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Angry rant/need advice

ekscoppekscopp member
edited May 2016 in January 2016 Moms
So as I have already posted, LO has now gone 12 days without pooping. She is EBF so I know 8-10 days can be normal. I was concerned and worried so I figured I should take her to the pedi just to be sure. Well that was a BIG mistake!! First he said to supplement bc she isn't getting enough milk (not the case as I have an oversupply), then said to give her peaches to help (she is only 14 weeks and soooo not ready for food, so um no) but then he did a digital rectal exam to ensure nothing was blocking the way - necessary I know, but the screaming that came out of my LO broke my heart and made me want to punch the doc in the face. It traumatized me more than her I know, but still. So now as a FTM I have no idea what to do. I'm def not following the pedi's advice with food or supplementing, but I also don't want to be ignoring the issue if there is one. I called the lactation specialist to see her opinion and she said to treat the baby not the poop, but LO has been fussy bc I'm pretty sure she has started leap 4. She isn't straining trying to poop, pedi said the poop was soft on that horrible exam and her belly is not distended and she is eating normally. I'm at such a loss of what to do. Any advice? 

Edited bc typing while holding LO is hard.

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    Is she passing gas normally? This product is so gross, but the reviews on it say that it has the added benefit of "getting things moving." https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007RAGALO/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_1?pf_rd_p=1944687502&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B005IGTTIA&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0FE26VBX3680MWX75DE7
    I haven't personally tried it, but it might be worth a shot.
    I think it might be time to seek a second opinion. Have you tried seeing a DO, instead of a pediatrician? They may have a way to solve the problem that a pedi might not. 
    The only other thing that we've discovered causes our LO to have an extra bowel movement (we discovered by accident--we were treating acid reflux,) is gripe water. It sometimes gives babies looser bowels, so that's a thought.
    Good luck! Hopefully LO isn't too uncomfortable!
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    I don't really have any advice and I'm sorry! I was really hoping she would have gone by now.  As pp said maybe a second opinion?  I'm sorry you had to go through that at the doctor.  I would be upset as well. Keep us posted. I hope your lo just decides today is the day to poop!
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    Awe that's rough! My LO struggles with bouts of constipation which we assume is from his reflux medication. He is formula fed which I know is completely different but his pediatrician had us start him on a liquid probiotic. It has def helped to regulate him. Maybe that's something you could talk with him about or with a different pediatrician if you get a second opinion. 
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    ekscoppekscopp member
    Thanks for your help. I am literally crying right now I am so stressed. She is screaming crying and won't latch. Thankfully I had pumped milk in the fridge and was able to feed her with a bottle. Although she screamed through that and is still screaming. Idk if it's from the lack of pooping or not but I am ready to loose my mind
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    I'm so sorry you're going through this! We experienced this when my son was about 8 weeks old and he's EBF too and it was so stressful! My pedi recommended warm apple juice. I was SO against it, but after 8 days and he was obviously hurting we did it. They said one ounce but I just did half and later that night he had a BM. I would talk to your Dr before doing it, but it did work for us! He eventually evened out his BM's and has them regularly. I learned I can't eat dairy products and that helped too. Good luck mamma, I know how stressful it is!
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    My midwife has suggested fennel tea for gas related issues. I have drank it myself and given LO a couple of cooled teaspoons of it. It seems to clear up digestion issues but he hasn't been constipated.
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    My son is EFF, but much earlier on he hadn't pooped in 8 days. The pediatrician suggested some warm apple juice. Mix 1 ounce of apple juice and one ounce of warm but not hot water. It took a few hours but DS finally did poop. I know that if he goes more than a day he gets irritable and fussy, so I can imagine how hard it must be. Hang in there mama!
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    Apple juice would work! I just remembered my little girl went about 10 or 11 days so my pedi suggested a little dark Karo syrup with about an ounce of warm water in a bottle. Worked like a charm. I would stilll seek another peditrician if the one you saw has handled your baby in any way you aren't happy with. I've had to switched pediatricians and I love the one she sees now
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    Apple juice would work! I just remembered my little girl went about 10 or 11 days so my pedi suggested a little dark Karo syrup with about an ounce of warm water in a bottle. 
    Yep. This too. Before we got him on probiotics his pediatrician said we could give him an ounce of apple juice or tsp of sugar (same concept as karo syrup) in a warm bottle (to help the sugar disolve) I did the later and it worked later that day. 
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    Because she had a rectal temp taken, she should poop from that. Most babies will poop within 24 hours of a rectal exam. I know that, that was suggested for me to do with my LO, if I became really worried and/or he hadn't gone for another 2-3 days. They obviously don't recommend it, because then babies aren't learning to poop, you're pretty much telling them they are going to poop. So hopefully, something comes of it soon for you.

