vaccines

ashleywarmington

Who's down to have the vaccination talk? I started one in my last group (November 2015ers- had a MC in March) and I was really impressed with all the knowledgable women expressing their thoughts on both sides. It got heated at times but I love a good healthy debate. Is anyone not going to vaccinate or will opt for the slow schedule?

St0v3s

I'm between vaccination and a delayed vaccination. The only reason I'm considering delayed is I would think if the kid is allergic to something it would be easier to figure out than if they received all of them at once. I plan to do more scientific research on it before baby gets here though.

TheBorg7of9

Why? Lord. There is no debate. The earth is round and vaccines save thousands of lives with minimal and extremely rare side effects.

ashleywarmington

Extremely rare

jonesl12

My child will be getting all their vaccines on schedule . End of story.

St0v3s

Pause...I was going to entertain the discussion until the crazy meme. The study that "linked" autism to vaccines was fake. The researcher made that shit up. If you truly believe that vaccines gives you autism, diabetes or something you are a quack.

TheBorg7of9

ashleywarmington said:

Extremely rare

Wow. Your meme with absolutely no scientific basis or truth has convinced me to put my kid and all other kids around us at risk for terrible childhood diseases that have been almost eradicated. I hope you're happy.

MrsCayEye

ashleywarmington said:

Extremely rare

My reaction to your post/response/meme

ashleymarie1027

ashleywarmington said:

Extremely rare

Maybe you meant this as a joke? Otherwise I'd say now I know what those sticky notes people talked about in my last BMB were for...

I also agree there are no two sides to a topic where Scientific evidence supports one side and not the other. We vaccinated our first child on schedule and will continue to do so, we will do the same for this child.

Edited for audio text fail

Ready4theParty

We vaccinated DD and will do the same with this one.

I have a coworker who vaccinated his first four but decided to not vaccinate his fifth. We had a healthy debate and he had some valid points. We agreed to disagree on the topic.

ashleymarie1027

Ready4theParty said:

We vaccinated DD and will do the same with this one.

I have a coworker who vaccinated his first four but decided to not vaccinate his fifth. We had a healthy debate and he had some valid points. We agreed to disagree on the topic.

I'd be really interested in what these valid points were, from the reading I've done the only valid point would be an individual with a suppressed immune system

skc040512

ashleywarmington said:

Extremely rare

I'd rather my kid get Eczema than Polio...

Also the National Autism Society encourages all new mothers to vaccinate their children. HOWEVER, I do believe there is a solid argument for delayed vaccination, or opting out of certain vacciniations  

BrittaDJ

My child was vaccinated per our pediatrician's suggestions since I trusted her to be an expert in her field. I also conducted my own thorough research and decided that vaccinations save lives and wanted to protect my child in the best way I could. While there are certainly side effects with any medical treatment, serious ones are rather rare and any study that says otherwise is flawed. I'm disturbed by the meme you posted as I'm not sure of the intent that is there...

knitknit

I work as an archival researcher, and the factual accounts I've read of life in pre-vaccine historical eras are devastating, as are the morbidity rates. These epidemics wiped out entire families; imagine living in constant fear that all of your loved ones could get taken by small pox! Before the twentieth century, that was a reality that people lived with and it's still something that some communities face, globally speaking. The doctors and researchers who pioneered the vaccines and eradicated these diseases in the US are super heroes, and I am so thankful I am living in an age of modern medicine. Yay, vaccines!

Take a spin through the CDC website or the World Health Organization site if you want more on current statistics and practices, both in the US and globally. It's really interesting stuff.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/

https://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs378/en/

Healthy and happy families to all.

myparkers7

I am a proud vaccinator!! We are putting so many children at risk, ours and others, by this irresponsible trend. I also have a child with asthma, seed, and nut allergies. That meme is completely offensive. It's more associated with processed unnatural food (so is autism!) more so than anything else and has been around far longer than vaccinations. (So has autism!) just a thought! But I'm sure you are someone that buys 100% made in America and all natural right?

jsassy

jonesl12 said:

My child will be getting all their vaccines on schedule . End of story.

Exactly this. No debate necessary in my world.

sarahufl

Not sure what the debate is with vaccines, anyway. Stop listening to Jenny McCarthy.

CCLow87

We vaccinate, obviously. 

misstopsail

We will be vaccinating, period.
And we're doing it for all those parents that CAN'T vaccinate their kids due to heartbreaking immunodeficiency issues.
And for parents who won't, so we can keep the herd strong and protect your kids, anyway.

