MFI Clomid ?

CeCe8579

Has anyone's hubby been on Clomid for MFI? I know there was someone here. I need deets! That's our next step.

SassFrass

I don't know who it was, but I just have to say, I am not so sure I could even convince my DH to do this, he would give me the king of all side-eyes lol I am interested in deets also though!  Good luck!

Momarazzi007

not clomid, bht fertility aid last three months, we get SA results this week, I'll keep you updated- what were your hubby's?

CeCe8579

@SassFrass‌ after almost two years of TTCing, both of us having IF issues (Clomid seemingly helps mine) and my husband not having any biological children of his own, he is willing to do anything!

@Momarazzi007‌, do you know who it was?

CeCe8579

Momarazzi007 said:

not clomid, bht fertility aid last three months, we get SA results this week, I'll keep you updated- what were your hubby's?

You read my mind, haha! I swear there was someone here whose hubby took Clomid or am I just loosing my mind?

His count was great but his motility and morphology were low but I can't remember the numbers. I need to find the paper or my post.

Momarazzi007

yes, find that paper girl! i emailed nurse to see if i could get sooner

SassFrass

Iloveshanej said:

@SassFrass‌ after almost two years of TTCing, both of us having IF issues (Clomid seemingly helps mine) and my husband not having any biological children of his own, he is willing to do anything! @Momarazzi007‌, do you know who it was?

Well after 4 I am sure DH probably WOULD if it was suggested, but he would still give the side eye! We are in the same boat, no bio babies of his own, sooo he probably would, he is just SO skeptical about everything lol

CeCe8579

SassFrass said:

Iloveshanej said:

@SassFrass‌ after almost two years of TTCing, both of us having IF issues (Clomid seemingly helps mine) and my husband not having any biological children of his own, he is willing to do anything!

@Momarazzi007‌, do you know who it was?

Well after 4 I am sure DH probably WOULD if it was suggested, but he would still give the side eye! We are in the same boat, no bio babies of his own, sooo he probably would, he is just SO skeptical about everything lol


My husband and I both have confirmed IF and have for almost 2 years.

CeCe8579

Momarazzi007 said:

yes, find that paper girl! i emailed nurse to see if i could get sooner

His urologist has the results. I'm going to have to look at my posts in December or January.

Momarazzi007

My nurse is out today, but I will update when we get it!

SassFrass

so far it is just me, hopefully it stays that way, I do not want to add anymore shit into our kettle pot...

and DH is too chicken shit to take an SA because it weirds him out lol

I didnt even know Clomid was offered to men though so I am curious as to others experiences too! I am learning SO much from this board!

CeCe8579

Momarazzi007 said:

My nurse is out today, but I will update when we get it!

Thanks babe!

CeCe8579

SassFrass said:

so far it is just me, hopefully it stays that way, I do not want to add anymore shit into our kettle pot...

and DH is too chicken shit to take an SA because it weirds him out lol

I didnt even know Clomid was offered to men though so I am curious as to others experiences too! I am learning SO much from this board!

You're on Clomid, right? They didn't check him before hand to make sure he didn't have any issues?

Momarazzi007

Iloveshanej said:

SassFrass said:

so far it is just me, hopefully it stays that way, I do not want to add anymore shit into our kettle pot...

and DH is too chicken shit to take an SA because it weirds him out lol

I didnt even know Clomid was offered to men though so I am curious as to others experiences too! I am learning SO much from this board!

You're on Clomid, right? They didn't check him before hand to make sure he didn't have any issues?

@SassFrass‌ I gotta jump in here- please tell me you aren't putting yourself through hell when it could be MFI...

freakyfast

Momarazzi007 said:

so far it is just me, hopefully it stays that way, I do not want to add anymore shit into our kettle pot...

and DH is too chicken shit to take an SA because it weirds him out lol

I didnt even know Clomid was offered to men though so I am curious as to others experiences too! I am learning SO much from this board!

You're on Clomid, right? They didn't check him before hand to make sure he didn't have any issues?

@SassFrass‌ I gotta jump in here- please tell me you aren't putting yourself through hell when it could be MFI...

Word!

