Infertility

Beta or bust?

Is anyone going this route? Give me arguments for and against testing before beta...my office does betas 12dp5dt. I'm at 8dp5dt now...arrrrgh! I don't know!!

Me: 37 | DH: 41
TTC Since 2011 DX: Unexplained 
IUI's #1 - 3 = BFN
IVF August 2014: FSH 4.1, PRL 15.3, TSH 2.1, W/ AFC 8.
 08/03 ER 5R, 4M, 3F. 08/08 5DT of 1-3AA0, 2 frozen :) bfp @9dp5dt. Beta on 08/20 = 414.
So excited to have one little bean on the way!!
 
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Re: Beta or bust?

  • LO95LO95 member
    Well, I am feeling horribly depressed this morning.  I am only 3dp5dt, but I've already decided it hasn't worked because I feel exactly the same as I have felt every other month I've gotten a BFFN.  (@jencity9 How are you doing?) I will definitely POAS before my beta because my beta is scheduled for a work day and I just don't have time for bad news hitting me at work.  I know more than a few people who have turned a pee stick at 8dp5dt, so I would probably do it... Or, actually, I will be doing it myself...

    Me: 27 DH: 27

    October 2013: Endo erosion/ Clear HSG

    March 2014: SA #1/  2%morph, borderline sperm count, decent motility

    June 2014: SA#2/  2% morph, low sperm count, worse motility

    Plan: "Quick Start IVF"/antagonist protocol with Follistim, Ganirelix, Ovidrel and progesterone suppositories (yay)

    High AMH (11) and Low BMI= low doses of everything to prevent OHSS

    July 27, 2014: Started Follistim injections for ten days

    July 31, 2014: U/S= 20 follicles, 8.5 lining, E2 is good, Ganirelix for 4 days starting 8/2

    August 4, 2014: 14 follicles on-track, good lining, Trigger 8/6

    August 9, 2014: 9 ICSIed/ 5 embryos; aiming for a 5dt on 8/13

    August 13, 2014: 5DT of 1 4BA almost-hatching blastocyst (Please hang in, Little Bug!)

    August 14, 2014: We have 3 frosties! Hope they're having fun hanging out together. :)

    August 23, 2014: Beta #1: 144 8/23/14: Beta #2: 374 Beta 8/25/14  Beta #3: 6,600 9/3/14

    September 9, 2014: Ultrasound #1 115 heartbeats per minute

    September 23, 2014: Ultrasound #2 182 heartbeats per minute 

    September 26, 2014: Love my OB's office

    October 10, 2014: Our baby looks like a baby and is moving all over!  

    December 8, 2014: Anatomy scan- It's a girl! 


    "Hope strengthens.  Fear kills."- Karen Marie Moning

    "Heaviness is only temporary; the daylight will soon break in."- needtobreathe

  • Hope you don't mind me posting. I have always POAS, and I find it helpful. As @LO95 says, I just can't handle getting the news at work when I have no idea what it's going to be. POAS gives me some time to process slowly, as opposed to being hit by a truck. The first BFN you think might be too early, but you start to prepare yourself as the BFNs keep coming, or at least that's been my experience.

    There's always the chance that you'll get a positive and then it will turn out to be a chemical. I personally would want to know this, as it's informative, but the roller coaster may be too much for some. FWIW, I also only use the cheap Wondfos, as I can justify obsessive POAS for 33 cents, but not for the $5 each for the FRERs. Your clinic tests pretty late IMHO, so I wouldn't be able to wait that long.

    As the feelings I've had about whether or not it worked have been wrong pretty much every time, so don't worry about that!









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  • I've never made it beta or bust. I needed the time to slowly process and be prepared for "bad" news.

