Success after IF

Do we ever get "over" IF?

I took Olivia to see Sesame Street Live this morning with my mother.  As the show started and Olivia was so excited, I started to tear up.  There was a time period when I didn't think I would ever have a child to do this with.  Damn IF still hurts.
TTC since Jan. 2010 DX Unexplained infertility
3 IUI's w/Clomid & Ovidrel=all BFNs
3 IVF (2 Fresh, 1 frozen) =BFN
Jan 2012 New RE & Fresh Cycle =BFP!
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Re: Do we ever get "over" IF?

  • It never goes away. I cry at similar things all the time! I cried at a museum last week because they were walking around saying "Wow!" over and over again. And, so many of my friends are TTC or newly pregnant. I'm still jealous!
    TTC in 2009, Dx: Unexplained IF
    Three TI cycles (BFP...miscarriage), five IUI attempts and 2.5 IVF cycles later...BFP!!
    12dp5dt: 765; 15dp5dt: 1979; 17dp5dt: 3379...TWINS!!!!!
    Our perfect baby boys were born at 36w1d!! 








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  • I also find myself crying over stuff like that. When I see her make a new discovery, Christmas morning, the first time she really hugged me back....yup, lots of tears!
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    TTC# 1 since 5/10
    Me:34 Type 1 Diabetes, Ankylosing Spondylitis, Hypothyroid DH:35 Perfect
    DX: Unexplained IF
    Many IUI's with various meds all BFFN
    IVF #1 11/11 canceled due to OHSS
    IVF #2 Feb/March 2012 ET of 2 on day 3 4/7 BFP! 5/1 u/s blighted ovum
    IVF #3 July 2012 ET of 3 on day 3 7/24 BFP!
    Healthy baby girl born at 36w4d on 3/9/13

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    TTC #2
    IVF #4 May/June 2014 ER 6/4 18R 8M 8F ET 6/9 1 blast, 2 frosties
    Beta 6/18 BFFN

    FET of 2 blasts 7/24...BFP!
    Healthy baby girl born at 36w3d on 3/17/15

    TTC#3
    IVF #5 June 2018- PGS planned, no surviving embryos
    IVF #6 August 2018- ET of 2 on day 3 - Chemical pregnancy
    IVF #7 August 2019-....?
  • I hear you! DH had J this morning and I was waiting at home for my meds to arrive (yay Saturday morning fun). I was cleaning out J's closet and tearing up putting away all her 12-18mo clothes from the summer. I always though we would have three kids. I'm dying to have another girl because all the clothes are so freaking cute. However, I don't know if I have more than one more IVF cycle in me (I have no idea what this cycle could bring). I opened my meds box today and just wanted to sob hysterically. There are also some books I still can't get through reading to J because they make me cry. Hugs to my peeps.
    TTC Since 3/2010
    Me-36, Unexplained Infertility, DH-35, all clear
    Clomid 50mg 12/2011 = BFN
    Clomid 100mg 1/2012 = BFN, with Cyst
    IVF #1 Lupron/Menopur/Gonal-f/HCG Trigger
    ER 4/19/12 = 11 retrieved, 6 fertilized,
    ET 4/22/12 = 2 transfered (day 3), remaining 3 weren't good enough to freeze
    Beta 5/3 = BFP, 87 Beta #2 5/7 560.9 Beta #3 5/9 1376.5 First u/s One Baby, 125bpm!
    Second u/s, 176bmp! Kicked over to the OB by the RE at 8w. Team Green!! 
    Baby girl J arrived two weeks early! Born into water, med-free. Hooray for Team Pink!

    TTC #2 - back to the RE, treatment started 12/2014. 

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  • It will always be a part of me and I don't know if I will ever 100% get over it. It has definitely changed me for life. I am so grateful to have my son. I cried a lot during my pregnancy and afterwards as well. I just could not believe I had finally achieved a healthy pregnancy. Infertility stole a lot of my pregnancy joy.

