UO Thursday (6/2)

westcoastfoodie

It's the most wonderful time of the week! Let's hear 'em!

westcoastfoodie

I suppose this is kind of a silly one, but it's all I've got for now... I cannot stand how obsessed people get with Marilyn Monroe, especially girls. She is/was a terrible role model and lived a horribly sad life. 

ibabyloveb87

@Julia70286 I actually don't know anyone who loves Marilyn Monroe?? I did see the snapchat filter yesterday because it was her birthday. Are people really that into her?! 

westcoastfoodie

@ibabyloveb87 maybe it's an LA thing. There are so many girls here who want to look like her, quote her...they think she is just the most glamorous woman and IDOLIZE her. I can appreciate that she was a complex human being with an interesting life, but it was a terribly sad life. She wasn't even a good actress.  

ashleymn-2

Julia70286 said:

@ibabyloveb87 maybe it's an LA thing. There are so many girls here who want to look like her, quote her...they think she is just the most glamorous woman and IDOLIZE her. I can appreciate that she was a complex human being with an interesting life, but it was a terribly sad life. She wasn't even a good actress.  

This! I grew up about 31/2 hours from LA and almost everyone was obsessed with Marilyn. I never understood it either and when they would go and glamorize her i just side eye because my guess is they must not know her background or something.

NoraAurora

I liked the series finale of How I Met Your Mother. 

People who work in retail complain too much about working in retail. 

Addiction is a disease, not a crime.

mothernorth

@Julia70286 it's not just an LA thing, it's pretty wide spread. But I don't really get it either. To each their own I guess. I'm just assuming these people saw a few quotes and pictures on IG and ran with it and don't actually know much if anything about her history.

ibabyloveb87

@Julia70286@AllyTheKid Hmmmm weird. Must not be a thing where I am then. The only person I think of when I think of Marilyn Monroe is Holly Madison when she was on the Girls Next Door show. 

LGW2015

@NoraAurora Now that IS an unpopular opinion about HIMYM The thing I hate most about it is that we spent an entire season completely invested in Barney and Robin's wedding and then in the course of 2 minutes they explain that they're divorced and we're supposed to be rooting for Ted and Robin again. The finale was just so rushed and I felt most of the last season was a waste where they actually could've been developing the storyline that they quickly lay out in the finale.

CopperBoom86

I think fashion trends are dumb. Examples: that weird Aztec Indian looking tribal pattern that was popular a while back (especially in leggings), giant monograms on errthang, color blocking, anything hipster... All dumb. 

Jeans and tees foreva! 

mothernorth

CopperBoom86 said:

I think fashion trends are dumb. Examples: that weird Aztec Indian looking tribal pattern that was popular a while back (especially in leggings), giant monograms on errthang, color blocking, anything hipster... All dumb. 

Jeans and tees foreva! 

You just sang my heart song.

blaf322

LGW2015 said:

@NoraAurora Now that IS an unpopular opinion about HIMYM The thing I hate most about it is that we spent an entire season completely invested in Barney and Robin's wedding and then in the course of 2 minutes they explain that they're divorced and we're supposed to be rooting for Ted and Robin again. The finale was just so rushed and I felt most of the last season was a waste where they actually could've been developing the storyline that they quickly lay out in the finale.

I also hated that they get me all excited about his wife. Like, I want all these warm and fuzzies about how much I love them as a couple. And then... Robin. I mean, I can join the Robin bandwagon, but, to your point, it was so rushed!

mothernorth

NoraAurora said:

I liked the series finale of How I Met Your Mother. 

People who work in retail complain too much about working in retail. 

Addiction is a disease, not a crime.

Never watched HIMYM so no input there,
I LOVE retail, especially when it involved commission because apparently I am far more charming IRL than I am on the interwebz, and overall I couldn't agree more about addiction, I've met criminals who weren't addicts and addicts who weren't criminals but I can branch off a few different directions with that one depending on specifics. 

