I'm going Wednesday to talk to my dr about our plan going foward. He has been very passive when I try to ask about more testing.
He said that he is open to a PGD discussion. Also I am going to have an endometrial biopsy before my next FET. I have 6 embryos and I want to know that other than the biopsy is there any other testing or a different protocol I can ask him about? Anything different that can be done in a FET?
The only "issue" we have had is on our first retrieval, only 1 embryo made it to an early blast, the others arrested on day 3. Our second fresh cycle we did a 3 day transfer and froze the rest on that same day.
My Dr didn't seem too concerned about it but i certainly was.
Any suggestions for questions to ask are very appriciated it.
I don't have much experience with FET, so I don't really have any advice for that. It looks like you are "unexplained" what testing have you had? Right now we are focusing on getting as much testing as we can before doing another cycle. I want to make sure we have identified all of the possible issues (and hopefully treat them) before doing another cycle.
DH (32): SA is ok, slightly low morph, normal SCSA Me (32): Slightly low progesterone, hostile CM, carrier for CF, Moderately high NKC, High TNFa, heterozyogous mutated Factor XIII, and +APA
October 2012-May 2014: 4 failed IUIs, 3 failed IVFs, and 1 failed FETw/donor embryos
November 2014: IVF w/ICSI #4 Agonist/Antagonist with EPP and Prednisone, Baby Aspirin, Lovenox, and IVIG for immune issues. Converted to freeze all due to lining issues. 2 blasts frozen on day 6!
January 2015: FET #2 Cancelled due to lining issues
Have you had nk cells testing? Possibly of you test for high nk cells you could get a intralipid infusion before transfer. Also what about blood clotting disorders? I take a blood thinner like heparin shots during FET. Also I get a endometrial scratch done on my lining before FET. Both times I have done that before I have got BFPs.
Me 34 and DH 39 married in aug. 2002
Did 5 round of clomid 2010 =BFN
High levels of NK CELLS DX sept.2012 DOR:# 0.02
IVF #1 May 2012 ER 4, EF 2, ET 2 =BFN
MINI IVF Oct.2012 Cancelled 10-27-12
Ivf #3 Antagonist Protocol April 2013
Shared cycle..Donor cycled in July Got 12 eggs 9 fertilized and 8 frozen!!
DE FET #1 Sept. 3rd 2013 FIRST BFP EVER 5dp5dt
miscarried Sept 24th at 5 weeks 5 days
Etopic D&C and hysterscopy Nov 5 2013
dx with pre genetic blood clotting dec 2013
FET #2 Jan 31st 2014
Miscarried for a second time again at 5 weeks 5 days
Currently fostering to adopt an amazing little 1 year old boy..P.J!
So far I have no testing other than the basic. We were both also tested for genetic disorders or to see if we were carriers of any. Would that cover blood clotting disorders?
I am definetly going to ask about the nk cell testing.
Normal fertility testing doesn’t cover clotting disorders
most of the time. They normally won’t even do that until you have suffered
losses
When we did IVF we had 20 mature eggs and only 3
fertilized. Our doctor suggest ICIS for the next round to get better numbers, but
we were lucky and all 3 grew to day 3 which we transferred all 3, resulting in
1 baby.
I would suggest asking about the ICIS ( it looks like you
may have done it for some, but maybe do it for all), and maybe asking if there
are different medications he thinks could work better to help you produce more
eggs. Maybe also ask if they has seen any issues with lining or anything that
could cause the embryo not to implant
Also, I would try and get them to go to day 5 if you do
another fresh round, as those have much higher success rates than day 3
I don’t know where you go, but if you have a shady grove
fertility near you, it may be worth the switch. They were amazing
In regard to what to ask--I would tell your doctor you are requesting ICSI your next cycle. I would also ask for SCSA (Sperm DNA Fragmentation) testing. I would also ask to have Karyotyping on both you and your DH. I agree with @lacy67 you should have some basic autoimmune testing, such as NK cells, in addition to blood clotting disorders.
I think it would be worth your time to get a second opinion. Who knows, maybe it is a lab issue that your embryos arrested. It’s hard to say, but a second opinion can give you another perspective.
Good Luck!!