     Also.  EVERY thing in our journey has been determined/decided through the doctor's office.  I wanted this one moment to feel like a "normal" person who got to pee on a stick in the comforts of her bathroom to find out if she was pregnant or not. 
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    IVF #1: August 2012 Lupron Protocol | 8R 8M 8F |Transfer 2|BFN
    IVF #2: April 2014 Antagonist Protocol|12R 11M 10F|Transfer 2|BFP | m/c 5.8.14 
    FET#1: Transfer Day 8/29 | BFP | Beta 1: 302 Beta 2: 732
    U/S shows two beautiful heartbeats at 122!!
    Lost Baby B at 9 weeks 
    Baby A is our stubborn little fighter with a heartrate of 169!

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  • I've never done beta or bust either. I find the pain easier as I get a BFN each day. I usually would start testing 7dp3dt. That being said, I will do beta this time because I want to hold on a little longer. I always get AF prior to beta anyways too.
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    TTC since 2011
    DH: 29, Severe MFI; grade III varicocele; surgery postponed till KU
    Me: 30, POF/DOR, factor II hetero, MTHFR homo
    5 IVF's, LLP, EEP, MDLF all BFN
    IVF 6 using DEB USA frozen eggs
    developed bilateral PE's from BCP, cancelled/delayed 6 mths, taking lovenox
    Feb'15 SURPRISE 1st BFP ever! EDD: 10/10/15, FX
    Still have frozen donor eggs on ice
    All are welcome!
  • I also test before beta, but not before 7dp5dt. I need to process the bad news privately before the nurse calls me. One time I had a BFN at home, but the nurse called and said, "Congrats!" I then asked the beta and she said 12. She was new and clearly shouldn't have been telling me to celebrate. It ended as a CP. I feel like that would have been worse if I didn't already know it was bad news. Good luck!
  • jencity9jencity9 member
    edited August 2014
    @Canuck13‌ You and I are almost the same! I am 8dp3dt and they do their betas at ER+17 which was 8/22 but I actually requested to change to Saturday 8/23 so I don't have to deal with that at work. I am going beta or bust. I am so over the experience of a negative home test and never want to deal with seeing a white little box again. I am looking at the beta as jut another procedure/test... Like all the other b/w I would get the E2 level. Obviously this is THE one but I will still get a beta number and if it's too low, I will make my next appt for a consult and treat it as part of the process. Either way I would be devastated, but for me doing it at home would be worse. I am certainly feeling impatient though.

    @LO95‌ I'm sorry you're feeling depressed today. :( I have had moments where I felt horribly depressed and other moments where I feel more resigned. I have briefer hopeful moments but those are fewer. But as for symptoms, when I did IUIs I had some cycles with symptoms and some with none and all were BFN. And I've read people who had BFPs- some had symptoms and some had none. I feel like there is just no way to know. :(

    The other argument is I've heard people who had negatives can still be positive at beta so that would be unnecessary stress and if it is positive then you have to worry about how dark the line was, etc.

    Me: 32  DH: 33  Married: March 2004

    July 2006: started TTC
    2008: HSG (normal), couple rounds of clomid through gyno
    2008 - 2010: dragging my feet out of fear and procrastination
    October 2010: first consultation with RE, dx PCOS and fibroids (DH slightly low count/motility)
    Oct. 2010 - Dec. 2012:  In DENIAL! avoided the issue because I was scared of surgery
    January 2013: returned to RE, fibroids grew significantly
    February 2013: second HSG, fibroids pushed on tubes which blocked them somewhat
    March 2013: MRI to determine what type of surgery may be necessary

    July 29, 2013: fibroids (5) removed via robotic laparascopy
    August 2013 - Nov 2013 : benched due to recent surgery

    IUI #1, Dec. 24, 2013, BFN 
    IUI #2, Jan. 25, 2014, BFN
    IUI #3, Feb. 25, 2014  BFN
    IUI #4 canceled due to lack of response to letrozole
    IUI #4.1 April 28, 2014, BFN

    May 16, 2014: wtf consult, start prepping for IVF in June and add injects for one last IUI in the meantime
    IUI #5 started letrozole and bravelle but canceled after HSG led to new diagnosis

