Apparently people get all kinds of annoyed when you call out their judgmental comments?
I was only saying that when many of the responses are in the vein of "Ew, gross, no!" it's not a welcoming environment to hear from people who are open to the topic at hand. You can say whatever you want about whatever topic comes up, that doesn't mean it's fostering any kind of decent, open conversation around a specific topic, especially one that's a bit hot-button like this one apparently is.
Sooo you want an open conversation but you only want specific responses? Okayyyyy...... Disagreeing =/= judging
@ecwk It's not that people were expressing their opinions. Hell, my opinion lines up with most people who had already commented when I did "Placenta encapsulation likely has no benefit." People can express opinions without the ridiculing tone that's been used here. My issue is that there were a lot of opinions expressed in a way that definitely didn't make this seem like an open conversation. But no, I totally only want to hear my own opinion all the time. That's totally it.
@ecwk It's not that people were expressing their opinions. Hell, my opinion lines up with most people who had already commented when I did "Placenta encapsulation likely has no benefit." People can express opinions without the ridiculing tone that's been used here. My issue is that there were a lot of opinions expressed in a way that definitely didn't make this seem like an open conversation. But no, I totally only want to hear my own opinion all the time. That's totally it.
but my opinion (& apparently quite a few other ladies opinions) is that it's gross. so when i said "nooooo. yuck.", that's me expressing my opinion. doesn't mean anyone here is ridiculing it or anyone who is open to the idea. the idea of consuming my placenta grosses me right out. if another woman on here wanted to do it, then go for it. whatever floats your boat. you cant tell people how they can/should express their opinions.
@ecwk It's not that people were expressing their opinions. Hell, my opinion lines up with most people who had already commented when I did "Placenta encapsulation likely has no benefit." People can express opinions without the ridiculing tone that's been used here. My issue is that there were a lot of opinions expressed in a way that definitely didn't make this seem like an open conversation. But no, I totally only want to hear my own opinion all the time. That's totally it.
March '16 December Siggy Challenge - Favorite Christmas Movies/Quotes
Excuse me!? Made up drama!? I simply posted a question on a popular topic... this is a discussion board correct? Never once said I was thinking about doing it. My question was " what do you guys think about this" Thanks for all the open minded responses.
Sooooo if you aren't thinking about doing it, why are you getting so wound up about someone thinking it might be MUD? Yes it's a discussion board SO people can respond in whatever way they please. You'll be alright, champ.
Apparently you guys were too rude because OP came to the BMBs to complain about how the "community" is too rude and we're apparently much nicer (June '16)...
Apparently you guys were too rude because OP came to the BMBs to complain about how the "community" is too rude and we're apparently much nicer (June '16)...
I'm going to have to go with some form of MUD on this one. Yes, I'm sure in some places people do/have consumed the placenta (raw or not). I actually know of a lot of animals that do this. There are also actually animals that eat their young but is anyone going to make a post asking if this is "trendy" or "commonplace" uhhhh no, I highly doubt it.
Not saying this is trendy nor am I saying its commonplace, just throwing it out there that I know 7 women who have done encapsulation. Like @ecwk said, the women have told me it is to replenish your body hormones and other essential things you lose during birth. I have absolutely no idea how true that is or not, but these women swear by it. One of my employees still takes her pills to this day if she starts to feel a cold coming on (her DD is now 2).
That being said... Umm I don't think I'll be doing encapsulation or any placenta consumption. It weirds me out.
Apparently you guys were too rude because OP came to the BMBs to complain about how the "community" is too rude and we're apparently much nicer (June '16)...
Minor update for those playing along at home. OP had posted TWICE in two separately worked and titled threads about how everyone else in TB is mean but the June '16 mamas are waaaaayyyy nicer. Our BMB is tamer than many but really?
Apparently you guys were too rude because OP came to the BMBs to complain about how the "community" is too rude and we're apparently much nicer (June '16)...