    My DH and I were talking about our plans for this year and we had a crazy moment where we realized that since 2011, this will be the first year where we do not have to make any infertility plans. We were like, "wow, we don't have to cycle if we don't want to and we probably won't!" It felt strange but good. We have spent so many years living and planning our lives around cycling. We know we would like at least one more but since it took us 5 IVF cycles to get our son, I am not sure what direction I want to go in. I know I don't have 5 more cycles in me emotionally, mentally, and especially not financially.

    Me & DH (33), 3 Furbabies, TTC since October 2011
    Day 3 #’s (Dec 2012) FSH 9, AMH .77, LH 2.4, E2 31, AFC 9 

    DX: Me-DOR + No Tubes, DH-Fine

    Ectopic 2007; lost tube/2nd tube removed Dec 2011 (hydro)

    April 2012=IVF#1- EPP Antag+ICSI, 2R,0F (BFN), Now dx’d with DOR.

    June-July 2012=IVF#2- MDL+ICSI&AH, 8R,4M,3F (BFP 9dp3dt) Beta#1 at 11dp3dt=36, Beta#2 at 15dp3dt=156, Beta#3 at 19dp3dt=671, dx'd with SCH, no growth-m/c at 7wks/Lap Dec 2012 to remove small fibroid.

    Feb 2013=IVF#3-MDL, 2/1=baseline, started 10 units mdl, AFC-7, 2/3 start gonal f, self cxld cycle b/c of low e2.

    April 2013=IVF#3.5-(with new RE)AG/ANT Conv + ICSI. 4/10-4/23 bcp's, 4/20-4/27 lupron, 4/28-ganirelix until end of stimming, 5/2-600 gonal f, 5/4-add 1/2 vial menopur, 5/13-ER (9R,1M,1F), 5/17-ET, 1 beautiful 8 cell (please be my sticky baby!!!!) 5/28-BFFN.

    Oct 2013=IVF#4-LLP+ICSI &AH, 10/14 (6R, 2M, 2F), 10/17-ET, 1 seven cell & a six cell, BFP at 9dp3dt, 1st beta=56, 2nd beta=52, CP.

    Jan 2014=IVF #5-LLP, Cxld after 6 days of stims due to fast response and lead follicle. 

    March 2014=IVF 5.5-LLP, Lupron 3/10, BL 3/18, 11 days of stims, Trigger 3/29, ER 3/31. 7R, 2M, 2F. ET 4/3. Txfd one 5 cell & one 9 cell. BFP on hpt from 7dp3dt & on. Praise be to God. Beta #1 at 11dp3dt=106, #2 at 13dp3dt=239. First u/s 4/28, measuring on track & heartbeat seen. 5/5-2nd u/s, measuring on track with strong heartbeat. 5/12- 3rd u/s & released from RE. Grow baby grow, we love you! Baby G&T is a BOY! Born 12/2014 via c/s! 8lbs, 8oz & 21 inches.


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  • Haha!  I'm definitely not "over" IF.  I almost cried the other day watching a commercial for Disney World, thinking how I once wasn't sure I'd ever get to take a child there, and now I have twin daughters who I want to take there in another 2-3 years.

    I used to get so upset at the Disney commercials! The ones with the pricing for a family of four? I always got angry wondering why they couldn't put pricing for a family of three!
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    TTC# 1 since 5/10
    Me:34 Type 1 Diabetes, Ankylosing Spondylitis, Hypothyroid DH:35 Perfect
    DX: Unexplained IF
    Many IUI's with various meds all BFFN
    IVF #1 11/11 canceled due to OHSS
    IVF #2 Feb/March 2012 ET of 2 on day 3 4/7 BFP! 5/1 u/s blighted ovum
    IVF #3 July 2012 ET of 3 on day 3 7/24 BFP!
    Healthy baby girl born at 36w4d on 3/9/13

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    TTC #2
    IVF #4 May/June 2014 ER 6/4 18R 8M 8F ET 6/9 1 blast, 2 frosties
    Beta 6/18 BFFN

    FET of 2 blasts 7/24...BFP!
    Healthy baby girl born at 36w3d on 3/17/15

    TTC#3
    IVF #5 June 2018- PGS planned, no surviving embryos
    IVF #6 August 2018- ET of 2 on day 3 - Chemical pregnancy
    IVF #7 August 2019-....?
  • HeatherHam10HeatherHam10 member
    edited January 2015
    I'm with you ladies. Ds is 5.5 months and I still get teary eyed about all of the things I never thought we'd get to do. And a little jealous of those who get pregnant easily :/
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    Me 28 DH 30