    May 21, 2014: third HSG, tubes blocked, one at the beginning, one hydrosalpinx??
    June 11, 2014: consult, approved to move on to IVF because the hydro is not completely blocked therefore allowing fluid to move through slowly rather than backwards
    IVF #1 August 8, 2014 - 3dt of 2 embryos, BFN
    September 17, 2014 - 4th HSG, the right tube is very patent (open!!) dye went straight through this time. Weird!
    October 2, 2014 - started metformin treatment
    November 14, 2014 - blood work, brought A1C down from 5.8 to 5.5

    November 26, 2014 - RE finally back from vaca and reviewed my chart, no more IVFs for rest of calendar year
    December 1, 2014 - Right after Thanksgiving, I called a new clinic and got in right away! Plan for IVF
    December 17, 2014 - ER! 29 retrieved (!!), 16 mature, all 16 fertilized (ICSI)

    IVF #2 December 20, 2014 - 3dt of 3 embryos, BFN

    We are done with treatment unsuccessfully. :(


    PAIF/SAIF/All Welcome!

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  • I am not sure if I will test or not. There are no tests in my home, so steering clear of 'that' aisle when I inevitably step in a drug store is going to be hard. H does not want me test early, good thing it's not him who ultimately decides!

    My beta is on Thursday and unlucky for me, I am scheduled to facilitate a training that day. Maybe POAS Is not a bad idea for me . . .
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    I was beta or bust my first cycle and I was so afraid to hear bad news, I cried and cried waiting for my blood draw, then had to wait for the call (I called them 15 minutes before their time limit for calls).  It was negative and even though I'm a pessimist and kind of expected it more than not, I was destroyed by the news.
    My second cycle, I tested out trigger, felt really low on those negative test days, then had relief and some wonderful happy moments with DH as we stared at squinters and watched them darken until beta.
    This, my third cycle, I poas'd several times, and all have been negative.  I had my blood draw today, and will not be answering my phone.  I am in a better state than my first cycle, as I've been processing this all week.  I've been googling the chances of it being positive despite my negative hpt's, but I know I'm out.  It will hurt when I hear the words, but tonight I will indulge in some of the things I've avoided while cycling and tomorrow I will try to discuss moving forward with MH.

    Good luck in whatever you decide.
    Siggy Warning BFP/Loss Mentioned
    Me: 30, DH 30 Started TTC 7/2009
    9/2010 SA=Normal 9/10 HSG Dx Both tubes dilated; Rx bilateral salpingectomy & IVF; 9/2010-12/2012 Financial break
    1/2013 Bilateral Salpingectomy 5/2013 Recent SA shows borderline morphology
    5/2013 IVF w/ ICSI #1 6/25/13 ER=11R 9M 9F  6/28/13 3dt of 2 embies (8B & 6A-); no frosties: BFN
    10/2013 IVF w/ ICSI #2 11/12/13 ER= 9R 6M 6F  11/15/13 3dt of 2 embies (8A & 8A) 3 frosties (2 day-5, 1 day-6)
    11/22/13 (7dp3dt) +hpt  11/26/13 (11dp3dt) BFP Beta=141 11/28/13 Beta 2= 372 EDD 8/5/2014
    3/20/14 Fetal Demise 20 wks F/L 17 wks D&E attempted 3/21/14 & 3/22/14 Born Still 3/23/14  I love you B.T.
    "Sometimes you try your hardestbut things don't work out the way you want them to." –Nani (Lilo & Stitch)
    “All I can say is, it's a sort of kinship, as though there is a family tree of grief. On this branch, the lost children, on this the suicided parents, here the beloved mentally ill siblings. When something terrible happens, you discover all of the sudden that you have a new set of relatives, people with whom you can speak in the shorthand of cousins.” ― Elizabeth McCracken
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    8/2014 FET 8/7/14 Transferred 1 5-day blast (4AA): BFN
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    TTCAL September Siggy Challenge:  Animals in Clothing

