Possible TW no growth?

purplegoldfish2

I just had a second ultrasound.  Based on LMP I should be 7w1d today & my first ultrasound was at 6w1d.  Both ultrasounds showed an empty sac measuring 5w5d.  The first also showed a SCH or twin, which is gone this time.

The tech said that the dr may send me for bloodwork since I didn't get it done last week. I'm confused by this.  Are early ultrasounds that inaccurate that they could show no growth, but everything is fine?  I thought early ultrasounds were more accurate for dating, not less.

I've never had anything like this happen.  My first pregnancy they did an abdominal ultrasound at 6 weeks, found 2 babies with heartbeats and I never had an issue throughout the pregnancy. This time it's a transvaginal ultrasound (which is supposed to be better) and it's not showing much.  Was I just super spoiled last time?   Or is it maybe that my previous dr just had much better equipment than this dr?  Or is this really going nowhere & the tech just didn't want/wasn't allowed to tell me?

Limbo sucks.

thatcma

I am so sorry to hear about this, and that you are in limbo. I don't have any answers to your questions, so I am sorry for that as well. FX for you.

realgoodthing

I'm so sorry this is happening. I have no answers, but am truly hoping for good news for you.

MimoCa

Sending you T&P!  Hoping for good news.

splashmountain

I'm  so sorry you're stuck waiting. Thinking positive thoughts for you!

GG620

I am in no way trying to bring bad news, but with my previous loss I measured 6w1d and had a slight heartbeat with transvaginal ultrasound both times that I went, and a week apart. They did confirm to me that transvaginal ultrasounds are more accurate than regular ultrasounds, which is why they did a transvaginal ultrasound immediately after they saw no growth using a regular ultrasound first. I am hoping for the absolute best for you. FX'd and hugs!

SaphireSweetie88

HP1119 said:

I just had a second ultrasound.  Based on LMP I should be 7w1d today & my first ultrasound was at 6w1d.  Both ultrasounds showed an empty sac measuring 5w5d.  The first also showed a SCH or twin, which is gone this time.

The tech said that the dr may send me for bloodwork since I didn't get it done last week. I'm confused by this.  Are early ultrasounds that inaccurate that they could show no growth, but everything is fine?  I thought early ultrasounds were more accurate for dating, not less.

I've never had anything like this happen.  My first pregnancy they did an abdominal ultrasound at 6 weeks, found 2 babies with heartbeats and I never had an issue throughout the pregnancy. This time it's a transvaginal ultrasound (which is supposed to be better) and it's not showing much.  Was I just super spoiled last time?   Or is it maybe that my previous dr just had much better equipment than this dr?  Or is this really going nowhere & the tech just didn't want/wasn't allowed to tell me?

Limbo sucks.

@HP1119

I have no advice or experience with this but I wanted to wish you all the best and that you get some good news!

peachy13

@HP1119 sending good vibes your way! Limbo sucks. Try to find a distraction. I think I may dust off my Harry Potter books when I get home and get into a good re-read.

knit-sew-mama

@HP1119 - my thoughts and prayers are with you for a good outcome!

irishrose54

Thinking of you and hoping for good news. Sorry you're going through this

purplegoldfish2

Thanks everybody!  After looking at a lot of stuff online, basically it's either viable or not (obviously).  There's not really any way to tell for sure until 9-10 weeks. Even if there is no baby, hcg can continue to increase normally until my body figures out what's going on.  Ultrasounds can continue to show nothing until then, even if there is a baby.  

I have no no idea what my dr thinks because they never called me to talk about the ultrasound results like I was told they would.  Either way, I've pretty much decided no more blood tests or ultrasounds until the results will definitely give me an answer either way.  We have a high deductible plan and I don't want to pay for a bunch of tests in the next couple weeks that may not give us any answers.

purplegoldfish2

GG620 said:

I am in no way trying to bring bad news, but with my previous loss I measured 6w1d and had a slight heartbeat with transvaginal ultrasound both times that I went, and a week apart. They did confirm to me that transvaginal ultrasounds are more accurate than regular ultrasounds, which is why they did a transvaginal ultrasound immediately after they saw no growth using a regular ultrasound first. I am hoping for the absolute best for you. FX'd and hugs!

