Pregnant after IF

Yet another confusing ultrasound

I'm 8 weeks today and I had another ultrasound. Baby is measuring behind at 7weeks 1day with a hr of 136. The hr has gained the daily average of 3.3 beats per day; but it's well below the average hr at 8 weeks of 150-180 but average for 7w1d

My RE said that this can be caused by 2 scenarios:

1. Impending m/c

Or the more likely (according to my RE)

2. Confined placental mosaicism.

Apparently according to my RE in the early stages of implantation chromosomally abnormal cells are often shed into the placenta and the normal cells then continue to multiply to yield a healthy embryo that is a little behind schedule and leaves the abnormal chromosomes in the placenta.

So I googled this phenomenon and read that it only accounts for about 2% of positive CVS results that had subsequent negative amnio results.

Needless to say I'm still feeling lost and have yet been able to find the positives in this situation. My RE thinks I'm a pro at finding the negatives....... But really what else am I supposed to think?

I just want to be happy about this pregnancy :(

Me: 38
DX:  Adenomyosis, Compounded MTHFR, PAI-1 4G variant

DH: 34
MFI due to Testicular Cancer

Married March 2012 <3
IVF w/ICSI #1
10 little polar bears
FET #1 with 2 polar bears ~Nov 6, 2013 BFN :(
FET # 2 with 2 more polar bears ~March 19, 2014 BFP!!!
Beta 1= 276
Beta 2= 662
4/19/14 ~ baby A became an angel
5/02/14 ~ baby B became an angel
5/3/14 ~ D&C
FET #3 with 1 male polar bear ~October 3, 2014
October 13, 2014 ~ BFN
Fur Children:  Memphis 3y, Dutch 3y, Marcel 2y, Meadow 1y



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Re: Yet another confusing ultrasound

  • Wow, so confusing. I am sooo sorry you are having all these issues.

    I understand if it is #1 but what does it mean if it is#2? quite confusing.

    still hoping for healthy, happy baby for you.

    when do you get your next u/s
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    Diagnosis: PCOS
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    IVF #1 March 6. 14 eggs retrieved, 10 fertilized. 
    March 11, 4 eggs transferred.
    March 21 BFP  :) Beta #1 457, Beta #2 1350, Beta #3 9619. 
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  • So sorry you are going through this. If I understand correctly, if it is option #2, then things are likely to go well. Is that right? The uncertainty must be terrible.
    Me - 35. DH - 40. TTC #1 since 9/2010. 
    IUI #1-2 BFN
    IUI #3 BFP = C/P
    IUI #4-6 BFNs
    IVF #1 Lupron and Gonal F: 29R 29M 28F
    2 blastocysts transferred 12/14/13
    Beta at 9dp5dt = 285; Beta at 12dp5dt = 925
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  • I'm so sorry you didn't get more comfort at your ultrasound. I think it sounds good that baby's hr is on track for where he/she is measuring. Hopefully that trend will continue!!

    I know all about the so called "lightening strike" diagnosis where the chances are soooo slim, and hope that if the situation is #2, that it doesn't necessarily mean a negative outcome.

    Thinking of you!!!
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    Dh:34, no issues.  Me:31, Endo, slightly hypothyroid, deformed ovary, paracentric inversion.
    4 Gonal-F, Cetrotide, HcG, Crinone +TI cycles= all BFN
    Lap in 2012 to remove large unresolving cyst discovered endo and double lobed ovary.
     6 Gonal-F, Cetrotide, HcG, Crinone IUI cycles= All BFN,
    1st IVF w/ICSI- June '13 Antagonist: Gonal-F, Menopur, Ganirelix, HcG, Estradiol, Crinone= 7 retrieved, 4 mature, 1 unfertilized, 2 abnormally fertilized, 1 normally fertilized.  2DT of only embryo and our miracle BFP.
    Our beloved baby boy was born sleeping Oct. 13, 2013 due to pROM/IC/Uterine infection.
    2nd IVF w/ICSI- Feb. '14 EPP/lupron/antagonist: Estrace, lupron, HGH, Gonal-F, Menopur, HcG, PIO, lovenox, doxy/dex.=21 retrieved, 16 mature, 15 fertilized!!  5dt of 1 blast/ 6 frozen. BFP!  Beta 1 9dp5dt:83.9  Beta 2: 11dp5dt: 145.2  Beta 3  14dp5dt: 497  Please be our sticky rainbow baby!