    After 4+ years TTC

    FET #2 = DS Madden Jeffery <3 July 29, 2014 <3
  • "And no matter what anyone says about grief and time healing all wounds, there are certain sorrows that never fade away until the heart stops beating and the last breath is taken"

    This is how I feel, perhaps if I hadn't had m/c's it would be easier to move on but six times a year I will never forget what happened or how infertility made events happen in my family that have ruined relationships forever.

    Everyday there are toys and stuffed animals lying around my house I can't believe it!
    6 m/c
    Anovulatory cycles, increased Synthroid Diagnosed Sep 2010
    Natural cycle Dec 2010 BFP M/C 6 1/2 Weeks, D&E Jan 2011
    1 Clomid/Ovidrel BFN May 2011
    Natural cycle Aug 2011 BFP M/C 4 Weeks
    1 IUI Sept 2011 BFP M/c 7 weeks
    Provera Dec 2011 BFP M/C 3 Weeks
    DQ ALPHA HLA MATCH, High NK Cells Diagnosed Dec 2011
    IVF March 2012 BFP m/c 4weeks 5 days (IL, Prednisone)
    IVF#2w/DS July 2012 MEGA FAILURE BFN (IL, Dexamethasone)
    Diagnosed No real HLA Match, DQ Beta Triad, High TNF, Low NK Cells
    Oct 2012 Natural Cycle m/c 4wks (Lovenox, Prednisone) 
    Went to Beer Center- high tnf, low lad, implantation failure
    Nov/Dec 2012 LIT Treatment
    Dec 12 Humira
    Jan 2013 BFP
    Humira,LIT,Prednisone, Lovenox, IVIG, Baby Aspirin
    Miracle Born August 2013 Premature

    Yours doesn't have to be a sad story



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  • I don't think so.

    I will always be sad around pregnant women (I needed to use a surrogate, so never got to be past 8 weeks pregnant). 

    I think of it like a death, and most have to grieve many times over for their loss.

    TTC #1 since 12/2010 DH: MFI, cancer survivor Me: Resected septate uterus, lap treated mild endo, tubes open, ovulate on own, autoimmune disease 3 Failed IUI's (2/2012, 4/2012, 6/2012) 
    IVF #1 August 2012. BFP! Beta #1 56.7 Beta #2 150 One baby, one heartbeat on 9/20/12! no h/b @7w6d. dandc @8w0d
    FET #1 December 2012, BFN
    FET #2 February 2013, no embies survived thaw
    IVF #2, BFP #2, Loss #2 March 2013, Scar tissue discovered, RPL testing,
    IVF #3, BFP #3, Loss #3 (twins) September 2013
    Hostile ute, moving onto Gestational Carrier!

    GC/FET #1 of 1 5AA blast and 1 compacted blast, February 2014, BFP #4 on 3/1/2014!
    6w u/s 1 bean with h/b of 145 bpm, 8w u/s 187 bpm
    EDD 11/7/14. Please, please, please stick little one!

    Praying unceasingly for a miracle. ALL welcome!

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  • I don't think the emotional scarring will ever fully heal, but I'm definitely in a better place
    TTC #1 Since 4/2010, Cycle 30
    Positive for HLA-B27, I'm a mutant :p
    Testing - Me ok, gluten issue? DH - borderline count, low motility
    4/28/11 IUI#1 = BFP!(5/25), EDD 2/2/12 - m/c 5w3d
    7/3, 7/31, 9/25 - IUI#2-4=BFN
    IVF#1 - 1 blast = BFP!! (12/30), EDD 9/9/12, confirmed c/p 4w2d
    FET#1 3/2/12 - 2 blasts =BFP!! EDD 11/18/12, us#1 = twins! Confirmed m/c 5w6d
    4/20-surprise BFP and another c/p 4w2d
    FET#2 7/16/12 - 2 blasts = BFN
    FET#3 8/20/12 - 1 blast - BFP!! Beta #1-2=177, 354
    1st u/s 5w6d, one beautiful little HB :), 2nd u/s 146bpm
    baby girl born 5/10/13

