@darkeyednurse you are totally entitled to that opinion, and I would never shun you for that. I know personally I am not talking drinking to excess and it was something that my OB brought up in my third trimester as being ok and we spent a long time talking about the research behind that (I'm a nurse, I like knowing the research behind things). I don't like the implication that any of us are purposefully harming our babies, because that certainly is not the case whatsoever. I don't think there is a single person on this board who doesn't want a happy healthy baby in the end (especially after this week)!
@onefootinthebayou the intermediate is acetaldehyde, then aldehyde dehydrogenase creates the acetic acid.
Just did some interesting reading on both Adh and Aldh! Apparently in many Asian populations the Adh works really well, and then the problem is with Aldh not working so there is a build up of acetaldehyde. I always thought it was due to the Adh being inefficient. Good night time reading for me
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It's all the Franzia I'm downing.
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I'm currently living in Europe, Germany to be exact. It all depends on the Doctors preferrence. My doctor says once in awhile have a glass of wine or beer if desired. Other doctor says limit to one glass of wine or beer once a month once you hit your second trimester.
During my last pregnancy I only had a sip of an alcoholic drink. My mother in law was visiting and we went out to eat. At the time I was 26 weeks along. I ordered a drink not realizin it had alcohol (thought I was looking at the alcohol free section). I took a big sip and nearly choked! This pregnant I'm planning on not having any alcohol.
For me, it's not worth it. I still do lots of things on the "no" list look eat lunch meat and nitrites, but alcohol isn't something I am comfortable with for myself. That said, I respect others decision to do their research and indulge in the odd glass of wine.... it's just not for me.
@darkeyednurse I don't think you're alone in your opinion by any means. However, I will say that putting a mama in the 'extremely selfish' category for something she discusses with her OB and does according to that plan seems pretty harsh.
I'm a pretty big wine drinker normally, but drinking while pregnant has always seemed like tabu. It's a struggle for me, because my husband and I love to enjoy wine on the weekends. But, I can't get past the thought of my little baby consuming alcohol, even in small amounts. I do miss wine, but it's not worth the stress of worrying if I'm doing harm right now.
That being said, after reading all of the replies here, I may consider a glass here and there in 3rd tri.
i haven't had anything to drink yet, and probably won't until the second trimester. and then i may indulge in the occasional glass of wine. i think the relaxation benefits of it (for me, at least) will outweigh any minuscule risks, esp. when drinking slowly and responsibly.
Nope, not at all, when you go through infertility you will do everything to carry a sticky baby, and I would never do anything to jeopardize my baby's health. Wine isn't worth the pain it may cause, nothing is worth it. I don't care how much "research" people say they do, I will never do it, it's not worth it that much to me, alcohol is not more important than carrying a healthy pregnancy.
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@dubcompanion yes I am of Asian heritage too and DH is German! How funny! @onefootinthebayou and @CanadianintheSouth have it right...many Asians have a less efficient aldehyde dehydrogenase resulting in the buildup of acetic acid which causes the flushing and sickness. One of the few things I paid attention to in biochemistry since it was personally relevant lol.
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Nope, not at all, when you go through infertility you will do everything to carry a sticky baby, and I would never do anything to jeopardize my baby's health. Wine isn't worth the pain it may cause, nothing is worth it. I don't care how much "research" people say they do, I will never do it, it's not worth it that much to me, alcohol is not more important than carrying a healthy pregnancy.
Although I can certainly be sympathetic to your POV, again, implying that those of us who don't believe there is a risk to minimal intake based on science, literature, and HC providers' input are making alcohol more important than carrying a healthy pregnancy is not only offensive, it's totally false. This point has been made in this thread before.
@pandalily Science was always tough for me, so I've never so much as stepped foot into a biochem class. Loving all this info though, and this discussion interests me enough to want to research into alcohol metabolism more! I'll be curious how our kids metabolize it. Guess we'll find out in 18-20 years (because I'm not like a regular mom, I'm a cool mom).
@dubcompanion My college BFF married a guy who is half Chinese and he gets terrible flushing/can't handle much liquor. They just had a little girl, who is obviously 1/4 Chinese and we are already speculating about her
I drink very rarely normally (a few times a year), so it's really a non issue for me. Also, it would make DH uncomfortable, so I'd just rather not when its not a big deal for me anyway.
But, I certainly feel the European approach is fine. Studies show that fetal alcohol syndrome is not any higher there, so obviously small amounts of alcohol are okay.
Now, if I see you downing a few glasses when we are out to dinner, I'll judge the crap out of you.
