctor but a much better appointment!
He agreed that obviously the LH was high, and the LH:FSH ratio was off, both based on CD3. He also agreed to do the referral right away (like, is doing it tonight), and when I told him I had an OBGYN picked out because the other doctor told me to, since 'PCOS is nothing' and they 'don't refer' for just PCOS - he said "No, you should see an OBGYN for that" and looked confused at the other doctor.
Plus, he actually signed the U/S requisition - and redid it. I didn't even realize that the first doctor put something like 'patients suspects PCOS' as the reason for test, so he just put 'PCOS'
Thanks for all the support and encouraging me to stand my ground
Re: IF/Testing Weekly Check In - Week of July 3
Dating: 2/2007 Married: 4/2011
TTC #1: 9/2016
*TW*
BFP #2: 3/9/2017 - CP: 3/10/2017
08/2017: DH's SA = normal
08/2017: Low progesterone (4.6) all other BW normal
11/2017: HSG Clear; Pelvic Ultrasound Normal; and AMH, FSH, and Estradiol normal
12/2017: 1,000mg Metformin
12/2017: 50mg Clomid + TI = BFN
01/2018: 100mg Clomid + TI = BFN
01/2018: RE Consult
03/2018: 5mg Letrozole + 50 units Gonal-F + 500 μg Ovidrel + IUI = BFP #3: 4/1/2018 - CP: 4/4/2018
04/2018: 5mg Letrozole + Gonal-F + Ovidrel + IUI = BFP #4: 5/2/18
@beanship I'm not really sure yet actually. DH and I definitely have to discuss things. A part of me is praying and trying to be hopeful that the increase in letrozole this month and another IUI does the trick but DH and I still need to talk and pray on it to see what to do. Isn't that cute though with my brother? We've always been close and had mutual friends but of course I loved my college roomie and I'm happy to have her as a part of the fam!
@KariAnn323 I would definitely request to see an RE especially because your levels are pretty significantly low and you have a *TW* history of losses end TW* do you definitely need a referral to go or can you schedule one without it?
Dating: 2/2007 Married: 4/2011
TTC #1: 9/2016
*TW*
BFP #2: 3/9/2017 - CP: 3/10/2017
08/2017: DH's SA = normal
08/2017: Low progesterone (4.6) all other BW normal
11/2017: HSG Clear; Pelvic Ultrasound Normal; and AMH, FSH, and Estradiol normal
12/2017: 1,000mg Metformin
12/2017: 50mg Clomid + TI = BFN
01/2018: 100mg Clomid + TI = BFN
01/2018: RE Consult
03/2018: 5mg Letrozole + 50 units Gonal-F + 500 μg Ovidrel + IUI = BFP #3: 4/1/2018 - CP: 4/4/2018
04/2018: 5mg Letrozole + Gonal-F + Ovidrel + IUI = BFP #4: 5/2/18
I guess I'm hoping both for help interpreting them - but also any advice on what to ask at the follow up (this was a PCP, so obviously will be asking for a referral), or even anything that others had been told about different numbers and levels
Dating 7/2008
Married 7/2014
H Type I Diabetic
TTC 1/2016
1/10/2017 initial appt with RE (all BW results WNL)
1/17/2017 SA DX Virtual Azoo (3 sperm 0%morph 0%motility)
1/18/2017 STP tubes clear
2/1/2017 initial appt with Urologist
2/15/2017 DX H Robertsonian Translocation
H is on clomid and Theralogix Supplements
6/26/17 repeat SA: 47 sperm 0% morph 13% motility
7/26/17 IVF Consult, repeat SA (4 sperm)
8/21/17 Starting IVF cycle with Donor Sperm backup
9/1/17 ER ICSI PGS: only 2 donor embryos made it to freeze
9/13/17 Started cycle for IUI with donor and clomid
9/27/17 IUI canceled for overstim
October Plan IUI with donor and low dose clomid
@Sailing_Mama that's good that the pcp did
the BW because I'm sure they will have no problem referring you to the RE. I'm not sure how much info the PCP will have for you regarding the results. Sometimes the high testosterone can be related to pcos but I will defer to others on that one. Hopefully you'll get a little more clarity here but as hard as it is try not to research too much just yet cause it's likely the re will want to follow up with some other tests too. As scary as it is I'm glad you're getting closer to getting more answers and clarity.
