I know this is against popular opinion, but we have decided against it. We have no problem with people that chose to vaccinate their children, but for us we just don't feel good about it. We would rather give our children's immune system a chance at growing stronger on its own before pumping them full of things we aren't really sure they need. Now don't get me wrong, if they are sick, then we will do everything and give them anything to make them better. But to just give it to them by the off chance they may get sick doesn't make sense to us.
Oh so when they do contract measles or pertussis you will rush them straight to the pedi so they can infect someone's newborn? Awesome.
And why would you take your children to a pediatrician at all? You don't believe in scientific evidence or the advice of medical professionals. You obviously know better than those silly physicians based on whatever tinfoil hat websites you've been on.
Listen you guys, as I said in the beginning I know it's unpopular opinion. I have absolutely no problem with hearing facts as to why I should vaccinate my children. But I did not attack any of you personally, nor did I call you names. The person who originally posted the question asked why or why not, so I posted why my husband I and feel like we don't want to currently. It's not that I'm not willing to listen to what others have to say or doctors, I have talked to many of them. But I don't think it's wrong of me to stop and think and ask questions before I make a decision. Especially when it has to do with my family.
Listen you guys, as I said in the beginning I know it's unpopular opinion. I have absolutely no problem with hearing facts as to why I should vaccinate my children. But I did not attack any of you personally, nor did I call you names. The person who originally posted the question asked why or why not, so I posted why my husband I and feel like we don't want to currently. It's not that I'm not willing to listen to what others have to say or doctors, I have talked to many of them. But I don't think it's wrong of me to stop and think and ask questions before I make a decision. Especially when it has to do with my family.
But this isn't a decision like attachment parenting, whether to breastfeed or not, cloth or disposable, etc. This is something that affects other people. Your family doesn't exist in a vacuum, so if you choose not to vaccinate, you are affecting other people.
You want your kids to develop "natural" immune systems, you let them play in the dirt once they're old enough, you don't expose them to pertussis or polio and hope for the best.
Listen you guys, as I said in the beginning I know it's unpopular opinion. I have absolutely no problem with hearing facts as to why I should vaccinate my children. But I did not attack any of you personally, nor did I call you names. The person who originally posted the question asked why or why not, so I posted why my husband I and feel like we don't want to currently. It's not that I'm not willing to listen to what others have to say or doctors, I have talked to many of them. But I don't think it's wrong of me to stop and think and ask questions before I make a decision. Especially when it has to do with my family.
But this isn't a decision like attachment parenting, whether to breastfeed or not, cloth or disposable, etc. This is something that affects other people. Your family doesn't exist in a vacuum, so if you choose not to vaccinate, you are affecting other people.
You want your kids to develop "natural" immune systems, you let them play in the dirt once they're old enough, you don't expose them to pertussis or polio and hope for the best.
Okay and I understand that. But what concerns us, is not all the doctors that we have talked to so far agree with vaccinations. So that's what makes us want to dig a little deeper and find out.
Listen you guys, as I said in the beginning I know it's unpopular opinion. I have absolutely no problem with hearing facts as to why I should vaccinate my children. But I did not attack any of you personally, nor did I call you names. The person who originally posted the question asked why or why not, so I posted why my husband I and feel like we don't want to currently. It's not that I'm not willing to listen to what others have to say or doctors, I have talked to many of them. But I don't think it's wrong of me to stop and think and ask questions before I make a decision. Especially when it has to do with my family.
But this isn't a decision like attachment parenting, whether to breastfeed or not, cloth or disposable, etc. This is something that affects other people. Your family doesn't exist in a vacuum, so if you choose not to vaccinate, you are affecting other people.
You want your kids to develop "natural" immune systems, you let them play in the dirt once they're old enough, you don't expose them to pertussis or polio and hope for the best.
Okay and I understand that. But what concerns us, is not all the doctors that we have talked to so far agree with vaccinations. So that's what makes us want to dig a little deeper and find out.
