Ugh. I hate that this is happening. Our board is already dying a slow death and now this. I don't really know if I feel like going over to the new boards. It would be really sad if everything collapses now. This was the only board in my whole time on TN/TB that I ever truly felt a part of
PCOS with long, irregular cycles First round of Clomid in May 2012= BFP #1, DD born January 2013 BFP #2 in January 2014, DS born September 2014
Ok, so when the previous shakedown happened, one of the things people applauded was that swear words were no longer banned (the funniest ones were that "magna cum laude" kept getting changed to "magna *** laude" or "Dick Cheney" was "*** Cheney".) And now they're taking that away again? Not that I swear, but it seems strange that they would reverse a decision that seemed to be really popular.
Ah well, in a previous GBCB, almost all of The Nest moved over to another forum. It worked out well, although I've sort of stopped posting over there just because my board fizzled out.
BFP1: DD1 born April 2011 at 34w1d via unplanned c/s due to HELLP, DVT 1 week PP
BFP2: 3/18/12, blighted ovum, natural m/c @ 7w4d BFP3: DD2 born Feb 2013 at 38w4d via unplanned RCS due to uterine dehiscence
I hope this doesn't fall apart. I'm a newer poster here so I'm not part of the FB group, but I do enjoy this group it's helpful to have and I'm not afraid to ask questions. I'm following July15 so I am going with them, but I like having this group to talk about Mac.
Well crap. I also hope this doesn't fall apart. I've been less active here lately (silly me, trying to read more books!), but I would miss it if everyone left. :-(
I read the new TOU and you can still curse (I think), you just can't curse AT people. But I find it odd that everyone would leave/be up in arms because you can't do that anymore. I get that some people are annoying or trolling, but then can't they just be ignored?
I see being upset about that. I was kind of thinking about the new TOU this morning. At the end of the day, TB/TN is a business. It's primary purpose is to make money. That's just how businesses work, even good-for-the-world businesses. And to make money, you need a steady stream of new cusotmers, even if you already have a solid customer base (ie, regular posters). You all know (I think) that I didn't stick around D14 because people started jumping all over me over a misunderstanding. If a lot of new people coming to the site, not knowing/understanding the culture, are feeling like this is not a positive or helpful place to be, they won't stay, and TB doesn't get the customer flow they want/need. Had D14 been my first experience, I wouldn't have come back either. I would assume that the money-making, site-growing perogative is more important than being completely transparent with its current users, especially since the goal is to attract new ones who don't know the difference.
It's not a criticism of TB, or a criticism of any of the boards. It's just business. Their MO isn't to create boards that fit the ideal of current users; it's to attract new users so they can continue to grow and thrive.
TBH, I like the new TOU. I like the idea of Feb13 being the norm as opposed to the unique. But I am very much in the "can't we all just get along and be nice to each other" camp, so take that for what you will. >:D<
I'd rather gouge my eyes out that only talk about my womb and spawn all day. I'm more than that, you know?
I get it - TB has good qualities and I've learned a lot about this new world of being a mother. But that has nothing to do with the powers that be continually changing the rules and IP banning people for vague reasons.
Banning because someone called a racist person a racist? That's not bullying, that's insane.
I pretty much agree with this. Random banning without warnings and for no particular reason is messed up. I won't go so far as to say the boards should be anarchy without any bans ever, but I think everyone should be free to say what they want to unless it gets out of hand (in which case, enter warnings and bannings). People should be allowed to disagree and say what they think.
PCOS with long, irregular cycles First round of Clomid in May 2012= BFP #1, DD born January 2013 BFP #2 in January 2014, DS born September 2014
@expatmama nailed it. Granted, I don't participate on Parenting at all, so I'm judging based on what other people are saying. But the bigger issue definitely seems to be the banning. I think if they'd allowed discourse/dissent over the new TOU, people would be less concerned. TB are totally within their rights to run the website as they see fit, but I think they're taking a big gamble by alienating a very active community of existing posters.
Sorry but the TOU is totally over the top. I agree with @luxannie all boards can see clique-ish until you actually jump in and start participating.
I have seen threads where I felt the snark level was over the top, but overall I appreciate the snarky posters. They keep the general ignorance level of these messages boards down. There is a reason we are here and not on BabyGaga. If people want nothing but unicorns farting rainbows, they can make their way over there.
the new TOU is kind of redic. I mean, I would consider myself a fairly non-controversial, non confrontational poster. There are so many rules, who could remember them all? I mean, even if I was new I would probably read the TOU and just say "forget it".
You GUISE.....this makes three different boards/forums/groups that I can talk to you lovely ladies at. Here, FB group and the place that shall not be named.