::: Married June 2003::: TTC #1 since: Aug. 2008 Me: 34, DOR, MTHFR-A1298C (heterozygous), decreased blood flow to uterus, Mild Endo DH: 38, Balanced translocation 5&10, unexplained MFI, normal SA and SCSA Tx History: IUI 1&2= BFN IVF# 1 W/ICSI= BFN IVF# 2: cancelled d/t no response IVF# 3= 1 egg retrieved=immature/not viable IVF# 4= c/p ***CCRM ODWU*** Found DHs BT and Me-decreased blood flow to uterus Recommended DE IVF w/PGD, incorporate electro-acupuncture. Decided to cycle locally ***New RE*** DE IVF# 1(cycle #6) w/pgd, (freeze all): 30R, 23M, 15F, slow/poor embryo development, 4 biopsied, 1 Normal "Norm"; DE IVF w/PGD, incorporate electro-acupuncture. IVF# 6: (OE/DS) cancelled IVF# 7: (OE/DS) 1R, 1M, 1F, arrested day 5 Plan-DE IVF# 2 (cycle #8): DE/DS in May 2015
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September 2012: Start IF testing
DH (32): SA is ok, slightly low morph, normal SCSA Me (32): Slightly low progesterone, hostile CM, carrier for CF, Moderately high NKC, High TNFa, heterozyogous mutated Factor XIII, and +APA
October 2012-May 2014: 4 failed IUIs, 3 failed IVFs, and 1 failed FETw/donor embryos
November 2014: IVF w/ICSI #4 Agonist/Antagonist with EPP and Prednisone, Baby Aspirin, Lovenox, and IVIG for immune issues. Converted to freeze all due to lining issues. 2 blasts frozen on day 6!
January 2015: FET #2 Cancelled due to lining issues
April 2015: FET #2.1
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So far I have no testing other than the basic. We were both also tested for genetic disorders or to see if we were carriers of any. Would that cover blood clotting disorders?
I am definetly going to ask about the nk cell testing.
Normal fertility testing doesn’t cover clotting disorders most of the time. They normally won’t even do that until you have suffered losses
When we did IVF we had 20 mature eggs and only 3 fertilized. Our doctor suggest ICIS for the next round to get better numbers, but we were lucky and all 3 grew to day 3 which we transferred all 3, resulting in 1 baby.
I would suggest asking about the ICIS ( it looks like you may have done it for some, but maybe do it for all), and maybe asking if there are different medications he thinks could work better to help you produce more eggs. Maybe also ask if they has seen any issues with lining or anything that could cause the embryo not to implant
Also, I would try and get them to go to day 5 if you do another fresh round, as those have much higher success rates than day 3
I don’t know where you go, but if you have a shady grove fertility near you, it may be worth the switch. They were amazing
In regard to what to ask--I would tell your doctor you are requesting ICSI your next cycle. I would also ask for SCSA (Sperm DNA Fragmentation) testing. I would also ask to have Karyotyping on both you and your DH. I agree with @lacy67 you should have some basic autoimmune testing, such as NK cells, in addition to blood clotting disorders.
I think it would be worth your time to get a second opinion. Who knows, maybe it is a lab issue that your embryos arrested. It’s hard to say, but a second opinion can give you another perspective.
Good Luck!!
::: Married June 2003:::
TTC #1 since: Aug. 2008
Me: 34, DOR, MTHFR-A1298C (heterozygous), decreased blood flow to uterus, Mild Endo
DH: 38, Balanced translocation 5&10, unexplained MFI, normal SA and SCSA
Tx History: IUI 1&2= BFN
IVF# 1 W/ICSI= BFN
IVF# 2: cancelled d/t no response
IVF# 3= 1 egg retrieved=immature/not viable
IVF# 4= c/p
***CCRM ODWU***
Found DHs BT and Me-decreased blood flow to uterus
Recommended DE IVF w/PGD, incorporate electro-acupuncture. Decided to cycle locally
***New RE***
DE IVF# 1(cycle #6) w/pgd, (freeze all): 30R, 23M, 15F, slow/poor embryo development, 4 biopsied, 1 Normal "Norm"; DE IVF w/PGD, incorporate electro-acupuncture.
IVF# 6: (OE/DS) cancelled
IVF# 7: (OE/DS) 1R, 1M, 1F, arrested day 5
Plan-DE IVF# 2 (cycle #8): DE/DS in May 2015
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