Those of you who got your LOs tongue and lip ties corrected - did you have to get it preauthorized? Did it go through dental or medical? What kind of exercises did you have to do afterwards?
We have a consultation on Thursday with a pediatric dentist . I'm hoping this and chiropractic can save our breastfeeding relationship.
@khochanadel the pediatrician at the hospital revised DS2's tongue tie-- no preauthorization needed. Afterwards, we just needed to make sure he stretched his tongue up for a week or so, but it happens naturally with infant crying and bfing. We had to get a referral to have his lip tie evaluated, and that goes through an ENT at Children's for us. We don't see him until next week. The pediatric dentists can re use them too though. I'd call your insurance and ask if it's covered or if there are stipulations to the coverage.
@khochanadel the LC gave us two referrals for a pediatric dentist and a pediatrician that would use a laser for the lip tie. The LC recommended a laser procedure because she said it would heal faster. I called the pediatrician, and asked if they took my insurance (which they did) and they gave me the code they would bill it as. I called insurance and they said it was covered, so I scheduled the consult, and then had the procedure done the next day. I do not know what my insurance would have done if I went through the pediatric dentist, because the girls don't have dental coverage until around age 3....
Since the procedure I have noticed a much more open latch, and much longer sleep stretches at night. The sleep and procedure might have no correlation, but my LC told me she thought sleep would improve once baby was able to nurse more efficiently. Actually, the time between nursing during the day seems to be stretching out as well, but that is natural for a newborn (she is 4 weeks today!).
@khochanadel we didn't need preauthorization, but that may be dependent on your insurance. We went to an ENT, so it was medical. DD had a tongue tie clipped, and the exercises involve using my finger to move her tongue in certain ways.
So I thought we had thrush last week.... And was told no and now sure enough, we do. I'm hysterical over over it which may not be rational. instructions are oral and cream nystatin 4x per day and sanitizing bottles etc (I've been pumping in addition to BF) every other day. I feel like there was already so much to be done without being beholden to all of this.
Please tell me it gets better and any tips for additional things you've done to fight it. LO has minimal white on her tongue and a bad rash on her behind. I have bright pink and irritated nipples- to the point that when pumping last night I had to keep the level so low to make it bearable and it still felt like burning/pins and needles.
I can't do diflucan as I'm highly allergic so we are stuck with nystatin only.
So I thought we had thrush last week.... And was told no and now sure enough, we do. I'm hysterical over over it which may not be rational. instructions are oral and cream nystatin 4x per day and sanitizing bottles etc (I've been pumping in addition to BF) every other day. I feel like there was already so much to be done without being beholden to all of this.
Please tell me it gets better and any tips for additional things you've done to fight it. LO has minimal white on her tongue and a bad rash on her behind. I have bright pink and irritated nipples- to the point that when pumping last night I had to keep the level so low to make it bearable and it still felt like burning/pins and needles.
I can't do diflucan as I'm highly allergic so we are stuck with nystatin only.
It gets better! We are at the hind end of thrush currently. DD's rash on her bottom is still here two and a half weeks later, but that's thanks to a dairy/soy intolerance rash as well so that made hers double bad. Her oral thrush was gone really quickly with the oral nystatin but we have continued it for the full 14 days. I mainly pump as well and initially, the added stress of being extra thorough on sterilizing nipples and pumping equipment was exhausting, but ivegot a system down now. I throw all of her nipples, pacifiers, bottles, pumping parts in the dishwasher and I add white vinegar to the cycle and make sure my dishwasher is on the hottest setting. I've been using vinegar wash on my nipples before and after every breast feed and before and after every pump session. Just to be ultra safe and ensure it doesn't come back for either of us, I've taken everything my breasts have touched throughout the day, everything DD has pooped on, and everything she's spit up on and have thrown it in the wash on hot cycle with white vinegar to make sure all the yeast is killed for sure. You will get in the groove really quickly and you'll be back to normal soon, I promise! It really sucks, but you can do it!