Shits confusing
Married: August 2008 DS born: February 2013 TTC #2: Nov. 14 Chemical pregnancy 09/16/15 BFP: 12/25/15 EDD: 09/04/16
I see being upset about that. I was kind of thinking about the new TOU this morning. At the end of the day, TB/TN is a business. It's primary purpose is to make money. That's just how businesses work, even good-for-the-world businesses. And to make money, you need a steady stream of new cusotmers, even if you already have a solid customer base (ie, regular posters). You all know (I think) that I didn't stick around D14 because people started jumping all over me over a misunderstanding. If a lot of new people coming to the site, not knowing/understanding the culture, are feeling like this is not a positive or helpful place to be, they won't stay, and TB doesn't get the customer flow they want/need. Had D14 been my first experience, I wouldn't have come back either. I would assume that the money-making, site-growing perogative is more important than being completely transparent with its current users, especially since the goal is to attract new ones who don't know the difference.
It's not a criticism of TB, or a criticism of any of the boards. It's just business. Their MO isn't to create boards that fit the ideal of current users; it's to attract new users so they can continue to grow and thrive.
TBH, I like the new TOU. I like the idea of Feb13 being the norm as opposed to the unique. But I am very much in the "can't we all just get along and be nice to each other" camp, so take that for what you will. >:D<
I'll come out of lurkdom to agree with you (I came back to check on TB when I got a BFP) it seems like everyone forgets that they are on the board of a company that runs it. They own the site, they make the rules. Maybe they didn't go about it the right way, but I hardly see this as "it needs to be puppies and rainbows". I know everyone has a hard on for Parenting, but that board wasn't even about parenting anymore. It was a serious clique, and if you weren't in in all the inside jokes, it made no sense. I for one don't mind that they changed the rules and curious to see how it all shakes out.
Meh. I will go wherever ya'll go. I like our posters that post on Parenting but in general I find that board very off-putting which sucks because it would be nice to have a place to discuss parenting issues.
I want the new board location por favor. Unless I am not allowed now from my possibly UO
We are so thankful that our second daughter, Lillian Elizabeth "Lily", was born healthy and happy on February 11, 2013. We love her to pieces.
We lost our first daughter, Hannah Grace on May 4, 2011. She was buried on May 14 during a beautiful service at my home church. We are grateful that if she could not be here with us, that she is healed and whole with the Lord. We look forward to the day when we will get to meet her. We love her so much.
So there's a bit of :tin foil hats: going on, and a whole lot of valid concerns.
Yes, you can't swear AT someone. I don't think anyone really cares about that. It's more about a culture being shaped and molded.
Bump Jackie hadn't been working here for months, but someone else was using her user name. Then a new admin came on to say "hi, help me help you" Mods all worked to give feedback and suggestions so that the TOU could be revised to bring clarity as to what was allowed and what wasn't. Many users on many boards had issue with bannings happening arbitrarily and at the liberty of what a particular mod deemed was ok. The rules were unclear, leaving humans to interpret.
Rather than consider the feedback from Parenting mods, all were banned and then the new rules rolled out.
People are angry about the secrecy. People are angry about being treated like toddlers. People are angry about grudges.
It's my understanding that events like this have happened a number of times, for a number of years, as the powers that be work to create these boards to fit their ideal. NOT the ideal of the users.
But it should tell you something that there are a lot of different types of people in the world, but only a few welcome viewpoints on the parenting board. The "ideal of the user" is skewed because most people with differing opinions have been run off. I would love actual real parenting and other adult discussion and debate....where multiple views were welcome. I like our posters that post there a lot and am not talking about them, but I think an overhaul of that board is long overdue. And the reactions I have briefly read over there are straight up crazy cakes in some cases. Too. Much. Free. Time.
We are so thankful that our second daughter, Lillian Elizabeth "Lily", was born healthy and happy on February 11, 2013. We love her to pieces.
We lost our first daughter, Hannah Grace on May 4, 2011. She was buried on May 14 during a beautiful service at my home church. We are grateful that if she could not be here with us, that she is healed and whole with the Lord. We look forward to the day when we will get to meet her. We love her so much.
I see being upset about that. I was kind of thinking about the new TOU this morning. At the end of the day, TB/TN is a business. It's primary purpose is to make money. That's just how businesses work, even good-for-the-world businesses. And to make money, you need a steady stream of new cusotmers, even if you already have a solid customer base (ie, regular posters). You all know (I think) that I didn't stick around D14 because people started jumping all over me over a misunderstanding. If a lot of new people coming to the site, not knowing/understanding the culture, are feeling like this is not a positive or helpful place to be, they won't stay, and TB doesn't get the customer flow they want/need. Had D14 been my first experience, I wouldn't have come back either. I would assume that the money-making, site-growing perogative is more important than being completely transparent with its current users, especially since the goal is to attract new ones who don't know the difference.