Schell2013

I hate Costco! I can't handle the lines and many other things that come along with it. 

ibabyloveb87

@CopperBoom86 Don't judge me and my monograms!!!!  ok I'm not one that goes super overboard with them, but I do have several monogrammed wardrobe items.  I do have a hard time getting into a lot of trends. I usually get into it as they go out. Oh well. 

Also, I don't feel like doing anything today so excuse my excessive bumping. 

CopperBoom86

@ibabyloveb87 - You have to understand... I live in the deep South...

ibabyloveb87

I'm wearing a monogrammed shirt just for @CopperBoom86 in my HDBD picture next week. And I totally will forget I said this. 

LMNOBaby

@ibabyloveb87 @CopperBoom86 - I, too, love my monograms! But not on everything...it's a pick and choose kind of thing. And I've veered away from it since getting married last year since the new initials just don't look right! Baby better watch out though - good thing I'm Team Green, or it could have been getting crazy up in here!

queen_frostine

I'm not into monograms (or decorating with words in any way) but I mentioned our baby's initials and my aunt was suspiciously interested so now I'm worried something will have monograms on it.

I NEVER bought Ted & Robin. They just weren't a good match. They were never as good a match as Robin and Barney (although there are good reasons for that not to work out) or Ted and Tracy. Of course no couple can toch Marshall and Lily

booksandicecream

I was trying to think of a UO, but apparently my evil pregnancy hormones are taking a break today so I'll just have to go with:
I can't stand HIMYM - it's soo over-the-top dumb I feel like I lose IQ points every time I see it.

fitlady21

NoraAurora said:

I liked the series finale of How I Met Your Mother. 

People who work in retail complain too much about working in retail. 

Addiction is a disease, not a crime.

I like the series finale too.. Definitely agree about complaining too much in retail.

I disagree with your last statement. Most of the time the addiction starts due to a choice. If you realize you have an addictive personality, you have to be extra careful with your choices.

depineta

Me too, @books&icecream. I've never understood the love for HIMYM or Big Bang Theory.  

krzyriver

I rewatched all 9 seasons of HIMYM when I was on my two month leave earlier this pregnancy and I'm torn about the finale now. When you rewatch it, it's really obvious that it was always going to end that way. And knowing everything (not just the mother/Ted/Robin stuff) makes all the flash forwards/backwards and in-jokes even more enjoyable and clever. 

But I can't shake the feeling that it's still WRONG. Lol. I thought it was building up to this epic love, so strong that it would make him forget a woman he loved for 9 years. The mother really got short changed, because she was wonderful and ended up with someone who loved her, but basically used her for marriage and kids until he could finally be with Robin.

And I thought Robin and Barney would find a love together that would change them both enough to overcome their personal obstacles and be happy. But after a whole season dedicated to their wedding, they were divorced 20 minutes later. 

Its really ruined the rest of the show for me. I don't know if I'll ever watch it again.

ibabyloveb87

I never even finished watching HIMYM. I got SO bored with Ted. Just pick a wife dang it!!! 

krzyriver

fitlady21 said:

NoraAurora said:

I liked the series finale of How I Met Your Mother. 

People who work in retail complain too much about working in retail. 

Addiction is a disease, not a crime.

I like the series finale too.. Definitely agree about complaining too much in retail.

I disagree with your last statement. Most of the time the addiction starts due to a choice. If you realize you have an addictive personality, you have to be extra careful with your choices.

Most of the time addiction starts because of struggles you are having in other aspects of your life. I became an alcoholic because I was suffering from massive depression and was desperate for a way to feel alive again. Starting to drink was a choice, but my inability to stop was not, was very real, and was very hard to overcome. I'm not saying it was a good way to handle it, but just because I made a bad choice doesn't mean it's not a disease.

fitlady21

krzyriver said:

fitlady21 said:

NoraAurora said:

I liked the series finale of How I Met Your Mother. 

People who work in retail complain too much about working in retail. 

Addiction is a disease, not a crime.

I like the series finale too.. Definitely agree about complaining too much in retail.

