UO

KKinATX

Go!

Kitten80

Anything before 7 am is an unacceptable hour to wake for the day. Anything before 8 is pushing it. This is UO in my house. *yawn*

dinomama13

Shoot...anything before 9 is unacceptable here. I only get up this early for 5-10 minutes to lock the deadbolt behind DH.

LauraB1016

I would love to sleep until 7 or 8 unforunately 5:30a is where it is at in our household.

lancomechica

I love waking up early.  I am so much more productive in the morning than any other time of day.  Early bird gets the worm...ya know!!

theuntaggablek

I think exposed zippers are ugly.

Kitten80

@lancomechica‌ I have tried for years to be an early bird. Even when I could program myself to wake early and be ok, I would be exhausted-cant-function within an hour or two. Given the exact same # hours of sleep - if I have them and wake up at 5:30 vs have those same hours sleep but wake up at 8:30, I am so much more productive, sharp, happy, motivated, and patient. I have always been a night owl. I tried before kids and it didn't work. Now, if 4ish years of my son getting me up by 5:30 didn't reset my clock, nothing will.

joyfultrex

I have no problem getting up for the day at 4:30, but ask me to do something past 4pm and I think it's too late. I am really going to have to get over this once P is old enough to play sports.

DH doesn't get home from work till 4:30. We are having our bathrooms redone so we are without a shower. He told me to go to my moms to shower, I chose to stay home and wash up in the sink since it was just too late. (Confession and UO in one)

giraffeluvspi

joyfultrex said:

I have no problem getting up for the day at 4:30, but ask me to do something past 4pm and I think it's too late. I am really going to have to get over this once P is old enough to play sports.

DH doesn't get home from work till 4:30. We are having our bathrooms redone so we are without a shower. He told me to go to my moms to shower, I chose to stay home and wash up in the sink since it was just too late. (Confession and UO in one)

I've totally taken a baby wipe bath when I woke up late for work... early FFFC?

grapeskittles4lyfe

I think it should be illegal to park on bike lanes*. Especially when riding with the bike trailer, I've had to stop so I can pull into "regular" traffic because ejits park on the lane. I try to avoid streets in favor of bike trails as much as possible as it is, but sometimes I have to use the road.

*I don't know if it IS illegal, but the rampant bike-lane-parking I see here makes me think it isn't prosecuted

coco2787

I think it's weird when people have a kid of one sex and are expecting another of the opposite sex and they say they're nervous because they only "know" how to deal with current sex. You don't "know" boys or girls, you know your baby, and you don't know the baby that's coming.

Every kid is completely different, and gender is only one small piece of the package. You weren't born knowing how to take care of one or the other, you will learn how to take care of this baby too.

sdtchica13

Cfreymc said:

I think it's weird when people have a kid of one sex and are expecting another of the opposite sex and they say they're nervous because they only "know" how to deal with current sex. You don't "know" boys or girls, you know your baby, and you don't know the baby that's coming. Every kid is completely different, and gender is only one small piece of the package. You weren't born knowing how to take care of one or the other, you will learn how to take care of this baby too.

I was totally one of these people, and I don't think it's weird at all. I only grew up with a 4.5 years younger sister, no brothers, and most of my babysitting as a kid was for little girls, I was a camp counselor for little girls, etc. I literally had no clue what to do with a boy (hence why Gavin peed through about 50 outfits before I was told to point his penis down in the diaper before closing it, lol) and there was some trial and error on my part. Even now, I feel like I learn new stuff every day with him, whereas with Corri everything just seemed normal. 

Erinm278

Another clothing one..

I don't get the tutu obsession. All these baby girl outfits with Titus. I've never put one on el, they are nms. I think they are fun for playing dress up, but I don't feel compelled to dress el in them all the time.

coco2787

sdtchica13 said:

Cfreymc said:

I think it's weird when people have a kid of one sex and are expecting another of the opposite sex and they say they're nervous because they only "know" how to deal with current sex. You don't "know" boys or girls, you know your baby, and you don't know the baby that's coming.

Every kid is completely different, and gender is only one small piece of the package. You weren't born knowing how to take care of one or the other, you will learn how to take care of this baby too.