A doctor that doesn't endorse vaccination is probably a bad doctor and i'd recommend for your child's safety in all their health needs to look elsewhere.
Vaccination is on par with climate change in the realm of scientific opinion consensus (they may not all agree on the cause but virtually everyone in the scientific community now recognizes that it's happening).
There are a couple key pieces of information that you have that are inaccurate.
A) vaccines do not weaken a child's immune system vaccines were not created after the diseases were eradicated (otherwise why would they have been created?)
I will give you that in today's society it is unlikely that a disease of any kind would wreak havoc in the way it once did in history. Modern sanitation and modern health efforts to recognize outbreaks and enact quarantines would make it more difficult. This is why they were able to stop the Ebola outbreak. But the outbreak still happened and Ebola is actually much harder to catch than Measles. The question to ask yourself about this issue is how you would feel being in the same room with a child who had the measles or whooping cough with your child. I imagine you'd run as fast as you could (although the child would probably already have measles since that is airborne). If you would run with your own child, imagine how the mother of a one month old infant feels walking around having no idea who might be carrying potentially deadly illnesses towards her baby.
Listen you guys, as I said in the beginning I know it's unpopular opinion. I have absolutely no problem with hearing facts as to why I should vaccinate my children. But I did not attack any of you personally, nor did I call you names. The person who originally posted the question asked why or why not, so I posted why my husband I and feel like we don't want to currently. It's not that I'm not willing to listen to what others have to say or doctors, I have talked to many of them. But I don't think it's wrong of me to stop and think and ask questions before I make a decision. Especially when it has to do with my family.
But this isn't a decision like attachment parenting, whether to breastfeed or not, cloth or disposable, etc. This is something that affects other people. Your family doesn't exist in a vacuum, so if you choose not to vaccinate, you are affecting other people.
You want your kids to develop "natural" immune systems, you let them play in the dirt once they're old enough, you don't expose them to pertussis or polio and hope for the best.
Okay and I understand that. But what concerns us, is not all the doctors that we have talked to so far agree with vaccinations. So that's what makes us want to dig a little deeper and find out.
I wonder where you live and who these quacks, I mean doctors are?
I'm just shocked that there are people out there like you that are STILL scared of vaccines and believe they will ruin your children's "pure" little bodies. It blows my mind.
Listen you guys, as I said in the beginning I know it's unpopular opinion. I have absolutely no problem with hearing facts as to why I should vaccinate my children. But I did not attack any of you personally, nor did I call you names. The person who originally posted the question asked why or why not, so I posted why my husband I and feel like we don't want to currently. It's not that I'm not willing to listen to what others have to say or doctors, I have talked to many of them. But I don't think it's wrong of me to stop and think and ask questions before I make a decision. Especially when it has to do with my family.
But this isn't a decision like attachment parenting, whether to breastfeed or not, cloth or disposable, etc. This is something that affects other people. Your family doesn't exist in a vacuum, so if you choose not to vaccinate, you are affecting other people.
You want your kids to develop "natural" immune systems, you let them play in the dirt once they're old enough, you don't expose them to pertussis or polio and hope for the best.
Okay and I understand that. But what concerns us, is not all the doctors that we have talked to so far agree with vaccinations. So that's what makes us want to dig a little deeper and find out.
I wonder where you live and who these quacks, I mean doctors are?
I'm just shocked that there are people out there like you that are STILL scared of vaccines and believe they will ruin your children's "pure" little bodies. It blows my mind.
Unfortunately scientifix surveys also say that the more you question and dump information on anti vaxxers the more they dig their heels in . It's a conundrum.
I really don't understand the arguments against vaccination. The autism link has been thoroughly debunked and even if it hadn't, I would rather be a mom to an autistic child than to have my baby die of a preventable disease. It is the one parenting choice that actually affects other people (unlike say BF or circ or car seat safety). My baby is too young to get the mmr vax so I HATE it that he could catch measles from an unvaccinated kid. Herd immunity protects us all, especially those who can't be vaccinated, and antivaxxers jeopardize that.