I feel like our thrush isn't budging. It's really frustrating. And I'm not sure if we're working through it or if our strain isn't responding to the meds....urgh. he's been fussier than usual but just in evening and I honestly don't know if it's just a witching hour situation or if it's thrush related. DEFINITELY hasnt slowed down his eating tho. And it's just white on his tongue no butt rashes. And then I wonder if I'm over reacting. The dr. Was so laid back about it, barely gave instructions at all... some people say thrush goes away on its own....some say no way. It's very frustrating!
For the past couple weeks my LO hasn't been latching well and I suspect its from our use of a paci (she was given one in the nicu and now I'm glad we use it because she has reflux and is colicky and I would lose my mind without it), and she's been nursing longer and longer. Is it possible she isn't getting enough milk with a poor latch? I hear her swallowing, so she must be getting some, right? I would hate to find out that she is spending all of this time torturing my nipples and still be starving!
@kbrands7 Have you ever tried to dreamfeed? DD's long stretch of sleep doesn't line up well with my sleep schedule so I tried the dreamfeed tonight. I've read that it sometimes works really well but can also make them start waking more often. Here's hoping she sleeps a little longer tonight!
@kbrands7 Have you ever tried to dreamfeed? DD's long stretch of sleep doesn't line up well with my sleep schedule so I tried the dreamfeed tonight. I've read that it sometimes works really well but can also make them start waking more often. Here's hoping she sleeps a little longer tonight!
Yes! I cheat the schedule like this with during the day sleep too if we're about to go out and LO is due to eat soon. If you dreamfeed at a specific time each night, it may move hee waking time to when you dreamfeed eventually. That happened with DS for me because I fed him just before I went to sleep and also just before I left for work this way and did on-demand otherwise.
@Jparke2, hey twinsie. LO uses a paci here too, it's seriously one of the only ways to keep him from spitting up all his milk post feed. Pedi mentioned that if the swallowing seems exaggerated (kind of like a glug, glug) it could be LO swallowing back stomach acid more than actually eating. We haven't had that yet so I'm not really sure what else to tell you to look for. Maybe reach out to LLL and ask if someone would be willing to meet you to help re evaluate her latch?
@Jparke2, this stupid app deleted half my response, grrrr. If your LO is nursing excessively (my son escalated to 9 or 10 hrs per day pre Prevacid), it could be a sign that her reflux still isn't responding to the meds. Post Prevacid, my son nurses 5 to 6 hrs per day, max. I thought it was a supply problem as well, but he was actually using the antacid properties in the milk to help stop the pain.
I've had significant doubts about the efficacy of the Prevacid and ended up skipping 2 doses after LO was feeling especially ill after his 2 month shots...and I've paid the price tonight. LO nursed constantly all night and screamed inconsolably whenever I needed a break. Mommy fail.
@lbachran I think I've noticrd a difference between with the prevacid. At first I thought I didn't because she still cries all the time, but now I see that it's a different cry and she doesnt do the things she did before when she was in pain from the reflux. I was hoping it would be a miracle and make her a perfect, content little baby but I'll take what I can get
Also, I guess it's time I reach out to a LC about this latch. My nips are dead. I know she is getting milk because I was just engorged and after 13 minutes of feeding it feels 100% better but still, I worry she isn't getting enough?
Don't worry, ladies. Once your kid hits the 6 week growth spurt, they'll be screaming at your drained boob because you can't produce fast enough. Even your engorged night boobs. I thought our boobs were supposed to self regulate? I think mine are broken.
Anybody try cutting dairy out of diet for gassy fussy baby? I've been hearing about it and hearing both pros and cons, I'm gonna try it. Wondering if anyone else has and how it worked.
@lizChesnut I had to cut dairy and soy due to an intolerance that DD has. It's a really rough change to make, but if you're willing then it's worth a shot! I can't speak as to whether it helps with gas and fussiness for babies that don't have a full on intolerance, because DD's symptoms were pretty severe, but all of her symptoms have resolved in just 5 days of no dairy or soy of any kind.