I was totally one of these people, and I don't think it's weird at all. I only grew up with a 4.5 years younger sister, no brothers, and most of my babysitting as a kid was for little girls, I was a camp counselor for little girls, etc. I literally had no clue what to do with a boy (hence why Gavin peed through about 50 outfits before I was told to point his penis down in the diaper before closing it, lol) and there was some trial and error on my part. Even now, I feel like I learn new stuff every day with him, whereas with Corri everything just seemed normal. 

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I get why people might feel that way, I just don't fully understand it. I feel like what they're really trying to say is, "I know how to take care of the kid I have, and I'm not sure I am fully prepared or equipped to take care of this new kid." A new baby is a learning process that turns your current world upside down no matter what the sex of the baby is. Like you said, trial and error.

In your case though, it wasn't that you just had a girl first, you had experience with girls throughout your life so I can understand that more.

Also, maybe I'm wrong here, but I get the sense that when people make these comments they're referring more about how to raise them and interact with them, rather than what to do with the genitalia

sdtchica13

Cfreymc said:

Cfreymc said:

I think it's weird when people have a kid of one sex and are expecting another of the opposite sex and they say they're nervous because they only "know" how to deal with current sex. You don't "know" boys or girls, you know your baby, and you don't know the baby that's coming. Every kid is completely different, and gender is only one small piece of the package. You weren't born knowing how to take care of one or the other, you will learn how to take care of this baby too.

I was totally one of these people, and I don't think it's weird at all. I only grew up with a 4.5 years younger sister, no brothers, and most of my babysitting as a kid was for little girls, I was a camp counselor for little girls, etc. I literally had no clue what to do with a boy (hence why Gavin peed through about 50 outfits before I was told to point his penis down in the diaper before closing it, lol) and there was some trial and error on my part. Even now, I feel like I learn new stuff every day with him, whereas with Corri everything just seemed normal. 

I get why people feel that way, I just don't fully understand it. A new baby is a learning process that turns your current world upside down no matter what the sex of the baby is. Like you said, trial and error. In your case, it wasn't that you just had a girl first, you had experience with girls throughout your life so I can understand that more.

True, but I also think that it's some a case of "the devil you know" that makes you want two of the same. That being said, I adore my baby boy and wouldn't trade him in for a girl ever. He's my snuggler and I am getting used to the daily mini heart attacks that come from him being a one man wrecking crew and a klutz, lol!

coco2787

@sdtchica13‌ there is nothing weird or wrong with wanting two of the same. In my opinion that is

sdtchica13

Cfreymc said:

@sdtchica13‌ there is nothing weird or wrong with wanting two of the same. In my opinion that is

LOL, thanks! I love having a sister and wanted that for Corri, but she loves her little bro and a brither is the norm for her because all of my friends had boys the second time around. so her thinking was "well, Ally has a baby brother, and Jake has a baby brother...so of course I would be getting a baby brother too", lol!

sparkymcgeee

I wanted two girls but I adore my boy. They are different though. I don't want to say all of it has to do with gender but Isaac is much more adventurous. He climbs. He tumbles. He's more independent. Eliza is softer and more emotional but Isaac is more sensitive to strangers. It's amazing the differences between them. But like I said, I don't know if any of it is gender related. 

sparkymcgeee

Just because you are a journalist doesn't mean you don't have to listen to the police when they ask you to leave an area. It's for your safety most of the time. At least during a riot it is. Also, if a business asks you to leave because you aren't patronizing the establishment and you are only using them for their wifi then you should respect that. 

KKinATX

lizabethann06 said:

I wanted two girls but I adore my boy. They are different though. I don't want to say all of it has to do with gender but Isaac is much more adventurous. He climbs. He tumbles. He's more independent. Eliza is softer and more emotional but Isaac is more sensitive to strangers. It's amazing the differences between them. But like I said, I don't know if any of it is gender related. 

My experience- Both of my kids are super active but Brynne is much more adventurous. She has no fear. Jack is cautious, perceptive, and sensitive. It's amazing how different they are. Jack has always been more emotionally exhausting whereas Brynne is more physically exhausting. It's very different than what I imagined it to be. Brynne has been so go-with-the-flow since day 1 whereas Jack needs predictable routines and structure, and is resistant to change. I am amazed everyday that two people who came from the same parents are so different!