@MrsNap_515 excuse me if I trust actual science and my doctors over Internet strangers who claim to be the end all be all authorities on what those who have struggled with infertility do or do not do.
FYI -- you do not have a monopoly on that struggle in this group and you do not get to decide whether I care about the health of my children or having a healthy pregnancy. You can make your own decisions about what's best for you, but this statement is totally offensive, as is the fact that you brought infertility into it.
@anonellis sorry if you took offense, I was speaking for myself, in everything that I've gone through, i just personally would not chance anything, now what others do is up to them....you can't have a post like this with such a hot topic and expect everyone to agree
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nope, no drinking here. but, I drank maybe once a year when I wasn't pregnant anyway so no big deal here. I'm a foodie though so I'm going to miss eating brie and sushi, that's for sure!!
@MrsNap_515 I certainly don't expect everyone to agree or make the same choices during their pregnancies.
I have made some choices out of extreme caution after all the trauma of my infertility struggles, whether or not my doctors say it's okay (just ask my husband how his sex life has been lately). Some of them are just literally ridiculous and there's no other way to describe them. The difference is, when asked whether or not I'm willing to go into a cemetery during my pregnancy, I don't say, "of course not, if you go through infertility you will do anything for a healthy baby, and nothing is worth the risk" to a group of expectant moms, many of whom also struggled with infertility. I'm making my own choices and I'm happy to discuss them as part of this group, but the minute you cast judgment on other moms and who cares more about their babies, the whole sense of a supportive community starts to fall apart.
@anonellis please don't twist my words, like I said, and if you read my post you will see I said "I" or "Myself" I personally feel that way, I'm not judging anyone or flaming anyone, i'm talking about myself, what everyone else does is their own decisions, me personally no, but who am I to tell anyone otherwise, don't interpret hidden meaning, I'm not judging anyone
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@MrsNap_515 I certainly don't expect everyone to agree or make the same choices during their pregnancies.
I have made some choices out of extreme caution after all the trauma of my infertility struggles, whether or not my doctors say it's okay (just ask my husband how his sex life has been lately). Some of them are just literally ridiculous and there's no other way to describe them. The difference is, when asked whether or not I'm willing to go into a cemetery during my pregnancy, I don't say, "of course not, if you go through infertility you will do anything for a healthy baby, and nothing is worth the risk" to a group of expectant moms, many of whom also struggled with infertility. I'm making my own choices and I'm happy to discuss them as part of this group, but the minute you cast judgment on other moms and who cares more about their babies, the whole sense of a supportive community starts to fall apart.
This is really well said. Even if the intent wasn't to pass the judgement that a few of us interpreted, this supports the argument of choosing our words carefully on forums. Without the benefit of face to face discussions, body language, tone, etc., the onus is on all of us to examine our responses when it comes to sensitive or controversial topics so we don't unwittingly offend or cast aspersions when it's not our intention.
During 3rd tri last pregnancy, my doc actually told me to go home and have a glass of wine. I tried, but it was gross to me at that point and switched it out for some milk, which might have been the weirdest thing I'd ever done. haha To each their own in moderation of course. I'm not against it but i'll just cross that bridge when I come to it. Right now I can hardly even drink water without wanting to die so I can't even think about beer or wine. As someone else mentioned, it might be nice to have a glass of wine around the holidays.
@MrsNap_515 I really don't want to get into a back and forth, but your exact words were "when YOU go through infertility, YOU will do anything for a sticky baby." (emphasis added) (sorry for the lawyer speak). You literally said "you" (which typically means "one") and not "I" or "myself," and I and others took offense at that. As @onefootinthebayou said, it's important that we all choose our words carefully, even if our intentions are good.
@pandalily Science was always tough for me, so I've never so much as stepped foot into a biochem class. Loving all this info though, and this discussion interests me enough to want to research into alcohol metabolism more! I'll be curious how our kids metabolize it. Guess we'll find out in 18-20 years (because I'm not like a regular mom, I'm a cool mom).
I really don't care at all what other women do during their pregnancy so I don't understand the reason for such heated conversations. Just do what you think is best for you.
I really don't care at all what other women do during their pregnancy so I don't understand the reason for such heated conversations. Just do what you think is best for you.
This. I love this.
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I didn't drink my last two pregnancies because I didn't have any cravings for beer or wine. Though when k was in labor with my last baby, the midwife told me to have a full glass of red wine and a warm bath to help me relax.... So I was just following orders and DAMN! That was a nice glass of wine. Helped me dilate better when I relaxed.