Apparently people get all kinds of annoyed when you call out their judgmental comments?
I was only saying that when many of the responses are in the vein of "Ew, gross, no!" it's not a welcoming environment to hear from people who are open to the topic at hand. You can say whatever you want about whatever topic comes up, that doesn't mean it's fostering any kind of decent, open conversation around a specific topic, especially one that's a bit hot-button like this one apparently is.
I said it once and I'll say it again. EWW!! Because that's my opinion on the subject. It's Eww!!! If someone feels offended or silenced by it, that's not my problem. This not a welcoming committee for us to waste time being concerned about whether or not each individual feels welcome. If someone thinks the opposite, that it's not gross, they are more than welcome to express their opinion and defend their stance if they find it necessary. That's how a conversation/discussion works.
ETA: You may want to warn the discussion police that if anyone wants to start a thread on anything else I think is gross, I'll probably state my opinion on there and say "eww" on that thread also. I think the color pink is ew, fish are ew(as pets, farming animal, or food), and Channing Tatum is ew! Hmmm, I must be trying to make people that like the color pink, fish, or Channing Tatum unwelcome. **insert eyeroll**
Apparently you guys were too rude because OP came to the BMBs to complain about how the "community" is too rude and we're apparently much nicer (June '16)...
I love when people do that not realizing that there's no secrets on the bump and the bump never forgets. P.s- May '16 all the way everybody!!!!!
No, I donated mine. They used it to help make skin grafts foe burn patients.
This is a thing? That's awesome!
Also, to the "wild animals do it" argument...my dog eats both of my cat's feces. I regularly have to chase her from the litter box. She's a very healthy pup but I think I'll just take some vitamins and hope for the best.
No, I donated mine. They used it to help make skin grafts foe burn patients.
This is a thing? That's awesome!
Also, to the "wild animals do it" argument...my dog eats both of my cat's feces. I regularly have to chase her from the litter box. She's a very healthy pup but I think I'll just take some vitamins and hope for the best.
Mice also eat their young if they are stressed. After seeing that happen on more than 1 occasion at camp, I am less than convinced with the "because animals do it" argument.
No, I donated mine. They used it to help make skin grafts foe burn patients.
wow didn't know this could be done, awesome.
I'm not grossed out by eating placenta. I'd eat just about anything if I was convinced of the benefits, hell I'd eat any of you if I had to. I'm just not convinced of the benefits.
Plus. in NZ it's common to take the placenta home and bury it. Out or curiosity, do you ladies in America get asked what you want to have happen to the placenta? Here it's routine for the hospital/mw to ask if you want the placenta. They don't just dispose of it without asking.
I'm not grossed out by eating placenta. I'd eat just about anything if I was convinced of the benefits, hell I'd eat any of you if I had to. I'm just not convinced of the benefits.
Plus. in NZ it's common to take the placenta home and bury it. Out or curiosity, do you ladies in America get asked what you want to have happen to the placenta? Here it's routine for the hospital/mw to ask if you want the placenta. They don't just dispose of it without asking.
No. It's treated like medical waste and tossed out. If you want it, you have to let them know in advance and have someone on standby who can remove it from the facility. I believe at that point it must be treated like organ donation like in the cooler.
I'm not grossed out by eating placenta. I'd eat just about anything if I was convinced of the benefits, hell I'd eat any of you if I had to. I'm just not convinced of the benefits.
Plus. in NZ it's common to take the placenta home and bury it. Out or curiosity, do you ladies in America get asked what you want to have happen to the placenta? Here it's routine for the hospital/mw to ask if you want the placenta. They don't just dispose of it without asking.
No. It's treated like medical waste and tossed out. If you want it, you have to let them know in advance and have someone on standby who can remove it from the facility. I believe at that point it must be treated like organ donation like in the cooler.