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  • Wow, so confusing. I am sooo sorry you are having all these issues.


    I understand if it is #1 but what does it mean if it is#2? quite confusing.

    still hoping for healthy, happy baby for you.

    when do you get your next u/s
    Apparently #2 doesn't ALWAYS mean something negative...... But it can. If let's say the trisomic rescue happened on the 21,13, or 18 chromosome the results are supposedly not so great... If it happened on any other chromosomes again not so great.... Or things could turn out fine. I've read positive info and some more negative. Basically it's a mixed bag and we don't know what to expect except it could be really bad or really ok....

    I'm stuck in limbo :( and google just gives me more things to fret over.
    Another u/s next Friday.
    Me: 38
    DX:  Adenomyosis, Compounded MTHFR, PAI-1 4G variant

    DH: 34
    MFI due to Testicular Cancer

    Married March 2012 <3
    IVF w/ICSI #1
    10 little polar bears
    FET #1 with 2 polar bears ~Nov 6, 2013 BFN :(
    FET # 2 with 2 more polar bears ~March 19, 2014 BFP!!!
    Beta 1= 276
    Beta 2= 662
    4/19/14 ~ baby A became an angel
    5/02/14 ~ baby B became an angel
    5/3/14 ~ D&C
    FET #3 with 1 male polar bear ~October 3, 2014
    October 13, 2014 ~ BFN
    Fur Children:  Memphis 3y, Dutch 3y, Marcel 2y, Meadow 1y



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  • Huh?!  Why do you seem to have the unusual diagnoses? 

    Seriously right? I'm starting to think my uterus is a freaking weird science book!

    As far as growth... Baby is measuring a week behind
    Me: 38
    DX:  Adenomyosis, Compounded MTHFR, PAI-1 4G variant

    DH: 34
    MFI due to Testicular Cancer

    Married March 2012 <3
    IVF w/ICSI #1
    10 little polar bears
    FET #1 with 2 polar bears ~Nov 6, 2013 BFN :(
    FET # 2 with 2 more polar bears ~March 19, 2014 BFP!!!
    Beta 1= 276
    Beta 2= 662
    4/19/14 ~ baby A became an angel
    5/02/14 ~ baby B became an angel
    5/3/14 ~ D&C
    FET #3 with 1 male polar bear ~October 3, 2014
    October 13, 2014 ~ BFN
    Fur Children:  Memphis 3y, Dutch 3y, Marcel 2y, Meadow 1y



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  • T&PS for all of you. I'm so sorry this has been so hard.

    TTC #1 since 8/1/10; Me:41 and BRCA1+, DH:46
    DOR (FSH 24.3)/ terrible egg quality ; homozygous MTHFR c677t
    5 IUI's: 2/11 to 6/11 and 1/12= BFN
    OE IVF#1-4 8/11-6/12= all BFN
    DE IVF#1 11/12 bad embryos= BFN
    DE IVF #2 2/13 BFP/Beta hell: m/c 5w6d
    CFNBC 7 months, not doing well; decided on guarantee program at RBA w/frozen DE
    DE IVF #3 1/14  ET 4BB; BFP;M/C 5w1d, incomplete m/c; MVA extraction in ER 7w1d

    DE FET#1 ET 3/1714; BFP, beta 1 3/27= 197, beta 2 3/31= 1586, beta 3 4/7= 13879!!
    First u/s= Twins with HBs at 6w2d! We are Team Pink x 2!!

    K & K born 11/21/14 at 38wks 4 days

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  • I am so sorry to hear that you are going through so much.  Sending you lots of T&P's.  I will be thinking of you. 



      


  • Sorry you are going through all of this. Really, though, your baby's heart rate is increasing! That is a really good sign! I would definitely look at that as a positive. It is still really early and, while 136 may seem far away from the average 150, it's really only a few days behind. 

    When is your next ultrasound?

