Trouble TTC

Husband's sperm analysis...help

musicsmysoulmusicsmysoul member
edited December 2014 in Trouble TTC
Hi ladies,

After a year of TTC, my husband got a sperm analysis. I was kind of irritated that the doctor did not take the time to explain the results and had his admin do it. The end result: we're left feeling confused and defeated. He does have an appointment with a urologist in a month but for the time being, can anyone enlighten me with these results? Does this mean we'd have difficulty conceiving naturally w/out treatments like IVF? 

Can any of these things be fixed naturally? Any info would be a huge help, as we're both feeling really down. Thanks so much....

Sperm motility: 36

Progressive motility: 0

Sperm count: 6.1 (does this mean in the millions)

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Re: Husband's sperm analysis...help

  • Hey there. I'm sorry that you and your husband are feeling down. I'm certainly no expert on male factor infertility (there are other ladies here who I'm sure can jump in on that), but from what I know, anything less than 20 million is low count, and my clinic likes to see over 65 percent motility. As far as your options moving forward, it's great that your husband has an appointment with a urologist. Some people try natural remedies such as FertilAid supplements, but the urologist will be able to discuss any underlying issues that could be causing the low numbers (be it low testosterone, an issue with the testicles, etc) and hopefully have some suggestions for how to improve his numbers.

    Another thing I will definitely say is that if you have been trying for a year with no success, it's time to get yourself and your husband to a reproductive endocrinologist (RE). They will do a lot of testing on you as well to make sure that your tubes are open, that you are ovulating, and that your hormone levels are okay. They will also be the ones to advise on treatment options such as IUI or possibly IVF depending on their findings and the reports from the urologist.

    I know this is a very frustrating and scary process, but taking the step of seeing an RE will help you get answers and come up with a game plan. And if you stick around here, you will get some great support and knowledge from the ladies in this community. Good luck!

    Me: 27 DH: 35

    TTC #1 Since July 2013

    Started RE Testing July 2014

    2 HSG tests: Right tube is blocked, possible endo.

    TSH elevated, started Synthroid 25 mg daily.

    October, 2014: Femara 5 mg + TI ---> 3 follies on blocked tube side ---> BFN

    November, 2014: Femara + Ovidrel + IUI#1--2 follies (on the good side), 46 mil. motile sperm=BFN

    Nov-Dec 2014: Femara + Ovidrel + IUI #2 (1 follie, 76 mil. motile sperm) + Endometrin=BFN

    January, 2014: Femara + Ovidrel + IUI #3 (1 follie, 38 mil. motile sperm)=???

    New RE appt. scheduled for 1/14.


    3T January Siggy Challenge: New Years Resolutions

    Mine: Lose the weight I put on from booze and cookies over Christmas.

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  • Thank you so much for your kind response... I appreciate it. I guess my next question is... do we see a urologist AND a reproductive endocrongolist at the same time?  One before the other?
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  • My DH had his first analysis done thru the hospital outpatient center instead of one that specializes in Fertility, in which case was thru the RE. Most RE's have a Urologist they recommend since they specialize in Infertility. You can see both at the same time.
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    3T January Siggy Challenge: New Years Resolutions 
    TTC since 10/2010 (Rhythm method since 2007)

    Me (33) Sept 2012 - DX Low ovulation/progesterone, Luteal Phase Defect. HSG 5/2012: both tubes are open, cervix and lining look good;
    September 2014 DX Hashimoto's; November 2014: PCOS IR

