3rd Trimester Weekly Check-in - Week of 10th April

teebric

This is a weekly check in for the mommies who have made it to the 3rd trimester!!! If you are in week 28 or past, feel free to join in on the weekly fun.

If you're just joining us, please post a mini synopsis in your first post with your EDD, how many beans, if you know the sex(es) and how you have been feeling in your 3rd trimester along with any appointments you may have this week or had recently.

QOTW: Food! Have you had any cravings in the third tri? Do you have certain foods that are your go-to comfort foods? Are you indulging in anything that you normally wouldn't? Let us know! 

If you have updated bump pics, please share! We love seeing these baby bellies!!! Or if you'd like to share a pic of your little one's nursery, feel free to share that cuteness as well!

3rd Trimester mommies and their little bundles:

@Happydays13 EDD 4/5/17 with 2 little girls
@Knottie36622473 EDD 4/13/17 with a little girl
@babylonghorn16 EDD 4/16/17 with a little surprise bean
@teriulbricht EDD 5/1/17 with little boy
@flanners1 EDD 5/3/17 with a little girl
@BlueEyedDreamer EDD 5/5/17 with a little boy
@pnw12rn EDD 5/8/17 with a little girl
@cato99 EDD 5/8/17 with a little girl
@kelrauh EDD 5/9/17 with boy/girl twins
@marissy8 EDD 5/21/17 with a little girl
@wifeinraleigh28 EDD 6/3/17 with a little girl
@beckij34 EDD 6/13/17 with a little boy
@JaneJane EDD 6/14/17 with twin boys
@kdanjou EDD 6/19/17 with a little girl
@rmarble23 EDD 6/20/17 with a little girl

teebric

Hey ladies! I almost forgot to start the post this week! I'll just go ahead and blame baby brain! 
37 weeks here! So close! I found out all my tests/bloods last week came back normal so that's good news! I am feeling a little better this week, that being said I spent the majority of today on self-appointed bed rest and it felt good to just chill-out! This week I think I'll do another self-care day and get my eyebrows waxed and tinted, I might even treat myself to a pedicure! 
QOTW - it's been cooling down over here in Aus, so I've been indulging in hot chocolates at least once, and sometimes twice a day. I haven't had any weird cravings during this pregnancy but the last few weeks I've been drinking a lot of OJ which I don't normally do. Coming up to Easter weekend has meant that our household has had lots of those yummy mini chocolate eggs which I've eaten way too many of! Has anyone else slacked a little on the food restrictions as they've gotten closer to EDD? 

janejane-2

Hi all! Currently 30 + 5 days. Writing this update from a hospital bed. Had another scare late last week (bleeding). Dr.'s have been keeping me to monitor. Twins look good. No more bleeding. I did have some contractions but they are now gone. Hoping to make it to 35 weeks at a minimum. Fingers crossed. 

@teriulbricht - i am all for self care! Love that you're giving yourself self-appointed bed rest, that's an awesome idea. 

wifeinraleigh28

Hello all! I'm 32 + 2 today and actually feeling quite good after a decent night's sleep last night!  My carpal tunnel comes and goes, and last night while I still felt it mildly whenever I would wake up to pee, it wasn't excruciating like it has been some nights. I feel very well rested and I have more energy today than I've had in awhile. It's a good thing too because I've got a pretty busy work day today.

I have my first NST appointment on Wednesday. I have a feeling all is well, so it will be nice to see what this baby is up to while I'm hooked up to the monitors. If all looks good, I'll feel pretty good about discussing alternatives to induction with my OB after. *Knock on wood* but I haven't had a single problem/complication this entire pregnancy and my gut is just telling me that I should be able to have this baby normally without being induced. We'll see what she says, but I have a feeling she's going to defer me to my high risk doctor to have that conversation. I'll be seeing the MFM on May 4th for another growth scan so I can always discuss it with her then.

I went to the chiropractor this morning and she always works on my round ligaments which feels so much better after. As she was feeling around my uterus she said that the baby is now head down, so if she's right, I'm pretty happy about that! I've actually been feeling recently like the baby is head down anyway because I've felt a lot of shifting since 3 weeks ago when she was transverse at my last ultrasound, and I've been feeling stronger kicks high up near my ribs. I know it's still early though, but at least this is a step in the right direction.