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  • I chose to POAS and was really glad that I did.  When the nurse called we discussed the meeting the RE and embryologist would have and set up the WTF appointment.  I don't think I would have been able to make it through the phone call without ugly cries if I didn't already know it was going to be negative.  I agree with PP it gave me the ability to start processing the BFN on my own time.
    Me 27 DH 29 Married since 2007, together since 2001
    Off BC since Febuary 2006 3 Clomid Cycles in 2008- symptomatic, US just showed a tilted uterus, otherwise normal, HSG normal.  DH has an ejaculatory duct obstruction and a congenital absence of the vas deferens.  This is common with cystic fibrosis carriers, but he doesn't have cystic fibrosis. IVF #1 with TESE/ICSI (Antagonist protocol) Aug 2014=BFN (poor embryo quality)   IVF #2 ICSI long lupron protocol November 2014
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  • Thank you, @IFinTN
    Siggy Warning BFP/Loss Mentioned
    Me: 30, DH 30 Started TTC 7/2009
    9/2010 SA=Normal 9/10 HSG Dx Both tubes dilated; Rx bilateral salpingectomy & IVF; 9/2010-12/2012 Financial break
    1/2013 Bilateral Salpingectomy 5/2013 Recent SA shows borderline morphology
    5/2013 IVF w/ ICSI #1 6/25/13 ER=11R 9M 9F  6/28/13 3dt of 2 embies (8B & 6A-); no frosties: BFN
    10/2013 IVF w/ ICSI #2 11/12/13 ER= 9R 6M 6F  11/15/13 3dt of 2 embies (8A & 8A) 3 frosties (2 day-5, 1 day-6)
    11/22/13 (7dp3dt) +hpt  11/26/13 (11dp3dt) BFP Beta=141 11/28/13 Beta 2= 372 EDD 8/5/2014
    3/20/14 Fetal Demise 20 wks F/L 17 wks D&E attempted 3/21/14 & 3/22/14 Born Still 3/23/14  I love you B.T.
    "Sometimes you try your hardestbut things don't work out the way you want them to." –Nani (Lilo & Stitch)
    “All I can say is, it's a sort of kinship, as though there is a family tree of grief. On this branch, the lost children, on this the suicided parents, here the beloved mentally ill siblings. When something terrible happens, you discover all of the sudden that you have a new set of relatives, people with whom you can speak in the shorthand of cousins.” ― Elizabeth McCracken
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    8/2014 FET 8/7/14 Transferred 1 5-day blast (4AA): BFN
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    TTCAL September Siggy Challenge:  Animals in Clothing

    Will add soon

    **All AL/AIF Welcome**
  • @lundlebean (((Hugs)))

    I don't plan to POAS, because the trigger always, always stays in my system WAY past when it is supposed to. It is awful getting super faint positives two weeks after my trigger that are always just the trigger. So this time I plan to just wait for the beta. I took an even higher dose trigger than my previous cycles, so I am super afraid of false positives on the home tests.
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    Me: 32, DOR and mild endometriosis
    DH: 34, perfect

    SEPT 2013 - Lap to diagnose and remove endometriosis
    NOV 2013 to MAR 2014 - 3 cycles of injectables + TI, all BFN
    AUG 2014 - IVF #1: 5R, 4F, All made it to blast, 5dt of 1, 3 frozen, BFN



  • I went beta or bust last time and will never do that again. That results call was so much worse because I had given myself false hope. As disappointing as a BFN is, I'd rather know before the call.
    Ready to take the road less traveled. 
  • Last time, I tested the morning of my beta. That way, I knew the trigger was gone, and I knew the result would be accurate. The day of my first beta, I got a light positive, but my beta came back at 12. So the morning of my 2nd beta, I tested again, and got a negative. So I knew what was coming later that day.

