Eta think I'm lying over such an unnecessary thing to lie about? hop on over to the June15 board that I started saying alcohol while pregnant and you can see i discussed this exact same thing with the moms there.
Oh I totally agree. I tried everything and when it got to the point that I couldn't leave my house I needed something else and she would not prescribe any sort of anxiety medication- that was her answer and it definitely worked! Didn't drink every night but when I was feeling anxious I would!
im really confused though, what if you had a panic attack/severe anxiety at 9am? Were you to have a drink then? if not, and you were only supposed to have one at dinner time then how was that supposed to help a morning or afternoon panic attack/anxiety?? It doesn't even make sense. Alcohol (especially only one glass) lasts for a max of maybe a couple of hours... how did that help your anxiety the other 22(ish) hours of the day?
Oh I totally agree. I tried everything and when it got to the point that I couldn't leave my house I needed something else and she would not prescribe any sort of anxiety medication- that was her answer and it definitely worked! Didn't drink every night but when I was feeling anxious I would!
im really confused though, what if you had a panic attack/severe anxiety at 9am? Were you to have a drink then? if not, and you were only supposed to have one at dinner time then how was that supposed to help a morning or afternoon panic attack/anxiety?? It doesn't even make sense. Alcohol (especially only one glass) lasts for a max of maybe a couple of hours... how did that help your anxiety the other 22(ish) hours of the day?
Lol is this a question you really need me to answer! She said with dinner so i think it's safe to assume she didn't mean if you're anxious at 9am have wine with your cereal.
Oh I totally agree. I tried everything and when it got to the point that I couldn't leave my house I needed something else and she would not prescribe any sort of anxiety medication- that was her answer and it definitely worked! Didn't drink every night but when I was feeling anxious I would!
im really confused though, what if you had a panic attack/severe anxiety at 9am? Were you to have a drink then? if not, and you were only supposed to have one at dinner time then how was that supposed to help a morning or afternoon panic attack/anxiety?? It doesn't even make sense. Alcohol (especially only one glass) lasts for a max of maybe a couple of hours... how did that help your anxiety the other 22(ish) hours of the day?
My thoughts exactly. Setting aside the fact that prescribing alcohol to treat mental health issues is probably malpractice, are you supposed to basically have wine for breakfast and start the day with 4-6 oz so you can be less inhibited during the day? And then what when it wears off and you're hung over (or maybe it's just me who feels it after one glass...)? I'm pretty sure this is not in ACOG's dietary recommendations.
Oh I totally agree. I tried everything and when it got to the point that I couldn't leave my house I needed something else and she would not prescribe any sort of anxiety medication- that was her answer and it definitely worked! Didn't drink every night but when I was feeling anxious I would!
im really confused though, what if you had a panic attack/severe anxiety at 9am? Were you to have a drink then? if not, and you were only supposed to have one at dinner time then how was that supposed to help a morning or afternoon panic attack/anxiety?? It doesn't even make sense. Alcohol (especially only one glass) lasts for a max of maybe a couple of hours... how did that help your anxiety the other 22(ish) hours of the day?
Lol is this a question you really need me to answer! She said with dinner so i think it's safe to assume she didn't mean if you're anxious at 9am have wine with your cereal.
Ok but you didn't answer the real question which was: how then did drinking a glass only at night help your anxiety the entire rest of the day? I'm not being rude to you at all, I'm just trying to understand how it helped you- so I'm confused as to why you are "lol-ing" at my question..... I think it's a pretty reasonable question
Lurking from June- I don't doubt that there are some incompetent doctors who would advise this kind of thing, because there are idiots in every field. And I don't doubt that it could "work," because the placebo effect is real. But it is definitely malpractice to advise a patient (let alone a pregnant woman) to drink to deal with anxiety. There is no amount of alcohol that is proven to be safe during pregnancy (we don't know where the threshold is where it starts causing problems and it is pretty hard to find an ethical way to study it since we do know it causes problems at some point), so even doctors who think small amounts are fine should be giving that as a disclaimer. And using alcohol to self-medicate... no.
OP, if you are seeing that doctor again for this pregnancy, it's definitely time to make a change. Even if her advice "worked" somehow, it shows she is not a trustworthy doctor. Who knows what other dangerous practices she might endorse? Your son being fine does not mean another baby in the same situation would be.
yeah that is definitely a red flag to find another doctor. did s/he also offer a cigarette while prescribing your nightly glass of wine? totally picturing mad men-era practice here.