Interesting that they feel it needs a cooler. Here, if you want it they bag it up for you, and you just take it with you when you leave delivery. Two of mine are still in the freezer I loved it when my mw talked me through what she was looking for when she examined them after birth, very interesting.
Interesting that they feel it needs a cooler. Here, if you want it they bag it up for you, and you just take it with you when you leave delivery. Two of mine are still in the freezer I loved it when my mw talked me through what she was looking for when she examined them after birth, very interesting.
I could be wrong about that, but it is considered an organ so it's possible.
I haven't gone through and read everything, however I will say that the "mammals do it" argument is a bit off point for the human race. Mammals eat their placentas to ensure safety for their young, they also lick up all bloods and biological waste as to ensure the smell isn't as strong and doesn't encourage predators, its not much for hormones, and its instinctual to protect their young in whatever way possible.
A bit late here, but just to poke holes in @danalynn86 's "unwelcoming tone" theory, I have zero hesitance admitting to saving my placenta for encapsulation after my last baby. i had a previous history of postnatal depression, and it was something so so horrible that I was willing to try anything to not have to endure that black hole of despair again. I was a tad influenced by some other "woo-like" ideas too, from a close friend who was very convincing about lots of alternative therapies. Anyhow, I received it upon discharge from my hospital, frozen and in a bag. The person who was supposed to encapsulate it for me totally flaked out. like @KateLouise , i still have it in my freezer (21m later), simply because i just can't bring myself to toss it in my trash bin, seeing as how it *is* medical waste. maybe i will bury it? idk. happily, i had no issues with PPD that time, and i have since returned to the warm embrace of research and the world of science-based information, and i have no plans on saving this baby's placenta. i don't feel any side-eye or judgement for anyone who chooses to, or even feels like she benefited from it, but i do reserve the right to look back at my previous self and kind of shake my head with a grin, like "oh Self, what were you thinking?" (i mean, i know what i was thinking - i was thinking i was terrified of the prospect of reliving PPD!); i don't believe it is a good idea anymore, and for all the reasons previously mentioned.
@finePlacentaPie i have always wondered about your name haha! this thread answers that question
March 2016 siggy: babies - expectation vs reality Brian's Whovian wife (5/'09)
AP, BF, BW, CD, CLW, CS, ERF, Catholic mama
to Evan (7/'10), Clare (8/'11), Dean (3/'14), ^F(12/'15)^, Rose (3/'16)
*no longer a Timelord ~ WibblyWobbly BabyWaby is here!*
but i still feel bigger on the inside Autism mama!
@AmadorRose there is a great thing called Forbid that can stop your dog from eating your cats feces. You sprinkle it on your cats food and its makes their poop taste gross to other animals. It usually breaks the habit quickly.
No, I donated mine. They used it to help make skin grafts foe burn patients.
wow didn't know this could be done, awesome.
I'm not grossed out by eating placenta. I'd eat just about anything if I was convinced of the benefits, hell I'd eat any of you if I had to. I'm just not convinced of the benefits.
Plus. in NZ it's common to take the placenta home and bury it. Out or curiosity, do you ladies in America get asked what you want to have happen to the placenta? Here it's routine for the hospital/mw to ask if you want the placenta. They don't just dispose of it without asking.
This made me LOL for realz
I saved my placenta from my last birth, because I knew a woman who was perfecting her encapsulation technique and offered to do mine for free. But it fell through, so I can't say whether or not the claims are (anecdotally) true. However, the rationale behind it (replenishing vital minerals and nutrients) seems plausible. But then again, those vitamins and minerals are readily available at the supermarket, so.
If it was needed to replenish vital minerals and nutrients wouldn't your body just keep it and then pass what wasn't needed? And I'm not trying to be an ass, I just see it like when you pee or poop, your body doesn't need it anymore so it expels it.