Anyway, this pregnancy I've stolen sips of my hubbys beer, about 1/4 of his beer to be more exact. Probably 3 or 4 times. It's been hot weather and beer is quite low in alcohol percentage so I felt comfortable with it.
I dont think that I would try wine though because I too, am a light weight. Maybe third trimester or during labor again
I found this thread to be incredibly educational. I'm not gonna lie, I had always been that person who would be APPALLED if I saw a pregnant woman drinking any kind of alcohol, so I was intrigued to read this!
Personally, I will still choose to abstain from alcohol because I also have a heart condition that can be exasperated by alcohol, and my anxious PGAL brain doesn't need anything else to worry about. But I will certainly think twice about judging a pregnant woman with a glass of wine now!
Prepreg, I only drank a couple nights a week, two to four drinks max. I just love the taste of beer AND I love the time to just sit and talk with my husband. When I have a beer, it helps me become a better listener (is this bad?!). We talk about stuff we normally wouldn't talk about. Like funny and stupid things.
TBH, now that I'm starting to feel like myself again (damn you, MS and exhaustion), I am really missing sitting out on the patio with a beer or heading to a local brewery to just sit and listen to my husband. So, we will probably start this back up in a couple weeks when I'm out of the first tri. I plan to literally have like a quarter of beer. One of those tiny flight glasses? And if I hate it, totally OK with me, but those were some of my favorite moments in the past, my MD is fine with it, and my motto is everything in moderation.
I drink about 10 oz of black coffee every AM. I used to drink 30 oz of black coffee every AM. I eat a turkey/ham/italian sandwich every few weeks. I used it to eat one at least once a week. I still eat dippy eggs (overeasy for you stuffies :P) a couple times per week.
I do try to avoid aspartame. I have a sip or two of the Swiss brand pomegranate blueberry diet green tea a couple times a week, but I used to drink 1/2 to 1 gallon almost every day! I started hating lots of stuff when I got pregs, but my tea wasn't one of them!!
Obligatory to each his own statement, but I just want to say that I don't think it's unreasonable for @MrsNap_515 to bring up her infertility struggles, that is relevant to her life and it's ridiculous to say that she shouldn't bring it up in this conversation. Again, I get where people got offended by some of the comments (specifically the one person who said they literally would judge you) but it's unfair to say that she shouldn't bring her own experience into the discussion. That's dumb.
@Schumerator since I think this is directed at me -- I absolutely feel people can bring up their infertility struggles wherever they want, especially on a board like this. What I objected to was the blanket statements about what women who struggle with infertility do once they get pregnant and how they feel. I think I reiterated that I was offended by being told that "when YOU go through infertility, YOU will do..." because I too went through infertility and her post was specific to her, and not necessarily to others including me. That was it. I probably wouldn't have responded at all if it had just said, "after going through infertility, I feel like..." Because I could probably start many a sentence that way that ends with far more ridiculous things than opting not to drink alcohol during pregnancy.
For what it's worth, the reason that I responded to that statement is because I like @MrsNap_515, she's a fellow mom expecting multiples and fellow warrior against infertility, who I recognize on this board, and I'm going to tell someone I like (as much as anyone can "like" an Internet stranger they don't actually know) that I found something offensive, particularly because I doubt they meant it as I read it and I think it's worth pointing out the impact our words can have on others to people who seem generally compassionate. I didn't respond to the person who literally wrote that she's judging us / thinks we're selfish because I don't see the point in arguing with someone like that and she's probably not someone whose advice and support I'm going to look for during this pregnancy. But I do see a point in calling out something that bothers me and others when it comes from a generally like-minded person. I just don't think that's "dumb."
You can bring up your own struggles and feelings without telling other moms they want their baby any less if they do their research and indulge in a glass of wine.
Again, nowhere in that post did I judge or call anyone out, nowhere...I expressed my thoughts and my feelings on how I feel, I don't care what anyone else does, my SILs drank while preg, and I could care less to say a word to anyone, it's your choice, I expressed what I felt about it and that's it, to each their own. I feel strongly that I will do whatever it takes to keep these babies healthy and growing, and to me if that means no alcohol, then that's what it means to me, what others do is up to them, me personally, I just don't agree with it, and that's what I stated, I did not say that anyone out there is a bad mom for doing so, and I don't appreciate my words being twisted and misunderstood. I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea about what I posted, because it's been misconstrued at this point. I respect all the moms on this board, regardless of opinions, and that's how I'd like to keep it.