@ellie111227 with all due respect, it's fine to lurk on a board from another month to read and entertain yourself, but it's not really cool to come in here and finger-wag at us about "no amount of alcohol has been proven to be safe during pregnancy" which is medical nonsense. There is plenty of data that small amounts are safe in studies following thousands of woman in the UK, Australia, and Denmark. The nuance is that we don't know at what precise level safe becomes unsafe, so some medical organizations thus conclude just stay away.
None of this is the point though. My request would be if you want to preach your opinion, don't come lurking and do it on a different BMB. I really don't mean this to be a flame - I just think that many of us July ladies have responses to @nktrodden826's wine topic, and we are perfectly capable of discussing it ourselves.
Ha, ok, welcome to the internet, where people can comment on public message boards.
Also, there is literally no difference between what you and I said about alcohol. We don't know where the threshold is where it becomes harmful, so while drinking lightly is probably safe and i wouldn't flame someone for it at all, a doctor, especially a doctor who is part of ACOG (which has taken a position of recommending zero alcohol consumption during pregnancy), should not be telling someone definitely that it is safe. Bye.
@ellie111227 with all due respect, it's fine to lurk on a board from another month to read and entertain yourself, but it's not really cool to come in here and finger-wag at us about "no amount of alcohol has been proven to be safe during pregnancy" which is medical nonsense. There is plenty of data that small amounts are safe in studies following thousands of woman in the UK, Australia, and Denmark. The nuance is that we don't know at what precise level safe becomes unsafe, so some medical organizations thus conclude just stay away.
None of this is the point though. My request would be if you want to preach your opinion, don't come lurking and do it on a different BMB. I really don't mean this to be a flame - I just think that many of us July ladies have responses to @nktrodden826's wine topic, and we are perfectly capable of discussing it ourselves.
Oh I totally agree. I tried everything and when it got to the point that I couldn't leave my house I needed something else and she would not prescribe any sort of anxiety medication- that was her answer and it definitely worked! Didn't drink every night but when I was feeling anxious I would!
im really confused though, what if you had a panic attack/severe anxiety at 9am? Were you to have a drink then? if not, and you were only supposed to have one at dinner time then how was that supposed to help a morning or afternoon panic attack/anxiety?? It doesn't even make sense. Alcohol (especially only one glass) lasts for a max of maybe a couple of hours... how did that help your anxiety the other 22(ish) hours of the day?
Lol is this a question you really need me to answer! She said with dinner so i think it's safe to assume she didn't mean if you're anxious at 9am have wine with your cereal.
Ok but you didn't answer the real question which was: how then did drinking a glass only at night help your anxiety the entire rest of the day? I'm not being rude to you at all, I'm just trying to understand how it helped you- so I'm confused as to why you are "lol-ing" at my question..... I think it's a pretty reasonable question
I'm not the doctor- I don't know why it worked but it allowed me to function when I had to. Maybe like someone else said it was the placebo effect, who knows. Again, it worked. I did my own research as well as discussing in depth with the June 15 mamas who all had a lot of experiences. My dr even had medical information and statistics to back it up.
Yes, im seeing the same doctor who happened to be the doctor who delivered myself and my brother some 25+ years ago so maybe she's old school in her thinking that this would work but again it got me through my second trimester when the anxiety was debilitating. Luckily I haven't had any issues with anxiety yet this pregnancy but I'm only 19 weeks so let me go knock on something wooden.
Not going to lie I didn't realize this would have started such a shit storm.
But seriously, it's the internet. Anyone, from anywhere, can come post whatever they want. And honestly, if I saw this on another bmb I would have commented as well.
Eta - and mrs Wilson, really?!? You "didn't know" that saying your doc told you to drink alcohol every day while pregnant to combat a mental health issue, would create a shit storm? Yea, ok.
+1 for posting where one wants. I'm on the June/July cusp, but it's not like I only value the opinion of the people from those two months! (Plus this board is dead, especially on weekends) And if I had something to add on a different BMB, *especially* one after my own, I'm going to say it.