@teriulbricht Funny, as I was reading your post I was eating a chocolate cookie! I have no self control when it comes to sugar right now and my sugar cravings are stronger than ever. So yes, I have been slacking on the pregnancy diet for sure. I do try to make sure I get plenty of protein in my diet though, and I try to eat more vegetables and fruit than normal, but other than that I'm not exactly a role model when it comes to diet.

@JaneJane I'm so sorry you're in the hospital! But glad to hear the babies look good, and that bleeding and contractions have stopped. At 30 weeks you're in a good position at least if you do have to deliver those babies, but here's hoping you get to 35 weeks!

QOTW: Like I mentioned, sugar cravings have been insane. DH took me to get donuts yesterday because I wanted donuts so badly. We bought 4 but I was good and only ate one (and so did DH). We'll probably finish them off after dinner tonight. I've also been craving Mexican food a lot. Like nachos and enchiladas!

babylonghorn16

@JaneJane Oh no!! Sorry to hear you're in hospital, but happy your LOs are okay! Prayers for you!

@teriulbricht saw your note from last week's thread. I'll dm you my birth plan... it's nothing mind blowing, but maybe it'll help organize your thoughts! As for food restrictions, I was never really that strict tbh... I'm all about moderation with the exception being alcohol. No wine for this momma, but also no judgement for mom's who decide to have a glass. I will say I let loose on eating healthy at about 37 weeks and haven't looked back lol! I'm in IDGAF mode .

AFM - 39 weeks over here, and still very much pregnant. I honestly feel pretty great still. My feet hurt and the heartburn is no fun, but my energy level seems normal (maybe a tad low) and I'm HARDCORE nesting . Been a little freaked out by how good I feel... asked OB last week if I was measuring normal since ppl keep telling me I look small (seems like a compliment, but makes me worry), and she said I'm right on track! So I'm considering myself lucky for now and riding out this last (hopeful) week!! Hope you ladies are doing well!!

babylonghorn16

Forgot the QOTW!

YES to Mexican food @wifeinraleigh28!! I can't get enough cheese enchiladas, rice, and refried beans. Oh and queso (of course). Luckily we're in Texas and have Mexican restaurants on every corner . I've also been craving milk. lol

@wifeinraleigh28 I think talking to your MFM about holding off on induction is a great idea. I've never been too keen on the idea of inducing labor. I think as long as you're smart about it (and it sounds like you are), you should follow your gut! I hope they are on board!

flanners1

@JaneJane sorry to hear about your scare! That sounds terrifying. How long are you staying in hospital? Glad things are better now. Keep us posted please. 

@wifeinraleigh28 sounds like the chiropractor really knows what their doing and I'm glad you're carpal tunnel has eased up. I can't imagine the discomfort. Now that baby has also turned, you shouldn't need an induction if everything is going so well, wonder why they keep bringing it up. 

@teriulbricht self-care is the best thing ever. I also went for a mani/pedi this weekend and intend to get my hair done and maybe a nice head massage as well.  What's the plan for Easter? It's not really celebrated here in Asia but will try to find a nice Easter brunch in some hotel. 

@babylonghorn16 glad to hear you are still feeling so good. How are you hardcore nesting? I've been washing and ironing things and just generally rearranging baby clothes constantly!   

afm: 37 weeks and had my cerclage removed today! I can still remember how scared I was to not make it to viability when they put it in at 18 weeks, and here we are... I'm so grateful.
It was an eventful day with quite some heavy contractions after the removal, but given baby girl is still thriving inside, they want her to stay inside for a bit longer. I got some terbutaline to stop contractions and was sent back home- feeling great for now! 
Ladies I saw that cerclage thread when she took it out - she showed it to me. It looked more like barbwire! No wonder they were worried about infection... good thing I didn't see it before they put it in lol.  

