Agreed with all of you, I feel selfish but I can't think about it too hard or I begin applying it to my own life and that's a dark hole of despair I don't want to go down. Poor woman, I am so so hurting for her.
That being said (and I mean this in the gentlest, nicest way possible) I don't think this is in poor taste @LuND. We can all appreciate that we are not in that situation and feel blessed with what we have, but are still allowed to be sad or angry about things. One of my favorite quotes is "telling a person they can't be sad because someone may have it worse is like telling a person they can't be happy because someone may have it better".
TTGP March Siggy Challenge: Animals Celebrating St. Patrick's Day
I think this is a good thread for today and for anyone who needs to get their frustrations out. And for anyone that needs it, here's a cute kitten: two cute kittens because I couldn't choose which one I liked better:
It's funny that I saw some women complaining on different forums about the ladies here being so mean. Based on what I have seen, you are a very caring group that support each other through even the shittiest of weeks.
Me: 29 | DH: 29
Married 12/2016 DSS born 01/2016 TTC since 01/2017 Letrozole + TI = BFP 01/30/2018 | EDD 10/11/2018
It's funny that I saw some women complaining on different forums about the ladies here being so mean. Based on what I have seen, you are a very caring group that support each other through even the shittiest of weeks.
It's usually women who don't read the rules, post something ridiculous, and get flamed that say we're mean. Also the women who don't appreciate our science-based approach to TTC and would rather us tell them that their BSC SS totally means they're KU.
We're not for everyone, but we're fiercely loyal, knowledgeable, and supportive to our own.
@LuND I don't think anyone could have said it better! I love these ladies more than I love some of my real-life friends and family! You all have supported me through my worst TTC days and you understand exactly what I'm feeling and going through! And the past 24 hours has only solidified the fact that this group of ladies is even more wonderful and amazing than I could have ever imagined!!
"It's time to try defying gravity."
Me: 38 DH: 38 Married 6/11/16 TTC Since 6/2016 12/2016 RE appt; 1/2017 SA & HSG results - all normal 3/2017 Dx Hyperprolactinemia; 5/2017 Prolactin levels normal; 8/2017 Low Ovarian Reserve 8/2017 TTA for personal reasons; 10/2017 NTNP; 12/2017 Re-start TTC 7/2018 Clomid+IUI 11/2018 Letrozole+TI 12/2018 Letrozole+IUI 2/2019 NTNP 5/2019 Stopping all TTC efforts; living Childfree
WTF to Betsy DeVos being confirmed and now they want to get rid of the entire Department of Education?!? EPA is next. This is a scary thing that is being created. PS I am also pissed about censorship of Elizabeth Warren. I think this quote sums up all of the strife people are going through.
It's funny how it's the little things in life that mean the most...not where you live, or what you drive, or the price tag on your clothes... There's no dollar sign on a piece of mind, this I've come to know! *ZBB*
@NYTino24 I don't understand why they didn't listen to all of the actual TEACHERS' opinions. You know, the ones who have to actually deal with the consequences? I can only imagine how frustrated you must be right now, considering I'm angry and not even in the education system.
TTGP March Siggy Challenge: Animals Celebrating St. Patrick's Day
Trump says he is for the people of America. Ok they were getting 1.5 MILLION calls a day against Devos's appointment. Apparently the people's voice doesn't matter! And it was laughable that Pence was the tie breaker - like he'd EVER go against Trump (I'm not really into politics but man that really boiled me)
@LuND it was on the forums on countdown to pregnancy. I was playing around there and thought I would check them out. It's the TWW symptoms forum in case you're wondering.
"It's time to try defying gravity."
Me: 38 DH: 38 Married 6/11/16 TTC Since 6/2016 12/2016 RE appt; 1/2017 SA & HSG results - all normal 3/2017 Dx Hyperprolactinemia; 5/2017 Prolactin levels normal; 8/2017 Low Ovarian Reserve 8/2017 TTA for personal reasons; 10/2017 NTNP; 12/2017 Re-start TTC 7/2018 Clomid+IUI 11/2018 Letrozole+TI 12/2018 Letrozole+IUI 2/2019 NTNP 5/2019 Stopping all TTC efforts; living Childfree
@lulu1180 Did anyone tell her it's probably follicles "ripening" on both sides?
It's funny how it's the little things in life that mean the most...not where you live, or what you drive, or the price tag on your clothes... There's no dollar sign on a piece of mind, this I've come to know! *ZBB*
Oooooooooooooh lord. Just ran across this gem: "I have been cramping in my stomach for the past 2 days now and google says that's a sign of early pregnancy. I'm 4 dpo today"
And to top it off, our friend with the "finance" named "David" posted on there about the $200 or less sperm banks and the trigger shot and insurance. Different screen name but so obviously the same person!