Highly monitored internet and no cell service in the office, so I'm postin' and ghostin' while I'm workin'
But seriously, it's the internet. Anyone, from anywhere, can come post whatever they want. And honestly, if I saw this on another bmb I would have commented as well.
Eta - and mrs Wilson, really?!? You "didn't know" that saying your doc told you to drink alcohol every day while pregnant to combat a mental health issue, would creste a shit storm? Yea, ok.
"For women, heavy drinking is typically defined as consuming 8 drinks or more per week."
"do not recommend that individuals who do not drink alcohol start drinking for any reason"
Lurking from June, wanted to drop in these quotes from the CDC website. If you follow your doctor's advice, you're on the verge of heavy drinking for someone who isn't pregnant. Seems super irresponsible for your doctor to recommend drinking more to ANYONE, nevermind a pregnant woman. I would be questioning all of the advice that that doctor gives you.
+1 for posting where one wants. I'm on the June/July cusp, but it's not like I only value the opinion of the people from those two months! (Plus this board is dead, especially on weekends) And if I had something to add on a different BMB, *especially* one after my own, I'm going to say it.
Pretty much all of this. I comment on both June and July and would (and have) chime in on any other board if I had something to say.
8 drinks a weekly is "heavy drinking" when you're not pregnant?! That's a nightly glass of wine, and an extra one on a weekend. Count me as a heavy drinker when not pregnant, then. I find that pretty absurd, but whatever. Our puritan background comes out in funny ways sometimes.
@virginiaunicorn11 I do find that to be quite conservative, but it's what the website says. And I think we should at least be conservative about drinking and other substances when we are pregnant!
So put me in the camp of questioning everything your doctor advises. I would be finding a new doctor ASAP. Because not only is your doctor recommending treating a mental issue, such as anxiety, with alcohol (how to become an alcoholic 101) but they are also recommending over the 4-5 oz that are considered one serving of wine. And if I am thinking of the right MrsW, you're a size 0, so that plays an even larger role for you. I'm not trying to flame you, I'm trying to flame your doc. I would strongly encourage you to find a new doctor. I maybe would even report this doctor, if what you're saying they recommended is true- big big if. Lastly, I would stop following any of their advice. Just because they are an old school doc doesn't mean they are wise beyond their years. Medically speaking, we used to use mercury to settle indigestion. Medicine changes over time. If all of this is true, for safety reasons, I would get a new doctor. For your anxiety, you may want to seek counseling, a healthier alternative to becoming an alcoholic.
@ellie111227 with all due respect, it's fine to lurk on a board from another month to read and entertain yourself, but it's not really cool to come in here and finger-wag at us about "no amount of alcohol has been proven to be safe during pregnancy" which is medical nonsense. There is plenty of data that small amounts are safe in studies following thousands of woman in the UK, Australia, and Denmark. The nuance is that we don't know at what precise level safe becomes unsafe, so some medical organizations thus conclude just stay away.
None of this is the point though. My request would be if you want to preach your opinion, don't come lurking and do it on a different BMB. I really don't mean this to be a flame - I just think that many of us July ladies have responses to @nktrodden826's wine topic, and we are perfectly capable of discussing it ourselves.
So put me in the camp of questioning everything your doctor advises. I would be finding a new doctor ASAP. Because not only is your doctor recommending treating a mental issue, such as anxiety, with alcohol (how to become an alcoholic 101) but they are also recommending over the 4-5 oz that are considered one serving of wine. And if I am thinking of the right MrsW, you're a size 0, so that plays an even larger role for you. I'm not trying to flame you, I'm trying to flame your doc. I would strongly encourage you to find a new doctor. I maybe would even report this doctor, if what you're saying they recommended is true- big big if. Lastly, I would stop following any of their advice. Just because they are an old school doc doesn't mean they are wise beyond their years. Medically speaking, we used to use mercury to settle indigestion. Medicine changes over time. If all of this is true, for safety reasons, I would get a new doctor. For your anxiety, you may want to seek counseling, a healthier alternative to becoming an alcoholic.
I think she should be flamed at least a little. I mean, you should trust your doctor, yes, but if my doctor was telling me to drink to help with my anxiety (period, but especially while pregnant) you better believe I'd be looking for a new doctor. All this to say that's IF her doctor actually said that to her, or if she interpreted or read into what the doctor was saying which I think is highly more likely...