QOTw: im eating lots more chocolate, I'm usually not a sweet tooth at all, but now I'm loving all things with chocolate - in fact I had a chocolate lava cake with extra chocolate sauce on Sunday! 
Have a great week everyone! 

babylonghorn16

@flanners1 yay for getting cerclage removed! I'm glad it held for so long and little girl looks good!! As far as nesting goes, I'm constantly cleaning, washing nursery items, rearranging things, decorating for Easter (I've never decorated for any holiday other than Christmas), fixing minors issues around the house... you name it! I just want everything to be organized and clean before baby comes. I think I'm just being restless too... the cleaning has gotten out of hand just bc that's the only thing left to do now-a-days. The anticipation is driving me nuts!!!

kdanjou

Hi ladies.  I'm 30 weeks today!  I can't believe only 10 weeks or so to go!
I'm doing pretty well.  Trying not to obsess too much over kick counts.  Little girl has quieter days sometimes which makes me paranoid but I think that is normal.  I'm getting more than the minimum number of kicks even on those days.
QOTW: Right now I'm not having any weird cravings but I have been wanting to eat a lot of sugar.  I try to limit myself to one dessert a day haha.
@JaneJane I hope you can cook those babies a little longer!
@wifeinraleigh28 I hope you can avoid induction.  I've read that it can be no fun and often leads to a c-section anyway.  I'm hoping for a VBAC myself so I can understand wanting to labor without interventions!

babylonghorn16

Has anyone heard of starting contractions with a breast pump?? My SIL just texted me that if I'm ready for baby, I should pump. This scares me. I've never pumped and the thought of doing it now makes me nervous. Oh and the whole part about going into labor afterwards LOL. I'm going to ask my OB on Wed, but just wanted to know if y'all had heard about this method of jump starting labor. I might get desperate come next week  

kelrauh

PATRICK AND CECILIA ARE HERE!!!! I was 33 weeks and 1 day today. They decided it was their time so I had a c-section and were born today at 12:25 and 12:26. We are doing as well as expected. I will post more details later tonight or tomorrow. 

rmarble23

congrats @kelrauh glad you are all doing well

@babylonghorn16 sounds like it might work since stimulation does the trick, right?

AFM: 30 week tomorrow, lately my right leg/hip have been hurting when i stand up after sitting for a while and then while sleeping.  by the end of the day i feel like in the past week im on full on waddle mode  other than that nothing special this week.  i have an ob appt on friday with another ob in the office since mine is out.  

QOTW: no cravings for me but now i am struggling the urge to jump off the GD wagon for a split second to enjoy a reese egg or even ice cream since our favorite summer spot/drive in opened last week

Colleen0516

@kelrauh congratukations can't wait to hear more details! Hope you and the babies are healthy! 

2legbaby

Congrats @kelrauh! Those babies were such troopers to hang in there all this time!welcome to the world Patrick and Cecilia! ♥️

wifeinraleigh28

@flanners1 The induction at 39 weeks has been my MFM's plan all along because I'm high risk due to my autoimmune disorder. Apparently I have an increased risk of fetal distress at the end. But I'm thinking if I've shown no signs of problems and can get increased monitoring in that final week, that should be good. But I'll see what the experts say in the coming weeks! Wow, 37 weeks, that's amazing! Glad you're feeling really good now and your LO will be here soon!

@babylonghorn16 I've heard that pumping can make you go into labor, but at the same time I'd be weary of it because I would hate for doing so to mess with your supply in any way. I've been told that you shouldn't pump at all for at least 10 days after the baby is born because you want your supply to naturally meet baby's needs... so I'm not sure how pumping BEFORE the birth would affect that. But, I am no expert! Let us know what your OB says on Wednesday.

@kelrauh Ahhhhh, so exciting!!! Congrats, mama, so glad you all are doing well! Can't wait to hear more updates from you!!

BlueEyedDreamer

Hi, everyone! DS2 made an early arrival on Saturday morning! I had a lot of clear mucus-like discharge on Thursday. Then my water broke around 9:30PM on Friday night, and they had me come straight in to L&D. I was exactly 36 weeks along, so I was a bit worried about having him arrive almost a month early. I was having contractions about every 10 minutes and when they checked me I was 4cm and 80% effaced! (I had been checked 2 days earlier and was 1-2cm 50%.) Unfortunately, my labor stalled out after that, so they started me on some pitocin a little after midnight. I labored naturally until about 5AM, when I got an epidural. I was fully dilated by 11AM and pushed for less than 30 minutes until he arrived! 

He is technically a preemie, but he weighed in at 7lbs. 1oz. and had no breathing or cardio problems whatsoever. We are so lucky! They kept saying that if he had gone to full term, there would probably not have been a chance at attempting a vaginal delivery b/c of his size. He is a strong and healthy little guy! We are so very blessed!!!

