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  • Rikki_5Rikki_5 member
    What about the Hep B vaccine given before discharge from the hospital?  Only given since 1991.  I tested negative for Hep B, how necessary is this shot?  
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    @jessafishy Thanks!! That's like getting caught walking around with your skirt tucked into your undies :D
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  • 1stComesLove4211stComesLove421 member
    edited March 2015
    I haven't had my first one vaccinated and don't plan to. She had the vitamin k shot (her daddy agreed to that one while I was asleep) But he did his research and I trust him in his choices.

    We refused hep b, and I haven't taken her for any. She doesn't go to daycare and we plan to homeschool, so we aren't concerned at all.

    I know this is a touchy subject, I felt so alone my last pregnancy. But I'm sticking with my own research and beliefs. For valid reasoning too. I was vaccinated as a child and suffered sever reactions that I'll never be able to reverse.

    My daughter is 7 months old now and has not been sick once, her immune system is way healthier than any other baby I know.
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  • Danieym88Danieym88 member
    kimberlygo said:

    Danieym88 said:

     Also when we were kids we got a total of about 10 vaccines. Now children get over 25 vaccinations before they are school age.

    This is because science has advanced. 
    Idk understand how more is better if we are vaccinating for the same things. Unfortunately medical science is more business and less what's best for us. Reading what the CDC itself lists as ingredients might change your mind.
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  • mommabear2410mommabear2410 member
    My question is if your child is vaccinated and you believe vaccinations protect your child from illness and disease why would you be concerned about an unvaccinated child?
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  • Danieym88Danieym88 member
    1stComesLove421 said:

    I haven't had my first one vaccinated and don't plan to. She had the vitamin k shot (her daddy agreed to that one while I was asleep) But he did his research and I trust him in his choices.

    We refused hep b, and I haven't taken her for any. She doesn't go to daycare and we plan to homeschool, so we aren't concerned at all.

    I know this is a touchy subject, I felt so alone my last pregnancy. But I'm sticking with my own research and beliefs. For valid reasoning too. I was vaccinated as a child and suffered sever reactions that I'll never be able to reverse.

    My daughter is 7 months old now and has not been sick once, her immune system is way healthier than any other baby I know.

    I agree with you! Non-vax babies are the healthiest babies I know! Half of my friends vax and half dont. The half that don't are never sick. And I'm not just saying that. It's what I have notices over the last several years.
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  • komorebikomorebi member
    I find it interesting that people think science has nothing bad to say about vaccines. Merck is currently under Federal investigation for falsifying data related to the MMR. And if you look at the adverse reaction database these supposed non existent or rare side effects are a little staggering. Throw in the information the CDC itself gives you and it is clear why many well educated parents delay our opt their children out.
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  • jessafishyjessafishy member
    komorebi said:

    I find it interesting that people think science has nothing bad to say about vaccines. Merck is currently under Federal investigation for falsifying data related to the MMR. And if you look at the adverse reaction database these supposed non existent or rare side effects are a little staggering. Throw in the information the CDC itself gives you and it is clear why many well educated parents delay our opt their children out.

    I'm pretty sure the adverse reaction database involves EVERY claim and not just those that are proven to be caused by vaccines. 
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  • Danieym88Danieym88 member
    edited March 2015
    jessafishy said:

    Danieym88 said:

    1stComesLove421 said:

    I haven't had my first one vaccinated and don't plan to. She had the vitamin k shot (her daddy agreed to that one while I was asleep) But he did his research and I trust him in his choices.

    We refused hep b, and I haven't taken her for any. She doesn't go to daycare and we plan to homeschool, so we aren't concerned at all.

    I know this is a touchy subject, I felt so alone my last pregnancy. But I'm sticking with my own research and beliefs. For valid reasoning too. I was vaccinated as a child and suffered sever reactions that I'll never be able to reverse.

    My daughter is 7 months old now and has not been sick once, her immune system is way healthier than any other baby I know.

    I agree with you! Non-vax babies are the healthiest babies I know! Half of my friends vax and half dont. The half that don't are never sick. And I'm not just saying that. It's what I have notices over the last several years.
    No. This is an anecdote. This is not fact or any kind of scientific evidence.
    I believe mommabear2410 specifically stated NO bashing. I am not bullying anyone or saying one decision is right or wrong for everyone. I'm saying for me and my family this is what is right. You don't get to judge me for wanting better for my children then what the government tries to scare us into. I'm not judging you for putting aborted fetuses and animal DNA in yours. This post was not intended for that kind of negativity directed at posters who don't agree with you.
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  • Danieym88Danieym88 member
    CDC says that's the facts
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  • jessafishyjessafishy member
    edited March 2015
    Danieym88 said:

    CDC says that's the facts

    There are not aborted fetuses in vaccines. Try again.