"It's time to try defying gravity."
Me: 38 DH: 38 Married 6/11/16 TTC Since 6/2016 12/2016 RE appt; 1/2017 SA & HSG results - all normal 3/2017 Dx Hyperprolactinemia; 5/2017 Prolactin levels normal; 8/2017 Low Ovarian Reserve 8/2017 TTA for personal reasons; 10/2017 NTNP; 12/2017 Re-start TTC 7/2018 Clomid+IUI 11/2018 Letrozole+TI 12/2018 Letrozole+IUI 2/2019 NTNP 5/2019 Stopping all TTC efforts; living Childfree
Well I give up. Continuing turd muffin week... [spoiler]I just got the results of my genetic counseling and it isn't good. Apparently one of my X chromosomes has the pre-mutation for fragile X syndrome, meaning that there is a high chance (greater than 33%) I would pass this condition on to a child. If you aren't familiar with it, fragile x causes mental retardation and autism, among other things. And this pre-mutation is likely the reason that I haven't been able to get pregnant -- my eggs may be too crappy to conceive a child, ever.
Oh, and it's the reason that I have such low ovarian reserve for my age. Oh, and it probably means I will have early menopause. Oh, and one of my parents passed it to me so I have to call them and tell them about how they have a 40% chance of tremor ataxia starting any day now.
In case I didn't feel like a failure already, now I am worried that not only can I not get pregnant, maybe I SHOULDN'T get pregnant with such a big risk of passing this on. The genetic counselor gave me some information about this condition but I'm at a complete loss about what to do now. All I want to do is curl up in a ball and cry.[/spoiler]
I need wine. Now. I'm just done. I thought 2016 was shitty but 2017 is even worse.
Oh @adirat I'm so sorry love. Is this something they can 'weed out' through ivf with PGS testing? Big big big hugs girl. You go have that wine, I'm joining you in spirit.
My co-worker started mat leave today. I was talking to my S about it last night since I'm lonely now (this co-worker is the only one I really talk to...). So anyway, the conversation took a natural turn to her status (let's call her C for ease in understanding). I told S that C is due today, but if she doesn't have the baby by Sat, they're going to induce. S promptly responds with, "ugh I hate that, people are so quick to induce because it's convenient." Okkkaayyy, that escalated quickly. I responded with a list of the various reasons someone might want to induce (other than convenience) if she goes past her due date. I have no idea what the background is in this for C. S says, "well Drs just want convenient timing. My Dr told me he was going to induce and I just said no." Okkkaayyy. (side note, nephew was not planned. Sooo, no real conception date to work with).
I decided to let this go and just said, "well, I think a lot of women who are having babies for the first time just get nervous and listen to whatever their Dr suggests because they're scared. I know from our current experience that I'm going to be extra nervous about any little thing going wrong because this has been so difficult already." S responds with, "I thought the problem was with [H], not you, why would you be nervous?"
Okay.... Now I'm done with this convo. 1, WT actual F? Who has "the problem" is not relevant to why I'd be nervous. 2, just because we are aware of a problem with H doesn't mean there is no issue with me, the two are not mutually exclusive. And we have reason to suspect I have issues. We're just not dealing with them because, for the moment, they don't matter due to H's problem. And last but certainly not least, this is not an H problem v Me problem situation. This is an US problem. Ugh.
Sorry, that was long winded, just had to get that off my chest.
Edit: I swear I know the difference between their and they're.
@adirat I'm sorry for the bad news, but there is also a 67% chance that won't be the case. They can test for this if you do IVF, correct?
It's funny how it's the little things in life that mean the most...not where you live, or what you drive, or the price tag on your clothes... There's no dollar sign on a piece of mind, this I've come to know! *ZBB*
@adirat oh no. This week just continues to get worse. I still think that there is a way for you to conceive a child (maybe with PGS like @heatherdubrow said) and I hope you get some comforting information soon. You will get through this, I know it. You gave me great advice when I got shitty news last week to vent, cry and let it all out - it'll help to clear your head.
Omg @adirat I am so so sorry. I'm glad you're in contact with a genetic counselor who can help you process this and tackle it anyway you can. I know it's little reassurance, but it's true you can't solve a problem if you don't know what it is. Sometimes those answers just suck. So many hugs your way. I wish I could offer more.
ETA: And it goes without saying, but you are not a failure. This is not your fault. This is something that happened to you. You will find the right answers that will make you the mother you deserve to be. I wish you so much luck.