March '16 December Siggy Challenge - Favorite Christmas Movies/Quotes
If it was needed to replenish vital minerals and nutrients wouldn't your body just keep it and then pass what wasn't needed? And I'm not trying to be an ass, I just see it like when you pee or poop, your body doesn't need it anymore so it expels it.
And if anything wouldn't we feed it to baby since that's kinda why it was there to begin with?
To me, it's like keeping your menstrual blood, which is the shedding of your uterus. Placenta is sort of like that. Your body expels it. It is waste. If your body needed it, it would reabsorb it, not expel it.
If it was needed to replenish vital minerals and nutrients wouldn't your body just keep it and then pass what wasn't needed? And I'm not trying to be an ass, I just see it like when you pee or poop, your body doesn't need it anymore so it expels it.
Except that the mother's body never did need it, it is used to nourish the baby and in fact the organ has the baby's genome and is generated from the fertilized egg. Which isn't to say that it might not be completely devoid of nutrients by the time baby is born. But I don't think that if the mother's body could benefit from the possible nutrients in the organ then it would stay in the mother's body, because the mother's body has no way of deriving nutrition from it while it's still inside her uterus.
If it was needed to replenish vital minerals and nutrients wouldn't your body just keep it and then pass what wasn't needed? And I'm not trying to be an ass, I just see it like when you pee or poop, your body doesn't need it anymore so it expels it.
Except that the mother's body never did need it, it is used to nourish the baby and in fact the organ has the baby's genome and is generated from the fertilized egg. Which isn't to say that it might not be completely devoid of nutrients by the time baby is born. But I don't think that if the mother's body could benefit from the possible nutrients in the organ then it would stay in the mother's body, because the mother's body has no way of deriving nutrition from it while it's still inside her uterus.
Focusing on your 1st sentence- Then why consider eating it? Or like @SarahFoley725 said, if anyone was going to consider consuming it, wouldn't it be the baby? I just think that if there was an actual reason for it to benefit the mother or child after birth then it would be common practice to consume it. It did it's job and then your body gets rid of it. That's that (imho). ETA- I think if you're going to try to legitimately argue the need to consume an organ after your body has expelled or refused it then why not consider this for all the waste our body expels? Gallbladder, appendix, etc.
March '16 December Siggy Challenge - Favorite Christmas Movies/Quotes
I'm just playing devil's advocate for the sake of discussion, I'm not planning to eat my placenta. But obviously the postpartum period is different from almost any other period in a woman's life, and the maternal body is often very depleted in iron and other nutrients, besides the fact that she is recovering from a physically traumatic event. I think others have pointed out that organ meat is nutrient dense, so maybe it follows that eating the placenta serves to replenish those lost nutrients and iron stores and aids in recovery?
I think the fact that we can just go to the grocery store and have access to a whole array of nutrient dense meats and produce make consuming the placenta unnecessary. But that doesn't mean that it wasn't beneficial to the mother at one point in our evolution.
Correct, our bodies don't expel them (gallbladder and appendix), but they can and do reject or refuse them. That's why I said expel and/or reject. I just believe that anything my body refuses/rejects I'm not going to try to put it back in. It's my body's job to filter things and get rid of waste so I'm not planning to put something back into it when it's done it's job. Like you said, if I need vitamins or nutrients I'll go get some because I (and baby) have gotten all we need from the placenta.
March '16 December Siggy Challenge - Favorite Christmas Movies/Quotes
Well, the baby has gotten all it needs from the placenta (especially if the cord isn't clamped until it stops pulsing) but the mother has never received any nutrition from it while it is inside her uterus, and it could be argued that she physiologically cannot receive nutrients from it unless she consumes it. So the mother's body isn't necessarily "done with it." Maybe it's expelled because the uterus isn't designed to reabsorb nutrients, and then it's consumed because the stomach IS designed to absorb nutrients.