It's not a criticism of TB, or a criticism of any of the boards. It's just business. Their MO isn't to create boards that fit the ideal of current users; it's to attract new users so they can continue to grow and thrive.
TBH, I like the new TOU. I like the idea of Feb13 being the norm as opposed to the unique. But I am very much in the "can't we all just get along and be nice to each other" camp, so take that for what you will. >:D<
I'll come out of lurkdom to agree with you (I came back to check on TB when I got a BFP) it seems like everyone forgets that they are on the board of a company that runs it. They own the site, they make the rules. Maybe they didn't go about it the right way, but I hardly see this as "it needs to be puppies and rainbows". I know everyone has a hard on for Parenting, but that board wasn't even about parenting anymore. It was a serious clique, and if you weren't in in all the inside jokes, it made no sense. I for one don't mind that they changed the rules and curious to see how it all shakes out.
I like that you came back to check on the group of internet losers here. Or did you forget that you called us that? Let me remind you of your GBCB post:
"Sorry
I'm not cool enough to be the "it girls" on an INTERNET CHAT BOARD.
Was checking one last time before I deleted my quick link. I'd rather be
a be a bitch than continue to be a loser. Thanks you for the glass
shatter moment and showing me what's important - real life. Mine is
pretty awesome and i need to start being in it more instead of looking
here for...I don't know what I was here looking for. Not
sure why I ever considered this group some kind of strange 'friends.'
Never were, never would be. I enjoy my online privacy too much and
never had a desire to meet outside of this space.
I will enjoy my renovations, thanks. Enjoy being the popular kids on the Interwebs."
Seriously? Do we really want to start this again?! Peanut was not the only poster on that thread who was nasty to another poster if I recall correctly.
We are so thankful that our second daughter, Lillian Elizabeth "Lily", was born healthy and happy on February 11, 2013. We love her to pieces.
We lost our first daughter, Hannah Grace on May 4, 2011. She was buried on May 14 during a beautiful service at my home church. We are grateful that if she could not be here with us, that she is healed and whole with the Lord. We look forward to the day when we will get to meet her. We love her so much.
So there's a bit of :tin foil hats: going on, and a whole lot of valid concerns.
Yes, you can't swear AT someone. I don't think anyone really cares about that. It's more about a culture being shaped and molded.
Bump Jackie hadn't been working here for months, but someone else was using her user name. Then a new admin came on to say "hi, help me help you" Mods all worked to give feedback and suggestions so that the TOU could be revised to bring clarity as to what was allowed and what wasn't. Many users on many boards had issue with bannings happening arbitrarily and at the liberty of what a particular mod deemed was ok. The rules were unclear, leaving humans to interpret.
Rather than consider the feedback from Parenting mods, all were banned and then the new rules rolled out.
People are angry about the secrecy. People are angry about being treated like toddlers. People are angry about grudges.
It's my understanding that events like this have happened a number of times, for a number of years, as the powers that be work to create these boards to fit their ideal. NOT the ideal of the users.
But it should tell you something that there are a lot of different types of people in the world, but only a few welcome viewpoints on the parenting board. The "ideal of the user" is skewed because most people with differing opinions have been run off. I would love actual real parenting and other adult discussion and debate....where multiple views were welcome. I like our posters that post there a lot and am not talking about them, but I think an overhaul of that board is long overdue. And the reactions I have briefly read over there are straight up crazy cakes in some cases. Too. Much. Free. Time.
You want......a board where you can discuss.....parenting topics? So.........what is this, then? This isn't a board where you can discuss parenting topics? There are about 397 boards on The Bump you mean to tell me you take issue with finding ONE of them off-putting because of the organically created board culture?
Listen, The Bump trying to so specifically tailor the culture of their boards is akin to McDonald's suddenly saying, I don't know, they don't want Jewish people to eat there anymore. Or, well, you can still eat here, but we reserve the right to kick you out with no warning and probably without a valid reason. No self respecting company would do something like that.
I think part of the difference here is that some people use the bump for more social interaction and some (even "regs") use it more for informational purposes and specifically to discuss their kids/family. They get their shits and giggles elsewhere (for the most part) and come here for the parenting/kid stuff. For the ladder, I think it's harder to understand the board culture on parenting or similar boards. Nothing wrong with either, just something I've noticed.
I am firmly in the camp that there aren't bullies, by and large, anywhere on the bump.
But I am also firmly in the camp that someone who posts about stupid ass life decisions, asks for advice, and the gives a laundry list of "yeah buts" deserves a bit of flaming. For the good of mankind.
STUCK in the box.
