June 2016 Moms

May 2017 Pre/TTC & Grad Check-In

*We had so many fabulous April check-ins! Thought I'd get the ball rolling on May so that you lovely ladies can keep us updated!*

Welcome to the monthly pre-TTC, TTC, and TTC Grad check-in. This board is designed to allow those of us considering our next child to update the other members of June 2016 on that journey. Please feel free to post often in this board, updating as the month goes on if your status or details change, or if you have anything inspiring/sassy/a fun gif/etc to add. We are here to provide each other with support, comfort, non-medical answers, and help with the BSC symptom spotting that we know can happen.


*Status: Pre-TTC, TTC, KU


For Pre-TTC -

*How long until TTC begins?

*How is the wait going?

*General questions, updates, r/r


For TTC -

*What month/cycle?

*(If you're comfortable) What are you doing to get KU?

*Any symptom spotting chart stalking craziness we can help with?

*General questions, updates, r/r


For KU -

*(If this is your first post after your BFP) When did you find out you were pregnant? How did you tell your SO this time around? Feel free to share any other details you're comfortable with (what were you doing to get KU, how long were you trying this time, etc)

*How far along are you/when are you due?

*Future or recent appointment updates?

*Team Pink or Blue?

*How is this pregnancy different from/similar to June '16?

*General questions, updates, r/r

Me: 32 DH: 31 *The old lady by 5 whole weeks*
Married: 11/2013
M: 6/2016  E: 5/2018

Re: May 2017 Pre/TTC & Grad Check-In

  • Tawny87Tawny87 member
    egirl1025 said:
    Officially KU!  5+3 weeks. Just found out last night.  DH knew I was going to POAS so nothing to exciting there.  We are both feeling a little scared since I am a geriatric according to the world, at 36... Lol.  Want to ensure that all goes well and that the baby cooks long enough.  Tristan came at 36+5 and we don't want a repeat.  We were on month 4 of trying which was exactly the same as last time.  From our experience it is much more about timing versus how many times.  

    EDD is currently 1/1/2018

    We are definitely not team green, but do not have a preference for one over the other.

    At this point nothing is too different.  Bloating and some cramping seems to be the biggest symptoms.  My milk supply has gone down a little, but I only have one month to go...I may be limping across that finish line with frozen milk if/when morning sickness kicks in.

    As I mentioned in the other thread my OB is monitoring my hormone levels due to the light spotting I had this week, but so far levels look good.  Looking forward to my first ultrasound.
    NYD due date, that's pretty awesome!
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  • meggymemeggyme member
    @egirl1025 congrats to you and your growing family!
    DD1: June '16 DD2: March ‘19 :::: Married since 2011 :::: USN Wife ::::
  • @egirl1025 congrats!! Come play wth me in December! Lol.

    Since I never really did an update beyond "I had drunk bday sex unprotected one time and got KU".... lol.

    Im 7+2 I think?? Hah. EDD 12/21
    i kind of bombarded DH when he came home, and said "surprise!! Our drunk shenanigans got us pregnant!" Or something to that effect. He was not happy at first but now he is BEYOND excited!
    We just want healthy. But we are finding out. No preference, although as convenient as another girl would be, a little boy would carry on the last name. Lol. 
    My first appointment is 5/15, and I'm very excited :) as weird as it sounds, my obgyn and his team is amazing and I've definitely missed them. Haha.
    So far, this pregnancy has been mildly different. Morning sickness hit me this last week. Same with food aversions. Also I've been unable to stay asleep which didn't hit me until 3rd tri last time. 

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  • I haven't actually completed the check-in for awhile as I had nothing to update, but I feel like posting to just get some things off my chest. You ladies are such good listeners (readers?), but this will be long, so feel free to skip/skim

    Status: Pre-TTC 

    *How long until TTC begins? We've agreed on at least one more and we've agreed they should be fairly close together sooooo soon? Next cycle? I've got a longer cycle, around 35 days average chart last time we were TTC and I'm due to ovulate any day now. So next cycle would give us the start of the time frame we're looking for. But then again, who knows

    *How is the wait going? It's going. Personally I'm excited to be pregnant again, but then again, there are lots of complications