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    Aug. - Sept. 2013 - dIUIs = BFNs
    January 2014 - IVF = 3 freezer babies
    March 2014 - FET of AA and AB blast = BFP! Twins! 
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  • FX and T&Ps and hugs to you. I hope you have lots to keep you busy so the next week goes quickly, and I hope you get a lot more clarity at the u/s next Friday.
    Me: 37 | DH: 38 | Married 9/2012, low AMH, high FSH
    First-ever BFP after IUI #4 (Follistim) - Baby Girl born (36w2d) 8/8/2014!
    TTC #2 since Feb 2015
    BFP 5/4/15
  • seriously..... i'm sorry you have to continue to be in such limbo. totally unfair. its hard not to be worried, but right now, you are pregnant, and have a LO inside you with a little heart thats beating away and hopefully gets stronger and stronger. *hugs* hope this week passes quickly for you and you can finally get some NORMAL news for once.
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    6 rounds of clomid = no luck
    IVF w/ ICSI & AZH #1 - Jan/2011 = ET cancelled OHSS
    FET #1 & #2 - March/2011 & June/2011 = Chemical Preg.
    IVF w/ Half ICSI #2 New RE - May/2012 = BFN!
    May '12 - Sep '13 - Took A Break
    Dec '13 IVF w/ Half ICSI #3!!!!! Switched RE
    Protocol - Lupron trigger/Follistim/Ganirelix/Estrace/Vivelle/Crinone
    12/27 - BFP! TWINS! EDD 9/3/14 ...Team PURPLE!
    6/27/14 - Emergency C/S @ 30w2d - Baby A 2lb 14oz, Baby B 2lb 11 oz
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  • I'm sorry you still don't have clarity.  Hoping it all turns out well.
  • I'm sorry you didn't get more reassurance, I hope that things are much improved on the next US.

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    Oct 12 - Jan 14: 3 clomid/TI cycles, 2 hysteroscopies, 2 IUIs, 1 BFP (MMC @ 12w), 2 more IUIs
    Feb 14: Gonal-f + IUI #5 = BFP! (EDD 11/4/14)
    Baby boy arrived 11/13/14!

  • Stay strong.  Your little one has put up such a fight so far.  Your little one still has a strong heartbeat.  I can't image how difficult this must be for you, but try to stay positive.  I'm a firm believer in the power of positive thinking.  
    Married on October 20, 2012.  Began trying in January 2013.
    RE appointment & testing December 2013 - February 2014= Unexplained IF, possible endometriosis
    IUI#1- March 22 (100mg clomid, 75 mg of Bravelle, Ovidrel trigger) = BFP!!!



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    Thanks for the update. Fingers and toes crossed for you and baby. I can't imagine how unbelievably stressful this is for you! Try to think positive (even though I'm SURE it's hard) and not give up. Your little one hasn't and is hanging on strong, there must be a reason for this. 
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  • So sorry to hear what you're going through. Fx that your LO will have a great outcome. Grow baby grow!
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    IVF cycle 1 (Nov 2013)- freeze all d/t OHSS
    FET #1-BFN
    FET #2-BFP baby girl born Dec 2014
    FET #3-Sept 2017 BFP but miscarried at 6 weeks

    IVF cycle 2 (Oct 2017)- freeze all again d/t OHSS
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  • Wow! This is so unfair. :( I"m really sorry you're going through this.

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    We're queer. I'm 33, have severe stage 4 endo, and had both fallopian tubes removed. My love ("Manada" on the boards, 32) was diagnosed with diminished ovarian reserve. We did Partner IVF (my eggs, her uterus). We lost our twins Tavin and Casey at 21 weeks gestation.

    Our IUIs
    with @Manada: IUI# 1-7 (December 2012- September 2013) all BFN. Tried natural, femara, clomid, puregon/follistim, clomid and menopur combo, both the ovidrel and HCG triggers.

    Our IVFs:
    IVF #1 my eggs November/December 2013: Cancelled IVF due to poor response

    IVF #2 my eggs/Manada's uterus January/February 2014
    BCPs and lupron overlap Stimmed: 1/22-2/2: Bravelle and Menopur (dosage ranged from B300 and M150 to B375 and M150 to B300 and M225)
    2/4 retrieved 10 eggs. Endo was much worse than expected. Only 3 eggs fertilized; February 7 transferred two day 3 embryos, froze one. All great condition.
    BFP eve of 6dp3dt; Beta 1 (11dp3dt): 110; Beta 2 (13dp3dt): 175; Beta 3 (15dp3dt): 348; Beta 4 (19dp3dt): 2222; Beta 5 (21dp3dt): 4255
    1st ultrasound (3/6  6w 1d): TWINS!!!! Twin A measuring 6w1d with a heartbeat of 118bpm. Twin B measuring 6w0d with a heartbeat of 113bpm. 