All mammals consume the placenta, so there must be a valid reason for doing so. And it has been argued that the purpose of eating the placenta in animals has nothing to do with cleaning the nest area or preventing predators from being attracted to the nest site, because even unchallenged predators consume their placenta, and animals who leave the birth site will stay there until the placenta is consumed, and then leave. If the purpose were simply to avoid attracting predators, the animals could just bury their placenta.
"A series of studies in rats have provided clear evidence
that one biological function of placentophagia (and
ingestion of amniotic fluid) in this species is the
potentiation of opiate-induced analgesia (reviewed in
Abbott et al., 1991; Kristal, 1991). Moreover, the fact that
the ingestion of amniotic fluid (Corpening, Doerr, &
Kristal, 2000), or placental extract from other species
(Abbott et al., 1991) enhances opiate-induced analgesia in
rats raises the possibility that the (as yet unidentified)
agents that provoke this effect may be present across
mammalian orders. Indeed, the ingestion of amniotic fluid
enhances analgesia in cows (Pinheiro Machado, Hurnik,
& Burton, 1997).
In addition to promoting maternal behavior in sheep
(Le ́vy & Poindron, 1984, 1987), primates (Lundblad &
Hodgen, 1980), dogs (Abitbol & Inglis, 1997), and rabbits
(Gonza ́lez-Mariscal et al., 1998), placentophagia (and
ingestion of amniotic fluid) is regularly displayed at
delivery of their partner by male hamsters from the
biparental species Phodopus campbelli, but it does not
occur in the exclusively maternal P. sungorus (Jones &
Wynne-Edwards, 2000). Although the impact of prevent-
ing placentophagia in P. campbelli males on the behavior
towards their progeny has not been explored, the previous
findings raise the exciting possibility that placentophagia
may promote paternal behavior in biparental mammals.
Another possible function of placentophagia that has
received surprisingly little attention concerns the stimula-
tion of lactation: (a) rats allowed to ingest their placentas
at parturition have higher concentrations of prolactin in
serum on lactation day 1 and lower concentrations of
progesterone on lactation days 6 and 8 than females not
allowed to display placentophagia at delivery (Blank &
Friesen, 1980), and (b) rabbits deprived of placentas and
their pups at parturition show significantly reduced milk
yields across lactation days 1 to 5 (Gonza ́lez-Mariscal
et al., 1998). Although scanty and patchy, this evidence
indicates that placentophagia may exert a multiplicity of
functions, some of which may be common to many
mammals and others relevant to a few species. Indeed, the
variety of endocrine agents that have been identified in
placenta and amniotic fluid (e.g., peptides, steroids,
protein hormones; Ogren & Talamantes, 1994; Solomon,
1994) calls for the need to investigate across species the
biological function of a behavior displayed by nearly all
terrestrial placental female mammals." https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Angel_Melo/publication/10718062_Placentophagia_in_rabbits_incidence_across_the_reproductive_cycle/links/02bfe50ef82bbb649a000000.pdf
So maybe one reason that animals eat their placenta is because they can't just pop over to Rite Aid and buy some Motrin?
I'm just going to go with I'm never going to eat mine but anyone who wishes to do so, well, all the power to 'em. I've never (and honestly probably won't ever) hear a doctor advise someone to consume it or read actual proven facts on why it's a good idea so I'll stay with my reasoning on it. Full disclosure: I also, don't care to know exactly why animals do the things they do either. Maybe if I were giving birth to puppies. To each their own though! My time and energy will be going elsewhere now but y'all enjoy your debate.
March '16 December Siggy Challenge - Favorite Christmas Movies/Quotes
Re: Anyone thinking of saving your placenta?
Disagreeing =/= judging
Still, though:
That being said... Umm I don't think I'll be doing encapsulation or any placenta consumption. It weirds me out.
ETA: You may want to warn the discussion police that if anyone wants to start a thread on anything else I think is gross, I'll probably state my opinion on there and say "eww" on that thread also. I think the color pink is ew, fish are ew(as pets, farming animal, or food), and Channing Tatum is ew! Hmmm, I must be trying to make people that like the color pink, fish, or Channing Tatum unwelcome. **insert eyeroll**
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Our family of 5 is complete!! Love our boys!