Anybody try cutting dairy out of diet for gassy fussy baby? I've been hearing about it and hearing both pros and cons, I'm gonna try it. Wondering if anyone else has and how it worked.
What would the cons be of trying to see if you cut it and baby improved? If baby didn't then eat your delicious dairy. If baby does improve then that is great!
Yes. First baby had an allergy (still does) and this baby acted so similar to how the first used to act the night I ate a huge pizza from a local pizza place. It was awful for my poor baby (and also the rest of us) but mostly baby who clearly felt awful for so long afterwards
I immediately cut it out 100% and baby is now back to normal. I don't plan to try dairy again for a long while because I don't want that experience again. It is actually really hard to cut dairy and the learning curve with #1 was steep as dairy is in everything. I was so surprised as I started cutting it to see what it was really in as far as different foods. If it is a true allergy you have to deal with cross contamination (for true dairy allergies can't even touch the same fryer other foods with dairy have been in, food has to be prepared with very clean pans( or foil) not shared with butter, young kids who put their hands in mouth can pick up dairy if other kids on playground/kids area are eating buttered popcorn and leave the residue on the toys, etc) . It is very very difficult to go out to eat at restaurants and eat at others homes. As others mostly all use dairy products with every meal and don't really understand the depth of it and some even think butter is ok, or yogurt, or milk in baked goods, or get it confused with eggs...
Traveling question: if we are wanting leave Abby and I just pump while we are out of town will my supply decrease because she's not sucking on me? And if she goes a couple of days with straight bottles will she still want the boob when I get back?? The hubs is anxious to take a quick couple of day road trip just me and him. but I'm nervous about how it will effect our breastfeeding relationship.
Ok, question about waking the baby. DS will be one month Sunday. I am waking him (roughly) right around every 2 hours during the day, and then giving him and myself a 4 hour stretch at night. Are you ladies still nursing every 2 hours and waking LO if need be?
@Jenly17 girl! My most treasured pediatrician/LC advice is once they reach birth weight to let them sleep as long as they can at night. If your baby is under birth weight 4 hours is perfect!!!
Thanks, @That1didntcount! I don't know if DS is back up to birthweight yet. The last time I was there, he was just under. I guess I should schedule another weight check to be sure.
@Jenly17 I only wake LO up to eat if I'm very engorged and it is painful, which usually takes at least 3-4 hours. She's a chubby bunny though and hit her birth weight really quickly.
Am I the only one who worries that they don't worry enough? Sure, my LO gets fussy and spits up and grunts but I always figure it's normal baby behavior. She seems uncomfortable at times (like when she has to poop or is gassy) but I just go into soothe mode knowing it will pass, and it does. I tried gripe water once but it didn't change anything and while she does have some reflux it's not enough to be treated with meds - and I'd prefer to avoid meds in general if possible anyway. Sometimes I read posts and I can relate to the LO behavior but not to the accompanying worry or troubleshooting. I've never been described as laid back in my life but I seem to be a laid back first time mom, much to my surprise. Can anyone relate??
@ladysamlady that's me 100%. I just remember everyone telling me you will freak out over every little thing, but every time something happens, I think it's normal. Hopefully we are right :-)
One thing I never freaked out about was regaining birth weight. Everyone said to feed him every few hours but I just thought it didn't make sense and mamas in the ancient world probably didn't do that so I just fed on demand and now I've got a chunky baby on my hands here at 6weeks.
That1didntcount said: My most treasured pediatrician/LC advice is once they reach birth weight to let them sleep as long as they can at night.
I followed this with both babies. Once they reach birthweight (or very close to it after a successful weight check) I stop worrying about their sleep and let them lead the times. But if I am engorged I will wake them, but my hungry babies don't really let that happen, so that is a rare instance.