I disagree with your last statement. Most of the time the addiction starts due to a choice. If you realize you have an addictive personality, you have to be extra careful with your choices.

Most of the time addiction starts because of struggles you are having in other aspects of your life. I became an alcoholic because I was suffering from massive depression and was desperate for a way to feel alive again. Starting to drink was a choice, but my inability to stop was not, was very real, and was very hard to overcome. I'm not saying it was a good way to handle it, but just because I made a bad choice doesn't mean it's not a disease.

I'm sorry for your struggles. I understand the inability to stop while addicted to something but I still disagree that it's a disease. I was married to a man for a short period of time that was addicted to pain killers and had been since he was 18. He chose not to tell me about it until after marriage. He had a great job, loving family, and wasnt depressed at all. He just started taking pills one day and couldn't stop. If he never made that choice years ago, his life would have turned out a lot differently. 

ignoscemihi

depineta said:

Me too, @books&icecream. I've never understood the love for HIMYM or Big Bang Theory.  

Oh, Big Bang Theory.  That laugh track drives me crazy.  My in-laws love it and I just don't get it.  It's almost as bad as Two and A Half Men.

krzyriver

fitlady21 said:

krzyriver said:

fitlady21 said:

NoraAurora said:

I liked the series finale of How I Met Your Mother. 

People who work in retail complain too much about working in retail. 

Addiction is a disease, not a crime.

I like the series finale too.. Definitely agree about complaining too much in retail.

I disagree with your last statement. Most of the time the addiction starts due to a choice. If you realize you have an addictive personality, you have to be extra careful with your choices.

Most of the time addiction starts because of struggles you are having in other aspects of your life. I became an alcoholic because I was suffering from massive depression and was desperate for a way to feel alive again. Starting to drink was a choice, but my inability to stop was not, was very real, and was very hard to overcome. I'm not saying it was a good way to handle it, but just because I made a bad choice doesn't mean it's not a disease.

I'm sorry for your struggles. I understand the inability to stop while addicted to something but I still disagree that it's a disease. I was married to a man for a short period of time that was addicted to pain killers and had been since he was 18. He chose not to tell me about it until after marriage. He had a great job, loving family, and wasnt depressed at all. He just started taking pills one day and couldn't stop. If he never made that choice years ago, his life would have turned out a lot differently. 

I don't buy "choice" as an argument for it not being a disease. I make a lot of choices every day that could lead to diseases. Eating fast food. Smoking. Etc. I'm not saying I'm not open to a scientific explanation for why it's not a disease, I'm just saying that it is considered medical fact, not an opinion, that addiction is a disease. If that's changed, feel free to point me to the proof/medical journal/study.

ibabyloveb87

A lot of people start using drugs and/or alcohol because they are curious, or their friends are all doing it. Those who already have an issue like depression, anxiety, or whatever, are trying to find a way to make themselves feel better. 

I believe it is a disease because it's not something anyone really plans on having. A lot of people find themselves in it when it's already too late to just stop.  And it takes treatment and is a struggle everyday, regardless of how you got into it. 

I have anxiety and a lot of people have said they think it's just a made up thing in your head. Maybe it was originally; maybe I am wired to be more anxious than others. But it's real and the only thing that helped was finding a way to treat it. I think addiction works in a similar way. You may have initially created the problem for yourself by making a choice, but it's still a real condition that has to be dealt with just like a disease. 

fitlady21

krzyriver said:

fitlady21 said:

krzyriver said:

fitlady21 said:

NoraAurora said:

I liked the series finale of How I Met Your Mother. 

People who work in retail complain too much about working in retail. 

Addiction is a disease, not a crime.

I like the series finale too.. Definitely agree about complaining too much in retail.

I disagree with your last statement. Most of the time the addiction starts due to a choice. If you realize you have an addictive personality, you have to be extra careful with your choices.

Most of the time addiction starts because of struggles you are having in other aspects of your life. I became an alcoholic because I was suffering from massive depression and was desperate for a way to feel alive again. Starting to drink was a choice, but my inability to stop was not, was very real, and was very hard to overcome. I'm not saying it was a good way to handle it, but just because I made a bad choice doesn't mean it's not a disease.