Getting settled nursing has been a little bit of a struggle, but we are getting better at it each day. I tore pretty badly (2nd degree) along my old episiotomy scar, but I'm healing well so far and the pain is gradually getting better. We came home yesterday afternoon and DS1 got to meet his baby brother - so precious to see these two together!!! We are settling in well for now.

GL with the rest of 3rd tri - I will be lurking to check up on you all when I can! See you soon in the new mom's thread!

@kelrauh Congratulations on the arrival of your LOs! It makes my heart happy to know that they are safe in your arms after such a challenging journey!

kdanjou

@kelrauh and @BlueEyedDreamer congrats on your new little ones! 

wifeinraleigh28

So exciting @BlueEyedDreamer! Congrats on your little boy and on being HOME, how wonderful!

babylonghorn16

@wifeinraleigh28 yeah, not sure how it could affect supply! Didn't really think about that. I don't think I'm going to risk it. Baby will come when he/she is ready... or we will evict lol.

@kelrauh CONGRATS!! So happy the twins are doing well. Can't wait to hear more updates!

@BlueEyedDreamer CONGRATS to you too!!! Glad baby boy is healthy!

babylonghorn16

@HappyDays13EDD 4/5/17 with 2 
@Knottie36622473 EDD 4/13/17 with a little girl

... updates??

2legbaby

Congratulations @BlueEyedDreamer! Glad he did so well being early! 

Colleen0516

Congratualtions@blueyeddreamer!!  So happy for you!!! Hope you and your little man are doing great

janejane-2

Thank you ladies for all the kind & encouraging words. 

I'll be 31 weeks tomorrow w/ the twins. Things looked good and we were talking discharged unfortunately I started bleeding (lightly) again this morning. Doctors told me I need to get use to the idea that I might not leave until the twins are born. The goal is to get as close to 34 weeks and at a minimum 32 weeks. Good thing is that I'm not contracting. Twins currently each weighing about 3-lbs and no obvious issues. However, if the earlier they are born the more likely they'll end up in the NICU. 

kelrauh  - Congratulations!!!! So happy to hear that your twins are here. Please keep us posted. 

@BlueEyedDreamer - congratulations on your little one too  

flanners1

Oh my- 2 days I don't check and already we have 3 new babies! 
@kelrauh I'm so happy you made it this far and babies are well. You managed to keep them healthy and safe for so long and through so much worry and so many sacrifices. You are a true champ, so happy for your little family x
@BlueEyedDreamer congratulations on the little one! You must be over the moon. Glad to hear that at 36 weeks all was ok and no need for NICU. 

@wifeinraleigh28 I hope you can do the daily monitoring instead of induction, sounds like a good option, but see what your doc says. Maybe if you insist a bit they loosen up? If fetal distress is really a risk, they would never allow you to risk it at this late stage. Good luck with the appointment! 

teebric

Wow! Firstly congratulations to @kelrauh on the birth of Patrick and Cecilia! Well done for making it this far and I'm hoping all is well with all three of you! Keep us updated when you can.
And also congratulations @BlueEyedDreamer on the arrival of your little one. So glad that all is well with him and you and I hope your recovery is quick and you settle into nursing soon. Thanks for you well wishes!

@JaneJane I'm sorry to hear you're still on hospital bedrest with bleeding. I really hope you make it to the 34 week mark. 

@wifeinraleigh28 yay for a decent nights sleep the other night. I also had one a few nights ago, it felt good! I hope your first NST goes well and you get to discuss the alternatives to induction, it sounds like you are in a really good place to have baby naturally. Can I ask is it standard over in the U.S. to have NST? I hadn't heard of them before and wasn't sure if it was a high-risk thing or just a routine procedure. Also love the chiro! Except last week when I went I was really out of alignment and it took a good 3 days to feel good, and then yesterday I decided it was a good idea to spend 3 hours cleaning my entire house and now I feel like I may need another visit. Sounds like baby has turned around, I get most of my movement up around the ribs and he is head down. 

@babylonghorn16 I keep expecting to sign on and see a birth announcement from you! I'm all about everything in moderation but like you these last few weeks I've decided to just eat what I feel like! I've been finding that while my appetite is normal the amount of food I can eat at one time has really decreased. So good that you've been feeling good! Although I hear you about the heartburn  Are you still working? I haven't heard of starting contractions through pumping, but I haven't really looked into it. Have you checked out acupressure points to get labour started? Oh and thanks for tagging those other two.. I've been meaning to check up on them these past two weeks.