@Jenly17 I only wake LO up to eat if I'm very engorged and it is painful, which usually takes at least 3-4 hours. She's a chubby bunny though and hit her birth weight really quickly.
Am I the only one who worries that they don't worry enough? Sure, my LO gets fussy and spits up and grunts but I always figure it's normal baby behavior. She seems uncomfortable at times (like when she has to poop or is gassy) but I just go into soothe mode knowing it will pass, and it does. I tried gripe water once but it didn't change anything and while she does have some reflux it's not enough to be treated with meds - and I'd prefer to avoid meds in general if possible anyway. Sometimes I read posts and I can relate to the LO behavior but not to the accompanying worry or troubleshooting. I've never been described as laid back in my life but I seem to be a laid back first time mom, much to my surprise. Can anyone relate??
That's pretty much me as well, even with my first baby. I think having been a teacher for a decade helps, because I've seen over and over how resilient kids are. But I still sometimes think maybe I'm the crazy one when I talk to other moms. Especially when it comes to my toddler climbing/ jumping off of things, because my whole thing is that kids basically have to learn how to fall in order to be safe, so short of him diving off of like a 12 foot climbing structure headfirst, I pretty much let him try whatever he wants to do.
Been using a nipple shield for probably 2 weeks. Going off of it after meeting a LC and she said she has a good latch (aka your nipples will hurt.. This too shall pass). So I noticed that as I'm off the nipple shield, LO spits up every time now. Never spit up before when using the shield. Now I know babies spitting up is completely normal, but I'm wondering why she didn't do it with the shield? Possibly getting less of a flow and now has been getting way more without it??
Been using a nipple shield for probably 2 weeks. Going off of it after meeting a LC and she said she has a good latch (aka your nipples will hurt.. This too shall pass). So I noticed that as I'm off the nipple shield, LO spits up every time now. Never spit up before when using the shield. Now I know babies spitting up is completely normal, but I'm wondering why she didn't do it with the shield? Possibly getting less of a flow and now has been getting way more without it??
Maybe you have a forceful or fast letdown. I don't have experience with the shield so I don't know. But DS chokes, coughs and spits up more when he nurses from me. We've been doing uphill nursing https://kellymom.com/bf/got-milk/supply-worries/fast-letdown/
@Jenly17 I only wake LO up to eat if I'm very engorged and it is painful, which usually takes at least 3-4 hours. She's a chubby bunny though and hit her birth weight really quickly.
Am I the only one who worries that they don't worry enough? Sure, my LO gets fussy and spits up and grunts but I always figure it's normal baby behavior. She seems uncomfortable at times (like when she has to poop or is gassy) but I just go into soothe mode knowing it will pass, and it does. I tried gripe water once but it didn't change anything and while she does have some reflux it's not enough to be treated with meds - and I'd prefer to avoid meds in general if possible anyway. Sometimes I read posts and I can relate to the LO behavior but not to the accompanying worry or troubleshooting. I've never been described as laid back in my life but I seem to be a laid back first time mom, much to my surprise. Can anyone relate??
That's pretty much me as well, even with my first baby. I think having been a teacher for a decade helps, because I've seen over and over how resilient kids are. But I still sometimes think maybe I'm the crazy one when I talk to other moms. Especially when it comes to my toddler climbing/ jumping off of things, because my whole thing is that kids basically have to learn how to fall in order to be safe, so short of him diving off of like a 12 foot climbing structure headfirst, I pretty much let him try whatever he wants to do.
The falling in order to be safe thing is actually something I heard on NPR. It's natural for humans to be anxious during potentially dangerous events and overcoming that danger and seeing the results helps us have good self esteem and accurately assess danger and the playground is such a good opportunity for that but people don't seem to want their kids to experience anything uncomfortable these days!
@Jenly17 I only wake LO up to eat if I'm very engorged and it is painful, which usually takes at least 3-4 hours. She's a chubby bunny though and hit her birth weight really quickly.