Jules08

We vaccinate DS and will vaccinate 2.0.  No debate.  Vaccinations save lives.

I have an severe egg allergy and cannot get certain vaccinations because of this.  I depend on herd immunity.

ashleymarie1027

OP: are you going to offer anything other than a scientifically flawed meme to get your healthy debate going?

Jules08

OP: you've already had this discussion in another BMB (https://forums.thebump.com/discussion/12550986/to-vaccinate-or-not#latest), you are likely going to read similar pro-vaccination responses here. 

Please do no start unnecessary drama here like you did there.  There is no debate and you didn't provide any factual information (similar to your meme above) to argue against vaccinations.

PeggyOlsonFTW

I love this thread. So many logical women here!

AliSummer

Keeping others out of danger is also a bonus. 

mybigfatgreekfetus

I'm vaccinating my kid, because I don't want him/her to get measles. My dogs get vaccinated so they don't get rabies. C'mon people!!!

WestminsterCrabbey

TheBorg7of9 said:

Why? Lord. There is no debate. The earth is round and vaccines save thousands of lives with minimal and extremely rare side effects.

*Falls in love with the Borg*

WestminsterCrabbey

knitknit said:

I work as an archival researcher, and the factual accounts I've read of life in pre-vaccine historical eras are devastating, as are the morbidity rates. These epidemics wiped out entire families; imagine living in constant fear that all of your loved ones could get taken by small pox! Before the twentieth century, that was a reality that people lived with and it's still something that some communities face, globally speaking. The doctors and researchers who pioneered the vaccines and eradicated these diseases in the US are super heroes, and I am so thankful I am living in an age of modern medicine. Yay, vaccines!

Take a spin through the CDC website or the World Health Organization site if you want more on current statistics and practices, both in the US and globally. It's really interesting stuff.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/

https://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs378/en/

Healthy and happy families to all.

But that's part of their problem. Why would they believe the CDC, when they can, in fact, read 14 mom blogs? ERMAGHERD GERVMERNT.

knitknit

Jules08 said:

OP: you've already had this discussion in another BMB (https://forums.thebump.com/discussion/12550986/to-vaccinate-or-not#latest), you are likely going to read similar pro-vaccination responses here. 

Please do no start unnecessary drama here like you did there. There is no debate and you didn't provide any factual information (similar to your meme above) to argue against vaccinations.

Thanks for linking to the other BMB thread. The medical doctors came in, dropped knowledge, and were all like:

Edit: Fixed my gif. Yay.

sarahufl

WestminsterCrabbey said:

knitknit said:

I work as an archival researcher, and the factual accounts I've read of life in pre-vaccine historical eras are devastating, as are the morbidity rates. These epidemics wiped out entire families; imagine living in constant fear that all of your loved ones could get taken by small pox! Before the twentieth century, that was a reality that people lived with and it's still something that some communities face, globally speaking. The doctors and researchers who pioneered the vaccines and eradicated these diseases in the US are super heroes, and I am so thankful I am living in an age of modern medicine. Yay, vaccines!

Take a spin through the CDC website or the World Health Organization site if you want more on current statistics and practices, both in the US and globally. It's really interesting stuff.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/

https://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs378/en/

Healthy and happy families to all.

But that's part of their problem. Why would they believe the CDC, when they can, in fact, read 14 mom blogs? ERMAGHERD GERVMERNT.

Or former porn stars and MTV game show hosts?

imrachellea

I have very little to add that other PPs have not said, other than that we never had an outbreak of measles like we did recently before people started not vaccinating their children. I am vaccinated, DH is vaccinated, DD is vaccinated, and this LO will be as well. As PP stated, not just for them but for those that cannot be vaccinated. I read the most heartbreaking story during the measles outbreak of a child with cancer who couldn't attend their school because they did not have a complete vacciantion (due to their illness) and were so incredibly susceptible. Its herd immunity that we've had in the past, and it is slowly being lost putting children like the boy with cancer at severe risk.

Julesby

I have managed an infectious disease course for more than five years. Before that, I worked for a children's hospital. 

I will absolutely vaccinate myself and my baby and request that everyone who comes in close contact with our little one receives flu and TDAP (whooping cough) vaccines. 

ashleywarmington

That is the one thing I hate about these boards is the pack mentality. I would love to hear from someone who's actually stuck with not vaccinating their child and could come forward and speak their mind about it. But the pack would surely eat them alive. Just to be clear this will (hopefully) be my first viable pregnancy and have not decided which way I'll be going. I have read a lot on both sides and I just love to hear real women's thoughts ON BOTH options. I won't be trusting the cdc with my child's well being and I just don't like the idea of pumping a week old baby with aluminum and formaldehyde. No one said a thing about Jenny McCarthy but okie dokie. Keep it coming:)

TrishGbb

I'm vaccinating according to the schedule set by the pediatrician.

