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Will you do something permanent for contraception? MFI diagnosis?

My husband and I are finally starting to feel better again after our final miscarriage (~6 months ago-from our last frozen embryo).
If we hadn't had IF, we would have had 3 singletons. But, we now see that it could be tricky adding a singleton to our twins...AND we are pretty busy with them already!

We've never conceived w/o IVF w/ICSI. We haven't used birth control since 2008. We are both 35. I have super normal periods with signs of ovulation every month. I am so tempted to either do Essure for me or vasectomy for him and then get an ablation to reduce (or eliminate) my periods! I probably wouldn't do it for another year...just to make sure that we aren't going to have a surprise baby (highly unlikely). I am looking forward to closing the door and NOT thinking about it anymore!

Anyone else do something permanent for birth control...even after infertility treatments?

Wedding Fall 2007 Off OCP's since 9/08-started with BBT charts Saw Ob/gyn May 2009 Blood work normal except single copy of MTHFR Clomid 50mg May 2009 Clomid 50mg + IUI June 2009 Femara 5mg + IUI July 2009 Normal HSG July 2009 Femara 5mg + ovidrel+IUI August 2009 Femara 5mg +ovidrel + IUI September 2009 November 2009-normal lap December 2009-met with RE December/January-Injectible med cycle with IUI-Abnormal sperm morpology found-only 0-1% normal All Head defects. Jan/Feb 2010 1st IVF with ICSI-5 week chemical pregnancy :( Feb 2010-male infertility doc says DH's anatomy and blood work are normal so nothing he can do. :( FET July 2010-BFP! Twin m/c @ 5.5 wks :( Dec/Jan 2011 IVF #2 Only 4 eggs retrieved-Ganirelix dose messed up BFFN Feb/March 2011 IVF #3 ER 3/9 9 eggs, 7 fertilized, ET 3/14, No frosties. BFN IVF #4 ER 8/22 9R,7F ET 8/25-3 embies, 1 frostie! Beta 9/2= 54, 9/6=274, 9/8=625, 9/12=2953, 9/16 greater than 10,000. B/G TWINS born April 2012 @ 36wks & 1 day! July 2014-going back for the frozen embryo! ET 7/28, heartbeat seen at 6wks1day with SCH. Miscarriage confirmed at 6wks4days





Re: Will you do something permanent for contraception? MFI diagnosis?

  • I am on the fence about having a 4th. We agreed to no more fertility treatments. If I am not pregnant again by the time I am turn 38 (I am 34) or #3 is PTed, then I am planning on getting essure. If I end up with a 4th child, I will be getting my tubes tied. I do not want a surprise pregnancy in my 40's nor do I want more than 4 kids. We have conceived without assistance with a MFI diagnosis.


    TTC#1 for 19 months with PCOS and MFI IUI#3 + injectables = BFP!!!!  Beta#1-134(13dpiui) Beta #2-392(15dpiui) 
    #1 born December 2011
    TTC#2 - Beta #1 -51@10dpo Beta#2 -1353 @16dpo
    #2 born May 2013
    TTC # 3 June 2014 BFP 12-1-14
    #3 born August 2015 
    #4!!!!!!! due June 2017 
  • Ugh, this is something DH and I have to talk about. I am fine with two and after DD2 was born, I suggested DH get a vasectomy so it was just done. He didn't and now I finally got my perod back- 14mos PP.

    I would be okay with a third. But it makes me nervous financially. I guess I just don't know. I think DH is assuming we are completely infertile,since I'm DOR, he's MFI and I'm 36 and we never got pg on our own. But I know surprises happen. I guess it's just fairly unlikely.
    IVF, acupuncture, meditation and a miracle. 

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  • We are also MFI and have never conceived on our own. That being said, I still plan on doing something once #2 arrives (we did nothing after our first and nothing happened).....I know our family will be complete at 2 and I will be 36, DH 40. I am thinking I may get a Mirena... but would need to do more research. A vasectomy is not off the table, but I feel like it may be a little unfair to put my DH through that when his guys don't swim well anyway - it's kind of insulting.