SassFrass

I don't have an option... with the PCOS/IR I was just dx with and the endometriosis that I have had since 2010, my doctor said we need to try this first, and then if it doesn't work and I don't ovulate, then she will test DH, our doc's here will not, absolutely test the husband unless he has an existing medical condition... I don't live in the "BEST" town for apt medical care.... I def understand what yal are getting at though... I asked for an SA two years ago, and they said that how they function is to test the female first... and if nothing comes of it, THEN they will test the partner...

Please don't bash me, I just really do not have any other option right now, because we can't afford treatment, plus the cost of traveling to a descent RE... we live in BFE...

pettycrocker

ILSJ def xp this on primary IF, I see this come up a lot on that board, so I know it's a "thing" FX this will do the trick! 

GraceyandTroy

freakyfast said:

Momarazzi007 said:

so far it is just me, hopefully it stays that way, I do not want to add anymore shit into our kettle pot...

and DH is too chicken shit to take an SA because it weirds him out lol

I didnt even know Clomid was offered to men though so I am curious as to others experiences too! I am learning SO much from this board!

You're on Clomid, right? They didn't check him before hand to make sure he didn't have any issues?

@SassFrass‌ I gotta jump in here- please tell me you aren't putting yourself through hell when it could be MFI...

Word!

As I'm catching up here, I was thinking this same thing!!!  I know doing a SA isn't the funnest or most comfortable thing for a guy to do.  But if my husband refused to do it because he thought it was weird, all hell would break loose on him.  That is the least invasive, easiest IF related test to do.  Seriously, I wouldn't bother with ANY other treatment until we had his SA because what is the point of anything if there are no/slow/deformed swimmers?  

As far as clomid for MFI goes, I too remember someone recently saying they were using it @iloveshanej.  I don't remember who it was though.  But I'm excited for you that you guys have a plan to do something to move forward.

Momarazzi007

Not bashing you, just absolutely astounded at the incompetence if any doctor proceeding w meds when both parties have not been tested. Like @GraceyandTroy‌ said, least invasive and cheapest test- that they wouldn't do it or you can afford clomid over SA just seems foreign to me. I get that this apparently is a thing, I'm just a little surprised to be honest, not bashing.

SassFrass

The doctors in this area are greedy money whores, the more they can cost you, the happier they are... I do like my midwife, she is monitoring me, but per policy of the facility, she can't order a SA without trying to "fix" me first... I really don't understand why at this either... SA just seems so much easier, and less painful...

CeCe8579

I'm not bashing you not do I think anyone else. Clomid shouldn't be used a lot so if you have MFI issues as well then you are most likely wasting Clomid cycles because it won't matter if it helped you to ovulate if his sperm don't "work". Trust me, this is coming from very experienced ladies that have been through years of testing and treatments.

SassFrass

FWIW, I did just call the office and asked to send a message for the nurse to call me back.

I am going to ask about the SA, and see if we can go ahead and do it and basically point out that I want it done just so we know for sure, so we aren't wasting Clomid cycles for nothing... Idk if DH insurance will cover it or not, but it cant be that much out of pocket can it??

Sorry I am all flustered now... this whole situation stresses me the f out!

Momarazzi007

Iloveshanej said:

I'm not bashing you not do I think anyone else. Clomid shouldn't be used a lot so if you have MFI issues as well then you are most likely wasting Clomid cycles because it won't matter if it helped you to ovulate if his sperm don't "work". Trust me, this is coming from very experienced ladies that have been through years of testing and treatments.

Exactly

TLooney17

My husband takes clomid for MFI. Is there a specific questions about that?

CeCe8579

TLooney17 said:

My husband takes clomid for MFI. Is there a specific questions about that?

How long has he been on it and has it helped? What were his issues?

GraceyandTroy

SassFrass said:

FWIW, I did just call the office and asked to send a message for the nurse to call me back.

I am going to ask about the SA, and see if we can go ahead and do it and basically point out that I want it done just so we know for sure, so we aren't wasting Clomid cycles for nothing... Idk if DH insurance will cover it or not, but it cant be that much out of pocket can it??

Sorry I am all flustered now... this whole situation stresses me the f out!

Good!  It's so worth it!  Our insurance covered the SA, but we would have had to go to a specific lab and it was a huge hassle.  So, our RE offered a discount and did it for us for $50.  Well worth it!  