Oh, and LOL at people who have "done their research" by reading sources like Dr. Sears and NaturalNews.net. Science is your friend, people!
"done my research" has lost a lot of meaning thanks to the internet. That's usually what it means, and we all know the internet is full of only truth and scientific facts.
Yup, everyone has a doctorate from Google University now
I know this is against popular opinion, but we have decided against it. We have no problem with people that chose to vaccinate their children, but for us we just don't feel good about it. We would rather give our children's immune system a chance at growing stronger on its own before pumping them full of things we aren't really sure they need. Now don't get me wrong, if they are sick, then we will do everything and give them anything to make them better. But to just give it to them by the off chance they may get sick doesn't make sense to us.
Do you plan to home school?
I only ask because in my opinion there are two big flaws with the parents' choice movement. The first is the lack of the child's autonomy but I understand that is a slippery slope and we can't legislate an idea of good parenting. But the other is that your choice could very easily endanger other people's children in a real and scary way. For example, if you allowed your child to go near another mother's infant in a stroller or at a park you could expose the infant to pertussis which could be fatal. Or if you were visiting a relative at a hospital and your child encountered a cancer survivor at school who had lowered immune system responses they could become very ill.
I'm trying not to seem like I'm attacking, this is something I genuinely don't understand about anti vaxxers, how they reconcile that risk to others concept.
We don't plan on homeschooling. I guess my question is, even with these vaccinations, isn't there still a chance that you will get sick? I have been around many, many children and it seems to me that the ones that are up to date on vaccinations are much sicker in general. Please understand. It's not that I am 100% against vaccinations, I just think that I would like to give my child's body a chance before I start pumping them full of medicine. Your immune system will get stronger the more you are exposed to the outside world. And I believe these vaccinations were fantastic when they were created! We needed them, but I also believe we needed them because we weren't as medically advanced as we are now. Most people don't die of a fever or dehydration now a days. If for school my children need them, then my husband and I agreed we will revisit the decision. As for now though, I just don't feel comfortable with it.
I don't get this logic.
Yes, even if you keep up with vaccines and boosters, there is still a chance that your child will get sick. But that chance is very significantly lower if you have vaccinated, and those that are vaccinated often have less fatal responses to the disease. Why would you want your kid, for example, to have a 10% chance of getting fatal whooping cough when if he had been vaccinated that chance is lower than 1%?
Unless your child is allergic to the vaccine or has an autoimmune disorder or other issue that precludes his ability to receive the vaccine, there is zero risk associated with getting the vaccine itself. So why would you not get a risk free as-close-to-guarantee-as-you-can-get against a disease? Why even bother taking your chances?
Seriously though you should do research on what these diseases actually look like. People in other countries where they are prevalent would kill for the vaccines that you think are unnecessary. And the more people in this country that don't get them, the closer we get to having the diseases be regularly present in our society again.
I have done my research and will continue to do so. A majority of these diseases went away before the vaccinations even came about, all through proper sanitation, hygiene and nutrition. Research has found that those who are vaccinated are more susceptible to these illnesses. Our immune system recognizes and "attacks" viruses that come through our mouth, eyes and nose, it's not the same coming though a needle into our body. And the vaccinations, at best, only boost our immunity temporarily. I just find it difficult to trust companies and organizations who's number one goal is to make money, not for the safety of my child.
You are wrong. And there is no way you have done more or more thorough or more scientifically sound research than there the organizations who approve and recommend these - even if you had a PhD in biology, immunology, or chemistry - which I am assuming you don't, since you are against vaccines and your info is flat out wrong.
And there's a huge difference between "getting sick" and contracting deadly diseases for which we have vaccines.