I'm sorry for your struggles. I understand the inability to stop while addicted to something but I still disagree that it's a disease. I was married to a man for a short period of time that was addicted to pain killers and had been since he was 18. He chose not to tell me about it until after marriage. He had a great job, loving family, and wasnt depressed at all. He just started taking pills one day and couldn't stop. If he never made that choice years ago, his life would have turned out a lot differently. 

I don't buy "choice" as an argument for it not being a disease. I make a lot of choices every day that could lead to diseases. Eating fast food. Smoking. Etc. I'm not saying I'm not open to a scientific explanation for why it's not a disease, I'm just saying that it is considered medical fact, not an opinion, that addiction is a disease. If that's changed, feel free to point me to the proof/medical journal/study.

Whoa whoa whoa. I thought this was unpopular opinions.. Not show me the fact. You have your opinion, I have mine. I can respect yours even though I disagree. 

fitlady21

And yes medical studies show it's a disease. But there are many sources that show that the changes in the brain due to addiction are not abnormal whatsoever meaning addiction is not a disease. https://www.thecleanslate.org/myths/addiction-is-not-a-brain-disease-it-is-a-choice/

Might not be a medical journal but it explains why addiction isn't a disease quite well.

krzyriver

fitlady21 said:

krzyriver said:

fitlady21 said:

krzyriver said:

fitlady21 said:

NoraAurora said:

I liked the series finale of How I Met Your Mother. 

People who work in retail complain too much about working in retail. 

Addiction is a disease, not a crime.

I like the series finale too.. Definitely agree about complaining too much in retail.

I disagree with your last statement. Most of the time the addiction starts due to a choice. If you realize you have an addictive personality, you have to be extra careful with your choices.

Most of the time addiction starts because of struggles you are having in other aspects of your life. I became an alcoholic because I was suffering from massive depression and was desperate for a way to feel alive again. Starting to drink was a choice, but my inability to stop was not, was very real, and was very hard to overcome. I'm not saying it was a good way to handle it, but just because I made a bad choice doesn't mean it's not a disease.

I'm sorry for your struggles. I understand the inability to stop while addicted to something but I still disagree that it's a disease. I was married to a man for a short period of time that was addicted to pain killers and had been since he was 18. He chose not to tell me about it until after marriage. He had a great job, loving family, and wasnt depressed at all. He just started taking pills one day and couldn't stop. If he never made that choice years ago, his life would have turned out a lot differently. 

I don't buy "choice" as an argument for it not being a disease. I make a lot of choices every day that could lead to diseases. Eating fast food. Smoking. Etc. I'm not saying I'm not open to a scientific explanation for why it's not a disease, I'm just saying that it is considered medical fact, not an opinion, that addiction is a disease. If that's changed, feel free to point me to the proof/medical journal/study.

Whoa whoa whoa. I thought this was unpopular opinions.. Not show me the fact. You have your opinion, I have mine. I can respect yours even though I disagree. 

I'm not sure why the whoa whoa whoa was necessary. I'm giving you my reason for disagreeing with you, and that's that addiction is considered a disease by the medical community. But I'm open to being proven wrong, hence the invitation. It wasn't confrontational, we were having a back and forth discussion.

fitlady21

krzyriver said:

fitlady21 said:

krzyriver said:

fitlady21 said:

krzyriver said:

fitlady21 said:

NoraAurora said:

I liked the series finale of How I Met Your Mother. 

People who work in retail complain too much about working in retail. 

Addiction is a disease, not a crime.

I like the series finale too.. Definitely agree about complaining too much in retail.

I disagree with your last statement. Most of the time the addiction starts due to a choice. If you realize you have an addictive personality, you have to be extra careful with your choices.

Most of the time addiction starts because of struggles you are having in other aspects of your life. I became an alcoholic because I was suffering from massive depression and was desperate for a way to feel alive again. Starting to drink was a choice, but my inability to stop was not, was very real, and was very hard to overcome. I'm not saying it was a good way to handle it, but just because I made a bad choice doesn't mean it's not a disease.