@LeilaK9288 I'm jealous you're going to NYC!!
@beanship I'm sorry you got into an argument with your H. Can try to explain to him that an SA is pretty non-invasive, inexpensive, and an easy way to check on things from his end? (Just saw your update--glad he is on board now)
@haylsbayls Ireland!!! I'm jealous if that too!!
@beachbunnyxo123 yay for your brother & college roomie!! How exciting!!
@WillRunForWine21 opk surge is different for everyone so maybe the RE was just covering all the bases. FX for you!
@beanship I'm sorry your DH is being difficult. My DH was like that but it's because he's very optimistic. We finally had to have a 'hypothetical' talk about what kind of treatment we were ok with and how far we would go.
AFM: going back for the mammogram additional images was a total nightmare. I will spare you the play by play but I was there for about 3 hours, and around hour 2.5 I was lying on a gurney waiting for a doctor to do (yet another) ultrasound on my right breast and I completely fell apart thinking they had found something. Thankfully, the doctor was awesome and saw that I was upset so she immediately told me they don't see anything but she has to take one more look to be sure and she also told me that this is very stressful test and I was not alone in falling apart. Phew!
2017 - egg retrieval #1 - 3 eggs, 0 embryos appropriate for transfer; ER #2 2 eggs, 0 embryos on day 3; ER #3 1 egg 0 embryos
moved to donor egg in summer 2017; 35 eggs retrieved; 19 fertilized; 9 total embryos
Fresh transfer Dec 2017= BFP! baby boy born 8/22/18
May 2019 - surprise natural pregnancy ended in MC
Nov 2019 FET; MC at 9 weeks
May 2020 FET; BFN
July 2020 FET; CP treated with methotrexate
Oct 2020 BFP!
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@laurad75 So glad that the tests came back good. What a mindfuck that must've been!
@Sailing_Mama I hope you get helpful answers on your BW. I noticed your Hemoglobin A1C is 5.2. Depending on which chart you read, it's the high side of normal. I can't remember if you have PCOS, but if you haven't been diagnosed with it, it might not be a bad idea to see if you can be tested for insulin resistance. Even though your result doesn't necessarily indicate a problem, it might be helpful to know.
@KariAnn323 I don't have any helpful words on your progesterone results, but they do sound low. I hope you get answers on how to deal with that soon. I know how hard short LPs and low P can be. Hugs to you!!
AFM:
Diagnosis: DOR, AMA
Cycle/CD: 22 (16AL)/CD 7
Status: WTO
What are you doing this cycle: First cycle doing 1 IUI with a midwife and 1 at home insemination with OH's frozen sperm
My turkey baster, later this cycle. JK, I think.
How are things going: Things are OK. We haven't purchased the cryotank to hold the frozen swimmers in between pick-up from the RE's office and insemination at the midwife's. I want to try and rent one first to see how they work. I need to call today to see if a local place rents them...it's not something that's easy to find, so I'm not super optimistic.
Any questions: I'm considering starting baby aspirin for blood flow and lining. I suspect my lining isn't super thick, so I'd like to work on that. I may also try pom juice, but I try to avoid drinking anything like fruit juice that has carbs in it because I'm a Type II diabetic. Anyway, the baby aspirin appears to be a low risk option as I don't have bleeding issues. So science-y IF girls, do you have any thoughts on this?
GTKY: We'll be doing lots of swimming because it's hellishly hot here, and we are fortunate enough to have a pool. **TW** DSS is learning to swim, and it's freaking adorable. I'm so proud of him for conquering his fear of putting his face in the water.