    ***
    DH (37) Sept 2012 SA Normal; October 2014 Mild MFI count 42 Million, Motility 36%, Morphology 2%. Clomid 50mg,
    ***
    2004 Cyrosurgery, LEEP
    May 2012 - HSG Clear; June 2012 - Appointment with RE
    July 2012 - October 2012 - Clomid 50mg W/ TI & Progesterone 3 mature follicles- BFN
    January 2013 IUI #1 (900,000 post wash) Clomid 50mg, TI & Progesterone 2 mature follicles - BFN
    February 2013 IUI #2 (1.3 Mil post wash) Clomid 50mg, TI & Progesterone 4 mature follicles - BFN
    March 2013 IUI #1-3 (2.5 mil post wash) Clomid 50mg, Baby Aspirin (lining thinned) TI & Progesterone - 2 mature follicles BFN
    April 2013 Benched due to cyst, May 2013 WTF appointment
    June 2013 DH SA mild MFI break for 2 months to re-test; August 2013 - DH SA 36 Mil count, 36% Motility, Morp 2%
    September - December 2013 - Mental sanity Break
    January 2014 - IUI #4 switches to natural due to scheduling conflict Femara TI & Progesterone - 1 mature follicle - BFN
    May 2014-June 2014 - DH Appointment w/ Urologist to check Bi-lateral Varicocele; 2nd opinion w/ another urologist - bi-lateral varicocele dx is slight no surgery
    July 2014 DH starts clomid 25mg daily SA 53.8 Mil count, Motility 37%, Morph 3%;
    September 2014 DH Repeat SA after being on clomid for 3 months 42 Mil Count, Motility 36%, Morph 2%
    October 2014 Me: Hashimoto's DX, DH taken off clomid;
    November 2014 Me: new RE PCOS IR Diagnosis
    December 2014: IUI #4 Follitism 75iu 7 days, TI, IUI & Progesterone, BFMFN

    January 2015: IUI #5
    Gonal-F 75iu 7 days, TI, IUI & Progesterone, Another BFMFN onto IUI #6
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  • BunnyBerryBunnyBerry member
    edited December 2014
    That looks very similar to my DH. He has 35-70% motility (depends on the day - that's why they always need a repeat SA) and 0% progressive motility. Our numbers tend to be higher, but if you have 6 mil/mL, then there's a good chance you'd have nice strong numbers post-wash if you do IUI (by using all the sperm from all his mLs and concentrating them into 0.5mL for insemination). [Edited to clarify: Just wanted to point out why I think you don't automatically have to think IVF due to that SA...there are possible treatments for the low #s, plus our RE decided the #s were good enough that it was medically worth doing 3 IUIs.]

    Yes, you'll keep seeing the RE while working with a urologist. The uro is the expert on the guy side, and he'll inform the RE of his recommendations. For example, our uro put DH on meds and then told our RE when he recommended it was worth it to continue treatment, giving the meds enough time to kick in.
    January 3T Siggy Challenge - New Year's Resolutions
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    Me (29), DH (30) TTC actively 54 55+ cycles | All BFNs
    MFI (low everything) | Endo Stage 1 & Stenotic Cervix (treated) | PCO
    Married - July 2008 | Started TTC - Jan 2009RE Visit #1 - Mar 2014 
    IUI #1 ICI #1 - June | IUI #1.1 Laparoscopy - Aug
    IUIs #1.2, 2, 3 - Sept, Oct, Nov (Letrozole) - BFNs 
    IUI #4 - Dec (Bravelle) | IUI #5 - Dec/Jan (Bravelle) - 5 follies + TI - BFNs
    IUI #5.1 - Jan (Bravelle) Cancelled 
    Planning to start IVF in March!
    ***All Welcome***
  • @musicsmysoul I second getting them to explain the SA results to you, even though it sounds like you'll be going to a Urologist (which hopefully will be able to help with any issues) - my DH and I didn't fully understand his SA for months until a new RE told us he had a morphology issue.  We were told everything is great, because that clinic only care about motility and numbers.  You deserve to be informed about your decision, and it could really change the game for your fertility!

    GL!!
    ***everyone is welcome***
    Me: 31 (PCOS) ; DH: 30 (Low Morph 1% Completely Normal!)

    Off BC - Dec 2012
    Jan 2014: Letrozole, 2.5mg
    Feb-Mar 2014: Letrozole, 2.5mg - no response, stair-stepped clomid and responded
    Mar-Apr 2014:  Letrozole, 5mg
    May 2014: Natural Cycle (45 day cycle)
    Jun-Jul 2014: Gonal-F/Ovidrel - over responded/cancelled
    Jul-Aug 2014: Gonal-F/Ovidrel - 1 Follie, BFN
    Aug-Sep 2014: Gonal-F/Ovidrel - over responded/cancelled
    Oct-Dec 2014:  Natural cycle - started Metformin November 3 (67 day cycle)
    Dec 2014:  Natural Cycle on Met (34 day cycle)
    Jan 2015: Letrozole/Gonal F/HCG - IUI#1

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  • Thank you ladies.... all of your info has been so extremely helpful!
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  • This is a random question and  I know it depends on insurance, but do you typically need a referral to see a RE? Can we get one from my husband's urologist or does it strictly have to come from my OBGYN? 
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  • My insurance company didn't require a referral but you need to call yours to find out for sure. I still asked my OBGYN though, because I felt like she would have good input as far as recommendations for who to see.