My two cents even though it's a reiteration- I don't think 6oz of wine a day is bad, during pregnancy or not. My concern is using alcohol as a coping mechanism or in a self-medicating fashion.
Most people that abuse alcohol don't go into it thinking "I am going to drink to excess because it's fun or seems like a good decision for me" but it starts out as a way to unwind, help with social anxiety/a social activity and/or de-stress - especially when it becomes a regular thing. Becoming dependent on alcohol and crossing that line is subtle and 99% of the time (don't source me here...) one has a problem before they notice it.
@satsumasandlemons I probably have a Big Mac a week. They recently came out with a Mac Jr and it's a game changer for me. Whoppers? EH....
We have been doing this for years here. Just ordered a double cheeseburger off the value menu and asked them to "dress it like a Mac." Good for people who can't eat a whole Big Mac too. Some days I truly do feel like it tastes better than a Mac and I believe 1 less layer of breading? I use to hate Big Mac's then one time I tried them and fell in love with that good ole' sauce! Haven't wanted them pregnant but the fries, man I went through a "salty" phase last month and ate a lot of fries haha!
Alright y'all, majority rules! June lurkers, have at it.
FTR, July ladies who haven't already may want to check out their board to see what they have to say about us... try the "Weight Gain-midway point check in!"
Alright y'all, majority rules! June lurkers, have at it.
FTR, July ladies who haven't already may want to check out their board to see what they have to say about us... try the "Weight Gain-midway point check in!"
And? It's not like they're the first board to talk about July. Go lurk May, August, October, I'm sure there are others as well. As far as the weight gain thread, it was a BS post for stupid numbers and yes I'm the one who said put and trigger warning bc there are some pregnant women on this board that have a hard time with the number they've gained or haven't. The end. June on the other hand is hilarious, I think you're just trying to flame them for mocking one thread on this board?
Guys, there are corners on the internet that literally discuss what else they've seen on the internet. Other month boards starting discussions about this month board is not a big deal.
Oh man. Fellow anxiety sufferer over here. Your Dr wouldn't put you on anti-anxiety meds? Why the hell not? Did they even suggest CBT? There are so many other things they could have suggested before jumping on the booze bandwagon. I'm surprised she/he (?!) even mentioned that. Now I know you're not getting drunk and from my understanding, you don't even drink a glass every night, but alcohol makes my anxiety soooo much worse. I stayed on my meds throughout my pregnancy. I'm on a super low dose, so low that my Dr isn't at all concerned but I'm still on them. I'm trying to figure out why your Dr might feel like alcohol is better than a medication?
I too have a fear of throwing up that I developed while adjusting to said meds. 2 weeks ago I had the stomach flu and ... yeah ... it came out. I know you can't just "make" yourself throw up if you're not feeling sick but exposure made me feel better about it. I threw up and I didn't choke and die and the next time it happens I won't be as scared. I guess my $0.02 is that just because your Dr says to doesn't make it okay. If that's what you want to do then that's certainly your choice. But personally, I would have told my Dr no effing way (she would never even think of suggesting that in the first place) and started doing research on other ways to help myself out. I know a lot of anxiety sufferers do throw up when they have an attack but have you ever? Because chances are if you haven't already, you won't. I always feel sick when I get an attack but have never thrown up because of it.
I personally really think you need to find other ways to deal with your anxiety. For both your baby's health and yours ... Dependency (on anything) can become a very real problem with anxiety and you don't want to develop that kind of relationship with alcohol.
I guess my UO is if you drink daily, that's heavy drinking. This is coming from someone who doesn't drink at all ever, so daily drinking sounds like a lot to me. My drug of choice is coffee, normally but not so much while pregnant because it makes me gag. I would consider myself a heavy coffee drinker because when not pregnant, I drink at least one cup daily. Lol. Also, if I was *not* pregnant and my doctor told me to drink daily for anxiety....I would be out the door so fast. That just seems so odd to me. If they told me this while pregnant, I wouldn't be able to hold my mouth before I started questioning the doctor the second they said that.
I just want to add that as a fellow "afraid of throwing up" person, I'm glad to hear that the fear has gotten better once you have kids. The only time I was ever able to handle it was under the influence (like, in college, when you have to bring your friend home from a party). I'm not drinking at all this pregnancy, but also wouldn't put it past myself to mix a cocktail if my kid gets the stomach bug and I have to deal with helping him/her all night...