    its awful seeing them hurt, because they can't tell us why. :( hope she gets some relief. I agree with others and I'd seek out a new pediatrician. 
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    Might as well get a second opinion as it seems like you need a new pediatrician anyway. Is there another doctor or nurse in the practice you could speak to without having to go in? (I know most places won't give advice to new patients over the phone, and now may not be the easiest time to take little one out looking for a new dr).
    My dd was always constipated and we tried everything... Karo or juice really does do the trick. If baby likes bath time a warm bath could help her relax. We also found that she usually pooped when she was in her vibrating bouncy seat. My son prefers the swing. 
    Maybe ask the dr. and lactation consultant later for advice on diet changes to help keep her regular. 
    I know this is awful to go through, and I hope she's feeling better really soon. 
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    If it were me, I would get a second opinion and maybe even a new ped all together. What led the ped to automatically assume that you needed to supplement? Is your baby not gaining? Did you do a weighted feed while you were there? I'm also curious as to how many wet diapers you are getting per day. Per kellymom, 4-5+ sopping wet diapers a day is good and 10+ days without a BM can be normal and not an indication that LO is not getting enough milk. (I'm attaching a pic of the diaper count chart from kellymom too, in case you haven't seen it.) If you are still concerned and want to try and stimulate a BM, you could try holding baby over the sink, facing away from you, with your hands under her thighs, bringing her knees to her tummy. Hold her like this and let warm (almost hot, but not enough to burn obviously) water run over her anus for a minute or two. This induces a BM very quickly 9x out of 10 for my LO if she seems uncomfortable. As for the fussing at the breast and taking a bottle instead, could your LO possibly have just been over tired and the fussiness not related to the not pooping or her being uncomfortable? My LO does that exact thing when she is overtired. I'm sorry that you are worrying about this. I know it's hard not knowing how much milk baby is getting when you're BFing and then there is this whole range of what can be normal or not when it comes to BMs. It's enough to drive anyone crazy with worry. Hopefully you get a BM and some peace of mind soon. 


     
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    Update:

    Well first thank you ladies for all your adivce/support. First, that pedi isn't the one we usually see, just the one seeing sick visits that day -don't plan on seeing him ever again. Second, I spoke with lactation specialist again and they recommended glycerin suppositories and putting gentle pressure on her anus. I tried both and nothing. I tried an oz of pear juice mixed with milk in a bottle earlier today as my friend told me her pedi recommended this, obviously this didn't work yet. She didn't eat barley all day. She cried every time I put her to breast and she would suck on the bottle for a little until the milk came out then she would cry. She took maybe a total of 6 oz over 10 hours.... so stressful. She has been peeing a lot though, and just now she ate for a few min at the breast and passed out. I'm glad she finally ate a little more, but still no poop. Thank you @Beverly0628 I'll try the warm water thing when she wakes up. I'll literally try anything. And where do you get Karo syrup @mrsgetz4000? I will try anything. Hopefully she will go by tomorrow.
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    jordans_wifejordans_wife member
    edited May 2016
    Oh so sorry for you. There's nothing worse then your baby hurting. I'm stressed just reading this. I would try the Karo syrup. My cousin uses this for her baby. It's usually found on the baking isle I think. Just ask a clerk at the store. If it were me I'd go straight away for some of that. I'd do that and some bicycle legs. You can Google that. Then try the water trick a previous poster was talking about. The vibrating seat always worked for my guy. Good luck mom. I think the fact she's not eating and in pain shows she's obviously being effected by it. If all that failed I'd take her to minor care for an enema or something so she can get relief. I hope she and you get relief soon!
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    No other advice but good luck momma, sounds so stressful! 
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    Karo syrup is in the baking isle at most grocery stores! Fx your LO goes soon :)
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    Okays, glad I did log on today. DD2 has had multiple issues and I haven't even been able to really get on FB let alone on here.
    When babies stop eating, that's a red flag, the fact she has gone so long with out a BM is a red flag. I would want abdominal x-rays or an abdominal CT. To me, from DD2's recent issues, it sounds like a possible bowel obstruction to me and they need to do something sooner rather than later. I would be asking for a more established doctor because that doctor doesn't know what he's doing. As a nurse, I know better than that even. So if need be, take her to the ER and tell them what all is going on and have them do an abdominal x-ray or CT. Your baby is telling you something is wrong. We know it's most likely bowel related and someone needs to do the proper testing vs making an assumption. Children's medicine is not that cut and dry so that doctor should have done imaging to ensure to actually know what was going on.