    "I won't give up on us, even if the skies get rough, I'm giving you all my love, I"m still looking up."
    TTC #1 since August 2011 MFI Diagnosis - April 2012
    IVF #1 - July 2012 - Stims start 7/2, ER 7/12, 20 retrieved, 16 mature, 13 fertilized!
    ET - 7/17 - 1 blast transferred. Beta - 7/26 273, Beta 2 7/30 - 1143. Beta 3 8/6 - 11,597
    12/25 - Santa tells us "IT'S A GIRL!" EDD - April 4th

    Our Little Easter Bunny has arrived!

    Molly Mildred born 03/31/13


    TTC A Sibling....... FET #1 11/14/14, Transferred one beautiful blast

    Remaining four frosties arrested due to "embryologist error"

    Plllllleasssee stick little icicle.....Beta 11/23...BFN

    Starting ALL over with a fresh IVF cycle

    Stims start 11/28/14, ER December 10th, 13 eggs retrieved, 11 mature, only 4 fertilized 

    1 Blast Transferred on December 15th..... Beta Christmas Eve... Please Santa, bring me a baby!

    Beta #1 345.....Beta #2....750/ First U/S 1/13/15/HB 131....EDD 9/2/2015

  • I'm not sure. We had talked about 3 kids and currently have 1. A lot hangs on this next IVF cycle starting next week. If we end up with one more and no frosties, I think we would just wait and see. However, we are unexplained and never gotten pregnant (that we know) on our own. If we have frosties, we would probably prevent and FET.
    TTC Since 3/2010
    Me-36, Unexplained Infertility, DH-35, all clear
    Clomid 50mg 12/2011 = BFN
    Clomid 100mg 1/2012 = BFN, with Cyst
    IVF #1 Lupron/Menopur/Gonal-f/HCG Trigger
    ER 4/19/12 = 11 retrieved, 6 fertilized,
    ET 4/22/12 = 2 transfered (day 3), remaining 3 weren't good enough to freeze
    Beta 5/3 = BFP, 87 Beta #2 5/7 560.9 Beta #3 5/9 1376.5 First u/s One Baby, 125bpm!
    Second u/s, 176bmp! Kicked over to the OB by the RE at 8w. Team Green!! 
    Baby girl J arrived two weeks early! Born into water, med-free. Hooray for Team Pink!

    TTC #2 - back to the RE, treatment started 12/2014. 

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  • DH wanted 2 from day one. I wanted 3 or 4. With twins, I convinced DH to think about a third. We agreed to stop trying to prevent at some point, but never seek help from the RE. We were unexplained.

    If this current pregnancy sticks, we will be done and I will get my tubes tied if I end up with another c/s. But, if it doesn't, we will probably stop trying to prevent and see if we can beat the odds. In 3 or 4 years,DH will get a vascectomy. I don'twant the hope of a spontaneous pregnancy dangling in front of me in my late 30s/ early 40s.
    TTC in 2009, Dx: Unexplained IF
    Three TI cycles (BFP...miscarriage), five IUI attempts and 2.5 IVF cycles later...BFP!!
    12dp5dt: 765; 15dp5dt: 1979; 17dp5dt: 3379...TWINS!!!!!
    Our perfect baby boys were born at 36w1d!! 








  • I don't know what we will do although mfi is not our only issue. We haven't discussed it yet but once we are done, I don't want that hanging in the back of my mind.

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    TTC #1 since 3/2011
    DX: anovulatory and severe MFI
    DH is a testicular cancer survivor
    IVF#1 w/ICSI lupron, gonal f, ovidrel
    ER 6/15/12 6R 6M 6F! ET 6/20/12
    Beta #1: 154 Beta #2: 509 Beta #3: 7326
    Baby Boy born 3/1/2013
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    TTC#2: 6/2014 all testing came back normal

    IVF#2 (#1 for LO#2) 9/2014 - 17R 10M 10F 4 blasts frozen on day 6.