    ***July 18, 2014 we lost our beautiful babies at 21 weeks gestation. They were born too early. Tavin Sara T. and Casey Elizabeth T. are beautiful and precious and we will love them and miss them forever.***

    FET #1 December 2014
    Intralipid infusion on Dec 10. Transfer of 1 day 3 nine-cell embryo into my uterus on Dec. 19. (acupuncture immediately before and after)
    BFP on Dec. 27; Beta 1 Jan 2 (14dp3dt): 665, Beta 2 Jan 4 (16dp3dt): 1859, Beta 3 Jan 6 (18dp3dt): 4449, Beta 4 Jan 10 (22dp3dt): 12,251.



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  • Google can be extremely helpful or extremely depressing! I would try to stop with the googling for now and try to stay positive and healthy and see what happens next week. While you're measuring a week behind, it's got to be a good sign that the heartbeat is increasing and on track with the measurements. 

    I apologize if this comes out offensive, I don't mean it to be, BUT I was freaking out at one point over all of the negative outcomes that I read online and was telling my RE how nervous I was because of what I was reading online and my RE said, "that's because the people with positive outcomes are too busy taking care of their babies to write about it on a forum." That was about a year ago, but I always think about that before I start freaking out and, for me, it's a comforting thought.

    Thoughts and prayers are with you!
    Me (31) - PCOS with insulin resistance

    4 rounds of Clomid = no response
    IVF # 1 - ET (1 3AA, 4 frosties): 12/22 = BFP
    EDD: 9/9/2014

  • T&P that your little one keeps fighting.
    Me 29 DH 30 Unexplained IF TTC since wedding May 2012. IUI #1 11/5/13-BFN.  IUI #2 12/5/13-BFN. IUI #3-12/30/14. All three with Femara CD 3-7 and Ovidrel trigger. +HPT 1/13/14 First +ever!!! Beta #1 195 Beta #2 1/15-533. Ultrasound on 2/4 showed one bean. EDD 9/22/14. Team Green turned Team Blue-Baby Conner arrived on 9/19/14.



  • Hang in there.  Long walk seem to do the trick for me when I need to take a break from Dr.Google.

    Think positive thoughts and babies.....I know it sound silly but it always help to reduce stress but thinking positive.

    (((((((((((((((((((((hugs)))))))))))))))

    TTC since 2007; Unexplained; 8PG: 4CP, 2EP, 2MC w/HB at 8-9 weeks
    Getting ready for DIVF #1 - Transfer 12/16! 
  • Sorry you are going through all of this. Really, though, your baby's heart rate is increasing! That is a really good sign! I would definitely look at that as a positive. It is still really early and, while 136 may seem far away from the average 150, it's really only a few days behind. 


    When is your next ultrasound?
    My next ultrasound is this coming Friday.
    Me: 38
    DX:  Adenomyosis, Compounded MTHFR, PAI-1 4G variant

    DH: 34
    MFI due to Testicular Cancer

    Married March 2012 <3
    IVF w/ICSI #1
    10 little polar bears
    FET #1 with 2 polar bears ~Nov 6, 2013 BFN :(
    FET # 2 with 2 more polar bears ~March 19, 2014 BFP!!!
    Beta 1= 276
    Beta 2= 662
    4/19/14 ~ baby A became an angel
    5/02/14 ~ baby B became an angel
    5/3/14 ~ D&C
    FET #3 with 1 male polar bear ~October 3, 2014
    October 13, 2014 ~ BFN
    Fur Children:  Memphis 3y, Dutch 3y, Marcel 2y, Meadow 1y



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  • I'm so sorry for all you have been going through. Sending lots of T&Ps your way for a healthy baby thriving in there!! 
             