    *General questions, updates, r/r Ok, here goes, finally got the official green light on the existence of baby 2 for us. When it was all a hypothetical still in discussions last year, we knew that if we decided yes, we wanted to be jumping back on the horse around Miles's 1st birthday. Things have been a little rough for me mentally and emotionally since that time though. I'm still having a hard time being back at work, even though it's been 8 1/2 months. I feel like a completely different person at my job compared to when I'm at home, and I know a lot of people like that feeling, but it hurts me, every day. I've had a couple of complete breaks in front of DH, most recently about 2 weeks ago when I came home from work bawling because I was offered a promotion that would most likely result in more work, stress, and longer hours. It's a great career move and one that I was really expected to take or it would likely result in a lot of commitment questions from my managers. As it is, I'm already usually at my desk until 5:30-45 and clocking a few hours from home most weekends and a couple weeknights. It's exhausting and frankly depressing when I show up at my parents house to pick up Miles for the day to have my father try to give me tips on all of the things that Miles likes to play, watch, and eat. DH understands my emotional struggles and admits that my salary probably isn't necessary, but has stated that my quitting and lifting that hardship off of me would basically put it on him in worry and responsibility and he's not comfortable with that. However he is comfortable being a bit of a sour puss about needing to do chores in the evening and through the entire weekend because I just don't have the arms or hours in the day to keep up with the dishes and laundry all on my own. Adding to that, Miles isn't sleeping well again and still won't settle unless I'm the one comforting him. With his high-needs night schedule and my emotional imbalance, I know my DH must be thinking we would be crazy to try for another right now. Part of me agrees, and another thinks that 9 months is a long time to figure that all out, lots can change in that time. Either way, I wasn't quite ready to deal with the discussion of when last weekend when we finally decided yes to another. That part exhausted me enough 

    Me: 32 DH: 31 *The old lady by 5 whole weeks*
    Married: 11/2013
    M: 6/2016  E: 5/2018
  • sdLindenberg said: 
    @egirl1025 congrats!! Come play wth me in December! Lol.


    STUCK IN BOX!!  AHHHHHH!

    Thanks @sdLindenberg!  We are getting pretty excited at our house.  I should come over to December.  I haven't decided on the Jan 18 group yet.  They are Uber-organized and very anal about it.  A random thread that goes for 6 months probably wouldn't fly.  Oh well, to each there own.  I am not going to be the one to mess with their system!  If I go early like I did last time I will have a mid-December baby.  Merry Christmas to us!

    Every time I eat now, I wonder to myself if this will be the last meal I enjoy for awhile.  Will this be the day morning sickness kicks me in the butt?
  • @art+lea2013 hang in there!  Whatever you decide you have you and your family's best interest at heart and that is the most you can do.  I know for DH and I we are concerned about how having another will affect the relationship we are building with Tristan.  We don't want him to get lost in the shuffle.  I don't want to think it can happen, but is something in the back of my mind when I am playing with him, putting him to sleep... How will all this change as I become more pregnant and have another LO.  Take your time and good luck!
  • lm45678lm45678 member
    I haven't actually completed the check-in for awhile as I had nothing to update, but I feel like posting to just get some things off my chest. You ladies are such good listeners (readers?), but this will be long, so feel free to skip/skim

    Status: Pre-TTC 

    *How long until TTC begins? We've agreed on at least one more and we've agreed they should be fairly close together sooooo soon? Next cycle? I've got a longer cycle, around 35 days average chart last time we were TTC and I'm due to ovulate any day now. So next cycle would give us the start of the time frame we're looking for. But then again, who knows

    *How is the wait going? It's going. Personally I'm excited to be pregnant again, but then again, there are lots of complications