Am I the only one who worries that they don't worry enough? Sure, my LO gets fussy and spits up and grunts but I always figure it's normal baby behavior. She seems uncomfortable at times (like when she has to poop or is gassy) but I just go into soothe mode knowing it will pass, and it does. I tried gripe water once but it didn't change anything and while she does have some reflux it's not enough to be treated with meds - and I'd prefer to avoid meds in general if possible anyway. Sometimes I read posts and I can relate to the LO behavior but not to the accompanying worry or troubleshooting. I've never been described as laid back in my life but I seem to be a laid back first time mom, much to my surprise. Can anyone relate??
That's pretty much me as well, even with my first baby. I think having been a teacher for a decade helps, because I've seen over and over how resilient kids are. But I still sometimes think maybe I'm the crazy one when I talk to other moms. Especially when it comes to my toddler climbing/ jumping off of things, because my whole thing is that kids basically have to learn how to fall in order to be safe, so short of him diving off of like a 12 foot climbing structure headfirst, I pretty much let him try whatever he wants to do.
The falling in order to be safe thing is actually something I heard on NPR. It's natural for humans to be anxious during potentially dangerous events and overcoming that danger and seeing the results helps us have good self esteem and accurately assess danger and the playground is such a good opportunity for that but people don't seem to want their kids to experience anything uncomfortable these days!
I seem to have developed an over supply yesterday. Is that even possible? I haven't been pumping so I'm not sure what's going on. I normally feed DD on one side at a time and alternate each time she eats, which is every 2-3 hours. All day yesterday I would be really engorged even on the side I just fed her on. I did end up pumping yesterday afternoon because it was getting painful and I ended up pumping 4 oz in 10 minutes. Then this morning I was so engorged that she was having a really hard time eating and ended up choking with milk coming out of her nose! I even hand expressed before she latched and it was still coming out so strong. Is this the start of an over supply issue?
@JessicaB0627 That sounds like oversupply and/or fast letdown. Sometimes oversupply can occur even without pumping, especially if your baby does a round of cluster feeding during a growth spurt then goes back to spacing out feeds again. When my milk lets down I see if baby can handle it- some times of day she does ok, sometime she chokes and coughs and makes these I can't breathe noises for a few seconds. When that happens I just let my flow run into a rag until she's breathing again and the flow slows a bit, then I let her latch back on again. It's messy, but it regulates after a few months with my son and I assume it will with her as well.
Speaking of letdown, I've been having this issue where around 3 hours I will just spontaneously have a letdown in both breasts. I don't always have it because baby will usually nurse around 2.5-3 hours but it's so strange because I don't remember this happening with the first. Will this go away?
Speaking of letdown, I've been having this issue where around 3 hours I will just spontaneously have a letdown in both breasts. I don't always have it because baby will usually nurse around 2.5-3 hours but it's so strange because I don't remember this happening with the first. Will this go away?
Looking for advice / experience from those who have had a tongue or lip tie corrected. Since we had the procedure done my LO's latch is worse. It was always not great (hence the need for the procedure) and we needed to use a nipple shield most of the time. Now he won't ever latch without the shield and is not even good at latching with it, leading me to need to supplement much more with expressed milk. I'm so frustrated. Anyone have a similar situation or any advice? I am going to see a lactation consultant today but have seen 7 so far with limited results so I'm not very hopeful this will be resolved before the weekend. I also am about ready to give up on BF as I can't keep up with this schedule of constant BF, pumping and bottle feeding every session.
Speaking of letdown, I've been having this issue where around 3 hours I will just spontaneously have a letdown in both breasts. I don't always have it because baby will usually nurse around 2.5-3 hours but it's so strange because I don't remember this happening with the first. Will this go away?
I have the same thing!
Mine always let down at the same time! I have a horrible supply, so I put a bottle under the boob that's not being nursed. I can't let that liquid gold go to waste!