    TTC#2 since 12/17/2014, Cycle 8
    Repeat Testing...FSH=12, AMH=3.8, AFC=28. 
    IUI#5 5/10/15- c/p?
    IVF#2 8/19/15 - cancelled due to cysts
    IVF#2 take two 10/2015 - 5 blasts frozen
    FET#4 12/11/2015 - BFN - 4 blasts remaining
    FET#5 2/18/16 - BFP!!!  Beta1-3, 126, 250, 745!!

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    Tons of love and ((hugs)) to my IF sister NMscubagirl


  • In general I feel better, but I do still feel a sting when people say things to me like "We are going to have our next baby in XX month because of XX." And they do, because they BD on day 14 of their cycle and get KU.
    Married 6/08, TTC 7/09
    MC w/ D&C 3/11 ~ 9.5 weeks
    CP/MC 1/12 ~ 5 weeks
    2 IUI's w/ BFN
    IVF 6/12 ~ 8R, 0F ~ Rescue ISCI gave us 3dt of 2 (6 cell, 9+ cell)
    DS born ~ 3/3/13
    IVF 6/14 ~ Operation Sibling ~ 10R, 5F ~ 5dt of 1 Blast
    Beta 1: 1600+, Beta 2: 4588
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  • richzep said:
    Like when my sister asked me to pick up a pregnancy test to see if she's accidentally pregnant with a baby she doesn't want...left me bitter for days. 
    I don't know that I would have taken this very well. Does your sister know about your struggles, @richzep ?  I only have brothers (neither are dating), so this situation doesn't apply. I think I would have been a bit...uncharitable. 
    TTC Since 3/2010
    Me-36, Unexplained Infertility, DH-35, all clear
    Clomid 50mg 12/2011 = BFN
    Clomid 100mg 1/2012 = BFN, with Cyst
    IVF #1 Lupron/Menopur/Gonal-f/HCG Trigger
    ER 4/19/12 = 11 retrieved, 6 fertilized,
    ET 4/22/12 = 2 transfered (day 3), remaining 3 weren't good enough to freeze
    Beta 5/3 = BFP, 87 Beta #2 5/7 560.9 Beta #3 5/9 1376.5 First u/s One Baby, 125bpm!
    Second u/s, 176bmp! Kicked over to the OB by the RE at 8w. Team Green!! 
    Baby girl J arrived two weeks early! Born into water, med-free. Hooray for Team Pink!

    TTC #2 - back to the RE, treatment started 12/2014. 

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  • I feel good most days. But still have major pangs of jealousy when a pregnancy is announced. I wish that would just go away!!!
    Started TTC 2/2009
    Started fertility treatments 11/2010
    Ovarian dysfunction, LPD, male factor
    6 failed medicated IUI's
    Pregnant 5/2011 - Miscarriage at 6 weeks due to triploidy
    Decided to adopt - 6/2012
    SURPRISE! Pregnant without intervention - 7/2012 
    Sweet Baby James Born 3/2013
    Decided to be "One and Done"

    ....OR NOT.
    Pregnant 12/2018 despite birth control pills
    Here we go again...
    Due 8/26/19!
  • Great topic :). I think it will stay with me all my life, it changed who I am. I have definitely learned to try and appreciate everything in life and never take anything for granted. I still have a very hard time at baby showers and being around other pregnant women but I try to stay strong :) As the saying goes "what doesn't kill us will only make us stronger". I also really admire other couples/women who have gone through the same thing and survived, it has inspired me never to give up and remain hopeful (my first baby conceived through ivf due in June 2015!!).
  • I won't ever forget the pain and struggle. Infertility will be a part of me always and has changed me as a person, and not necessarily in a bad way. I have met a lot of wonderful people on this journey and I've been able to support friends who find themselves in the IF world. Or friends who ask me about it because they have friends or family who are and they want to know how best to support them, etc. It feels good to be able to help in any way I can. 
    Dx: Unexplained Infertility

    TTC #1 
    IUI's #1 - #3 Clomid = BFN's, IUI #4 Follistim = BFP
    Grayson arrived via emergency c-section on 7/28/12!