    *General questions, updates, r/r Ok, here goes, finally got the official green light on the existence of baby 2 for us. When it was all a hypothetical still in discussions last year, we knew that if we decided yes, we wanted to be jumping back on the horse around Miles's 1st birthday. Things have been a little rough for me mentally and emotionally since that time though. I'm still having a hard time being back at work, even though it's been 8 1/2 months. I feel like a completely different person at my job compared to when I'm at home, and I know a lot of people like that feeling, but it hurts me, every day. I've had a couple of complete breaks in front of DH, most recently about 2 weeks ago when I came home from work bawling because I was offered a promotion that would most likely result in more work, stress, and longer hours. It's a great career move and one that I was really expected to take or it would likely result in a lot of commitment questions from my managers. As it is, I'm already usually at my desk until 5:30-45 and clocking a few hours from home most weekends and a couple weeknights. It's exhausting and frankly depressing when I show up at my parents house to pick up Miles for the day to have my father try to give me tips on all of the things that Miles likes to play, watch, and eat. DH understands my emotional struggles and admits that my salary probably isn't necessary, but has stated that my quitting and lifting that hardship off of me would basically put it on him in worry and responsibility and he's not comfortable with that. However he is comfortable being a bit of a sour puss about needing to do chores in the evening and through the entire weekend because I just don't have the arms or hours in the day to keep up with the dishes and laundry all on my own. Adding to that, Miles isn't sleeping well again and still won't settle unless I'm the one comforting him. With his high-needs night schedule and my emotional imbalance, I know my DH must be thinking we would be crazy to try for another right now. Part of me agrees, and another thinks that 9 months is a long time to figure that all out, lots can change in that time. Either way, I wasn't quite ready to deal with the discussion of when last weekend when we finally decided yes to another. That part exhausted me enough 

    Hang in there!

    While our situations aren't exactly the same I too have been struggling with my inability to keep up around the house and my time away from Savannah. She is also very needy at night and only wants me, not to mention she also won't sleep in her crib right now (she's had 5 teeth break through in about 2.5 weeks) so we are now co-sleeping. A big source of my anxiety is my trip to Paris without her in 2 weeks.

    I have decided to see a therapist once a week and it really is helping me, so I would recommend looking into that to help get you to where you want to be emotionally.

    DH and I also wanted kids close together but his business really plummeted a year  ago and now he's back in school so it's going to have to wait awhile. It took me a long time to get over the grief of not having the family I imagined I would have. I honestly felt sort of heartbroken about the fact that I wouldn't have another baby for a long time. But now I actually am happy with our decision. I love that savannah will be my whole world for longer, that I'll have my body back (no pregnancy or nursing for awhile). And that we get to spend more time as a family of 3. I love how easy to is to bring her places and can't imagine adding a newborn into that mix. And I love not having another 1400$ daycare bill.

    Making the right decision for our families is tough- but I think you should take a step back, weigh the pros and cons. And definitely try talking to someone who can help to put things into perspective:)
    Me (31) & DH (32)
    Married 9/27/2014
    DD Born 6/23/16
    Baby #2 Due 3/7/20
  • Tawny87Tawny87 member
    I haven't actually completed the check-in for awhile as I had nothing to update, but I feel like posting to just get some things off my chest. You ladies are such good listeners (readers?), but this will be long, so feel free to skip/skim

    Status: Pre-TTC 

    *How long until TTC begins? We've agreed on at least one more and we've agreed they should be fairly close together sooooo soon? Next cycle? I've got a longer cycle, around 35 days average chart last time we were TTC and I'm due to ovulate any day now. So next cycle would give us the start of the time frame we're looking for. But then again, who knows

    *How is the wait going? It's going. Personally I'm excited to be pregnant again, but then again, there are lots of complications

    *General questions, updates, r/r Ok, here goes, finally got the official green light on the existence of baby 2 for us. When it was all a hypothetical still in discussions last year, we knew that if we decided yes, we wanted to be jumping back on the horse around Miles's 1st birthday. Things have been a little rough for me mentally and emotionally since that time though. I'm still having a hard time being back at work, even though it's been 8 1/2 months. I feel like a completely different person at my job compared to when I'm at home, and I know a lot of people like that feeling, but it hurts me, every day. I've had a couple of complete breaks in front of DH, most recently about 2 weeks ago when I came home from work bawling because I was offered a promotion that would most likely result in more work, stress, and longer hours. It's a great career move and one that I was really expected to take or it would likely result in a lot of commitment questions from my managers. As it is, I'm already usually at my desk until 5:30-45 and clocking a few hours from home most weekends and a couple weeknights. It's exhausting and frankly depressing when I show up at my parents house to pick up Miles for the day to have my father try to give me tips on all of the things that Miles likes to play, watch, and eat. DH understands my emotional struggles and admits that my salary probably isn't necessary, but has stated that my quitting and lifting that hardship off of me would basically put it on him in worry and responsibility and he's not comfortable with that. However he is comfortable being a bit of a sour puss about needing to do chores in the evening and through the entire weekend because I just don't have the arms or hours in the day to keep up with the dishes and laundry all on my own. Adding to that, Miles isn't sleeping well again and still won't settle unless I'm the one comforting him. With his high-needs night schedule and my emotional imbalance, I know my DH must be thinking we would be crazy to try for another right now. Part of me agrees, and another thinks that 9 months is a long time to figure that all out, lots can change in that time. Either way, I wasn't quite ready to deal with the discussion of when last weekend when we @laurenm2123 decided yes to another. That part exhausted me enough 

