And now let's talk about pacifiers...

Emerald27

Holy shit. I started reading and stopped at LO not eating for 10 hours. No wonder child needs pacifier so much. She's starving to death.

golfingdarwinfish

And just to clarify my analogy in the event anyone was offended, it meant that the breast is used to provide comfort, and that similarly a pacifier can do the same for babies who do not BF.  I wasn't in anyway knocking BFing or offering the breast to soothe.  

MrsSinner402

Emerald27 said:

Holy shit. I started reading and stopped at LO not eating for 10 hours. No wonder child needs pacifier so much. She's starving to death.

DD is 3 months old and STTN. Her last bottle is around 9pm and she eats again at 7am. She's gaining weight fine as far as I know. She was 10lb6oz on Dec 2nd and about 12lbs earlier this week. I hope I'm not starving my child.

Emerald27

Maybe I didn't read closely enough. Sorry if I misunderstood - I'll go back.

I thought OP said her baby was waking every 45 mins crying, and she was replacing the pacifier and not feeding LO for 10 hours...

2goingon3

Emerald27 said:

Holy shit. I started reading and stopped at LO not eating for 10 hours. No wonder child needs pacifier so much. She's starving to death.

The baby in question is formula fed from what I gathered.
FF babies can often go 10 hours without eating, but they don't generally wake up during that time. If they wake up at this age it's usually because they're hungry. Mine's 11weeks, 85th percentile for weight and STTN from about 9pm to 6:30-7am. But he doesn't wake up and if he does, it's cause he needs a bottle, not a pacifier.

2goingon3

Emerald27 said:

Maybe I didn't read closely enough. Sorry if I misunderstood - I'll go back.

I thought OP said her baby was waking every 45 mins crying, and she was replacing the pacifier and not feeding LO for 10 hours...

It's the last 3 hours that the baby is waking up every 45mins and wanting the paci.

MrsSinner402

Emerald27 said:

Maybe I didn't read closely enough. Sorry if I misunderstood - I'll go back.

I thought OP said her baby was waking every 45 mins crying, and she was replacing the pacifier and not feeding LO for 10 hours...

DD doesnt actually wake up and cry but she starts grunting and fussing a bit in her sleep. I pop in her paci and she stops. Now you've got me all paranoid that I'm starving her.

Klavanga74

I'm back - WOW!  Just to clarify...baby was consistently sleeping for about 7 hours, waking, being offered a bottle and really not taking it but wanting the paci then going back to sleep immediately for three hours.  That went on for 2 1/2 weeks and it was glorious, I'm not gonna lie.  Then a couple of nights ago she was offered the food, didn't want it, but wanted the paci every 45 minutes from midnight until 5:30 a.m.  The bottle was offered other times, but she didn't finally take it and drink until 5:30. 

I do think that it was a combo of missing two doses of zantac in three days.  Just to clarify that...it has to be given (according to my ped and they may all say different things) three times a day, ideally at the same time and 20 minutes before a meal.  I missed the time window, in which case I opted to wait until the next (third dose) time to give it to her.  Apparently this is not the way to go and it may have negatively affected her and she was waking to suck, which gives her relief.  

Last night she went down without the paci (and no crying) at 8:30, not a peep until 3:30 a.m. at which time she drank her whole 3 ounces and cried for more, which she was promptly given.  There is no withholding of food going on.  We let her go 10 hours without eating if she refuses the food and because she's gained so well, the pediatrician has no qualms.  

Klavanga74

MrsSinner402 said:

Maybe I didn't read closely enough. Sorry if I misunderstood - I'll go back. I thought OP said her baby was waking every 45 mins crying, and she was replacing the pacifier and not feeding LO for 10 hours...

DD doesnt actually wake up and cry but she starts grunting and fussing a bit in her sleep. I pop in her paci and she stops. Now you've got me all paranoid that I'm starving her.

This is exactly what we were doing, and then all of a sudden it turned into so many times in such a short period of time and no interest in her bottle.  If she goes back to sleep, you aren't starving her.  Last night, I rocked LO for a few minutes to see if she'd settle and she didn't and totally let me know that she was hungry.  I think that your LO wouldn't settle if she was really hungry.  

Emerald27

MrsSinner402 said:

Emerald27 said:

Maybe I didn't read closely enough. Sorry if I misunderstood - I'll go back.

I thought OP said her baby was waking every 45 mins crying, and she was replacing the pacifier and not feeding LO for 10 hours...

DD doesnt actually wake up and cry but she starts grunting and fussing a bit in her sleep. I pop in her paci and she stops. Now you've got me all paranoid that I'm starving her.