Lots of international flights arriving in the U.S. everyday from all over the world. I can't control that. Plus something like tetanus lives everywhere outdoors and being infected with it doesn't create immunity. So even if a person were to get it and survive it, they'd still need the vaccine to avoid getting it again. Seems like a no brainer to me.

ekneipp

We are using a delayed schedule and there a few we decided against. We've done our own extensive research and feel that it's just way too much for a little body to take in based on the cdc schedule. There are way more vaccines now and than when I was vaccinated. We consider each vaccine and make a decision based on our research, the potential risks of the vaccine, and the risk of not having the vaccine.

TrishGbb

Btw I'm so glad they have a chicken pox vaccine now! I remember having chicken pox when I was a kid and it was awful. Still have a small indentation scar in between my eyebrows from the chicken pox.

PeggyOlsonFTW

ashleywarmington said:

That is the one thing I hate about these boards is the pack mentality. I would love to hear from someone who's actually stuck with not vaccinating their child and could come forward and speak their mind about it. But the pack would surely eat them alive. Just to be clear this will (hopefully) be my first viable pregnancy and have not decided which way I'll be going. I have read a lot on both sides and I just love to hear real women's thoughts ON BOTH options. I won't be trusting the cdc with my child's well being and I just don't like the idea of pumping a week old baby with aluminum and formaldehyde. No one said a thing about Jenny McCarthy but okie dokie. Keep it coming:)

It's not pack mentality with this. None of us knew each other before, yet we've all vaccinated our children because we believe no one should be getting measles or polio in this day and age. Asthma (trust me, I have it) is a walk in the park compared to contracting a preventable disease.

misstopsail

I'm sorry OP, but I think you started it with that uneducated meme you posted. I have friends who don't vaccinate, and while we agree to disagree, they don't post silly jokes about the ingredients in vaccines, because the decision, either way, is no joke.

sarahufl

ashleywarmington said:

That is the one thing I hate about these boards is the pack mentality. I would love to hear from someone who's actually stuck with not vaccinating their child and could come forward and speak their mind about it. But the pack would surely eat them alive. Just to be clear this will (hopefully) be my first viable pregnancy and have not decided which way I'll be going. I have read a lot on both sides and I just love to hear real women's thoughts ON BOTH options. I won't be trusting the cdc with my child's well being and I just don't like the idea of pumping a week old baby with aluminum and formaldehyde. No one said a thing about Jenny McCarthy but okie dokie. Keep it coming:)

I said something about Jenny McCarthy because she is a blathering idiot that has long been an advocate against vaccines.

Jules08

If a bunch of women on board after board who HAVE done the research are all in agreement that vaccinating is the responsible choice and can give you endless resources that PROVE this, then oh I don't know, maybe it's worth considering.  I think it is naïve and irresponsible to ignore the recommendations by the CDC, AAP, your doctors, etc.  They have spent decades researching and proving this, and to ignore that or to say they aren't qualified is absolutely ridiculous.

There is NO valid argument to not vaccinate (with the exception of those who have immunodeficiency issues or the risk of the vaccination is greater than the risk of the disease).  There is nothing, you have nothing, to prove that not vaccinating is a reasonable choice.

Maybe you are not getting the debate you want because there is no debate.  The women on these boards are smart and believe in vaccination. 

Pack mentality?  Yeah I haven't talked with the women on these boards for more than a few weeks, I vaccinated my son over 3.5 years ago.  I didn't blindly follow along, I did my research and chose to be a responsible parent.  Key words: responsible parent - that's my job.

TrishGbb

One thing that I worry about with not vaccinating is that even if my baby were to get one of the rare illnesses, I can't control the symptoms of it fast enough to avoid damage. Like super high fever. I'd be afraid that the damage would be done by the time I figure out their fever is deathly high, give them Tylenol (if I'm even able to bc of vomiting or something) and get them to a doctor or hospital. I might be overly worried about it, I dunno.

klingonboxer

Just to add to all of this, I myself am autistic, and believe me, even if there were any scientific evidence at all that the two were linked, my children would still get vaccinated. By not vaccinating your kids against life-threatening diseases, you're telling them (and all the autistic people out there) that being autistic is worse than being dead. Which it isn't. Obviously.