I'm sorry for your struggles. I understand the inability to stop while addicted to something but I still disagree that it's a disease. I was married to a man for a short period of time that was addicted to pain killers and had been since he was 18. He chose not to tell me about it until after marriage. He had a great job, loving family, and wasnt depressed at all. He just started taking pills one day and couldn't stop. If he never made that choice years ago, his life would have turned out a lot differently. 

I don't buy "choice" as an argument for it not being a disease. I make a lot of choices every day that could lead to diseases. Eating fast food. Smoking. Etc. I'm not saying I'm not open to a scientific explanation for why it's not a disease, I'm just saying that it is considered medical fact, not an opinion, that addiction is a disease. If that's changed, feel free to point me to the proof/medical journal/study.

Whoa whoa whoa. I thought this was unpopular opinions.. Not show me the fact. You have your opinion, I have mine. I can respect yours even though I disagree. 

I'm not sure why the whoa whoa whoa was necessary. I'm giving you my reason for disagreeing with you, and that's that addiction is considered a disease by the medical community. But I'm open to being proven wrong, hence the invitation. It wasn't confrontational, we were having a back and forth discussion.

I'm not trying to prove anyone wrong. I'm just saying I highly disagree. I posted an article above that states why the medical community thinks it's a disease (due to changes in the brain) and it states that it's not abnormal. It even goes on to show a study in taxi drivers saying how just that changes ones brain. 

krzyriver

fitlady21 said:

krzyriver said:

fitlady21 said:

krzyriver said:

fitlady21 said:

krzyriver said:

fitlady21 said:

NoraAurora said:

I liked the series finale of How I Met Your Mother. 

People who work in retail complain too much about working in retail. 

Addiction is a disease, not a crime.

I like the series finale too.. Definitely agree about complaining too much in retail.

I disagree with your last statement. Most of the time the addiction starts due to a choice. If you realize you have an addictive personality, you have to be extra careful with your choices.

Most of the time addiction starts because of struggles you are having in other aspects of your life. I became an alcoholic because I was suffering from massive depression and was desperate for a way to feel alive again. Starting to drink was a choice, but my inability to stop was not, was very real, and was very hard to overcome. I'm not saying it was a good way to handle it, but just because I made a bad choice doesn't mean it's not a disease.

I'm sorry for your struggles. I understand the inability to stop while addicted to something but I still disagree that it's a disease. I was married to a man for a short period of time that was addicted to pain killers and had been since he was 18. He chose not to tell me about it until after marriage. He had a great job, loving family, and wasnt depressed at all. He just started taking pills one day and couldn't stop. If he never made that choice years ago, his life would have turned out a lot differently. 

I don't buy "choice" as an argument for it not being a disease. I make a lot of choices every day that could lead to diseases. Eating fast food. Smoking. Etc. I'm not saying I'm not open to a scientific explanation for why it's not a disease, I'm just saying that it is considered medical fact, not an opinion, that addiction is a disease. If that's changed, feel free to point me to the proof/medical journal/study.

Whoa whoa whoa. I thought this was unpopular opinions.. Not show me the fact. You have your opinion, I have mine. I can respect yours even though I disagree. 

I'm not sure why the whoa whoa whoa was necessary. I'm giving you my reason for disagreeing with you, and that's that addiction is considered a disease by the medical community. But I'm open to being proven wrong, hence the invitation. It wasn't confrontational, we were having a back and forth discussion.

I'm not trying to prove anyone wrong. I'm just saying I highly disagree. I posted an article above that states why the medical community thinks it's a disease (due to changes in the brain) and it states that it's not abnormal. It even goes on to show a study in taxi drivers saying how just that changes ones brain. 