I know this is against popular opinion, but we have decided against it. We have no problem with people that chose to vaccinate their children, but for us we just don't feel good about it. We would rather give our children's immune system a chance at growing stronger on its own before pumping them full of things we aren't really sure they need. Now don't get me wrong, if they are sick, then we will do everything and give them anything to make them better. But to just give it to them by the off chance they may get sick doesn't make sense to us.
Do you plan to home school?
I only ask because in my opinion there are two big flaws with the parents' choice movement. The first is the lack of the child's autonomy but I understand that is a slippery slope and we can't legislate an idea of good parenting. But the other is that your choice could very easily endanger other people's children in a real and scary way. For example, if you allowed your child to go near another mother's infant in a stroller or at a park you could expose the infant to pertussis which could be fatal. Or if you were visiting a relative at a hospital and your child encountered a cancer survivor at school who had lowered immune system responses they could become very ill.
I'm trying not to seem like I'm attacking, this is something I genuinely don't understand about anti vaxxers, how they reconcile that risk to others concept.
We don't plan on homeschooling. I guess my question is, even with these vaccinations, isn't there still a chance that you will get sick? I have been around many, many children and it seems to me that the ones that are up to date on vaccinations are much sicker in general. Please understand. It's not that I am 100% against vaccinations, I just think that I would like to give my child's body a chance before I start pumping them full of medicine. Your immune system will get stronger the more you are exposed to the outside world. And I believe these vaccinations were fantastic when they were created! We needed them, but I also believe we needed them because we weren't as medically advanced as we are now. Most people don't die of a fever or dehydration now a days. If for school my children need them, then my husband and I agreed we will revisit the decision. As for now though, I just don't feel comfortable with it.
This just scary for your child, and scary for newborns still waiting on vaccinations, with the possibility of coming into contact with an un vaccinated child like yours.
As I mentioned before, my grandmother died of Polio. Some people incorrectly believe that it is eradicated, making them feel like vaccinating for polio (or other scary diseases) is unnecessary. Case in point, the recent measles outbreak. If we had heard immunity, the outbreak would be much less horrifying than it is. Polio is not eradicated. It is gone in the U.S., but guess what. We live in a world where someone from rural India, where polio is very much alive, can get on a plane and come to the U.S. and infect unvaccinated people here. Measles. Not eradicated, much to the shock of so many anti-vaxxers with their misinformation. Why anyone would pass on protecting their own child, as well as other children and immunocompromised people is beyond me. Why not just walk around and shoot at people, then? It is also a dangerous and menacing decision to not vaccinate. There is plenty of SCIENTIFIC evidence (not opinion evidence) that shows if a person happens to contract a disease they were vaccinated for, the disease will run a much milder course, where it could be deadly if contracted without any sort of partial immunity to the disease. Flu, is a great example of that, as are measles and chicken pox (not that chicken pox is usually deadly, but it's severity). Mercola is another Dr who is a horrible menace when it comes to certain things like vaccines. All of these doctors against vaccines always cite studies that are invalid for a larger population. If you actually click through most of the studies, the population sample is often a very small size and/or in a very remote isolated population (where results are skewed in favor of whatever point they are trying to make vs a representation of the real population as a whole). The motivation for these doctors is to sell you their products or their books on how to prevent getting sick without vaccines. Guess what? Measles doesn't care if you are on the Mercola or Sears regimen. Vaccine manufacturers are not out to get us or make our children sick. They are trying to SAVE lives. Yes, they make a profit in the process, but so is every other company in the world. Would you stop shopping at the grocery store because they are profiting off of your patronage? They are in the business of feeding you, while making money. Vax manufacturers are in the business of keeping you healthy while making money in the process. The clothing we wear, the phones we buy, all of it is from companies who make a profit. The beauty is that the vax manufacturers use a lot of the profits to fund their research to further study diseases and create preventative measures for them. If vaccines truly were evil and didn't work, do you honestly think most people would get them? Don't you think we would have caught on by now? The only ones who question these things and spread vax fear mongering have their own agenda (to profit from you) and also risk public health in the process.