    I'm sorry you are having such a rough
    time. I think @ laurenm2123 suggestion has merit. Maybe a therapist can help you sort out your feelings and where you want to go. For the ladies who have decided to wait a bit, waiting isn't such a bad thing, I honestly wish I had a bit more spacing between my daughters and Cameron. 3 under 3 was no joke, but I imagine 2 under 3 is trying as well! 
  • @egirl1025 I'm finding ALL the boards crazy organized (insert eye roll.... lol) December gets a new Randoms thread every week, same with symptoms, FTM questions for STM's, etc. Its a little much if you ask me, but apparently thats how these parts roll I guess. Although its neat to see that the Due Date Spreadsheet that our BMB started has stuck around :) 

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  • You ladies are the bomb, thanks for reading through my Dear Diary and coming up with good advice, as always. I think I'm going to start with talking to DH again about my problems again and how best to handle these issues going forward. Having a regular outlet for them, like a therapist, may end up being best. Also, getting sleep might help  ;)
    Me: 32 DH: 31 *The old lady by 5 whole weeks*
    Married: 11/2013
    M: 6/2016  E: 5/2018
  • meggymemeggyme member
    Tawny87 said:
    @egirl1025 I'm finding ALL the boards crazy organized (insert eye roll.... lol) December gets a new Randoms thread every week, same with symptoms, FTM questions for STM's, etc. Its a little much if you ask me, but apparently thats how these parts roll I guess. Although its neat to see that the Due Date Spreadsheet that our BMB started has stuck around :) 
    Obviously June '16 is where it's at ; )!

    I remember there being a handful of crazies early on here too.... luckily we ended up with an awesome no-drama group.
    DD1: June '16 DD2: March ‘19 :::: Married since 2011 :::: USN Wife ::::
  • meggyme said:
    Tawny87 said:
    @egirl1025 I'm finding ALL the boards crazy organized (insert eye roll.... lol) December gets a new Randoms thread every week, same with symptoms, FTM questions for STM's, etc. Its a little much if you ask me, but apparently thats how these parts roll I guess. Although its neat to see that the Due Date Spreadsheet that our BMB started has stuck around :) 
    Obviously June '16 is where it's at ; )!

    I remember there being a handful of crazies early on here too.... luckily we ended up with an awesome no-drama group.
    That we did, until another board decided to stir the pot... lol. But it backfired on them, actually...

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  • I lurked on Dec '17 board the other day and it looks like you have already had some fun drama going there.  Of course it had to be someone from my home state of WI to stir it up...geez!  Way to make us look intelligent!!
  • meggymemeggyme member
    @Lizbeth86 congrats! What a great Mother's Day surprise!
    DD1: June '16 DD2: March ‘19 :::: Married since 2011 :::: USN Wife ::::
  • Tawny87Tawny87 member
    Lizbeth86 said:
    Ok I'm joining in : ) DH and I just started sort of trying this month. We really don't know what "trying" means bc we got pregnant so fast the first time. Well sure enough my period hasn't been arriving so I took a first response test yesterday and the second line was so faint that i thought it was negative. But still no period so I took a clearblue digital this morning and it said pregnant. So I'm assuming I'm pregnant even though I'm not 100% sure. I may go get another brand and test again to be sure lol.

    With our first DH was there when I took the test but that was when I was like 3 days late and this time I couldn't wait! But I knew an earlier test was more likely to be negative so I took it on my own.