And just to clarify, you're CNMW is the one who is prescribing the clomid?  I don't understand that logic of fixing you first and not worrying about your husband.  Fertility is a two person issue.  Both partners have to be doing their part, both bodies need to be working.  I don't know that I would stay with a medical professional who didn't want to take into account the whole situation.  

I go to a midwife and she loves that western medicine is a great resource for testing and diagnosing an issue.  She doesn't discount it's value, but she obviously looks for other holistic and natural treatments.  She focuses on whole health with the idea that if everything is in balance and healthy, then a lot of health problems can resolve themselves.  In cases like PCOS, that's a good approach.  From what you've shared, I don't know if I would want to continue working with your midwife.  But, of course, you have a more full picture and I'm sure you'll do what's best for you and your family.

AprilDrew04

@Iloveshanej‌ - my DH was on clomid in 2009 to help sperm count. The clomid effects the testosterone, basically supposed to help if his testosterone levels are low. For my DH it did help, we went from infertile to technically having a high enough count to conceive naturally. DH also had vericocele repair after the clomid results were in. This time clomid did not have as great an effect for him. Hope it helps your DH though!

@SassFrass‌ - from my own personal experience don't put yourself through clomid without knowing for sure that DH's SA is normal. It is not worth it! There is an old IF saying MFI is easy to diagnose but harder to treat, FFI is hard to diagnose but easier to treat...this is why they almost always do a SA when your start IF testing.

Momarazzi007

AprilDrew04 said:

from my own personal experience don't put yourself through clomid without knowing for sure that DH's SA is normal. It is not worth it! There is an old IF saying MFI is easy to diagnose but harder to treat, FFI is hard to diagnose but easier to treat...this is why they almost always do a SA when your start IF testing.

All of this- yes! I tell my husband that all the time and he hates it lol!!!

=D>

Momarazzi007

@Iloveshanej‌ got email from nurse- says they don't run numbers on retrieval day, but I know that isn't true bc I have the numbers from last retrieval day. So I will ask doctor on Saturday. Ugh.

TLooney17

My DH has been taking clomid since December along with other supplements for MFI. His last SA before starting the clomid was Count: 1.7 million  per ml, Motility: 24% & Morphology 2 %.
It was prescribed by a uro who specializes in MFI. Our Re thought my DH's testosterone was in a normal range according to the tables that they look at. The uro said that the table he was comparing to was for men of an older age bracket, and that my DH's testosterone was low for his age.
His first follow up SA after 11 weeks was Count: 4 million per ml, 40% motility, Morphology 1%. HIs volume was also double the previous SA, so overall a lot  more sperm. We have another follow-up scheduled for May 9th, and the uro had high hopes for even better numbers.
We are hoping to move into a range where we can try iui instead of having our only option being ivf with icsi

MrsLaurenandDan

Good luck @TLooney17‌! And thanks for asking this @Iloveshanej‌. DH has his S/A Friday but three years ago they were borderline, so I'm nervous. It's good to know that there are options if it's bad.

CeCe8579

@TLooney17‌ did you DH's morphology go down? My DH has very low testosterone. His urologist is suggesting Clomid after more SAs. Sorry for all the questions but thanks for answering :-)

TLooney17

His has always been between 1-2%. I asked the uro about it going down, and he said that technically there is very small difference between 1 and 2%. He said in all actually it is probably the same. They look at such a small sample of sperm for it to be totally accurate. I actually got pregnant on my own when my husband had 2% morph. The uro and RE seemed to think the morph is the least thing to be concerned about.

Momarazzi007

@iloveshanej we got numbers today! He went from about 3 million last SA to 4.8 million. Motility went from 2% to 38 and morphogy can't remember but same jump to significantly better. This was really good!!! Best one ever for him! This is what he used (4 pills a day which makes a one month supply half a month- but is how a lot of men with more severe spleen counts use it- depends on your hub's numbers if you wanted to do that), couldn't hurt to try it or look at it! https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000FKMKRG

Sfulton50

Hello, My hubby is on Clomid now along with conception xr. He had testicular cancer and had to have one testicle removed. He was not producing after that so they have him on Clomid. Is first test came back still 0 after 3 months so they up it and added conception xr as said his surgery could still be messing him up. We go back in June. Praying there is something