    P.S. I do know what you are referring to. There are still no aborted fetuses.
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  • ghostof5lettersghostof5letters member
    edited March 2015
    Danieym88 said:

    jessafishy said:

    Danieym88 said:

    1stComesLove421 said:

    I haven't had my first one vaccinated and don't plan to. She had the vitamin k shot (her daddy agreed to that one while I was asleep) But he did his research and I trust him in his choices.

    We refused hep b, and I haven't taken her for any. She doesn't go to daycare and we plan to homeschool, so we aren't concerned at all.

    I know this is a touchy subject, I felt so alone my last pregnancy. But I'm sticking with my own research and beliefs. For valid reasoning too. I was vaccinated as a child and suffered sever reactions that I'll never be able to reverse.

    My daughter is 7 months old now and has not been sick once, her immune system is way healthier than any other baby I know.

    I agree with you! Non-vax babies are the healthiest babies I know! Half of my friends vax and half dont. The half that don't are never sick. And I'm not just saying that. It's what I have notices over the last several years.
    No. This is an anecdote. This is not fact or any kind of scientific evidence.
    I believe mommabear2410 specifically stated NO bashing. I am not bullying anyone or saying one decision is right or wrong for everyone. I'm saying for me and my family this is what is right. You don't get to judge me for wanting better for my children then what the government tries to scare us into. I'm not judging you for putting aborted fetuses and animal DNA in yours. This post was not intended for that kind of negativity directed at posters who don't agree with you.
    You can't dictate how people respond. 
    Also, the aborted fetus thing is getting old. There were cells from one aborted fetus back in the 1960's used. The Pope fully supports vaccinations and the fact that the fetus cells were used for the greater good rather than discarded. Get over yourself. 
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  • Danieym88Danieym88 member
    edited March 2015
    What blows my mind is how all these people jump on judging and bashing when @mommabear2410 started this to get opinions of those who don't want to Vaccinate. Not get told how irresponsible and is not to vaccinate! I don't believe this post was created to start a debate.
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  • 1stComesLove4211stComesLove421 member
    edited March 2015
    Lesson learned- keep your thoughts to yourself or you will be trolled.

    I still think it was a bitch move talking down on my daughter and I will always go into mama bear mode. Just like you have done.

    I never said anyone was right or wrong in the choices they made. I just said it wasn't something we're doing. I don't have to defend my reasoning.

    Good for you if you vaccinate. That's your choice. Mine is different, accept that.
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  • ghostof5lettersghostof5letters member
    Danieym88 said:

    What blows my mind is how all these people jump on judging and bashing when @mommabear2410 started this to get opinions of those who don't want to Vaccinate. Not get told how irresponsible and is not to vaccinate! I don't believe this post was created to start a debate.

    You think people should just ignore fear mongering and projecting their beliefs that are a threat to public health and anti science? That their ignorance should be encouraged to help others make terrible decisions? We should coddle these people who are a threat to all of us and our children? Really?
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  • VioletandRoseVioletandRose member
    Here is a clear example of why anti-vaxxers are selfish and a threat to public health:
    https://www.cnn.com/2015/01/28/health/measles-antivaxxers/

    In summary, an anti-vax parent took their child with measles to the doctor. The child was in the same office on the same day as a 6 month old; too young to receive the vaccine. Because measles hang on air for hours, the 6-month-old is in danger of contracting it.

    At 6 months old, measles can blind a child, or even kill them.

    There are no proven facts that vaccines do actual harm. Your choice to not vaccinate, though, is hardly "personal." It can EASILY kill or severely harm other children. So if you decide to not vaccinate your child, great, move to a private island where you have NO contact with others.
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    MelMel92 said:

    1stComesLove421 said:

    JoiaBot said:

    1stComesLove421 said:

    I haven't had my first one vaccinated and don't plan to. She had the vitamin k shot (her daddy agreed to that one while I was asleep) But he did his research and I trust him in his choices.

    We refused hep b, and I haven't taken her for any. She doesn't go to daycare and we plan to homeschool, so we aren't concerned at all.

    I know this is a touchy subject, I felt so alone my last pregnancy. But I'm sticking with my own research and beliefs. For valid reasoning too. I was vaccinated as a child and suffered sever reactions that I'll never be able to reverse.

    My daughter is 7 months old now and has not been sick once, her immune system is way healthier than any other baby I know.

    My 8 month old baby is fully 100% vaccinated.  She has not been sick once, and she goes to daycare 5 days a week.

    So, I can only conclude that my baby's immune system is WAY better than your baby's immune system.
    That was a real bitch move. You should know better than to talk like that about someone else's child. She may not go to daycare, but she's not in a bubble. We go to church, shopping, friends houses, the zoo, and travel all the time. It's not like she's confined to the house all day everyday. Your response was pointless and made you sound like an ass.
    How is what she said any different from what you said? The only difference is you said your kids immune system is better than every vaccinated kids immune system, where she limited it to 1 child. She literally just repeated after you with less intensity, lol.
    I said "any other baby I know"... Didn't say I knew a lot of vaccinated babies.
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    rwedding0000 said:

    1stComesLove421 said:

    JoiaBot said:

    1stComesLove421 said:

    I haven't had my first one vaccinated and don't plan to. She had the vitamin k shot (her daddy agreed to that one while I was asleep) But he did his research and I trust him in his choices.