: Well you pretty much took the words out of my mouth.  I think it might have something to do with birth order? Who knows.  You're the child psych person .  I do see gender differences in my kids, but a lot of their behavior is similar to what @sparkymcgeee described, but we have the boy first and girl second.  So I don't think it's all attributed to sex/ gender.

Carrie3102

sparkymcgeee said:

I wanted two girls but I adore my boy. They are different though. I don't want to say all of it has to do with gender but Isaac is much more adventurous. He climbs. He tumbles. He's more independent. Eliza is softer and more emotional but Isaac is more sensitive to strangers. It's amazing the differences between them. But like I said, I don't know if any of it is gender related. 

I don't know if it's gender related or not either, but Josephine is more adventurous and independent than Parker.

sparkymcgeee

econmama said:

Just because you are a journalist doesn't mean you don't have to listen to the police when they ask you to leave an area. It's for your safety most of the time. At least during a riot it is. Also, if a business asks you to leave because you aren't patronizing the establishment and you are only using them for their wifi then you should respect that. 

You didnt read the same account I did. The journalists responded immediately to the police to be asked to leave and the establishment did not complain.

Did you hear the audio? I heard it this morning on the way to work. I heard that the McDonalds called the police so they could have everyone removed from the restaurant that wasn't there to eat. The journalist said they were there because it was the only establishment with WiFi. 

martyn17

Re: the gender difference thing...

yesterday, Tess and I went to the playground after work.  She was dressed in grey pants and a yellow tee shirt.  She was exploring the slides, the tunnels, etc.

A woman who was playing with her little girl laughed and said "That's the difference between boys and girls... my daughter would never be so adventurous."

So funny

sparkymcgeee

mystererae said:

sparkymcgeee said:

econmama said:

Just because you are a journalist doesn't mean you don't have to listen to the police when they ask you to leave an area. It's for your safety most of the time. At least during a riot it is. Also, if a business asks you to leave because you aren't patronizing the establishment and you are only using them for their wifi then you should respect that. 

You didnt read the same account I did. The journalists responded immediately to the police to be asked to leave and the establishment did not complain.

Did you hear the audio? I heard it this morning on the way to work. I heard that the McDonalds called the police so they could have everyone removed from the restaurant that wasn't there to eat. The journalist said they were there because it was the only establishment with WiFi. 

This seems silly. They should've just bought some cheeseburgers then? 

I agree. But the officer was forceful. He was in the wrong but the journalists were as well. The whole thing is a mess and I know everyone here just wants it to end. It's been four nights of violence and protests. It's scary here. 

gutsymama

Violence is not the answer - the following is not meant to condone it. 

But I think condemning someone for reacting violently in the face of oppression is not a whole lot different than condemning someone for not just going to college instead of using welfare. Both are a product of the circumstances. Sure, there are other, better ways. But a huge, complicated social history has contributed to making those other ways seem unattainable or ineffective or just not an option. 

If people are crushed for long enough, eventually they will explode. 

mellysmommy

I don't think Tony Stewart hit Kevin Ward intentionally. Many males in my family race many types of vehicles, and it is well known that you NEVER get out of your car on the track,(unless a fire) and especially don't walk onto the track in front of other carts. I also know that the wings on those particular carts, paired with the dirt track, visibility can be very limited.

I feel so bad for Ward's family but I will never believe that Tony Stewart's actions were intentional, and people need to get off his case. I'm sure he'll carry the guilt with him forever, regardless.

martyn17

gutsymama said:

Violence is not the answer - the following is not meant to condone it. 

But I think condemning someone for reacting violently in the face of oppression is not a whole lot different than condemning someone for not just going to college instead of using welfare. Both are a product of the circumstances. Sure, there are other, better ways. But a huge, complicated social history has contributed to making those other ways seem unattainable or ineffective or just not an option. 

If people are crushed for long enough, eventually they will explode. 

I really appreciate this insight.  

I hope both the police and the protesters and the journalists and the bystanders all can have peace very soon.  But its so essential to understand the historical legacy at play here, as well as the more recent militarization of the police force.  

Carrie3102

gutsymama said:

Violence is not the answer - the following is not meant to condone it. 