@flanners1 good on you for the mani/pedi! I just had my eyebrows waxed and tinted and it felt good. I'm not doing much in the way of Easter either, usually I'll get together with my family at some point over the long weekend but this year I have no intention of going anywhere, cooking anything or hosting anybody! What a great thing to have made it to 37 weeks! I'm also expecting an update from you every time I log on! Sounds like the cerclage looks a bit scary

@kdanjou 30 weeks! Woohoo! I got told that baby feels pretty much how I'm feeling, so if I'm feeling a little tired and lethargic chances are he is too and he won't move as much. I was also told to keep and eye on the pattern of movement, so my little one is most active during the arvo and then after about 8pm at night, so as long as I'm feeling the movement then, all should be fine. Oh why stop at one dessert! Haha, I figure if there's ever a time to be a little indulgent its now!

@rmarble23 I hear you on the waddling... I'd forgotten you have GD, I would find it so hard to restrict myself so it sounds like you are doing well resisting the urges! Surely one time wouldn't hurt 

cato99

@kelrauh congratulations on your twins! SO impressed that you kept them safely in the belly for so long!

@BlueEyedDreamer wow congratulations on your early arrival, what a spectacular size for a baby that age! I'm sure it was all unexpected but what a blessing in disguise to be able to avoid a c-section. 

And hi everyone, I'm 36 weeks and had waited to post because I was having an appointment and ultrasound late yesterday and thought maybe I'd have something new to report but all is pretty normal and boring for me right now! The ultrasound especially was anticlimactic, it was just a quick peek to confirm that she's head-down and facing back, so it was a blobby close-up of her skull and spine, which made her look vaguely like a dinosaur or possibly Predator. No cute views of baby wiggles this time. 

@teriulbricht NSTs are standard at my dr's office for the final weeks of IVF pregnancies. I'll be starting mine this week or next! In the US they seem to do them for a variety of high-risk circumstances just to keep an eye on things. @wifeinraleigh28 hopefully yours will provide enough monitoring to stave off induction! 

I'm with everyone in feeling like slacking on pregnancy diet in the final weeks, especially @rmarble23 and these demonic GD restrictions. I was traveling last week so I did some dinner-time restaurant GD cheating (bread and dessert) and it felt greeeeaaaaaat haha. @rmarble23 I say honor your craving once or twice in moderation, maybe treat yourself later in the day when tolerance is a bit stronger, and go for a good walk and have lots of water right after! I started a GD thread on this board if you want to strategize or vent further  

teebric

@cato99 glad everything is good with baby, at my last US the wand was too close to LO head so it looked like he had a giant hole in his head. There's not a lot of room in there hehe. Thanks for explaining NSTs, must not be a standard over here. 

babylonghorn16

@teriulbricht no baby yet! Kinda sad to see people "below" me moving on already. I'm still at work, but planning on working from home if I go past my due date. I find working keeps my mind off things and makes the days go by faster. No acupuncture for me... not enough time in my day (the office is 30 min across town w/o traffic... bc Texas lol). And they quoted me $200 for the first appointment, which I just don't feel like spending right now... especially since we are about to have to pay the IRS $5500 (damn tax season). I'm being a grump today, sorry lol

I'm pretty frustrated and just in a bad mood. Had my 39 week appointment today... 70% effaced with no dilation. Doc called my cervix "unfavorable"... jee, thanks. We have homework though - lots of sex lol. She said a chemical in semen softens the cervix and can encourage labor. I've also been doing squats and walking a lot. Hoping this baby starts to get the message! If not, induction scheduled for 4/24.

rmarble23

@teriulbricht and @cato99 i actually had family birthday dinner last night at my MIL and its always pizza so i indulged a little and my levels were perfectly fine, now i did pass up the chips and cake but i held strong as to not totally screw everything up but kind of proud that it all worked out.  fx that things stay that way as i have heard things go wacky in another week or two

teebric

Ergh @babylonghorn16 you poor thing! I'm feeling frustrated and it's not even close to my due date! Yeah o thought about acupuncture or massage but I just can't justify the expense right now. Yeah semen contain prostaglandins, over here they sometimes give you a gel containing prostaglandin to induce labour. To be honest I can't even contemplate having sex right now, I'm feeling way too pregnant! There's still plenty of time to avoid the induction, keep walking, squatting, eating spicy food, drinking raspberry leaf tea, having sex and hopefully LO will get the eviction notice! Oh and I just realised I meant acupressure, not acupuncture. Look up Debra Betts, she has a YouTube channel with various acupressure points that help with pain in labour and some that can bring on labour. Here's the link.. https://acupuncture.rhizome.net.nz/acupressure/
it's not the greatest site to navigate but there's some good resources on that page that are free. 