Letting children build their immunity up "naturally" does not make their immune system stronger than those who are vaccinated and is actually the opposite in many cases. Vaccines will not protect your child from the common cold or other childhood illnesses. Children who are vaccinated are not more likely to get sick from those illnesses than unvaccinated children. There is absolutely ZERO scientific evidence to substantiate those bogus claims. That is like saying that people with or without health insurance are more likely to get sick. There just is no valid link to those claims. After receiving a vaccination a person is more likely to get sick from other things for a week or two while their body is building immunity feel a vaccine, but i would rather vaccinate my child for polio and risk him/her getting a cold a little more easily for a week or two knowing they will be protected from something that could actually kill them. If you have a cold or the flu you are equally susceptible to other pathogens while your body fights that cold off. So it is a phenomenon that your child would face even if they never got a single vaccine, only they are unprotected from the really nasty bugs.
Unless there is a valid medical reason not to vaccinate your child, as in a licensed medical professional personally diagnosed your child as not being a candidate for vaccinations, protect your baby. Otherwise, don't bother with buying a car seat and just take a chance that you won't get in an accident. You are taking a chance that your child won't contract a plethora of horrible diseases which could also take their lives or leave them disabled physically or mentally. Also run red lights and risk injuring or killing others too. It really, truly is no different.
Science is firmly and irrefutably behind vaccines. All that is against vaccine is opinion; deadly incorrect opinion based on misinformation and conspiracy theories.
Want to do something good for your health and your children's' health? Eat Organic. Boycott pesticides. Vaccinate.
So if you decide not to vaccinate, please keep your child home at all times for his/her safety and for the safety of the little babies who are too young to have protection yet and for those with compromised immune systems. Thank you.
Edited to add: another critical aspect of vaccines and herd immunity is taking away a pathogen's ability to mutate. If there is not enough unvaccinated population, the virus/bacteria cannot mutate and become a more virulent strain (making the existing vaccines and medications less effective). That is why some of the measles vaccinated people who got measles from the outbreak still contracted it; the disease was given the opportunity to mutate. If everyone who was healthy enough to get the vaccine got it, there would be no way for a disease like that to mutate in to a scarier version of an already scary disease.
The same way I feel about seatbelts and not giving my baby a bottle full of vodka.
Because of one of these people, I was critically ill as an infant. Before my mom had a chance to vaccinate me for rubella, some maniac's kid gave it to me. I legit almost died and a good portion of my childhood i was left rather frail. Because of this woman's poor education and bad choices.
I stopped by to say I've done a lot of internet research and every article I read about the benefits of not vaccinating were disproved in another article.
The risks of not vaccinating are far greater than the risks of vaccinating. For the love of Pete! Vaccinate your children! If not, do not let them anywhere near mine.
One of the questions I asked my pediatrician before we accepted his services was whether or not he saw unvaccinated children. He said he did not, so we signed up.
Do your research until you're convinced you need to vaccinate. Because eventually you will be convinced, just as I was.
Re: How do you feel about vaccinations?
And why would you take your children to a pediatrician at all? You don't believe in scientific evidence or the advice of medical professionals. You obviously know better than those silly physicians based on whatever tinfoil hat websites you've been on.
Vaccination is on par with climate change in the realm of scientific opinion consensus (they may not all agree on the cause but virtually everyone in the scientific community now recognizes that it's happening).
There are a couple key pieces of information that you have that are inaccurate.
A) vaccines do not weaken a child's immune system
I will give you that in today's society it is unlikely that a disease of any kind would wreak havoc in the way it once did in history. Modern sanitation and modern health efforts to recognize outbreaks and enact quarantines would make it more difficult. This is why they were able to stop the Ebola outbreak. But the outbreak still happened and Ebola is actually much harder to catch than Measles. The question to ask yourself about this issue is how you would feel being in the same room with a child who had the measles or whooping cough with your child. I imagine you'd run as fast as you could (although the child would probably already have measles since that is airborne). If you would run with your own child, imagine how the mother of a one month old infant feels walking around having no idea who might be carrying potentially deadly illnesses towards her baby.