Oh man. Fellow anxiety sufferer over here. Your Dr wouldn't put you on anti-anxiety meds? Why the hell not? Did they even suggest CBT? There are so many other things they could have suggested before jumping on the booze bandwagon. I'm surprised she/he (?!) even mentioned that. Now I know you're not getting drunk and from my understanding, you don't even drink a glass every night, but alcohol makes my anxiety soooo much worse. I stayed on my meds throughout my pregnancy. I'm on a super low dose, so low that my Dr isn't at all concerned but I'm still on them. I'm trying to figure out why your Dr might feel like alcohol is better than a medication?
I too have a fear of throwing up that I developed while adjusting to said meds. 2 weeks ago I had the stomach flu and ... yeah ... it came out. I know you can't just "make" yourself throw up if you're not feeling sick but exposure made me feel better about it. I threw up and I didn't choke and die and the next time it happens I won't be as scared. I guess my $0.02 is that just because your Dr says to doesn't make it okay. If that's what you want to do then that's certainly your choice. But personally, I would have told my Dr no effing way (she would never even think of suggesting that in the first place) and started doing research on other ways to help myself out. I know a lot of anxiety sufferers do throw up when they have an attack but have you ever? Because chances are if you haven't already, you won't. I always feel sick when I get an attack but have never thrown up because of it.
I personally really think you need to find other ways to deal with your anxiety. For both your baby's health and yours ... Dependency (on anything) can become a very real problem with anxiety and you don't want to develop that kind of relationship with alcohol.
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My doctor would not prescribe ANY anxiety medications. I was seeing a psychologist once a week since the anxiety started around 6-7weeks(can't remember exactly) and then started hypnotherapy which surprisingly helped some with the vomit fear. I didn't have anything like this until I became pregnant, as I mentioned, and didn't have any specific trigger- I just CONSTANTLY felt like I was watching a scary movie when you know something is about to pop out- that constant state of fight or flight it seemed like. At the time My husband worked nights and my anxiety worsened on my way home from work around 5:00 knowing nobody would be home but what if someone broke in and was waiting for me. My house looked like Ft Knox with all of the chain locks, dead bolts and alarm systems. So coming home when he wasn't there 2-3 nights a week having a glass of wine even the first sip took the edge off.
I've always had a phobia of vomit but it's more watching people or knowing it might happen if one of my students said they had a stomachache my anxiety would be THROUGH THE ROOF until the bell rang- then I'd Clorox the entire room. I don't vomit with panic attacks and I don't have anxiety when I'm not pregnant and don't have it with this pregnancy. So it was literally just that pregnancy.
June ladies, welcome to July. The internet has no borders. Shock and awe.
Sensitive weight people - don't read the thread and get over yourselves. Many people found that thread helpful. Sorry it's your trigger. That sucks.
Heavy drinkers - pull up a chair next to me, because I have one kid, one more on the way, and no f'ing way and I spending 4 more crabby months with the lady children that frequent these boards who I usually like but cannot stand today. Maybe MrsWilson can recommend me to her doctor.
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Eta think I'm lying over such an unnecessary thing to lie about? hop on over to the June15 board that I started saying alcohol while pregnant and you can see i discussed this exact same thing with the moms there.
Eta: Fixed words.
OP, if you are seeing that doctor again for this pregnancy, it's definitely time to make a change. Even if her advice "worked" somehow, it shows she is not a trustworthy doctor. Who knows what other dangerous practices she might endorse? Your son being fine does not mean another baby in the same situation would be.
None of this is the point though. My request would be if you want to preach your opinion, don't come lurking and do it on a different BMB. I really don't mean this to be a flame - I just think that many of us July ladies have responses to @nktrodden826's wine topic, and we are perfectly capable of discussing it ourselves.
Also, there is literally no difference between what you and I said about alcohol. We don't know where the threshold is where it becomes harmful, so while drinking lightly is probably safe and i wouldn't flame someone for it at all, a doctor, especially a doctor who is part of ACOG (which has taken a position of recommending zero alcohol consumption during pregnancy), should not be telling someone definitely that it is safe. Bye.