    DD2 reduced how much she was eating and then she stopped eating all together. We had made her 2 bottles both trying to get her to eat, but she wouldn't. She would just cry. She had previously had a liquid stool and taking care of kiddos, bowel obstruction was the first thing on my mind, so I drove her to the pediatric ER. They did an abdominal X-ray, sure enough she had a partial bowel obstruction. They gave her a suppository and told me what else to watch out for. We did a little apple juice (15 mL) once a day and she eventually passed the hard pebble junk blocking her bowel.
    With bowel obstructions your baby can still have bowel movements because anything liquid can go around the obstruction depending on how it is. However..you need to be very cautious of a total bowel obstruction because that's where nothing can get through. It makes everything time sensitive because depending on how things are blocked off, it can cause her bowel to lose blood flow and die off. That would require emergency surgery for her.

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    kgcnyckgcnyc member
    Yes! What @Ju111310 said! Just last week I read that EBF babies may be using all the nutrients which is why they may go many days before a BM. And this was after many nights googling, a trip to the pediatrician and a BM 7 days later. 
    Also, many things unrelated could be causing your babe to not want to eat. We've had days of this too! I just watch for peepee diapers.
    I think many people gave great advice. It's easier said than done, but try to stay calm and follow your gut. If you want to go to ER, then go. best of luck!
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    Thank you @Ju111310 . That makes me feel a little better. She did eat before she went to bed and just woke up now to eat. Nothing has worked so far in being productive, so you're right, she may not be backed up. It's just so hard and stressful to not know. There can be so many reasons why she is cranky. Hopefully she goes soon and all goes back to normal!
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    l4rkl4rk member
    I actually think @PedsIsHardcore has a point, and would also be considering a trip to the ER at this point, even just to rule out the more serious issues. She presumably sees the most severe cases and that's where her angle on this comes from. And @Ju111310, this is the same doctor OP posted to rant about, right? ...I personally wouldn't put so much faith in a single doctor's education or opinion. 
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    Lurking from October 2015 but when my son was about 2 months he didn't poop for 10 days. His pedi recommended some Miralax in a bottle of bm. We used the "just a pinch" measuring spoon and put two of them in three ounces and it worked for him
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    MyelhsaMyelhsa member
    edited May 2016
    @Ju111310 How dare you! Logic and sound reasoning?! You've gone too far...
    :)

    ETA: Seriously though, it seems like you got a lot of good advice and opinions OP. Keep us posted on your LO. I hope things get better for you soon!
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    ChipMonsterChipMonster member
    edited May 2016
    Ju111310 said:
    @l4rk Have you seen the crap she posts? I believe she claims to work home health so she doesn't see acute conditions like that at all, and well "feline cognitive dysfunction"....enough said. Taking any medical advice from her is a terrible idea. I have to bite my tongue at her every post but this one was just too much for me. I'm an advanced practice nurse (FNP) and I work with a pediatrician but I usually refrain from offering medical advice online and instead just share my experience as a mother.

    I'm not saying this is the case here, because I haven't seen the baby & there may be a legitimate problem. But ER visits to alleviate mother's anxiety cause increased wait times for true emergencies and contribute to increased healthcare costs.  Unless OP is lucky enough to live near a hospital with a peds ER, ER doctors are often not the best ones to make a call regarding an infant so many of them order unnecessary tests to cover their asses. And I can't blame them, but holding out till Monday to see her usual pediatrician for a second opinion is a safe call if the baby isn't in distress. 
    edit: having a hard time, please insert gif of a mic drop. 