    FET #1 10/15/14 - Beta #1: 216  Beta #2: 823


    Baby Boy born 7/10/2015


  • If our FET works I'm planning on getting my tubes tied. If not we'll do nothing. We're also MFI.
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    Me 33 DH 36 Together 10 years, Married 5 years

    TTC #1 since 8/2007 with MFI
    November 2012 - IVF w/ ICSI #1; 11/28/12 - ER 12 eggs! 11 fertilized! 12/3/12 - ET - transferred 1 AA Blastocyst
    Charlotte Hannah -born 8/13/13.
  • We have MFI and I just had our second child. First at 37 second at 39 and the complications between the two were crazy. We conceived through IVF both times and transferred 3 embryos each time - and one stuck each cycle. We have three frosties left and we aren't sure what to do. I feel like we could never conceive on our own without IVF, but I know it happens and if it did I would feel bad for not giving our frozen embryos a chance. Currently I have a newborn and a 17 month old so we might be done but aren't completely sure.

    Me 38 MH 41 - TTC since June 2010 - dx with Severe MFI. Straight to IVF with ICSI. IVF #1 - ER 06/13/12 - 9 Eggs Retrieved - 4 ICSI'd - only 2 fert. 06/15/12 - 2DT - 3 cell & 6 cell with fragmentation. Beta 06/29/12 - IVF #1 = BFN. 07/20/12 - WTF Appt -Told by our RE to quit IVF. Second Opinion from RE is good. IVF#2 - November 2012. Estradiol Pills Started 11/6. Stims start 11/16. ER 11/26 - 7 eggs retrieved - all mature. 4 fertilized with ICSI. ET 11/29 Transferred 3 embryos. Beta is 12/10. 1st Beta 81 2nd Beta 160 and 3rd beta 360!!! First U/S 12/21/12 - We saw one beautiful gest. sac. 2nd U/S is 01/04/2013 - H/B 183 02/05/13 - NT Scan - everything looks good and IT'S A BOY!  Aiden was born 08/20/2013.

    IVF #2 is in progress.  ER was 05/12/14 - 11 eggs retrieved, 8 fertilized with ICSI.  ET was 05/15/14 - we transferred 3 embryos as we did on the cycle my son was conceived.  We were able to freeze 3 embryos. Beta is scheduled for 05/26/14.  1st beta - 111.  2nd beta - 159 didn't double :( 3rd beta Friday 5/30) - not a lot of hope left. Beta # 3 is 247 - probably ectopic.  Beta # 4 is 813 - possibly vanishing multiple sydrome?  06/05/14 - 5w4days - first U/S - we see a gestational sac and yolk - still have hope!  06/17/14 - 7w1day - U/S and saw and heard the heartbeat - Finally!  06/27/14 - 8w4days - Baby and heartbeat look and sound great :)  EDD 02/01/14 and It's a boy!


     "Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end."


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  • Out initial diagnosis was severe MFI,with <1 million total sperm. With counts so low our only option for biological children is IVF with ICSI. Since I can't seem to get pregnant with IVF w/ ICSI and PGD there is .000001% chance of spontaneous conception. Therefore, we won't use BC again.
    TTC since 3-08 IVF # 1 Dec 2011 BFP DD born at 31 weeks 6-24-12

    FET #1 Dec 2013 BFN

    FET # 2 Feb 2014 BFN

    No more frosties

    IVF #2. September 2014

    PGD yielded 2 perfect 5d blasts

    SET November 9, 2014
    Nov 23, 2014. Another BFN

    Not sure where to go from here.

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  • When we're done one of us will do something about it. I'm not sure who or what. Right now we use BC to prevent a pregnancy but mostly to prevent another miscarriage.
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    BzeetyD = 38, Mr. BzeetyD = 44 together 12/02 married 9/08
    TTC #1 since 1/10
    DX: Unexplained/??? MFI issues

    Our lil' lost sparks:
    5w3d loss 7/30/10 - EDD March 2011
    8w loss 4/15/11 - EDD November 2011
    8w3d loss 8/2/12 - EDD March 2013
    4w c/p loss 10/29/12 - EDD July 2013

    Long story: trying on our own + testing testing testing with 6 rounds of Clomid, more testing, injectables + TI, laparoscopy - one tube blocked, 2 IUIs with Follistim...BFNs.
    RPL testing all normal, Karyotyping normal

    Moving on to IVF.