EEEEEWWWW!!!! I'm will to donate my placenta to anyone who wants to try placenta tea.
Also, to the "wild animals do it" argument...my dog eats both of my cat's feces. I regularly have to chase her from the litter box. She's a very healthy pup but I think I'll just take some vitamins and hope for the best.
Elizabeth 5yrs old Jane 3yrs old
Elizabeth 5yrs old Jane 3yrs old
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Our family of 5 is complete!! Love our boys!
March 2016 siggy: babies - expectation vs reality
Brian's Whovian wife (5/'09)
Autism mama!
Me: 33 DH: 34
DS1: March 18, 2016
DS2: due June 7, 2018
What have y'all made me start thinking about omg
Jamie
ETA- I think if you're going to try to legitimately argue the need to consume an organ after your body has expelled or refused it then why not consider this for all the waste our body expels? Gallbladder, appendix, etc.
March 2016 siggy: babies - expectation vs reality
Brian's Whovian wife (5/'09)
Autism mama!
This is kind of interesting:
"A series of studies in rats have provided clear evidence that one biological function of placentophagia (and ingestion of amniotic fluid) in this species is the potentiation of opiate-induced analgesia (reviewed in Abbott et al., 1991; Kristal, 1991). Moreover, the fact that the ingestion of amniotic fluid (Corpening, Doerr, & Kristal, 2000), or placental extract from other species (Abbott et al., 1991) enhances opiate-induced analgesia in rats raises the possibility that the (as yet unidentified) agents that provoke this effect may be present across mammalian orders. Indeed, the ingestion of amniotic fluid enhances analgesia in cows (Pinheiro Machado, Hurnik, & Burton, 1997).
In addition to promoting maternal behavior in sheep (Le ́vy & Poindron, 1984, 1987), primates (Lundblad & Hodgen, 1980), dogs (Abitbol & Inglis, 1997), and rabbits (Gonza ́lez-Mariscal et al., 1998), placentophagia (and ingestion of amniotic fluid) is regularly displayed at delivery of their partner by male hamsters from the biparental species Phodopus campbelli, but it does not occur in the exclusively maternal P. sungorus (Jones & Wynne-Edwards, 2000). Although the impact of prevent- ing placentophagia in P. campbelli males on the behavior towards their progeny has not been explored, the previous findings raise the exciting possibility that placentophagia may promote paternal behavior in biparental mammals. Another possible function of placentophagia that has received surprisingly little attention concerns the stimula- tion of lactation: (a) rats allowed to ingest their placentas at parturition have higher concentrations of prolactin in serum on lactation day 1 and lower concentrations of progesterone on lactation days 6 and 8 than females not allowed to display placentophagia at delivery (Blank & Friesen, 1980), and (b) rabbits deprived of placentas and their pups at parturition show significantly reduced milk yields across lactation days 1 to 5 (Gonza ́lez-Mariscal et al., 1998). Although scanty and patchy, this evidence indicates that placentophagia may exert a multiplicity of functions, some of which may be common to many mammals and others relevant to a few species. Indeed, the variety of endocrine agents that have been identified in placenta and amniotic fluid (e.g., peptides, steroids, protein hormones; Ogren & Talamantes, 1994; Solomon, 1994) calls for the need to investigate across species the biological function of a behavior displayed by nearly all terrestrial placental female mammals." https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Angel_Melo/publication/10718062_Placentophagia_in_rabbits_incidence_across_the_reproductive_cycle/links/02bfe50ef82bbb649a000000.pdf
So maybe one reason that animals eat their placenta is because they can't just pop over to Rite Aid and buy some Motrin?
To each their own though!
My time and energy will be going elsewhere now but y'all enjoy your debate.