    We refused hep b, and I haven't taken her for any. She doesn't go to daycare and we plan to homeschool, so we aren't concerned at all.

    I know this is a touchy subject, I felt so alone my last pregnancy. But I'm sticking with my own research and beliefs. For valid reasoning too. I was vaccinated as a child and suffered sever reactions that I'll never be able to reverse.

    My daughter is 7 months old now and has not been sick once, her immune system is way healthier than any other baby I know.

    My 8 month old baby is fully 100% vaccinated.  She has not been sick once, and she goes to daycare 5 days a week.

    So, I can only conclude that my baby's immune system is WAY better than your baby's immune system.
    That was a real bitch move. You should know better than to talk like that about someone else's child. She may not go to daycare, but she's not in a bubble. We go to church, shopping, friends houses, the zoo, and travel all the time. It's not like she's confined to the house all day everyday. Your response was pointless and made you sound like an ass.
    Says the person who is denying fact. 
    What fact am I denying? The fact that as an infant the DTAP almost killed me and I spent weeks in the hospital? Maybe I don't want my daughter to die from a reaction, or have other sever reactions.

    The original poster wanted opinions, I gave mine and because it doesn't match all of yours you're going to attack me no matter what I say.
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  • Rikki_5Rikki_5 member
    edited March 2015
    Everyone should calm down.  This shouldn’t be a personal attack on anyone.  We are all adults with different views.  Everyone has a right to choose or not to choose to vaccinate just as everyone has a right to choose or not to choose to home school, breast feed, and the myriad other decisions it comes to parenting.  Both sides have valid points.  I think some vaccines are unnecessary and like I said, I’m not too sure about vaccinating a newborn for Hep B.  Flu shots have already been proven to be useless.  but when all is said and done your elementary school will require your child to be vaccinated right? Even if they don’t,  If you believe in vaccinations then your child is protected.  If you don’t you are putting your child at risk but your thinking is that the benefit outweighs the risk and that is your choice.  Your kids could catch the bad stuff because the diseases are real. They aren’t invented things. Your kids could catch stuff from others who believe vaccinations are unnecessary.  Since so many are believing this now, I will choose to vaccinate if even on a more scaled back level.  
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  • ghostof5lettersghostof5letters member
    edited March 2015
    mommabear2410 said:

    You know what I find disgusting about this thread. They fact that each and every one of us is a grown adult and the majority of the people cannot have a discussion without putting others down and bashing on one another. Grow up!

    Unvaccinated children put me, and my family at risk of diseases shouldn't be a problem. If your choice affects the life and safety of my children, grandparents, and family in a potentially lethal way, your damn right I'm going to judge you and say something. Not just coddle you for googling and making a decision based on zero facts. 
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    mommabear2410 said:

    My question is if your child is vaccinated and you believe vaccinations protect your child from illness and disease why would you be concerned about an unvaccinated child?

    That unvaccinated child goes to a school where other children are vaccinated, the vaccinated children don't get sick from the virus, but can STILL carry it, have younger siblings at home, that you just got sick and killed on purpose !
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    What's funny is in none of these posts have I said I AK NOT VACCINATING MY CHILD but thanks for your concern :) you also have no clue about my education experience or research on the fact.
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    mommabear2410 said:

    My question is if your child is vaccinated and you believe vaccinations protect your child from illness and disease why would you be concerned about an unvaccinated child?

    Do I or anyone else for that matter plan to get cancer and need treatment? What about your weakened immune system due to pregnancy? Your unvaccinated children can spread disease and kill the people who can't (for medical reason) be vaccinated or are immunocompromised. How can you not wrap your mind around that concept? How can you not care?
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    1. For Babies Under 6 Months of Age: If a baby’s mother has had her MMR shots and/or had measles infection in her life she passed antibodies to her baby during fetal development while in-utero and continues to pass them passively while breastfeeding. Those antibodies provide protection for young infants and typically are thought to protect infants for up to 6 months or more. The reason babies don’t get the MMR shot sooner than a year of age is because of the persistence of these maternal antibodies — if you put a vaccine in while maternal antibodies are still around the vaccine won’t stimulate the baby’s own immune system to respond, it will just get soaked up by the maternal antibodies doing their job.
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    mommabear2410 said:

    What's funny is in none of these posts have I said I AK NOT VACCINATING MY CHILD but thanks for your concern :) you also have no clue about my education experience or research on the fact.

    You've proved your knowledge base by posting moronic responses like the one below. If you had done any research you would already know the response to this question


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    My question is if your child is vaccinated and you believe vaccinations protect your child from illness and disease why would you be concerned about an unvaccinated child?

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