    So this morning I wrote a note to DH from the new baby lol. Asking him to get a minivan bc big sis won't move from her place in his truck. And also to get her off Mommy's boobies so he / she can eat haha! Poor DH thought the note was from LO (big sis now!) and was so confused, then he was in shock that it happened so fast! Then he was shaking his head and hugging me saying God is good : )
    Congrats!!! Happy Mother's Day! There must be something in the june'16 water...
  • meggyme said:
    @Lizbeth86 congrats! What a great Mother's Day surprise!
    Thanks! I'm sorry I just checked in now, I was going to do it after my period got here and ask for any ttc tips for next cycle, haha. I still will feel better after my first doctor's appt...
  • Lizbeth86 said: 
    meggyme said:
    @Lizbeth86 congrats! What a great Mother's Day surprise!
    Thanks! I'm sorry I just checked in now, I was going to do it after my period got here and ask for any ttc tips for next cycle, haha. I still will feel better after my first doctor's appt...
    Congrats!!  Will we be seeing you in January '18?
  • egirl1025 said:
    Lizbeth86 said: 
    meggyme said:
    @Lizbeth86 congrats! What a great Mother's Day surprise!
    Thanks! I'm sorry I just checked in now, I was going to do it after my period got here and ask for any ttc tips for next cycle, haha. I still will feel better after my first doctor's appt...
    Congrats!!  Will we be seeing you in January '18?
    Thanks! I guess I will join the January '18 group but I'm intimidated by all the rules?! Why don't people like random threads?
  • Lizbeth86 said:
    egirl1025 said:
    Lizbeth86 said: 
    meggyme said:
    @Lizbeth86 congrats! What a great Mother's Day surprise!
    Thanks! I'm sorry I just checked in now, I was going to do it after my period got here and ask for any ttc tips for next cycle, haha. I still will feel better after my first doctor's appt...
    Congrats!!  Will we be seeing you in January '18?
    Thanks! I guess I will join the January '18 group but I'm intimidated by all the rules?! Why don't people like random threads?
    No Idea....I am just dipping my toes in...didn't think it would be as scary this time joining, but yes I am very wary of all the different rules.  I don't want to break any.
  • Status: pre-TTC

    *How long until TTC begins? We have been talking about trying in November. That will put 2yrs 2months between Addysyn and baby. Our oldest, Carsyn, and Addysyn are about 2years 2months apart. 

    *How is the wait going? It's going good. We were thinking about waiting 4 years between Addysyn and another one but with my dad passing away this past December (from a 6 year cancer battle), we decided that life is too short and God has control of our life and if it is meant to be it will be. Plus I am now a stay at home mom, my husband is a farmer. So I think it would be good to add another child to our family! We want 4 total. So, we will see!

    *General questions, updates, r/r: we are excited and just in the planning stage but we have a pretty neat thing going with our kid's birthdays 4/2014 & 6/2016. So we will be going for a 8/2018. However, we will see what God has in store for our growing family! Plus we are currently in the beginning stages of building our dream home!! Lots of things going on around here! 