@adirat I'm so saddened to read that. This whole process is too unfair at times for me to process. Take all of the time you need right now for yourself. All of the hugs, wine, and carbs for you.
DH and I need to talk about what we want to do... while yes, this is something that could be screened out with IVF + PGS, DH is Catholic and pretty lukewarm on IVF so I'm not sure how he will feel about this.
I realize that the chances are "better" this wouldn't happen, but I am completely crushed. I may never conceive naturally now. It just sucks. I never saw this coming. There's nothing in my family to indicate this is happening. And I have no idea how to call my parents and tell them this, much less to say that one of them, like me, has a risk of these other conditions now.
@adirat you have every right to feel the way you feel. It's crushing news and I hope you didn't feel like anyone was trying to solve your problem rather than just letting you feel sad. You're right that IVF is a big consideration, with a lot to think about. Vent and cry and feel the way you want to feel. We're here for you girl.
Oh I'm so sorry @adirat. Cry, scream, drink wine - whatever you need to process this information. Know that you don't have to have it all figured out today. You and your DH can take all the time you want/need to figure out the path that works best for you both.
As for your parents, knowledge is power. You have done nothing wrong, and you'll be giving them powerful information that will prepare them for the possible future. It's a difficult conversation, yes, but one that I'm sure they'll be glad to have had with you rather than with a doctor in the future.
@adirat I am so so sorry for the news ! You are definitely not a failure and this is not your fault. Please don't blame yourself and I hope you give yourself the attention you need today. So sorry
TTGP March Siggy Challenge: Animals Celebrating St. Patrick's Day
Re: WTF Wednesday
EDD: March 24, 2018 - angel baby at 21 weeks
Hugs to everyone -- we're halfway through with this turd muffin of a week.
Married: October 2009
TTC#1: August 2016
DD Born 10/20/17
That being said (and I mean this in the gentlest, nicest way possible) I don't think this is in poor taste @LuND. We can all appreciate that we are not in that situation and feel blessed with what we have, but are still allowed to be sad or angry about things. One of my favorite quotes is "telling a person they can't be sad because someone may have it worse is like telling a person they can't be happy because someone may have it better".
Married: 04/05/15
TTC since: 02/16/16
"It's time to try defying gravity."
Married 6/11/16
TTC Since 6/2016
12/2016 RE appt; 1/2017 SA & HSG results - all normal
3/2017 Dx Hyperprolactinemia; 5/2017 Prolactin levels normal; 8/2017 Low Ovarian Reserve
8/2017 TTA for personal reasons; 10/2017 NTNP; 12/2017 Re-start TTC
7/2018 Clomid+IUI
11/2018 Letrozole+TI
12/2018 Letrozole+IUI
2/2019 NTNP
5/2019 Stopping all TTC efforts; living Childfree
DSS born 01/2016
TTC since 01/2017
Letrozole + TI = BFP 01/30/2018 | EDD 10/11/2018
We're not for everyone, but we're fiercely loyal, knowledgeable, and supportive to our own.
I love us.
"It's time to try defying gravity."
Married 6/11/16
TTC Since 6/2016
12/2016 RE appt; 1/2017 SA & HSG results - all normal
3/2017 Dx Hyperprolactinemia; 5/2017 Prolactin levels normal; 8/2017 Low Ovarian Reserve
8/2017 TTA for personal reasons; 10/2017 NTNP; 12/2017 Re-start TTC
7/2018 Clomid+IUI
11/2018 Letrozole+TI
12/2018 Letrozole+IUI
2/2019 NTNP
5/2019 Stopping all TTC efforts; living Childfree
TTC 9/2016 BFP 12/9/16 EDD 8/21/17 NMC 1/8/16 at 7w6d
TTC 2/2017 BFP 3/6/17 EDD 11/17/17 DS born 11/25/17 via ECS
TTC 12/2018 BFP 6/2/19 EDD 2/12/20 NMC / BO at 7 weeks, low progesterone
TTC 7/2019 BFP 8/21/19 EDD 4/22/20 CP at 5 weeks
TTC 8/19 IUI #1 w/ Clomid + Ovidrel + progesterone BFN, IUI 2 and 3 w/ Letrozole + Ovidrel + progesterone,
IUI 4 Follistim + Ovidrel + progesterone BFP 1/9/20 EDD 9/18/20
AMA, ITP in pregnancy, vWD type II - low Factor VIII, unexplained RPL and secondary infertility
cue JT stare.
"It's time to try defying gravity."