    Me: 27 DH: 35

    TTC #1 Since July 2013

    Started RE Testing July 2014

    2 HSG tests: Right tube is blocked, possible endo.

    TSH elevated, started Synthroid 25 mg daily.

    October, 2014: Femara 5 mg + TI ---> 3 follies on blocked tube side ---> BFN

    November, 2014: Femara + Ovidrel + IUI#1--2 follies (on the good side), 46 mil. motile sperm=BFN

    Nov-Dec 2014: Femara + Ovidrel + IUI #2 (1 follie, 76 mil. motile sperm) + Endometrin=BFN

    January, 2014: Femara + Ovidrel + IUI #3 (1 follie, 38 mil. motile sperm)=???

    New RE appt. scheduled for 1/14.


    3T January Siggy Challenge: New Years Resolutions

    Mine: Lose the weight I put on from booze and cookies over Christmas.

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  • I am sorry you and YH are going through this. I can relate to feeling completely baffled by SA results. We have severe MFI, and the way we found out was a phone call from a random nurse who had no knowledge or experience with abnormal SA results. It was devastating and frustrating and then devastating again. Basically, the worst sandwich topped off with a side of suckiness.

    You've gotten some really good advice here, and like everyone has said the next step is a urologist and an RE. Once you have a treatment plan, things will not seem quite as insurmountable. I did not need a referral, but then again, I am OOP so that probably makes a difference. Best of luck!
    ****SIGGY WARNING****

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    TTC since May 2013

    Me: 31, blocked tube
    DH: 35, azoospermia :(
    IUI #1 (50 mg Clomid, Ovidrel) on 9/7/2014: BFN
    IUI #2 (100 mg Clomid, Ovidrel) on 10/3/2014:
    BFN
    IUI #3 (100 mg Clomid, Ovidrel, Estradiol) on 11/1/2014: BFN
    First RE appt. on 11/11/2014
    November 2014: Benched due to cyst :(
    IUI #4 (5 mg Letrozole, Follistim, Ovidrel, Crinone) on 12/26/2014: BFP!!!
    Beta 1 (1/9/2015): 292     Beta 2 (1/12/2015): 843


  • Hi ladies,
    Just an update --- my husband went to see a urologist today and will be getting several tests (another analysis, blood test for hormone levels and a testicular ultrasound).

    One thing that kind of rubbed me the wrong way was that when my husband brought up all the lifestyle changes he's making, quitting alcohol, taking supplements, etc, the doctor just scoffed. He said nothing could change his count....vitamins won't help and cutting alcohol wouldn't make a big enough impact. Seriously? I was a bit shocked... is that true? I feel like EVERYTHING I've read says the opposite... 
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  • Our uro recommended vitamins and said that diet and alcohol definitely had an effect. He wanted my Dh to have no more than 4 drinks a week. He seemed to think that was pretty important.

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    TTC #1 January 2009
    January 2010 SA results: Count 16 million, Motility 40%, Morphology 2%
    January 2010- Surprise BFP! DS born 10/1/2010 :)
    January 2013 TTC #2
    September 2013 Repeat SA: Count= 1.7 million, Motility= 24%, Morphology= 2%
    November 6th 1st Appointment with RE: diagnosed with severe MFI
    Testing to try to determine a cause & possible treatment for MFI
    CD 3 blood work for me. RE does not want to repeat my HSG/lap at this point,
    but may want to before moving forward with any fertility treatments.
    After seeing the uro, DH is currently taking lots of supplements and clomid to try to boost his count. We will have a repeat SA in February to see if it works.
    Follow up SA numbers are: Count= 4 million, Motility= 40%, Morphology= 1%
    Uro wants us to have another follow up SA 5/9 to see if we see further improvement than we are back to the RE to make a game plan.

    SA 5/9/2014 Count: 12 Million, Motility: 60%, and Morphology 2%. We will be doing iui #1 in late June

    IUI #1 6/28 clomid + ovidrel, post wash count 3 million total sperm= BFN

    IUI # 2 7/21 clomid+ ovidrel. post wash count 900,000 total sperm= BFN

    IVF planned for early November- cancelled due to cyst

    December IVF #1- 22 eggs, 20 mature,16 fertilized

    12/9 Transferred 1 4AA Blast, 6 frosties


    *****Everyone is welcome******

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