    IVF #1 April 2012 = BFN, IVF #2 June 2012 = BFP. U/S 7/23 = saw heartbeat but measuring behind. Follow up U/S on 7/30 - no heartbeat. D&C 8/2. Trisomy 12. IVF #3 Oct 2012 = Chemical Pregnancy

    Phone consult with CCRM on 12/12/12 - ODWU 1/4/13 - both tubes clear(!) - AFC 24, AMH 3.2, FSH 9.6, LH 5.4, E2 25. DH has high frag rate but improved!
    IVF #4 March 2013 CCRM. EP protocol w/ Menopur, Gonal-F & Dexamethasone. ER 3/29 & IMSI, PICSI. 43R 13M 10F 6blasts bio'd. CCS testing reveals 3 normals!!!
    FET 5/31/13 of 1 4AA blast - thawed and expanded. 4dp5dt BFP.
    Beta 9dp5dt = 181, 11dp5dt = 427. 1st u/s showed a healthy heartbeat! EDD 2/16/14

    After 4 years of hoping and heartbreak, our sweet little bean was born on 2/19/14
    We are so in love with her.

    "I'm not telling you it's going to be easy, I'm telling you it's going to be worth it."

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  • If I am able to deliver these 2 vaginally, we will definitely use some form of BC.  Not sure what.  I do know we don't want more then 3 children.  If I have to have a c-section, I am thinking of having my tubes tied.  If I have a vaginal birth, I'm sure we will do something permanent down the road.
    Me 35, DH 36
    TTC summer 2008
    Diagnose me. DOR, DH perfect
    IUI # 1 6/2010, BFN
    IUI # 2 8/2010, BFN
    IVF # 1 10/2010 Canceled poor response
    IVF 1.2 12/2010 BFP! mc 6 weeks 2 days
    Mental health break for 10 months
    IVF # 2 10/2011 BFN
    IVF # 3 5/2012 BFP! 10 eggs retrieved (best ever)
    7 fertilized transferred 3
    Beta #1 14dpo - 72, Beta #2 17dpo 145 Beta 3 20dpo 521
    First u/s June 15 saw HB 126 bpm missed m/c 7/5/12 10 weeks D&C 7/6/12
    IVF#4 ER 9/30 ET 10/3 Beta 10/16 BFFN. IVF #5 final with o/e. ER 1/21 only 1 retrieved, hoping my lonestar is the one. Beta #1 2/6/13 = 209.... please let this be it! Keep growing lonestar! Beta #2 2/8/13 - 586! , Beta #3 2/10/13 = 1898. First u/s perfect little heart beat at 116 bpm. Measure 6 weeks 1 day. EDD 10/14/13
    3/4/13 measuring right on track beautiful heartbeat 171 bpm, graduated from RE to OB... bittersweet.
    PAIF/SAIF always welcome! Its a girl! 

    Maggie Grace is here!  10/5/13... 8lbs 6 ounces of pure joy!

    TTC#2  No birth control since DD was born.  Getting ready to jump back in the saddle.  Weaning this month. RE
    appt scheduled 5/8.   Here we go again!

    IFV# 6.  10/27  6 retrieved 4 mature 3 fertilized.  2 made it to 3dt 10/30. 1"very pretty 8 cell" and 1 6 cell.  Beta
    11/13.   Please stick embies!!!!  We love you so much already! 11/12/14  POAS, BFP... beta tomorrow!
    11/13 beta #1  924!!!  2nd bet 11/15 1906, one more on 11/17 3rd & final beta 3430.  First u/s 12/5, 7w4d, 2 heartbeats,
    both measuring right on track....2nd u/s... all is well... both beans measuring right on track... released from RE... first
    appointment with MFM 1/5.  Looks like this is really happening!