    I suspect it helped me be prepared for the call, but at the same time... I was miserable that whole day. 
    Me: 34 / DH: 33
    19-year history of endometriosis. Multiple surgeries and cyst removals. Forced directly into IVF due to blocked tubes and severe adhesions.
    IVF w/ICSI and CCS #1 - Dec 2013 - Only 1 normal. Ended in CP
    IVF w/ICSI and CCS #2, at CCRM - March 2014!
    14R, 12 ICSI'd, 11F, 6 for CCS, 5 healthy blasts frozen!
    Two 5BB blasts transferred 9/10; First beta 9/19: 109; second beta 9/22: 550!
    EDD: 5/29/15

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  • Pintobean39Pintobean39 member
    edited August 2014
    @LundleBean‌ I'm so sorry ((hugs))


    Who am I kidding, if and when I ever get to that point I will be peeing on everything, like a dog.
    Fucking bump!!!!
  • @LundleBean I'm so sorry :(

     

    We were Beta or Bust. It was a little tough, but I'm glad we did it. I went back and forth between believing it worked, and thinking it didn't. I don't think anything makes the news that it didn't easier. I am glad we waited because I got to be hopeful for some extra days/hours.

     

    We will be Beta or Bust again, but I'm thinking that it will be tougher this time.

    TTC since May 2012
    Me: 32 H: 31
    DX: MFI-Very Low Count, I have Hashimotos.
    IVF prep September 2013 cancelled due to Ovarian Cyst
    IVF #1 October 2013 Antagonistic Protocol with ICSI  ER 10/31/13 (18R 16M 11F- 6 blasts to freeze)
    ET delayed due to OHSS 
    FET scheduled for July 8. Delayed due to a crazy high TSH (it had been under control for YEARS!)
    FET #1 8/5/14 sET BFN 

    All welcome!
  • Thank you, ladies.  Sorry, I wasn't trying to take over the thread, just found this very relevant at the moment.  Thank you for the support.  It means everything.
    @Canuck13  Good luck on Wednesday!
    Siggy Warning BFP/Loss Mentioned
    Me: 30, DH 30 Started TTC 7/2009
    9/2010 SA=Normal 9/10 HSG Dx Both tubes dilated; Rx bilateral salpingectomy & IVF; 9/2010-12/2012 Financial break
    1/2013 Bilateral Salpingectomy 5/2013 Recent SA shows borderline morphology
    5/2013 IVF w/ ICSI #1 6/25/13 ER=11R 9M 9F  6/28/13 3dt of 2 embies (8B & 6A-); no frosties: BFN
    10/2013 IVF w/ ICSI #2 11/12/13 ER= 9R 6M 6F  11/15/13 3dt of 2 embies (8A & 8A) 3 frosties (2 day-5, 1 day-6)
    11/22/13 (7dp3dt) +hpt  11/26/13 (11dp3dt) BFP Beta=141 11/28/13 Beta 2= 372 EDD 8/5/2014
    3/20/14 Fetal Demise 20 wks F/L 17 wks D&E attempted 3/21/14 & 3/22/14 Born Still 3/23/14  I love you B.T.
    "Sometimes you try your hardestbut things don't work out the way you want them to." –Nani (Lilo & Stitch)
    “All I can say is, it's a sort of kinship, as though there is a family tree of grief. On this branch, the lost children, on this the suicided parents, here the beloved mentally ill siblings. When something terrible happens, you discover all of the sudden that you have a new set of relatives, people with whom you can speak in the shorthand of cousins.” ― Elizabeth McCracken
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    8/2014 FET 8/7/14 Transferred 1 5-day blast (4AA): BFN
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    TTCAL September Siggy Challenge:  Animals in Clothing

    Will add soon

    **All AL/AIF Welcome**
  • @LundleBean‌ I'm so sorry about your loss and bfn :( thanks for the input on the topic...and the gl

    Me: 37 | DH: 41
    TTC Since 2011 DX: Unexplained 
    IUI's #1 - 3 = BFN
    IVF August 2014: FSH 4.1, PRL 15.3, TSH 2.1, W/ AFC 8.
     08/03 ER 5R, 4M, 3F. 08/08 5DT of 1-3AA0, 2 frozen :) bfp @9dp5dt. Beta on 08/20 = 414.
    So excited to have one little bean on the way!!
     