    TTC #2 
    IUI's #1 - #4 Follistim = BFN's
    IVF #1 w/ ICSI + PGS: Lupron/Follistim/Menopur
    ER 4/13 - 19R, 13F, 4 PGS tested embryos, 1 normal
    5/14 FET: BFP. Beta #1: 123, Beta #2: 327, Beta #3: 854
    Cora arrived 1/23/15 via RCS!
  • I don't think any of us actually get over it, we bear the scars forever and I think it makes us all the more appreciative for every moment we have with our little one. 
    TTC since 1/2011
    DH 32 SA Only 3% Normal Forms, but good count good motility
    Me 32 DOR FSH 11.3, AFC 7, HSG normal
    5/28/13- IUI #1 50 mg Clomid BFN
    6/25/13 IUI #2 50 mg Clomid BFN
    7/27/13 IUI#3 50 mg Clomid BFN
    8/8/13 waiting to meet with the RE to discus IVF
    11/9/2013 IVF#1 canceled, only 1 follicle  :(
    12/26/2013 Starting Lupron for IVF#2
    1/21/2014 Retrieval but we still only had 1 follicle so only 1 egg. Fingers Crossed!!!
    2/5/2014 BFP!! Betas 39, 54, 217, 1681 Slow rising but this is the little egg that could :)
    2/19/2014 1st U/S at 6w1d showed us at 5w4d but yolk sac, gest. sac and the beginnings of a fetal pole identified. 
    2/26/2014 2nd U/S at 7w1d showed us at 6w4d and we saw a heartbeat!!! 133. RE says it's time to move to OB
    So far everything is looking good :)
    5/29/2014 It's a Girl!!!! :)
    7/6/2014 Failed my glucose tolerance tests, diabetic diet it is
    9/30/2014 Scheduled C-Section for Placenta Previa and she's perfect 

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  • lincoln79 said:

    I think of it like a death, and most have to grieve many times over for their loss.


    When I was teaching foster/adopt classes, we spoke at length about grief and loss. The module listed infertility as an "unexpected loss," much like the loss of a child or spouse, job layoff, cancer diagnosis, significant financial strife... (as opposed to an expected loss- loss of a parent in old age, children moving out of the house, death of a pet). People have a certain comfort level in helping others through expected losses since they are often relatable and widely discussed. The unexpected losses are often met with awkward silences and discomfort because people just don't know how to support someone going through the unimaginable.

    IF changed me and the way I look at others. While some of those changes are positive (more empathy, I'm much more patient with myself as a mother, I complain less about parenting difficulties), the vast majority of the changes are negative. My eternal optimism is gone and my family, who was pretty much the example of Resolve's "What not to say" list, really hurt me. I don't even speak to one of my siblings anymore because she was so cruel and unapologetic- she won't even acknowledge my sons' birthday and will not make plans to meet them. We isolated ourselves from people our own age and I put my career on hold through those 11 failed treatment cycles. If I had a time machine and the cure for IF, I would have wished to have had DS1 in 2010 and DS2 in 2012. Same children, just different circumstances. I don't spend my days thinking about IF or continuously grieving, but I do allow myself to feel sad and angry that we had to go through that struggle. It was an awful time in my life and, while I'm glad I survived, I don't ever want to feel that way again.

    TTC in 2009, Dx: Unexplained IF
    Three TI cycles (BFP...miscarriage), five IUI attempts and 2.5 IVF cycles later...BFP!!
    12dp5dt: 765; 15dp5dt: 1979; 17dp5dt: 3379...TWINS!!!!!
    Our perfect baby boys were born at 36w1d!! 