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  • DH has azoo based on a condition he was born with. There is no way we will ever conceive without significant intervention. We won't do any form of contraception ever again as it would just be a waste of money.
  • My husband is considering getting a vascetomy sometime in the near future.  His issue is really bad morph and then borderline count and motility but despite that, and despite my "advanced" age, we have gotten pregnant in the past without assistance.  So, although I believe the odds are pretty low of having it happen when I'm 43 and older, we will probably still peruse permanent birth control.  I can't use any kind of hormonal birth control and am not comfortable with an IUD so if we do something it will be a vascetomy.

    Kelly, Mom to Christopher Shannon 9.27.06, Catherine Quinn 2.24.09, Trey Barton lost on 12.28.09, Therese Barton lost on 6.10.10, Joseph Sullivan 7.23.11, and our latest, Victoria Maren 11.15.12

    Secondary infertility success with IVF, then two losses, one at 14 weeks and one at 10 weeks, then success with IUI and then just pure, crazy luck.  Expecting our fifth in May as the result of a FET.

    This Cluttered Life

  • I think our chances are highly unlikely of ever conceiving spontaneously too. DH's last SA was from 8/2011 when we did our last fresh IVF. I haven't used birth control in 6.5 years and we have only conceived with IVF. His count was ~60 million, motility 40-50% and morphology was always 0-1%. But, there is always that possibility in the back of my mind.

    DH would get a vasectomy though even though our diagnosis was MFI. He felt so bad when I was going through the hsg, exploratory lap, 5 IUI's and 6 embryo transfers.  I'm not completely ready yet, but I will be soon. I am thinking about getting him another SA. If there is no change, I might be ready to do something permanent sooner rather than later.


    Wedding Fall 2007 Off OCP's since 9/08-started with BBT charts Saw Ob/gyn May 2009 Blood work normal except single copy of MTHFR Clomid 50mg May 2009 Clomid 50mg + IUI June 2009 Femara 5mg + IUI July 2009 Normal HSG July 2009 Femara 5mg + ovidrel+IUI August 2009 Femara 5mg +ovidrel + IUI September 2009 November 2009-normal lap December 2009-met with RE December/January-Injectible med cycle with IUI-Abnormal sperm morpology found-only 0-1% normal All Head defects. Jan/Feb 2010 1st IVF with ICSI-5 week chemical pregnancy :( Feb 2010-male infertility doc says DH's anatomy and blood work are normal so nothing he can do. :( FET July 2010-BFP! Twin m/c @ 5.5 wks :( Dec/Jan 2011 IVF #2 Only 4 eggs retrieved-Ganirelix dose messed up BFFN Feb/March 2011 IVF #3 ER 3/9 9 eggs, 7 fertilized, ET 3/14, No frosties. BFN IVF #4 ER 8/22 9R,7F ET 8/25-3 embies, 1 frostie! Beta 9/2= 54, 9/6=274, 9/8=625, 9/12=2953, 9/16 greater than 10,000. B/G TWINS born April 2012 @ 36wks & 1 day! July 2014-going back for the frozen embryo! ET 7/28, heartbeat seen at 6wks1day with SCH. Miscarriage confirmed at 6wks4days





  • We are willing to have another child via FET (one snowbaby awaits), however we do not want a naturally-conceive pg.  That said, we are NTNP (not trying, not preventing).  It makes me nervous.  All 5 of my naturally-conceived pgs ended badly - one almost took my life.  (Both my IVF-FETs pg were routine and children were born.)  My first and last naturally-conceived pgs were 32 and 37, I am now 42 - what are the chances one would be naturally-conceived and stick now? less than 0 of 5 for sure -- but we are Unexplained and my maternal family has late menopause, so there is the possibility.  I feel our chances are low enough that the Rhythm Method would be sufficient as BC and I made DH buy condoms for my fertile week (but we haven't used them ---  I think I need to so I don't drive myself crazy around AF time).  Good luck with your choice.

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