Beloved SS: born 12/2011
TTC my bio #1/our #2 since January 2016
**TW** June 2016 had CP **end TW**
August 2016 - dx with DOR
Somewhere in here received recommendation to do IVF with donor eggs, elected not to; OH dx with Low T
May 2017 - began freezing sperm
June 2017 - OH began treatment for Low T
July 2017 - began doing 1 IUI via a midwife and 1 at home insemination each cycle
http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/6259ba
July 2018 - exhausted frozen sperm, officially NTNP since OH is probably shooting blanks
TTC since June 2016
Azoospermia diagnosis (zero count) Dec 2016
AZFc chromosome microdeletion discovery March 2017
Unsuccessful TESE for DH in August 2017
October 2017 IVF with donor sperm
29R, 24M, 16F, 2d5, 4d6 (6 embryos total)
Only 3 could have PGS. 2/3 normal. 5 embies frozen
12/15/17 FET #1 (1 embryo)--CP
2/7/17 FET #2 (2 embryos)--BFN
Chronic endometritis diagnosis May 2018
ERA Sept 2018--borderline receptive--12 more hours of progesterone
Abnormal SIS Oct 2018
Repeat hysteroscopy Nov 1. Treated recurring endometritis.
12/4/18 FET #3 (2 embryos)--BFN
Our journey has come to an end.
Beloved SS: born 12/2011
TTC my bio #1/our #2 since January 2016
**TW** June 2016 had CP **end TW**
August 2016 - dx with DOR
Somewhere in here received recommendation to do IVF with donor eggs, elected not to; OH dx with Low T
May 2017 - began freezing sperm
June 2017 - OH began treatment for Low T
July 2017 - began doing 1 IUI via a midwife and 1 at home insemination each cycle
http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/6259ba
July 2018 - exhausted frozen sperm, officially NTNP since OH is probably shooting blanks
So - I posted yesterday that my BW was back... the most striking numbers were that my FSH was 3.5 while my LH was 9.7, and my testosterone was 2.1. So, I went back into the clinic today to see the doctor who ordered the tests (she had said she didn't need the tests to confirm PCOS, which had annoyed me then, but the fact that I had a history of polycystic ovaries and the irregular cycles was enough... but we would do the BW and if anything came back out of range, refer me to a specialist). She is on vacation for a few weeks, so they scheduled me to see someone else. It was beyond infuriating, so here is a list of the BS he told me:
- My LH is fine - he didn't care that it was out of the range for CD3 even according to the lab
- LH:FSH doesn't matter at all - in fact he brushed my comment about this off completely
- The elevated hormones and irregular periods aren't enough to convince him I have PCOS, so now he wants an U/S BEFORE he'll do a referral
- PCOS is nothing - I had asked about what doctors were the best for PCOS patients, and he said PCOS is nothing, they never refer people for just PCOS
Are you F*ing kidding me??? This is becoming such a nightmare and it's only the beginning... I do have an appointment with my naturopath who said there are more options we can try to get me KU faster, which at least is something. This guy acted like I was a stupid little girl who didn't understand what happens with her body. F me. Seriously.Dating since: 11/17/2001
Married: 9/26/2009
TTC: June 2016
EDD: 5/14/2018
@beanship Not a huge fan of monitors, but I'm a huge fan of the idea of cocktails! I have added vodka to my Pom juice, because it's Pom juice. Also- my H was a lot more "relaxed" about everything, and assumed there wasn't an issue, until he heard it from the RE's mouth. If it's possible to schedule appointments when your husband can be there, I'd probably do that.
@Pinky917 Sorry this cycle was a bust!
@WillRunForWine21 That sucks that the timing was the best. It only takes 1 sperm though, so fingers crossed!!
@laurad75 phew!! Glad that the imaging came out clear!
@hollyyyyy I haven't heard of "debris" either.keep us updated!
@KariAnn323 I don't have any insight into your specifics, but I second what @laurad75 said, you should advocate for yourself! Even if it is completely covered, YOU are the patient and you know your body better than anyone!
@Aurora1973 Love the gif. I wouldn't even know where to begin finding one- good luck!!
@Sailing_Mama I would be pissed. Actually, I am pissed for you! I would email your dr and get their opinion. And then maybe even get a second opinion? That's so obnoxious. Sorry, friend.
I have been off of TB for a few days, but LOVED coming back to some unicorns!!!
Cycle/CD: month 20 ugh, CD 18
Any questions?
GTKY: Tell me about something fun that you're doing this week! We had a BBQ for the 4th which was nice. Our dogs hated the fireworks though. Makes me feel so bad for them!