Yes, im seeing the same doctor who happened to be the doctor who delivered myself and my brother some 25+ years ago so maybe she's old school in her thinking that this would work but again it got me through my second trimester when the anxiety was debilitating. Luckily I haven't had any issues with anxiety yet this pregnancy but I'm only 19 weeks so let me go knock on something wooden.
Not going to lie I didn't realize this would have started such a shit storm.
Married: 07-2014
TTC #1: Since November 2015
Restarted TTC "count" Oct. 2016
due to previous issues.
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BFP: 11/4/2016
*TW*
Is there not enough going on with the June boards for you guys?
But seriously, it's the internet. Anyone, from anywhere, can come post whatever they want. And honestly, if I saw this on another bmb I would have commented as well.
Eta - and mrs Wilson, really?!? You "didn't know" that saying your doc told you to drink alcohol every day while pregnant to combat a mental health issue, would create a shit storm? Yea, ok.
(Plus this board is dead, especially on weekends)
And if I had something to add on a different BMB, *especially* one after my own, I'm going to say it.
Highly monitored internet and no cell service in the office, so I'm postin' and ghostin' while I'm workin'
"do not recommend that individuals who do not drink alcohol start drinking for any reason"
Lurking from June, wanted to drop in these quotes from the CDC website. If you follow your doctor's advice, you're on the verge of heavy drinking for someone who isn't pregnant. Seems super irresponsible for your doctor to recommend drinking more to ANYONE, nevermind a pregnant woman. I would be questioning all of the advice that that doctor gives you.
All this to say that's IF her doctor actually said that to her, or if she interpreted or read into what the doctor was saying which I think is highly more likely...
Most people that abuse alcohol don't go into it thinking "I am going to drink to excess because it's fun or seems like a good decision for me" but it starts out as a way to unwind, help with social anxiety/a social activity and/or de-stress - especially when it becomes a regular thing. Becoming dependent on alcohol and crossing that line is subtle and 99% of the time (don't source me here...) one has a problem before they notice it.
Met: 08/2001 ~ Dating: 07/2004 ~ Engaged: 11/2009 ~ Married: 06/2011
TTC: Since 09/16 ~ BFP 10/28/16 ~ EDD 7/5/17
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FTR, July ladies who haven't already may want to check out their board to see what they have to say about us... try the "Weight Gain-midway point check in!"
I too have a fear of throwing up that I developed while adjusting to said meds. 2 weeks ago I had the stomach flu and ... yeah ... it came out. I know you can't just "make" yourself throw up if you're not feeling sick but exposure made me feel better about it. I threw up and I didn't choke and die and the next time it happens I won't be as scared. I guess my $0.02 is that just because your Dr says to doesn't make it okay. If that's what you want to do then that's certainly your choice. But personally, I would have told my Dr no effing way (she would never even think of suggesting that in the first place) and started doing research on other ways to help myself out. I know a lot of anxiety sufferers do throw up when they have an attack but have you ever? Because chances are if you haven't already, you won't. I always feel sick when I get an attack but have never thrown up because of it.
I personally really think you need to find other ways to deal with your anxiety. For both your baby's health and yours ... Dependency (on anything) can become a very real problem with anxiety and you don't want to develop that kind of relationship with alcohol.
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Met: 08/2001 ~ Dating: 07/2004 ~ Engaged: 11/2009 ~ Married: 06/2011
TTC: Since 09/16 ~ BFP 10/28/16 ~ EDD 7/5/17
Team Pink * Canadian Bumpie
I've always had a phobia of vomit but it's more watching people or knowing it might happen if one of my students said they had a stomachache my anxiety would be THROUGH THE ROOF until the bell rang- then I'd Clorox the entire room. I don't vomit with panic attacks and I don't have anxiety when I'm not pregnant and don't have it with this pregnancy. So it was literally just that pregnancy.
June ladies, welcome to July. The internet has no borders. Shock and awe.
Sensitive weight people - don't read the thread and get over yourselves. Many people found that thread helpful. Sorry it's your trigger. That sucks.
Heavy drinkers - pull up a chair next to me, because I have one kid, one more on the way, and no f'ing way and I spending 4 more crabby months with the lady children that frequent these boards who I usually like but cannot stand today. Maybe MrsWilson can recommend me to her doctor.
RAWR.