@rmarble23 it's good that your able to indulge every now and then and it doesn't affect you too much. One indulgence isn't going to ruin all the good eating you've been doing the rest of the time!

babylonghorn16

@teriulbricht thanks for the info and the kind words!! You're the best! I'm in a better mood today, but would still like this little one out... we want to meet him/her!

wifeinraleigh28

Well I had my NST yesterday and met with the OB after to talk about alternatives to induction. All went well with the NST but I ended up being hooked up to the monitors for nearly 40 minutes instead of 20 because the baby hated it and kept pulling away. There were all these blips in activity. I've never seen her squirm and kick so hard, but the nurse warned me ahead of time that babies hate the NST. Turns out I have to do it weekly until 36 weeks and then I'll be doing this twice a week, ugh! But I'll do anything for this little girl. @teriulbricht NSTs are not standard procedure, only used in certain high-risk cases where fetal distress is a concern.

The conversation with my OB about avoiding induction didn't go so well. She pretty much told me the benefits of inducing me early far outweigh the risks of not doing so. She said I'm at risk for placental abruption, which sounds scary but I doubt I'm really at that much risk for it considering I haven't had any autoimmune issues in over 8 years. But with my history, they want to take precautions. This is why I'm getting all these NSTs and why they want to induce me. However, because 39 weeks falls on Memorial Day weekend (Saturday), she said I won't be induced until the following Tuesday most likely, putting me closer to my due date anyway. Makes me mad actually, that they want to take all these precautions, but apparently not if it doesn't work out with their schedule? I'm trying to just focus on the fact that I'll be closer to my due date and thus have more of a chance of going into labor naturally.

@babylonghorn16 I'm sorry your cervix isn't progressing, ugh! I've heard that about semen too. In fact, I heard that the chemical in pitocin is what is in semen, so it makes sense. Makes me wonder though why we aren't told to avoid sex earlier on in pregnancy if it actually can induce labor... sounds like a mixed message to me. The thought of sex right now is pretty repulsing to me though and I'm only 32 weeks. I definitely hand it to you if you're able to DTD at almost 40 weeks! 

babylonghorn16

@wifeinraleigh28 We most definitely had sex last night and are planning on doing the same every night this week... at this point I'll try anything LOL!! I'm just so so ready for this little one. Sorry about your ob's reaction to your request for natural labor. Fingers crossed that baby just decides to come a little early!!

cato99

@rmarble23 ah yes the dreaded week 32-35 GD blip--you'll get through it! For me things were a little unpredictable for a few readings but then they stabilized pretty well right after!

teebric

@babylonghorn16 I'm glad you're feeling a bit better today! 
@wifeinraleigh28 I'm sorry the conversation didn't go so well with your OB, but who knows maybe you'll go into natural labour before your induction date. So annoying that they are willing to work around their own schedule but like you said at least it's closer to EDD and gives you and baby more of a chance of spontaneous labour. 

janejane-2

@wifeinraleigh28 - one of my twins is the same! Hates the NST, starts doing gymnastics the moment the machine is on. I've never had a 20 min NST, they are usually about 40-60 minutes. Odd your doctors want to induce but are okay w/ waiting for it to jive w/ their schedule. I don't get doctors sometimes. 

@teriulbricht - I was scheduled for twice a week NSTs starting at 28 weeks b/c I'm having twins and I think b/c they are IVF. However they are now daily since my scare. 

babylonghorn16

Well today is my due date. Looks like we have a late bloomer!  Fingers crossed for this week.

2legbaby

@babylonghorn16 hoping he/she doesn't stay in too long....but enjoy the time you have...this new mom stuff is tough lol!

teebric

Come on baby!! @babylonghorn16