@aurora1973 Where do you find these gifs and pics? You are the queen.
@Redpuma119 I live close to Disney so my puppy hears fireworks every night. Most of the 4th of July ones didn't bother her but some did so they must have sounded weird to her
Cycle/CD: 6/7
GTKY: Tell me about something fun that you're doing this week!
My BIL is having a BBQ this weekend. And tomorrow DH and I are both off work, so we are going to breakfast and shopping.
@Sailing_Mama, that is awful. Hopefully the doctor tomorrow will be more helpful
@laurad75 , sorry they made you wait so long, but glad it was all good!
TTC since June 2016
Azoospermia diagnosis (zero count) Dec 2016
AZFc chromosome microdeletion discovery March 2017
Unsuccessful TESE for DH in August 2017
October 2017 IVF with donor sperm
29R, 24M, 16F, 2d5, 4d6 (6 embryos total)
Only 3 could have PGS. 2/3 normal. 5 embies frozen
12/15/17 FET #1 (1 embryo)--CP
2/7/17 FET #2 (2 embryos)--BFN
Chronic endometritis diagnosis May 2018
ERA Sept 2018--borderline receptive--12 more hours of progesterone
Abnormal SIS Oct 2018
Repeat hysteroscopy Nov 1. Treated recurring endometritis.
12/4/18 FET #3 (2 embryos)--BFN
Our journey has come to an end.
@Redpuma119 I definitely plan on advocating for myself I just feel more confident if I know what I should be advocating for. I plan on requesting an RE referral, and I'm sending an email to the RE's office (there's only one in the area) to find out what initial testing he would want to have done and if my OB could order the testing so we can be proactive. I'm just not sure what else I should be advocating for. Based on the fact that my OB is saying that 4.6 is only slightly low and based on all information I've seen it's more of an issue than that, I feel like if I'm going to be successful in advocating for myself I need to know what I need to be pushing for. I don't know I just feel like saying "I feel like we should be doing A, B, and C." will be more convincing than "Something is wrong, do something." I'm sorry, I'm just aggravated about the wait, the lack of concern, and the lack of answers (not from you awesome ladies, from my OB's office).
Dating: 2/2007 Married: 4/2011
TTC #1: 9/2016
*TW*
BFP #2: 3/9/2017 - CP: 3/10/2017
08/2017: DH's SA = normal
08/2017: Low progesterone (4.6) all other BW normal
11/2017: HSG Clear; Pelvic Ultrasound Normal; and AMH, FSH, and Estradiol normal
12/2017: 1,000mg Metformin
12/2017: 50mg Clomid + TI = BFN
01/2018: 100mg Clomid + TI = BFN
01/2018: RE Consult
03/2018: 5mg Letrozole + 50 units Gonal-F + 500 μg Ovidrel + IUI = BFP #3: 4/1/2018 - CP: 4/4/2018
04/2018: 5mg Letrozole + Gonal-F + Ovidrel + IUI = BFP #4: 5/2/18
That doc is crazy.
And I am completely infuriated for you. I hope the other doctor comes back soon and straightens things out. I have had a couple doctors tell me that I didn't have PCOS before I finally got my dx. Their test interpretations said I did not have PCOS, but my ovaries determined that was a lie. Hang in there. I'm sorry you're putting up with that BS.
@holly321 I took my Clomid in the evening and still had side effects the whole month.
Married 07/2012
DD born 07/2014
DD2 born 10/2018
DS born 10/2022
IF history:
TTC #2 since January 2016
June-Aug 2017: 3 IUIs w/Clomid = BFN
Sept 2017: Dx w/Endometriosis
Oct 2017: IUI w/Letrozole = BFN
Nov 2017: IUI w/Letrozole = BFN
Dec 2017: pre-IVF testing
Jan-Feb 2018: IVF--17 eggs retrieved, 13 fertilized, 9 frozen and 1 transferred on 2/10 = BFP on 2/19!!! EDD 10/29/2018
FET Oct 2021: BFP on 10/31! MC at 5 weeks
FET Feb 2022: BFP on 2/15! EDD 10/29/22
@Redpuma119 Well, the only place we've found tanks (called Dewar tanks, in case you were curious) was for purchase on Amazon. Apparently the closest place that rents them is like 400 miles away. So we're probably going to buy.