But I think condemning someone for reacting violently in the face of oppression is not a whole lot different than condemning someone for not just going to college instead of using welfare. Both are a product of the circumstances. Sure, there are other, better ways. But a huge, complicated social history has contributed to making those other ways seem unattainable or ineffective or just not an option. 

If people are crushed for long enough, eventually they will explode. 

I find it hard to be ok with the excuse of "they are a product of their circumstance" not all people who have shitty circumstances would act like this, and likewise not all people with good circumstances don't.  You are a product of the choices you make.  

I personally am very good friends with a woman (have been since grade school), her father beat the fuck out of her mother on the regular for a LONG ass time.  It was constant, and she wasn't a good liar.  They weren't rich by any means and money was always tight.  It wasn't the most loving and optimistic environment.  I personally saw him hit her when I was at their house right out of high school.  It was "because" of me he hit her.  I have felt guilt for that ever since.  My friend is a councilor.  She helps guide young people in similar situations.  

She took a look at her circumstances and said "Fuck you, I will do better, I will have a better life." and she did.  She applied herself.  She could have just as easily gone down a bad path but she didn't. 

I think that both parties are not acting in the best interest of the community and based on what I have read on the matter, most people just want the whole thing to stop.  There hasn't even been time for an investigation because of this, how will this family ever get justice if no investigation can be completed.  The protesters aren't helping they aren't doing anything but hindering the investigation, for that reason alone they should have some respect and leave. 

It's a sad situation and I feel for all involved and all who are near it. 

gutsymama

@Carrie3102 Absolutely. And there are people from the slums who go to college. But how many people are in situations similar to your friend's and aren't able to better themselves?

I'm not trying to excuse the violence. I'm not saying it's ok. But at the societal level, rather than the individual level, I don't think we can expect any other reaction and it does everyone a disservice to bring it down to the level of individuals making better choices at the expense of ignoring the deeper-seated issues that extend far beyond this particular event. 

Carrie3102

I know you weren't @gutsymama  

You know how I love to debate... I saw an opening

They are able to better themselves, they choose to believe they cannot.

The guide to success is simple:

Hard work, perseverance, determination, and luck.  Without any one of those components you cannot succeed. 

College isn't necessary to make something of yourself.  Dave Thomas the founder of Wendy's.  Quit school either in or after 8th grade. He was an orphan. He found a way to better his life in the millions (billions?).

gutsymama

And @Carrie3102 - did your friend never once lash out against what was happening to her? It seems to me that rioting in response to a shooting is far more comparable to hitting back once when your parent strikes you (or turning that anger on someone else in your life, briefly) than to going down a bad path for the rest of your life. Everyone reaches a breaking point, no? But that doesn't mean that they are forever broken. 

Not just directed at you: I've run into this several times recently and I just want to clarify - there's a difference between agreeing/approving of someone's actions, and being unwilling to condemn their actions. Here, I disagree without condemning. 

Carrie3102

gutsymama said:

And @Carrie3102 - did your friend never once lash out against what was happening to her? It seems to me that rioting in response to a shooting is far more comparable to hitting back once when your parent strikes you (or turning that anger on someone else in your life, briefly) than to going down a bad path for the rest of your life. Everyone reaches a breaking point, no? But that doesn't mean that they are forever broken. 

Not just directed at you: I've run into this several times recently and I just want to clarify - there's a difference between agreeing/approving of someone's actions, and being unwilling to condemn their actions. Here, I disagree without condemning. 

Ooohh interesting point! 

I like the way you think.  

I'd say I'm sure she did, and there were times she almost killed herself, like 2x that I know of for sure, and one other that I can't confirm and neither will she.  So, yeah she had dark days, but by the same token, I can also assure you that she didn't take it out on anyone else but herself, sibling junk aside all siblings fight.  She was a perfect student, never in any trouble, an athlete, straight As, treated all the kids at school well, never was a jerk to anyone.  But I know she blamed herself a lot.  

I can see where you are coming from, but the violence, on either side, isn't going to make the situation better, the only way the police will leave is if the rioting stops.  

I agree with you on your second point. 

gutsymama

@Carrie3102 I spent too long typing that out one-handed and didn't see your follow-up; I would say that in theory you're right but only in an ideal world, and in reality it's more like 

Carrie3102 said:

They Some are able to better themselves, (because it's impossible for everyone to be in the middle or on top, right?) they choose to believe they cannot. Most are never taught to believe that they can. 