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  • @LundleBean - ((hugs)) 

    I don't think I'll ever be a POAS girl.  

    My clinic told me not to, and I'm one of those people that feels much more at ease when I follow the rules.  And I never got the chance during IUI, b/c AF always came right on time.

    It might go back to my hopeful, naive days, when I started using ovulation predictor kits, and they never, ever showed that I was ovulating (apparently, I don't produce enough LH for that test).

    My beta is tomorrow morning.  I'm working at home in the morning, but then I'm headed to the airport for a flight that will carry a whole lot of my co-workers.  I'm just hoping if I am crying, I can make it to my seat unseen, and just let it go there.  (Oooo.... good reminder to me - put extra tissues in the carry-on).

    I think I prefer being PUPO for as long as possible.  Pull the wool right over my eyes - I'm happier here.  I like the hopeful feeling - which has been way too fleeting for my tastes.

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    Me: 37, DH: 39, TTC 5 yrs

    2013 summary: Diagnosed with Hypothyroid; Cervical polyp removed (benign); 
    2 rounds ovidrel with timed intercourse (no result): 3 rounds IUI with clomid + ovidrel (no result)
    2014 summary (to date):
    IVF cycle 1 - ER: 4/17 (28 follicles, 3 fertilized, 2 survived to day 3);
    ET: 4/20 (3rd day, 2 embryos - 1 @ 6 cells & 1 @ 4 cells); Beta 5/1 - BFP!; 
    1st scan 5/13 - development behind, no heartbeat detected; D&C 6/2; WTF 6/13
    IVF cycle 2 - BCP begun 7/12; stims w/ HGH begun 7/26; 
    ER: 8/6, 12 follicles, 7 fertilized w/ ICSI; ET: 8/11, 3 blastocysts left, 2 transferred, 3rd arrested 8/12 - none to freeze :'(
    1st beta 8/19 - BFP! 294; 2nd beta 8/26 - 4976; 1st u/s 9/2; 2nd u/s 9/9 - two little heartbeats at 140 each!!! 
    EDD: 29-April-2015
    Other Meds: Synthroid 100 mcg/daily

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  • @AMShark‌ I really, really hope you get positive news before your trip tomorrow! GL!!!

    Me: 37 | DH: 41
    TTC Since 2011 DX: Unexplained 
    IUI's #1 - 3 = BFN
    IVF August 2014: FSH 4.1, PRL 15.3, TSH 2.1, W/ AFC 8.
     08/03 ER 5R, 4M, 3F. 08/08 5DT of 1-3AA0, 2 frozen :) bfp @9dp5dt. Beta on 08/20 = 414.
    So excited to have one little bean on the way!!
     
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  • Good luck @AMShark!
    TTC since May 2012
    Me: 32 H: 31
    DX: MFI-Very Low Count, I have Hashimotos.
    IVF prep September 2013 cancelled due to Ovarian Cyst
    IVF #1 October 2013 Antagonistic Protocol with ICSI  ER 10/31/13 (18R 16M 11F- 6 blasts to freeze)
    ET delayed due to OHSS 
    FET scheduled for July 8. Delayed due to a crazy high TSH (it had been under control for YEARS!)
    FET #1 8/5/14 sET BFN 

    All welcome!
  • @AMSHARK Good luck tomorrow!
    Me 27 DH 29 Married since 2007, together since 2001
    Off BC since Febuary 2006 3 Clomid Cycles in 2008- symptomatic, US just showed a tilted uterus, otherwise normal, HSG normal.  DH has an ejaculatory duct obstruction and a congenital absence of the vas deferens.  This is common with cystic fibrosis carriers, but he doesn't have cystic fibrosis. IVF #1 with TESE/ICSI (Antagonist protocol) Aug 2014=BFN (poor embryo quality)   IVF #2 ICSI long lupron protocol November 2014
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