I wonder where you live and who these quacks, I mean doctors are?
I'm just shocked that there are people out there like you that are STILL scared of vaccines and believe they will ruin your children's "pure" little bodies. It blows my mind.
It is the one parenting choice that actually affects other people (unlike say BF or circ or car seat safety). My baby is too young to get the mmr vax so I HATE it that he could catch measles from an unvaccinated kid. Herd immunity protects us all, especially those who can't be vaccinated, and antivaxxers jeopardize that.
You are wrong. And there is no way you have done more or more thorough or more scientifically sound research than there the organizations who approve and recommend these - even if you had a PhD in biology, immunology, or chemistry - which I am assuming you don't, since you are against vaccines and your info is flat out wrong.
And there's a huge difference between "getting sick" and contracting deadly diseases for which we have vaccines.
Letting children build their immunity up "naturally" does not make their immune system stronger than those who are vaccinated and is actually the opposite in many cases. Vaccines will not protect your child from the common cold or other childhood illnesses. Children who are vaccinated are not more likely to get sick from those illnesses than unvaccinated children. There is absolutely ZERO scientific evidence to substantiate those bogus claims. That is like saying that people with or without health insurance are more likely to get sick. There just is no valid link to those claims. After receiving a vaccination a person is more likely to get sick from other things for a week or two while their body is building immunity feel a vaccine, but i would rather vaccinate my child for polio and risk him/her getting a cold a little more easily for a week or two knowing they will be protected from something that could actually kill them. If you have a cold or the flu you are equally susceptible to other pathogens while your body fights that cold off. So it is a phenomenon that your child would face even if they never got a single vaccine, only they are unprotected from the really nasty bugs.
Unless there is a valid medical reason not to vaccinate your child, as in a licensed medical professional personally diagnosed your child as not being a candidate for vaccinations, protect your baby. Otherwise, don't bother with buying a car seat and just take a chance that you won't get in an accident. You are taking a chance that your child won't contract a plethora of horrible diseases which could also take their lives or leave them disabled physically or mentally. Also run red lights and risk injuring or killing others too. It really, truly is no different.
Science is firmly and irrefutably behind vaccines. All that is against vaccine is opinion; deadly incorrect opinion based on misinformation and conspiracy theories.
Want to do something good for your health and your children's' health? Eat Organic. Boycott pesticides. Vaccinate.
So if you decide not to vaccinate, please keep your child home at all times for his/her safety and for the safety of the little babies who are too young to have protection yet and for those with compromised immune systems. Thank you.
Edited to add: another critical aspect of vaccines and herd immunity is taking away a pathogen's ability to mutate. If there is not enough unvaccinated population, the virus/bacteria cannot mutate and become a more virulent strain (making the existing vaccines and medications less effective). That is why some of the measles vaccinated people who got measles from the outbreak still contracted it; the disease was given the opportunity to mutate. If everyone who was healthy enough to get the vaccine got it, there would be no way for a disease like that to mutate in to a scarier version of an already scary disease.
Because of one of these people, I was critically ill as an infant. Before my mom had a chance to vaccinate me for rubella, some maniac's kid gave it to me. I legit almost died and a good portion of my childhood i was left rather frail. Because of this woman's poor education and bad choices.
I stopped by to say I've done a lot of internet research and every article I read about the benefits of not vaccinating were disproved in another article.
The risks of not vaccinating are far greater than the risks of vaccinating. For the love of Pete! Vaccinate your children! If not, do not let them anywhere near mine.
One of the questions I asked my pediatrician before we accepted his services was whether or not he saw unvaccinated children. He said he did not, so we signed up.
Do your research until you're convinced you need to vaccinate. Because eventually you will be convinced, just as I was.