Married 6/11/16
TTC Since 6/2016
12/2016 RE appt; 1/2017 SA & HSG results - all normal
3/2017 Dx Hyperprolactinemia; 5/2017 Prolactin levels normal; 8/2017 Low Ovarian Reserve
8/2017 TTA for personal reasons; 10/2017 NTNP; 12/2017 Re-start TTC
7/2018 Clomid+IUI
11/2018 Letrozole+TI
12/2018 Letrozole+IUI
2/2019 NTNP
5/2019 Stopping all TTC efforts; living Childfree
Which forum is this so that I can lurk? Hump day here at work is awfully boring.....
TTC #2 - August 2016
MFI
IUI #1-3 BFN
BFP 4/21/18 MMC 6/11/18
"It's time to try defying gravity."
Married 6/11/16
TTC Since 6/2016
12/2016 RE appt; 1/2017 SA & HSG results - all normal
3/2017 Dx Hyperprolactinemia; 5/2017 Prolactin levels normal; 8/2017 Low Ovarian Reserve
8/2017 TTA for personal reasons; 10/2017 NTNP; 12/2017 Re-start TTC
7/2018 Clomid+IUI
11/2018 Letrozole+TI
12/2018 Letrozole+IUI
2/2019 NTNP
5/2019 Stopping all TTC efforts; living Childfree
TTC 9/2016 BFP 12/9/16 EDD 8/21/17 NMC 1/8/16 at 7w6d
TTC 2/2017 BFP 3/6/17 EDD 11/17/17 DS born 11/25/17 via ECS
TTC 12/2018 BFP 6/2/19 EDD 2/12/20 NMC / BO at 7 weeks, low progesterone
TTC 7/2019 BFP 8/21/19 EDD 4/22/20 CP at 5 weeks
TTC 8/19 IUI #1 w/ Clomid + Ovidrel + progesterone BFN, IUI 2 and 3 w/ Letrozole + Ovidrel + progesterone,
IUI 4 Follistim + Ovidrel + progesterone BFP 1/9/20 EDD 9/18/20
AMA, ITP in pregnancy, vWD type II - low Factor VIII, unexplained RPL and secondary infertility
"It's time to try defying gravity."
Married 6/11/16
TTC Since 6/2016
12/2016 RE appt; 1/2017 SA & HSG results - all normal
3/2017 Dx Hyperprolactinemia; 5/2017 Prolactin levels normal; 8/2017 Low Ovarian Reserve
8/2017 TTA for personal reasons; 10/2017 NTNP; 12/2017 Re-start TTC
7/2018 Clomid+IUI
11/2018 Letrozole+TI
12/2018 Letrozole+IUI
2/2019 NTNP
5/2019 Stopping all TTC efforts; living Childfree
Although, real talk, I can understand the need to just keep scrolling.
"It's time to try defying gravity."
Married 6/11/16
TTC Since 6/2016
12/2016 RE appt; 1/2017 SA & HSG results - all normal
3/2017 Dx Hyperprolactinemia; 5/2017 Prolactin levels normal; 8/2017 Low Ovarian Reserve
8/2017 TTA for personal reasons; 10/2017 NTNP; 12/2017 Re-start TTC
7/2018 Clomid+IUI
11/2018 Letrozole+TI
12/2018 Letrozole+IUI
2/2019 NTNP
5/2019 Stopping all TTC efforts; living Childfree
[spoiler]I just got the results of my genetic counseling and it isn't good. Apparently one of my X chromosomes has the pre-mutation for fragile X syndrome, meaning that there is a high chance (greater than 33%) I would pass this condition on to a child. If you aren't familiar with it, fragile x causes mental retardation and autism, among other things. And this pre-mutation is likely the reason that I haven't been able to get pregnant -- my eggs may be too crappy to conceive a child, ever.
Oh, and it's the reason that I have such low ovarian reserve for my age. Oh, and it probably means I will have early menopause. Oh, and one of my parents passed it to me so I have to call them and tell them about how they have a 40% chance of tremor ataxia starting any day now.
In case I didn't feel like a failure already, now I am worried that not only can I not get pregnant, maybe I SHOULDN'T get pregnant with such a big risk of passing this on. The genetic counselor gave me some information about this condition but I'm at a complete loss about what to do now. All I want to do is curl up in a ball and cry.[/spoiler]
I need wine. Now. I'm just done. I thought 2016 was shitty but 2017 is even worse.
Big big big hugs girl. You go have that wine, I'm joining you in spirit.
My WTF is my sister...