  • An update for me: first, I accepted the job, it just made too much sense no matter the next step in my life. While I was talking through job details I did manage to wrangle one permanent work from home day a week. It should help me stay a little more organized at home and give me back some of the time I was anxious about. I spoke with DH again about my daily struggles and TTC goals/fears. We've agreed to clear it from our minds for a few weeks and revisit once I've settled into my new weekly routine. Also, I've gotten more than 3 hours of sleep a night since then, so that has helped  ;)
    Me: 32 DH: 31 *The old lady by 5 whole weeks*
    Married: 11/2013
    M: 6/2016  E: 5/2018
  • Tawny87Tawny87 member
    An update for me: first, I accepted the job, it just made too much sense no matter the next step in my life. While I was talking through job details I did manage to wrangle one permanent work from home day a week. It should help me stay a little more organized at home and give me back some of the time I was anxious about. I spoke with DH again about my daily struggles and TTC goals/fears. We've agreed to clear it from our minds for a few weeks and revisit once I've settled into my new weekly routine. Also, I've gotten more than 3 hours of sleep a night since then, so that has helped  ;)
    Glad you are feeling better!
  • lm45678lm45678 member
    An update for me: first, I accepted the job, it just made too much sense no matter the next step in my life. While I was talking through job details I did manage to wrangle one permanent work from home day a week. It should help me stay a little more organized at home and give me back some of the time I was anxious about. I spoke with DH again about my daily struggles and TTC goals/fears. We've agreed to clear it from our minds for a few weeks and revisit once I've settled into my new weekly routine. Also, I've gotten more than 3 hours of sleep a night since then, so that has helped  ;)
    Glad you feel better! Sleep really makes such a huge difference and I think it's easy to forget how sleep deprived we all are. You're a totally different person without sleep!
     Fingers crossed that the job goes well and you enjoy your new role!
    Me (31) & DH (32)
    Married 9/27/2014
    DD Born 6/23/16
    Baby #2 Due 3/7/20
  • An update for me: first, I accepted the job, it just made too much sense no matter the next step in my life. While I was talking through job details I did manage to wrangle one permanent work from home day a week. It should help me stay a little more organized at home and give me back some of the time I was anxious about. I spoke with DH again about my daily struggles and TTC goals/fears. We've agreed to clear it from our minds for a few weeks and revisit once I've settled into my new weekly routine. Also, I've gotten more than 3 hours of sleep a night since then, so that has helped  ;)
    I'm so glad you're feeling better! (And getting sleep) 
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  • Lizbeth86Lizbeth86 member
    edited May 2017
    I had to tell my boss at work that I'm pregnant already... we were planning a work trip to a country with a high Zika risk... I didn't realize it was still such a big concern until I got my BFP  and started browsing government travel and CDC websites. Yikes!
    So, not really the timing I wanted to tell anyone this news, but I guess it had to be done. And DH is relieved that I'm not leaving him with LO for almost a week haha.
  • I just got back from my first trip away from LO and I cried everyday...he would kiss DHs phone during our video chats and he would smile big, but really not the same as holding him in my arms.  I have a longer trip coming up in June and I just don't know how I am going to survive.  At least I hope to be done pumping :)  We are starting milk transition this weekend. Yay!!  It was a lot of work to ensure I had milk to bring back home.  Plus pumping and nausea just don't mix.
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    *How long until TTC begins? We want one more and fairly soon we talked about starting to try when DD is 1 1/2 and I'd like to be pregnant by her second birthday 

    *How is the wait going? Good as my daughters 1st birthday approaches I'm starting to get baby fever badly though I know it's better for us if we wait a few more months 

    *General questions, updates, r/r since going off birth control my cycle is off and I'm due for my period and haven't gotten it so I took a test today a first response digital and got a false positive I think because I took a clear blue digital and got a negative. Planning on testing again in the morning to make sure but it was strange I've never gotten a false positive or negative before. 

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  • Tawny87Tawny87 member


    *How long until TTC begins? We want one more and fairly soon we talked about starting to try when DD is 1 1/2 and I'd like to be pregnant by her second birthday 

    *How is the wait going? Good as my daughters 1st birthday approaches I'm starting to get baby fever badly though I know it's better for us if we wait a few more months 

    *General questions, updates, r/r since going off birth control my cycle is off and I'm due for my period and haven't gotten it so I took a test today a first response digital and got a false positive I think because I took a clear blue digital and got a negative. Planning on testing again in the morning to make sure but it was strange I've never gotten a false positive or negative before. 

    I've heard that there is no such thing as a "false positive" but you can definitely get negatives if a test is not sensitive enough. Good luck on the test, we look forward to hearing the final result!
  • Yeah I'm not sure if it was a defective test because first a question mark came up and stayed on like 10 minutes then after that my husband opened the test then closed it again and then yes came up but had a clock next to it? It was strange so I bought
    a different brand and got a negative but am still unsure because it's late in the day and I have no clue where I am in my cycle because while I was on birth control I would bleed halfway thru my pack and it would last till my sugar pills which is why I went off it. 
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  • Tawny87Tawny87 member
    Yeah I'm not sure if it was a defective test because first a question mark came up and stayed on like 10 minutes then after that my husband opened the test then closed it again and then yes came up but had a clock next to it? It was strange so I bought
    a different brand and got a negative but am still unsure because it's late in the day and I have no clue where I am in my cycle because while I was on birth control I would bleed halfway thru my pack and it would last till my sugar pills which is why I went off it. 
    Interesting. Yeah definitely test again after a bit, it's always frusterating when you just want to know!
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