I appreciate the input.  I have a friend that measured small last month (measured 6 w, but thought she was 8) and went back after 10 days with no growth.   She also lost the baby, so I know it is a very real possibility, even likely at this point, especially since I don't have any conditions that would make it more likely for the baby to be missed (tilted uterus, large abdomen, etc.).

mars8k

if it was me i would honestly get a second opinion. somewhere where they have good machines and more cooperative doctors? i don't understand how your doctor hasn't called you yet. it might cost you a bit but it might be worth a try to go check it out even though it could still be inconclusive. good luck and i wish you all the best, i wish i could do anything to help.

caribbeanmama-2

This is tough - your doctor should have called to discuss the results.  I would call them in the morning for sure.  Early ultrasounds are not extremely accurate in part because there is so much that can occur in these early weeks development-wise that their predictive power is limited across an entire population.  There is also a human error component in visually assessing a small area and picking off points for measurement.  This is why many practices prefer not to conduct ultrasounds before the 8 week mark.  ( There is also the issue of using resources when statistically it is known that some pregnancies will not progress and there is nothing that can be done to stop it or influence the outcome.) That being said no growth over a two week span would worry me as well and warrants a conversation with your doctor.  In the meantime, you just have to stay positive!  You could have ovulated a lot later than you thought unless you were temping, which would explain why the fetal pole hasn't been detected as yet.   I'm sending sticky baby dust your way!!!!  

purplegoldfish2

So, the dr called yesterday and basically told me it's not viable (which I know can be wrong, but it's still awful to hear).  In addition, because of what they did see, they wanted me to go for more bloodwork to rule out molar pregnancy.  I went, despite saying I wouldn't, because I haven't seen any images and have to rely on what they're telling me and molar pregnancies can have some really bad outcomes (for those that don't know - hysterectomy or cancer) if not treated early. Plus, bloodwork is cheaper than an ultrasound & the ultrasound won't give answers for another 1.5 weeks.  If my numbers decrease, I'll have answers Monday, but if they increase, then I'm still in limbo.

Itsnotyourturn

I'm so sorry, *hugs*.

realgoodthing

I'm so sorry. Please be kind to yourself right now.

jsweet-2

A lot of hugs. This happened to me last February. I am sorry you are in Limbo

caribbeanmama-2

@HP1119 I'm so sorry you are going through this. I hope it isn't as serious as any of those worst case scenarios.  As if it isn't crushing enough as it is!  Lots of hugs!  Take care of yourself!!  Sending lots of positive vibes out for you.

thatcma

Oh so many hugs. How difficult of a position you are in.

knit-sew-mama

So sorry. Please take care of yourself!

Manda95816

So sorry to read this!  Take care of yourself.  Sending prayers!

MimoCa

So very sorry to hear that. take care of yourself.

purplegoldfish2

WTF.... Dr just called.  30,400 - basically where I should be for a normal pregnancy, so they are confused (not sure why - either it is viable or my body just hasn't figured out that it isn't - not a dr and even I know that). More bloodwork and another ultrasound on Wed.  My poor arms are so bruised from bad phlebotomists... When I asked about my previous numbers, they can't find any of the results from any of my previous bloodwork. I've been in a bad place (thank you all for your kind words!) and have also been avoiding changing drs because I was waiting for results & don't want to go through the hassle of changing just to miscarry. How can this place be such a disaster? I am so hoping Wed I get some concrete answers - either a drop in my numbers or the ultrasound shows a baby.  

Dcwtada

Fingers crossed for good news/inconpentent doctors and you are not getting strung along. I cannot imagine where your head has to be at this point. Keep us updated! 

realgoodthing

@HP1119 That's so unbelievably frustrating. I'm so so sorry you have to deal with this. Hoping for some good news for you!

purplegoldfish2

Thank you!  

On top of all this, a good friend's mother passed away last week & I have not been there, so I feel pretty horrible.  I don't want to tell her what's going on (she miscarried last month, 2 weeks before we found out I was pregnant, so if this turns out to be viable, what a slap in the face that would be to her), so basically I'm the a-hole friend that's not there when she needs it.  Anybody up for rewinding the last month and doing it over? Ugh

MimoCa

@HP1119 this is so frustrating being in limbo! 
Also, can you contact your friend this week and let her know you are thinking about her and wanted to give her space? I was very close to my father and when he died a few years ago I appreciated the space because I was tired of people telling me how sorry they felt for me or how they are there for me. I wanted to mourn in my own space but then again I'm a weirdo and antisocial so...

purplegoldfish2

The funeral is tomorrow, so we'll see her then. She posted on Facebook today sounding somewhat upset that people were having a hard time making it to the viewing tonight because of a snowstorm.  We are not going tonight because it's 2.5 hours away and we would either need to get a hotel (& babysitter overnight) or drive back & forth (& get 2 babysitters).  I'm hoping more people can make it... Feeling kind of helpless right now