The guide to success is seems simple:

Hard work, perseverance, determination, and luck.  Without any one of those components you cannot succeed. 

College isn't necessary to make something of yourself. Absolutely not. But it's sure as shit difficult to be successful without some sort of education/training/connections/inheritance. Dave Thomas the founder of Wendy's.  Quit school either in or after 8th grade. He was an orphan. He found a way to better his life in the millions (billions?). If only this were the norm instead of the rare, rare exception. 

Debate away, my friend. This is a friendly convo on my end as well  

Only now Luke is awake and pooping so it might be awhile before I return....

sparkymcgeee

At what point are the police allowed to reach the end of their rope? What straw breaks their camels back? It's obviously not allowed to be after several days of riots, looting, and violence.

Carrie3102

gutsymama said:

@Carrie3102 I spent too long typing that out one-handed and didn't see your follow-up; I would say that in theory you're right but only in an ideal world, and in reality it's more like 

Carrie3102 said:

They Some are able to better themselves, (because it's impossible for everyone to be in the middle or on top, right?) they choose to believe they cannot. Most are never taught to believe that they can.  

The guide to success is seems simple:

Hard work, perseverance, determination, and luck.  Without any one of those components you cannot succeed. 

College isn't necessary to make something of yourself. Absolutely not. But it's sure as shit difficult to be successful without some sort of education/training/connections/inheritance. Dave Thomas the founder of Wendy's.  Quit school either in or after 8th grade. He was an orphan. He found a way to better his life in the millions (billions?). If only this were the norm instead of the rare, rare exception. 

Debate away, my friend. This is a friendly convo on my end as well  

Only now Luke is awake and pooping so it might be awhile before I return....

Fucking quote box  

Shades of grey.

I don't do shades of grey, I deal in black and white.  So, for me it's hard to see the grey.  I'm a believer in personal strength but then I had parents who taught me to believe in myself.  

martyn17

sparkymcgeee said:

At what point are the police allowed to reach the end of their rope? What straw breaks their camels back? It's obviously not allowed to be after several days of riots, looting, and violence.

They are supposed to be a professional force maintaining public safety.  Personally, they can feel at the end of their rope, but they are never allowed to reach "the end of their rope" if that is code for excessive violence.  

Pink724

martyn17 said:

sparkymcgeee said:

At what point are the police allowed to reach the end of their rope? What straw breaks their camels back? It's obviously not allowed to be after several days of riots, looting, and violence.

They are supposed to be a professional force maintaining public safety.  Personally, they can feel at the end of their rope, but they are never allowed to reach "the end of their rope" if that is code for excessive violence.  

Perfectly said. I was trying to type something like that but you did if much better

Carrie3102

I think it was wrong of the NJ police to tell the man who was flying the ISIS flag to take it down after complaints from neighbors.  

First Amendment yo... He wasn't disturbing the peace.  However, I do also believe that the decisions we make can place us under extra scrutiny.   

PrimRoseMama

Carrie3102 said:

I think it was wrong of the NJ police to tell the man who was flying the ISIS flag to take it down after complaints from neighbors.  

First Amendment yo... He wasn't disturbing the peace.  However, I do also believe that the decisions we make can place us under extra scrutiny.   

I agree, but how anyone can support beheading children & genocide is beyond my comprehension. :-??

sparkymcgeee

martyn17 said:

sparkymcgeee said:

At what point are the police allowed to reach the end of their rope? What straw breaks their camels back? It's obviously not allowed to be after several days of riots, looting, and violence.

They are supposed to be a professional force maintaining public safety.  Personally, they can feel at the end of their rope, but they are never allowed to reach "the end of their rope" if that is code for excessive violence.  

At what point are they allowed to use force with force? Like I've mentioned people have been pointing guns at the officers. People have been throwing bricks at the officers. When are they allowed to use force or escalate? 

I'm not here saying the police officers are all good guys and they haven't been doing any wrong. I'm just wondering when are they allowed to assert themselves? 

ashie624

When making the UO thread, somehow the OP should make the title longer. Haha my fat fingers have a hard time clicking on such a small title.