I didn't say you were, but I invited you to prove me wrong because that's how real debate/discussion works in my opinion.

fitlady21

krzyriver said:

fitlady21 said:

krzyriver said:

fitlady21 said:

krzyriver said:

fitlady21 said:

krzyriver said:

fitlady21 said:

NoraAurora said:

I liked the series finale of How I Met Your Mother. 

People who work in retail complain too much about working in retail. 

Addiction is a disease, not a crime.

I like the series finale too.. Definitely agree about complaining too much in retail.

I disagree with your last statement. Most of the time the addiction starts due to a choice. If you realize you have an addictive personality, you have to be extra careful with your choices.

Most of the time addiction starts because of struggles you are having in other aspects of your life. I became an alcoholic because I was suffering from massive depression and was desperate for a way to feel alive again. Starting to drink was a choice, but my inability to stop was not, was very real, and was very hard to overcome. I'm not saying it was a good way to handle it, but just because I made a bad choice doesn't mean it's not a disease.

I'm sorry for your struggles. I understand the inability to stop while addicted to something but I still disagree that it's a disease. I was married to a man for a short period of time that was addicted to pain killers and had been since he was 18. He chose not to tell me about it until after marriage. He had a great job, loving family, and wasnt depressed at all. He just started taking pills one day and couldn't stop. If he never made that choice years ago, his life would have turned out a lot differently. 

I don't buy "choice" as an argument for it not being a disease. I make a lot of choices every day that could lead to diseases. Eating fast food. Smoking. Etc. I'm not saying I'm not open to a scientific explanation for why it's not a disease, I'm just saying that it is considered medical fact, not an opinion, that addiction is a disease. If that's changed, feel free to point me to the proof/medical journal/study.

Whoa whoa whoa. I thought this was unpopular opinions.. Not show me the fact. You have your opinion, I have mine. I can respect yours even though I disagree. 

I'm not sure why the whoa whoa whoa was necessary. I'm giving you my reason for disagreeing with you, and that's that addiction is considered a disease by the medical community. But I'm open to being proven wrong, hence the invitation. It wasn't confrontational, we were having a back and forth discussion.

I'm not trying to prove anyone wrong. I'm just saying I highly disagree. I posted an article above that states why the medical community thinks it's a disease (due to changes in the brain) and it states that it's not abnormal. It even goes on to show a study in taxi drivers saying how just that changes ones brain. 

I didn't say you were, but I invited you to prove me wrong because that's how real debate/discussion works in my opinion.

Well even though the article isn't from a medical journal, it explains it well. So read it and maybe it will give you another view on this issue. And if not, that's okay too. 

westcoastfoodie

krzyriver said:

fitlady21 said:

krzyriver said:

fitlady21 said:

NoraAurora said:

I liked the series finale of How I Met Your Mother. 

People who work in retail complain too much about working in retail. 

Addiction is a disease, not a crime.

I like the series finale too.. Definitely agree about complaining too much in retail.

I disagree with your last statement. Most of the time the addiction starts due to a choice. If you realize you have an addictive personality, you have to be extra careful with your choices.

Most of the time addiction starts because of struggles you are having in other aspects of your life. I became an alcoholic because I was suffering from massive depression and was desperate for a way to feel alive again. Starting to drink was a choice, but my inability to stop was not, was very real, and was very hard to overcome. I'm not saying it was a good way to handle it, but just because I made a bad choice doesn't mean it's not a disease.

I'm sorry for your struggles. I understand the inability to stop while addicted to something but I still disagree that it's a disease. I was married to a man for a short period of time that was addicted to pain killers and had been since he was 18. He chose not to tell me about it until after marriage. He had a great job, loving family, and wasnt depressed at all. He just started taking pills one day and couldn't stop. If he never made that choice years ago, his life would have turned out a lot differently. 

I don't buy "choice" as an argument for it not being a disease. I make a lot of choices every day that could lead to diseases. Eating fast food. Smoking. Etc. I'm not saying I'm not open to a scientific explanation for why it's not a disease, I'm just saying that it is considered medical fact, not an opinion, that addiction is a disease. If that's changed, feel free to point me to the proof/medical journal/study.