            

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  • Uuuugh I'm so sorry that you can seem to get a definitive ultrasound.  Hang in there!  I can't imagine how frustrated and lost your must feel.  My FX super tight that this embryo is just being stubborn and will become your take home baby!
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  • Ugh! I know this must be really difficult. Maybe try posting on SAIF and see if anyone else had babies measuring behind? Sending you lots of virtual hugs!!!!
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    4 IUIs with Clomid, Letrozole, and Menopur. All BFN.
    9/12: lap / hysteroscopy: found and removed mild endometriosis, cervical polyp, and 2 para-tubular cysts
    5/13 IVF #1: Follistim, Menopur, Ganirelix, 10R/4M/4F, ET of 2, 5 cell and 4 cell, no frosties = BFN
    12/13 IVF #2 = November / December 2013. Microdose Lupron Protocol: 15R/6M/6F, Froze all 6 due to high E2 and P4
    FET 1: Jan 22, 2014 of one 4AB blast and one 3BB blast (3 blasts on ice!)
    BFP on HPT 4dp5dt, Beta #1 9dp5dt: 310, Beta #2 11dp5dt: 899
    First u/s on 2/17/14: TWINS!!!!! both w/HBs of 114 at 6w3d, HBs 150 and 152 at 7w5d

    5/27/2014: Team purple!!!!  EDD 10/10/2014 / 
    Delivered by c-section at 32w0d 8/15/2014 due to preeclampsia/HELLP syndrome
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  • I'm so sorry to hear that you can't get any definitive answers, it must be so frustrating. Thoughts & prayers being sent your way & to your little bean.
    Me: 37 DH: 41
    Dx: Endometriosis
    TTC May 2012
    Jan 2014 IUI#1: BFN
    Feb 2014 IUI #2: BFP
    Beta #1: 403
    First u/s: 3/14 It is TWINS!!
    EDD: 11/12/2014 ~ Boys x2
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  • I am so sorry that you can't just get a straight answer! Just remember that today you are pregnant. Dr. Google does not have all of the answers and we don't get to have a crystal ball :( just love your baby right now and you have lots of T&Ps coming your way!
    TTC Since January 2012 Me:37 DH:34      DX July 2013: Unexplained Infertility      New DX Dec 2013: DOR
    BFP#1 6/4/12 EDD 2/13/13 M/C 6/6/12  BFP#2 2/21/13 EDD 11/3/13 M/C 2/26/13 BFP#3 C/P
    4 rounds of clomid, 2 with IUI = BFN
    November/December Retesting/Natural Cycle = Surprise BFP @ 11dpo! Beta#1 76.6@13dpo Beta #2 276@15dpo u/s#1 6w2d hb113 u/s#2 8w2d, measuring 8w4d hb168! 10w2d hb171 12w3d Verifi results are in and good! EDD 8/23 Our Baby Girl Rainbow Baby born 8/20/2014!!!
    Um...what? BFP 11/2/15!?! EDD 7/4/16
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    I am so sorry you are going through this.  FX that things improve on Friday & that little bean catches up!  (((hugs))) 

    Me (36) - LOR, DH (34) - MFI (low count & poor motility)

    TTC since 01/2012

    11/2012-04/2013 Unmonitored Clomid cycles through OB/GYN; Referred to RE

    05/2013-Benched due to cyst

    06/2013 - Clomid 50 mg + HCG Trigger + TI = BFN

    07/2013 - Clomid 50 mg + HCG Trigger + IUI #1 = BFN

     08/2013 - Clomid 50 mg + HCG Trigger + IUI #2 = BFN

    09/2013 - Benched for lap & hysteroscopy (Stage II Endo Removed)

    10/2013 - Menopur + HCG Trigger + IUI #3 = BFN

    11/2013 - Menopur + HCG Trigger + IUI #4 = BFN

     12/2013 - Clomid + HCG Trigger + IUI #5 = BFN

    2/2014 - IVF #1 - Microdose Lupron Flare Protocol - 5R/4M/4F w/ICSI; 2 embies transferred on day 3 (none to freeze)

    2/27/14 - First BFP Ever!!!  EDD 11/3/14

     

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  • Oh honey, how frustrating. Thoughts and prayers are with you this week while you wait for the next US.
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    Me: 31, DOR-most recent AMH 0.28 and FSH 16.5
    DH:34, no issues
    9/13: DOR DX
     Clomid w/IUI cycle #1& 2=BFN
    Gonal-f w/ IUI cycle #3: 150 IU/day, IUI 12/16=BFP! Beta#1=175 on 12/30, beta#2=950 on 1/3, beta #3=9035 on 1/9; first U/S 1/17 showed one beautiful heartbeat @ 114,  second U/S on 1/24 hr=156 and everything perfect!
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