Yes. I have always firmly been in this camp. But then seeing how Peanut tried to throw another member's loss in her face on the Sept. '15 board reminded me. The only true bullies are those who try to ridicule another woman for her loss. That deserves the biggest WOOF of all time.
draeray
member
Re: Holy GBCB on the Parenting board
First round of Clomid in May 2012= BFP #1, DD born January 2013
BFP #2 in January 2014, DS born September 2014
BFP1: DD1 born April 2011 at 34w1d via unplanned c/s due to HELLP, DVT 1 week PP
BFP3: DD2 born Feb 2013 at 38w4d via unplanned RCS due to uterine dehiscence
I love our FB group too.
Edit: Nevermind...found said info on FB group
DS born: February 2013
TTC #2: Nov. 14
Chemical pregnancy 09/16/15
BFP: 12/25/15 EDD: 09/04/16
@singingsea check your pm's
I'm going to stick a toe in...but just a toe.
I read the new TOU and you can still curse (I think), you just can't curse AT people. But I find it odd that everyone would leave/be up in arms because you can't do that anymore. I get that some people are annoying or trolling, but then can't they just be ignored?
I see being upset about that. I was kind of thinking about the new TOU this morning. At the end of the day, TB/TN is a business. It's primary purpose is to make money. That's just how businesses work, even good-for-the-world businesses. And to make money, you need a steady stream of new cusotmers, even if you already have a solid customer base (ie, regular posters). You all know (I think) that I didn't stick around D14 because people started jumping all over me over a misunderstanding. If a lot of new people coming to the site, not knowing/understanding the culture, are feeling like this is not a positive or helpful place to be, they won't stay, and TB doesn't get the customer flow they want/need. Had D14 been my first experience, I wouldn't have come back either. I would assume that the money-making, site-growing perogative is more important than being completely transparent with its current users, especially since the goal is to attract new ones who don't know the difference.
It's not a criticism of TB, or a criticism of any of the boards. It's just business. Their MO isn't to create boards that fit the ideal of current users; it's to attract new users so they can continue to grow and thrive.
TBH, I like the new TOU. I like the idea of Feb13 being the norm as opposed to the unique. But I am very much in the "can't we all just get along and be nice to each other" camp, so take that for what you will. >:D<
I think I too will hang out in both places and see how it goes. I was excited to set up a new name over there though!
I like cookies.
First round of Clomid in May 2012= BFP #1, DD born January 2013
BFP #2 in January 2014, DS born September 2014
Sorry but the TOU is totally over the top. I agree with @luxannie all boards can see clique-ish until you actually jump in and start participating.
I have seen threads where I felt the snark level was over the top, but overall I appreciate the snarky posters. They keep the general ignorance level of these messages boards down. There is a reason we are here and not on BabyGaga. If people want nothing but unicorns farting rainbows, they can make their way over there.
I like cookies.
Shits confusing
DS born: February 2013
TTC #2: Nov. 14
Chemical pregnancy 09/16/15
BFP: 12/25/15 EDD: 09/04/16
ETA: I started on the Nest in 2004! Whoa
DS1: Quinn - 10.22.10 and DS2: Cole - 01.18.13
In case anyone is into that.
Or wants to stay away from it.
Carry on.
I like cookies.
We are so thankful that our second daughter, Lillian Elizabeth "Lily", was born healthy and happy on February 11, 2013. We love her to pieces.
We lost our first daughter, Hannah Grace on May 4, 2011. She was buried on May 14 during a beautiful service at my home church. We are grateful that if she could not be here with us, that she is healed and whole with the Lord. We look forward to the day when we will get to meet her. We love her so much.
But it should tell you something that there are a lot of different types of people in the world, but only a few welcome viewpoints on the parenting board. The "ideal of the user" is skewed because most people with differing opinions have been run off. I would love actual real parenting and other adult discussion and debate....where multiple views were welcome. I like our posters that post there a lot and am not talking about them, but I think an overhaul of that board is long overdue. And the reactions I have briefly read over there are straight up crazy cakes in some cases. Too. Much. Free. Time.
We are so thankful that our second daughter, Lillian Elizabeth "Lily", was born healthy and happy on February 11, 2013. We love her to pieces.
We lost our first daughter, Hannah Grace on May 4, 2011. She was buried on May 14 during a beautiful service at my home church. We are grateful that if she could not be here with us, that she is healed and whole with the Lord. We look forward to the day when we will get to meet her. We love her so much.
Seriously? Do we really want to start this again?! Peanut was not the only poster on that thread who was nasty to another poster if I recall correctly.
We are so thankful that our second daughter, Lillian Elizabeth "Lily", was born healthy and happy on February 11, 2013. We love her to pieces.
We lost our first daughter, Hannah Grace on May 4, 2011. She was buried on May 14 during a beautiful service at my home church. We are grateful that if she could not be here with us, that she is healed and whole with the Lord. We look forward to the day when we will get to meet her. We love her so much.
Edit: words hard
LMAO, the Foam People live on!