Please don't be paranoid. I'm sorry. Having a bad day. If LO takes the paci and goes right back to sleep, and her weight gain is good, she's fine. If she takes the paci but wakes again a little while later, she's probably hungry.

I really didn't mean to be so insensitive. Also, I know nearly nothing about FF babies and sleep.

pnwlover12

Wow WTF happened @ishknits‌? You were seeming to fit in and participate really well...now it just seems like you've been holding back to unleash all your ill feelings on @golfingdarwinfish‌.

You haven't been around until recently, so you missed a lot of the snark and hotly debated topics we had earlier on. This thread was relatively tame, even if some of us disliked the use of the word crutch. We are all grown women, entitled to our opinions. We don't have to sugar coat everything.

I suggest you chill the fuck out, and you'll enjoy this community a lot more.

golfingdarwinfish

Cantisa said:

Is @ishknits‌ going for a jalopy esque thing? .... Oh wait, that's right she wasn't here for that!!!!! -Signed one of the ones that LOLs at @golfingdarwinfish‌

@cantisa

MrsSinner402

Kaylajade8911 said:

Maybe it IS Jalopy...

ZOMG stop with this! Jalopy is not returning. :P

Unknown

This content has been removed.

bumpuser10309732

El oh el! & have some pizza! Shit.

swise22

MrsSinner402 said:

Holy shit. I started reading and stopped at LO not eating for 10 hours. No wonder child needs pacifier so much. She's starving to death.

DD is 3 months old and STTN. Her last bottle is around 9pm and she eats again at 7am. She's gaining weight fine as far as I know. She was 10lb6oz on Dec 2nd and about 12lbs earlier this week. I hope I'm not starving my child.

I became paranoid reading this too! DS sleeps and eats like your LO which has me worried now I'm not feeding him enough. He eats a ton during the day though and never wakes up crying. Just grunts sometimes and falls right back asleep with the paci.

ETA: random post copied at beginning

Emerald27

Ack! I don't mean to make you wonderful ladies paranoid!!! I thought she was withholding food from a hungry baby. That's what my frazzled self read in the OP. I've been back through and I understand that that's not the case.

If your baby is comfy and happy and gaining well and has great diaper output then baby is getting plenty of food and all is well. She can sleep as long as she likes (within reason). Just pay attention to her cues, trust your instincts and you'll be set.

And regarding the crutch issue:

Every person, regardless of age, has sleep associations. They're the normal conditions required for you to fall asleep. Temp just right, blankets a certain way (one leg out, right??), fan running, one last chapter of that book or game of candy crush. It's HARD to fall asleep without our usual sleep associations. Seriously, we all have them.

Nursing to sleep, rocking to sleep, singing to sleep or taking a paci; all normal infant sleep associations. None are bad. None are crutches. But if one doesn't work for your family, you can gently transition away from that sleep association and replace it with another. BUT there will always be sleep associations. It's a normal and natural part of human life.

It can help a lot to understand that infant sleep patterns (and child, adolescent, adult, and elderly for that matter) are vastly different. A great book that explains infant sleep and sleep at other life stages, is Sweet Dreams. It really helps give parents reasonable expectations for their child's sleep at every age, and also has some tips for good sleep. And it's gentle:

https://www.amazon.com/Sweet-Dreams-Pediatricians-Secrets-Nights/dp/B005M4Z3KG

Unknown

This content has been removed.

Emerald27

dredford said:

@Emerald27‌ You are seriously the nicest of nice. For reals.

Awe, Thank you.

jdanczyk

we use a paci since day 1 (my DD is 12 weeks old) - i know what you mean about it being annoying to pop it back in during the night, we use some homemade pacifier clips that help her get it in herself.  She has learned to grab the ribbon and pull it towards her, she then can pop it back in her mouth with her hand/arm.  -- just make sure if you use a ribbon/clip it's clipped low enough to not get wrapped around their necks! 
Anyway, thats my advice, use a clip and it helps them figure out how to do it on their own.
Here is a pic of her ribbon clipped to her pants. (she is sitting on the pacifier)

Klavanga74

jdanczyk...she's a smart cookie to have figured out how to get that thing in!  I'm not sure if my LO can do it yet, but it's worth a try.  She's also really chowing down on her hands these days, but I don't think I can unswaddle her yet for sleeping because the flailing...oh, the flailing!!  

jdanczyk

Klavanga74 said:

jdanczyk...she's a smart cookie to have figured out how to get that thing in!  I'm not sure if my LO can do it yet, but it's worth a try.  She's also really chowing down on her hands these days, but I don't think I can unswaddle her yet for sleeping because the flailing...oh, the flailing!!  

yes the flailing....what i've done for that is let her sleep on my chest for a while (in a sleep sack), once she hits that deep sleep i move her into her pnp and the flailing stops by then!