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    Ju111310 said:
    @l4rk Have you seen the crap she posts? I believe she claims to work home health so she doesn't see acute conditions like that at all, and well "feline cognitive dysfunction"....enough said. Taking any medical advice from her is a terrible idea. I have to bite my tongue at her every post but this one was just too much for me. I'm an advanced practice nurse (FNP) and I work with a pediatrician but I usually refrain from offering medical advice online and instead just share my experience as a mother.

    I'm not saying this is the case here, because I haven't seen the baby & there may be a legitimate problem. But ER visits to alleviate mother's anxiety cause increased wait times for true emergencies and contribute to increased healthcare costs.  Unless OP is lucky enough to live near a hospital with a peds ER, ER doctors are often not the best ones to make a call regarding an infant so many of them order unnecessary tests to cover their asses. And I can't blame them, but holding out till Monday to see her usual pediatrician for a second opinion is a safe call if the baby isn't in distress. 
    Feline cognitive disfunction is a legitimate geriatric condition that affects many cats. 


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    012016 said:
    Ju111310 said:
    @l4rk Have you seen the crap she posts? I believe she claims to work home health so she doesn't see acute conditions like that at all, and well "feline cognitive dysfunction"....enough said. Taking any medical advice from her is a terrible idea. I have to bite my tongue at her every post but this one was just too much for me. I'm an advanced practice nurse (FNP) and I work with a pediatrician but I usually refrain from offering medical advice online and instead just share my experience as a mother.

    I'm not saying this is the case here, because I haven't seen the baby & there may be a legitimate problem. But ER visits to alleviate mother's anxiety cause increased wait times for true emergencies and contribute to increased healthcare costs.  Unless OP is lucky enough to live near a hospital with a peds ER, ER doctors are often not the best ones to make a call regarding an infant so many of them order unnecessary tests to cover their asses. And I can't blame them, but holding out till Monday to see her usual pediatrician for a second opinion is a safe call if the baby isn't in distress. 
    Feline cognitive disfunction is a legitimate geriatric condition that affects many cats. 


     :D:lol: :lol: 
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    edited May 2016
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    My LO was having constipation issues early on and I am EBF. I started taking probiotics myself and within 24 hours LO had a massive poop and was much happier! It's a low risk solution you could try :smile: 

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    Doctors say that a baby can go 10 days without pooping and its ok. Also, if you are exclusively breastfeeding, it may be tricky also, because breast milk breaks down and mostly all of its nourishment is absorbed and not needed to be excreted. However if you are concerned and baby seems uncomfortable, you can put about half ounce of prune juice, and half ounce of water and give to the LO. I did that once or twice, because my LO didn't poop for only 3 days, but she was straining to go. Now, what I do - I drink 4 ozs of prune juice every morning, and breastfeed and she has been fine since. About a month now. Also eating oranges is good too. I saw a YouTube video to massage LO feet, and I  have tried it about 5 times, and it worked all, but 1 time. That's when I tried the prune juice. Sorry for the long message,  hope it helps. 
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    Any updates? How is LO doing?
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    @stephanienjer day 15, no poop, but we did have a shart this morning so I'm hopeful today is the day. She is acting completely normal, eating a ton and has a soft belly. She is also passing gas normal. I've been talking to the pedi and they recommended milk of mag, but she isn't uncomfortable so I'm trying to wait it out. One of the nurses at the pedi said around now they go through a growth spurt snd she may just be using at the milk. 
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    I'm glad she doesn't seem uncomfortable! If something were really wrong, I think she would let you know! Try not to worry too much, mama!
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    I'm not offering medical advice. I'm stating my opinion from my own experience with it as a nurse and a mom. I can back up what I say by the AAP, CDC, and pediatricians I personally work with. Never said I had all the answers and I am not putting fear I to people. Knowledge is power and the more informed parents are, the better. At the end of the day, you are medically responsible for your what happens to your child. 
    Also feline cognitive dysfunction is a geriatric condition of cats usually 10 years old or older. You don't have to take anyone's word for it, go ask a vet. 
    Your choice, not mine.
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    Yayyyy!!! Glad to hear:)
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    One happy momma and LO!!!!
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