Yeah I'm with @krzyriver on this one, especially as far as it being a fact rather than a matter of opinion. I made several choices when I was a teenager to drink excessively and do cocaine every day. I went through therapy, NA and AA, but I don't consider myself an addict. I can now have a drink here and there (not while pregnant obviously and I actually rarely drink in regular life), without wanting/needing more and I know when to stop and control myself. It's totally a non-issue. A disease is out of your control... I just made dumb choices.   

ETA: So I reread my post and wanted to clarify lol... my point being is that, people can make shitty decisions without being addicts. They can stop at anytime. Addiction itself though, is not a choice.

TurtleMomma

I agree with the Cincinati Zoo's decision to kill Harambe. Tranquilizing takes time and can backfire in an already agitated animal (I worked in the veterinary field, I have experience in the matter). That doesn't make it any less of a tragic loss for the species, but I understand and agree with *why* the decision was made.   

I think the mother is responsible for the actions of her child, but I don't necessarily blame her for what happened. I think this is a tragic accident all the way around. 

*zips of flame suit and hides*

mothernorth

TurtleMomma said:

I agree with the Cincinati Zoo's decision to kill Harambe. Tranquilizing takes time and can backfire in an already agitated animal (I worked in the veterinary field, I have experience in the matter). That doesn't make it any less of a tragic loss for the species, but I understand and agree with *why* the decision was made.   

I think the mother is responsible for the actions of her child, but I don't necessarily blame her for what happened. I think this is a tragic accident all the way around. 

*zips of flame suit and hides*

I agree that it needed to be done, it just seems more logical than potentially agitating a giant animal that could have crushed the child in an instant if he chose to. Definitely a sad state of affairs all the way around, but it was necessary. As for the parent, not quite sure HOW the kid managed to make it through a gate and bushes into an enclosure unnoticed, but I am not exactly the poster child of flawless parenting, and I know that shit happens and can happen fast so I guess I don't have much to say about that part. So I agree, Just sad all the way around.

CopperBoom86

blaf322

TurtleMomma said:

I agree with the Cincinati Zoo's decision to kill Harambe. Tranquilizing takes time and can backfire in an already agitated animal (I worked in the veterinary field, I have experience in the matter). That doesn't make it any less of a tragic loss for the species, but I understand and agree with *why* the decision was made.   

I think the mother is responsible for the actions of her child, but I don't necessarily blame her for what happened. I think this is a tragic accident all the way around. 

*zips of flame suit and hides*

Man, I totally meant to make this my UO....and forgot. Story of my pregnant life lol.
Anyway, I think the whole thing was a lose-lose situation. If they hadn't shot Harambe, the internet would have been outraged about the fact that they didn't respond appropriately. That said I DO NOT think that the mother of that child should see any kind of repercussions for her actions. I think that saying the parents should be charged (not that you said it but that's what's floating around the internet) would imply that they were grossly negligent. From what I understand, that mother looked away from her child for a moment. This could have happened to any parent. It's not gross negligence, it's a normal mistake that I'm sure every mother makes at some point, with varying affects. It is the zoo's responsibility to ensure absolute safety of visitors and animals alike. If anyone is held responsible, it should be the zoo for not creating an enclosure that provided that protection for all.
Harambe's death is tragic. But I can't say that I wouldn't have been looking for the closest person with a weapon if I was in that mother's position and I can't blame her for doing something virtually every parent has done or will do, losing track for just a moment.

ETA: agreed Re: the tranquilizer. Apparently they hurt when shot into the animal which would have further agitated Harambe. When he collapsed eventually, if he hadn't already killed that little boy, he could have by falling on him and crushing him, and he was also in the water so apparently there was concern around him passing out in the water and dying from suffocation. Again, there was not a really great answer in this situation that would have pleased everyone.

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and here's a link to support all that I just said, b/c you know... I'm not a zoologist but this lady was.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/stephaniemcneal/zookeeper-viral-take-harambe?utm_term=.whlnKp07YB&bffbvid#.eiDERdgAlj