@adirat Aw, thanks! I Google whatever it is I'm looking for and click on images. In this case, I looked for turkey baster gifs, LOL. Who would ever have thought that I would be searching that term?!?
Also, I do sorta see myself that way, LOL. OH calls himself the king, and I remind him that the queen is the one who really is in charge. I've always liked this:
Beloved SS: born 12/2011
TTC my bio #1/our #2 since January 2016
**TW** June 2016 had CP **end TW**
August 2016 - dx with DOR
Somewhere in here received recommendation to do IVF with donor eggs, elected not to; OH dx with Low T
May 2017 - began freezing sperm
June 2017 - OH began treatment for Low T
July 2017 - began doing 1 IUI via a midwife and 1 at home insemination each cycle
http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/6259ba
July 2018 - exhausted frozen sperm, officially NTNP since OH is probably shooting blanks
In staying with the queen theme, this is what I have to say to that doctor:
Beloved SS: born 12/2011
TTC my bio #1/our #2 since January 2016
**TW** June 2016 had CP **end TW**
August 2016 - dx with DOR
Somewhere in here received recommendation to do IVF with donor eggs, elected not to; OH dx with Low T
May 2017 - began freezing sperm
June 2017 - OH began treatment for Low T
July 2017 - began doing 1 IUI via a midwife and 1 at home insemination each cycle
http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/6259ba
July 2018 - exhausted frozen sperm, officially NTNP since OH is probably shooting blanks
Married 07/2012
DD born 07/2014
DD2 born 10/2018
DS born 10/2022
IF history:
TTC #2 since January 2016
June-Aug 2017: 3 IUIs w/Clomid = BFN
Sept 2017: Dx w/Endometriosis
Oct 2017: IUI w/Letrozole = BFN
Nov 2017: IUI w/Letrozole = BFN
Dec 2017: pre-IVF testing
Jan-Feb 2018: IVF--17 eggs retrieved, 13 fertilized, 9 frozen and 1 transferred on 2/10 = BFP on 2/19!!! EDD 10/29/2018
FET Oct 2021: BFP on 10/31! MC at 5 weeks
FET Feb 2022: BFP on 2/15! EDD 10/29/22
I'm a little stressed right now. I went in for my follicle scan. CD12 my lining is at a 8, I have one follicle on my right ovary at 17.5 and one on my left ovary at 16.5. I have a couple others but they don't care about those. So we sat down with the nurse who wants me to take the trigger shot Sunday night. I can feel my body gearing up to O (CM changes) so I asked if I got a positive opk before that what do I do. If I have a positive opk tomorrow she told me to go ahead and take the trigger shot Saturday night. Well I got home after my appointment and I took an opk and it was positive. So I called them up asking and the other nurse told me that my follicles are too small and they think that it might be a false surge. OK- I can understand that. So I asked if it's still positive tomorrow if I should take the trigger shot. That nurse told me normally they don't have you take the trigger if your body is surging because that's just exactly what the shot will do. UH that's not what the other nurse said. Can you guys get it together and not give out different information. So I'll take another OPK tonight and tomorrow and if those are positive I'll give the trigger shot tomorrow night which is what I discussed with the first nurse. At this point I don't care if the shot is pointless I don't want to miss anything. We are just doing TI so I don't have to worry about scheduling an IUI but it shouldn't have to be so frustrating.
He agreed that obviously the LH was high, and the LH:FSH ratio was off, both based on CD3.
He also agreed to do the referral right away (like, is doing it tonight), and when I told him I had an OBGYN picked out because the other doctor told me to, since 'PCOS is nothing' and they 'don't refer' for just PCOS - he said "No, you should see an OBGYN for that" and looked confused at the other doctor.
Plus, he actually signed the U/S requisition - and redid it. I didn't even realize that the first doctor put something like 'patients suspects PCOS' as the reason for test, so he just put 'PCOS'
Thanks for all the support and encouraging me to stand my ground
@mispanda ugh! That's so frustrating! They really need to be giving the same info!
@Sailing_Mama I'm so glad this appt went better!!