My co-worker started mat leave today. I was talking to my S about it last night since I'm lonely now (this co-worker is the only one I really talk to...). So anyway, the conversation took a natural turn to her status (let's call her C for ease in understanding). I told S that C is due today, but if she doesn't have the baby by Sat, they're going to induce. S promptly responds with, "ugh I hate that, people are so quick to induce because it's convenient." Okkkaayyy, that escalated quickly. I responded with a list of the various reasons someone might want to induce (other than convenience) if she goes past her due date. I have no idea what the background is in this for C. S says, "well Drs just want convenient timing. My Dr told me he was going to induce and I just said no." Okkkaayyy. (side note, nephew was not planned. Sooo, no real conception date to work with).
I decided to let this go and just said, "well, I think a lot of women who are having babies for the first time just get nervous and listen to whatever their Dr suggests because they're scared. I know from our current experience that I'm going to be extra nervous about any little thing going wrong because this has been so difficult already." S responds with, "I thought the problem was with [H], not you, why would you be nervous?"
Okay.... Now I'm done with this convo. 1, WT actual F? Who has "the problem" is not relevant to why I'd be nervous. 2, just because we are aware of a problem with H doesn't mean there is no issue with me, the two are not mutually exclusive. And we have reason to suspect I have issues. We're just not dealing with them because, for the moment, they don't matter due to H's problem. And last but certainly not least, this is not an H problem v Me problem situation. This is an US problem. Ugh.
Sorry, that was long winded, just had to get that off my chest.
Edit: I swear I know the difference between their and they're.
"It's time to try defying gravity."
Married 6/11/16
TTC Since 6/2016
12/2016 RE appt; 1/2017 SA & HSG results - all normal
3/2017 Dx Hyperprolactinemia; 5/2017 Prolactin levels normal; 8/2017 Low Ovarian Reserve
8/2017 TTA for personal reasons; 10/2017 NTNP; 12/2017 Re-start TTC
7/2018 Clomid+IUI
11/2018 Letrozole+TI
12/2018 Letrozole+IUI
2/2019 NTNP
5/2019 Stopping all TTC efforts; living Childfree
TTC 9/2016 BFP 12/9/16 EDD 8/21/17 NMC 1/8/16 at 7w6d
TTC 2/2017 BFP 3/6/17 EDD 11/17/17 DS born 11/25/17 via ECS
TTC 12/2018 BFP 6/2/19 EDD 2/12/20 NMC / BO at 7 weeks, low progesterone
TTC 7/2019 BFP 8/21/19 EDD 4/22/20 CP at 5 weeks
TTC 8/19 IUI #1 w/ Clomid + Ovidrel + progesterone BFN, IUI 2 and 3 w/ Letrozole + Ovidrel + progesterone,
IUI 4 Follistim + Ovidrel + progesterone BFP 1/9/20 EDD 9/18/20
AMA, ITP in pregnancy, vWD type II - low Factor VIII, unexplained RPL and secondary infertility
ETA: And it goes without saying, but you are not a failure. This is not your fault. This is something that happened to you. You will find the right answers that will make you the mother you deserve to be. I wish you so much luck.
"It's time to try defying gravity."
Married 6/11/16
TTC Since 6/2016
12/2016 RE appt; 1/2017 SA & HSG results - all normal
3/2017 Dx Hyperprolactinemia; 5/2017 Prolactin levels normal; 8/2017 Low Ovarian Reserve
8/2017 TTA for personal reasons; 10/2017 NTNP; 12/2017 Re-start TTC
7/2018 Clomid+IUI
11/2018 Letrozole+TI
12/2018 Letrozole+IUI
2/2019 NTNP
5/2019 Stopping all TTC efforts; living Childfree
DH and I need to talk about what we want to do... while yes, this is something that could be screened out with IVF + PGS, DH is Catholic and pretty lukewarm on IVF so I'm not sure how he will feel about this.
I realize that the chances are "better" this wouldn't happen, but I am completely crushed. I may never conceive naturally now. It just sucks. I never saw this coming. There's nothing in my family to indicate this is happening. And I have no idea how to call my parents and tell them this, much less to say that one of them, like me, has a risk of these other conditions now.
Enjoy all the wine as you process everything.
** December BMB Siggy Challenge - Animals in Pools **
Me: 31+ H: 32
TTC Since 11/2015
#1 - MMC 6.5 weeks (2/16); #2 - MC due to cystic hygroma at 20 weeks (10/16); #3 CP (2/17); #4 - Due 12.16.17
As for your parents, knowledge is power. You have done nothing wrong, and you'll be giving them powerful information that will prepare them for the possible future. It's a difficult conversation, yes, but one that I'm sure they'll be glad to have had with you rather than with a doctor in the future.
We're here for you