  • I'm actually way more "cured" than I ever expected. Maybe it's because we had twins and we never wanted more than 2 kids?? I'm forever done with IF treatment and it's so amazing to say that. Of course I will forever be infertile (I used DE so my ovaries never worked even once) but I can't imagine having any other babies than K&K. They would not be here if any of the embryos before them had stuck. So I guess it worked out the way it was meant to for me to get K&K. I'll always feel a connection to my IF sisters and roll my eyes at "easy to come by" pregnancies, people taking pregnancy for granted etc. I have a necklace that DH got me for Christmas that has 16 silver circles-- one for each embryo we transferred. K&K are 15&16. I always remember anniversaries-- when we cycle, when I had the m/c. It was 4 years of tears which I will always remember and I'll hug the girls a lot on those days. I never thought I'd get to this side and my bitterness is definitely subsiding.

    TTC #1 since 8/1/10; Me:41 and BRCA1+, DH:46
    DOR (FSH 24.3)/ terrible egg quality ; homozygous MTHFR c677t
    5 IUI's: 2/11 to 6/11 and 1/12= BFN
    OE IVF#1-4 8/11-6/12= all BFN
    DE IVF#1 11/12 bad embryos= BFN
    DE IVF #2 2/13 BFP/Beta hell: m/c 5w6d
    CFNBC 7 months, not doing well; decided on guarantee program at RBA w/frozen DE
    DE IVF #3 1/14  ET 4BB; BFP;M/C 5w1d, incomplete m/c; MVA extraction in ER 7w1d

    DE FET#1 ET 3/1714; BFP, beta 1 3/27= 197, beta 2 3/31= 1586, beta 3 4/7= 13879!!
    First u/s= Twins with HBs at 6w2d! We are Team Pink x 2!!

    K & K born 11/21/14 at 38wks 4 days

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  • Gregermis said:
    I don't think the emotional scarring will ever fully heal, but I'm definitely in a better place
    This.....When I had Maggie I thought I was cured.  Then a younger cousin (19) got pregnant....I was surprised by how much the news stung.  Two more "whoops" pregnancy's occurred and the sting was still pretty bad but not as bad as the first "accident".   So, the wound heals, but still leaves quite a scar...
    Me 35, DH 36
    TTC summer 2008
    Diagnose me. DOR, DH perfect
    IUI # 1 6/2010, BFN
    IUI # 2 8/2010, BFN
    IVF # 1 10/2010 Canceled poor response
    IVF 1.2 12/2010 BFP! mc 6 weeks 2 days
    Mental health break for 10 months
    IVF # 2 10/2011 BFN
    IVF # 3 5/2012 BFP! 10 eggs retrieved (best ever)
    7 fertilized transferred 3
    Beta #1 14dpo - 72, Beta #2 17dpo 145 Beta 3 20dpo 521
    First u/s June 15 saw HB 126 bpm missed m/c 7/5/12 10 weeks D&C 7/6/12
    IVF#4 ER 9/30 ET 10/3 Beta 10/16 BFFN. IVF #5 final with o/e. ER 1/21 only 1 retrieved, hoping my lonestar is the one. Beta #1 2/6/13 = 209.... please let this be it! Keep growing lonestar! Beta #2 2/8/13 - 586! , Beta #3 2/10/13 = 1898. First u/s perfect little heart beat at 116 bpm. Measure 6 weeks 1 day. EDD 10/14/13
    3/4/13 measuring right on track beautiful heartbeat 171 bpm, graduated from RE to OB... bittersweet.
    PAIF/SAIF always welcome! Its a girl! 

    Maggie Grace is here!  10/5/13... 8lbs 6 ounces of pure joy!

    TTC#2  No birth control since DD was born.  Getting ready to jump back in the saddle.  Weaning this month. RE
    appt scheduled 5/8.   Here we go again!

    IFV# 6.  10/27  6 retrieved 4 mature 3 fertilized.  2 made it to 3dt 10/30. 1"very pretty 8 cell" and 1 6 cell.  Beta
    11/13.   Please stick embies!!!!  We love you so much already! 11/12/14  POAS, BFP... beta tomorrow!
    11/13 beta #1  924!!!  2nd bet 11/15 1906, one more on 11/17 3rd & final beta 3430.  First u/s 12/5, 7w4d, 2 heartbeats,
    both measuring right on track....2nd u/s... all is well... both beans measuring right on track... released from RE... first
    appointment with MFM 1/5.  Looks like this is really happening!

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