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@anonellis my apologies, I usually tag people and wasn't meaning to be avoidant, it seemed there were a few people who responded about it so I didn't go back and look at who all had said something to her. I just wanted @MrsNap_515 to know that I felt she could share her fertility struggles in however it pertained to the conversation, and if that's not what you meant to say to her, then that's great, fair enough
Re: Wine?
Just did some interesting reading on both Adh and Aldh! Apparently in many Asian populations the Adh works really well, and then the problem is with Aldh not working so there is a build up of acetaldehyde. I always thought it was due to the Adh being inefficient. Good night time reading for me
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During my last pregnancy I only had a sip of an alcoholic drink. My mother in law was visiting and we went out to eat. At the time I was 26 weeks along. I ordered a drink not realizin it had alcohol (thought I was looking at the alcohol free section). I took a big sip and nearly choked! This pregnant I'm planning on not having any alcohol.
That being said, after reading all of the replies here, I may consider a glass here and there in 3rd tri.
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But, I certainly feel the European approach is fine. Studies show that fetal alcohol syndrome is not any higher there, so obviously small amounts of alcohol are okay.
Now, if I see you downing a few glasses when we are out to dinner, I'll judge the crap out of you.
Samantha - 4/5/2017
FYI -- you do not have a monopoly on that struggle in this group and you do not get to decide whether I care about the health of my children or having a healthy pregnancy. You can make your own decisions about what's best for you, but this statement is totally offensive, as is the fact that you brought infertility into it.
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I have made some choices out of extreme caution after all the trauma of my infertility struggles, whether or not my doctors say it's okay (just ask my husband how his sex life has been lately). Some of them are just literally ridiculous and there's no other way to describe them. The difference is, when asked whether or not I'm willing to go into a cemetery during my pregnancy, I don't say, "of course not, if you go through infertility you will do anything for a healthy baby, and nothing is worth the risk" to a group of expectant moms, many of whom also struggled with infertility. I'm making my own choices and I'm happy to discuss them as part of this group, but the minute you cast judgment on other moms and who cares more about their babies, the whole sense of a supportive community starts to fall apart.
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To each their own in moderation of course. I'm not against it but i'll just cross that bridge when I come to it. Right now I can hardly even drink water without wanting to die so I can't even think about beer or wine. As someone else mentioned, it might be nice to have a glass of wine around the holidays.
This topic is making me want to change my name to OneFootIntheBayouChem
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Anyway, this pregnancy I've stolen sips of my hubbys beer, about 1/4 of his beer to be more exact. Probably 3 or 4 times. It's been hot weather and beer is quite low in alcohol percentage so I felt comfortable with it.
I dont think that I would try wine though because I too, am a light weight. Maybe third trimester or during labor again
Personally, I will still choose to abstain from alcohol because I also have a heart condition that can be exasperated by alcohol, and my anxious PGAL brain doesn't need anything else to worry about. But I will certainly think twice about judging a pregnant woman with a glass of wine now!
TBH, now that I'm starting to feel like myself again (damn you, MS and exhaustion), I am really missing sitting out on the patio with a beer or heading to a local brewery to just sit and listen to my husband. So, we will probably start this back up in a couple weeks when I'm out of the first tri. I plan to literally have like a quarter of beer. One of those tiny flight glasses? And if I hate it, totally OK with me, but those were some of my favorite moments in the past, my MD is fine with it, and my motto is everything in moderation.
I drink about 10 oz of black coffee every AM. I used to drink 30 oz of black coffee every AM.
I eat a turkey/ham/italian sandwich every few weeks. I used it to eat one at least once a week.
I still eat dippy eggs (overeasy for you stuffies :P) a couple times per week.
I do try to avoid aspartame. I have a sip or two of the Swiss brand pomegranate blueberry diet green tea a couple times a week, but I used to drink 1/2 to 1 gallon almost every day! I started hating lots of stuff when I got pregs, but my tea wasn't one of them!!
For what it's worth, the reason that I responded to that statement is because I like @MrsNap_515, she's a fellow mom expecting multiples and fellow warrior against infertility, who I recognize on this board, and I'm going to tell someone I like (as much as anyone can "like" an Internet stranger they don't actually know) that I found something offensive, particularly because I doubt they meant it as I read it and I think it's worth pointing out the impact our words can have on others to people who seem generally compassionate. I didn't respond to the person who literally wrote that she's judging us / thinks we're selfish because I don't see the point in arguing with someone like that and she's probably not someone whose advice and support I'm going to look for during this pregnancy. But I do see a point in calling out something that bothers me and others when it comes from a generally like-minded person. I just don't think that's "dumb."
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