Speaking of letdown, I've been having this issue where around 3 hours I will just spontaneously have a letdown in both breasts. I don't always have it because baby will usually nurse around 2.5-3 hours but it's so strange because I don't remember this happening with the first. Will this go away?
I have the same thing!
Me too, and I also didn't have it with my first! I was out at a bar on Wednesday night and my milk just let down spontaneously and it was not comfortable! I just had to hold my hands over my nipples so I wouldn't leak which was slightly embarrassing being in public and all.
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We have a consultation on Thursday with a pediatric dentist . I'm hoping this and chiropractic can save our breastfeeding relationship.
@khochanadel the LC gave us two referrals for a pediatric dentist and a pediatrician that would use a laser for the lip tie. The LC recommended a laser procedure because she said it would heal faster. I called the pediatrician, and asked if they took my insurance (which they did) and they gave me the code they would bill it as. I called insurance and they said it was covered, so I scheduled the consult, and then had the procedure done the next day. I do not know what my insurance would have done if I went through the pediatric dentist, because the girls don't have dental coverage until around age 3....
Since the procedure I have noticed a much more open latch, and much longer sleep stretches at night. The sleep and procedure might have no correlation, but my LC told me she thought sleep would improve once baby was able to nurse more efficiently. Actually, the time between nursing during the day seems to be stretching out as well, but that is natural for a newborn (she is 4 weeks today!).
Please tell me it gets better and any tips for additional things you've done to fight it. LO has minimal white on her tongue and a bad rash on her behind. I have bright pink and irritated nipples- to the point that when pumping last night I had to keep the level so low to make it bearable and it still felt like burning/pins and needles.
I can't do diflucan as I'm highly allergic so we are stuck with nystatin only.
And then I wonder if I'm over reacting. The dr. Was so laid back about it, barely gave instructions at all... some people say thrush goes away on its own....some say no way. It's very frustrating!
Also, I guess it's time I reach out to a LC about this latch. My nips are dead. I know she is getting milk because I was just engorged and after 13 minutes of feeding it feels 100% better but still, I worry she isn't getting enough?
Yes. First baby had an allergy (still does) and this baby acted so similar to how the first used to act the night I ate a huge pizza from a local pizza place. It was awful for my poor baby (and also the rest of us) but mostly baby who clearly felt awful for so long afterwards
I immediately cut it out 100% and baby is now back to normal. I don't plan to try dairy again for a long while because I don't want that experience again.
It is actually really hard to cut dairy and the learning curve with #1 was steep as dairy is in everything. I was so surprised as I started cutting it to see what it was really in as far as different foods.
If it is a true allergy you have to deal with cross contamination (for true dairy allergies can't even touch the same fryer other foods with dairy have been in, food has to be prepared with very clean pans( or foil) not shared with butter, young kids who put their hands in mouth can pick up dairy if other kids on playground/kids area are eating buttered popcorn and leave the residue on the toys, etc) .
It is very very difficult to go out to eat at restaurants and eat at others homes. As others mostly all use dairy products with every meal and don't really understand the depth of it and some even think butter is ok, or yogurt, or milk in baked goods, or get it confused with eggs...
As for day time I'm shooting for 3 hours!
Am I the only one who worries that they don't worry enough? Sure, my LO gets fussy and spits up and grunts but I always figure it's normal baby behavior. She seems uncomfortable at times (like when she has to
poop or is gassy) but I just go into soothe mode knowing it will pass, and it does. I tried gripe water once but it didn't change anything and while she does have some reflux it's not enough to be treated with meds - and I'd prefer to avoid meds in general if possible anyway. Sometimes I read posts and I can relate to the LO behavior but not to the accompanying worry or troubleshooting. I've never been described as laid back in my life but I seem to be a laid back first time mom, much to my surprise. Can anyone relate??
But if I am engorged I will wake them, but my hungry babies don't really let that happen, so that is a rare instance.
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