My nursing experience with DS has thus far been night and day different than with DD. With her, we struggled with weight gain, poor latch, jaundice, and low supply for weeks before we got out act together. Bc of her low weight and big initial loss, we were waking to feed every 3 hours + pumping and supplementing. Eventually things got straightened out and we nursed for 19 mo, but it was tough there at first.
DS is soooooo mellow and easy going and came right out of the womb with a great latch! My milk came in on Day 3 and we are doing great nursing! He was a big guy a birth (9lb3oz) but some of that was water retention from the fluids they pumped into me before surgery (LC thinks he would have been more like 8lb13oz naturally). He was down to 8lb 3oz when we were discharged but the pediatrician wasn't concerned. And he is peeling and pooping like a champ so we know he is getting enough to eat.
ANYHOO, apologies for the back story... This guy cluster feeds like nobody's business from about 10pm-2am. It's basically eat / poop / eat / poop / eat / poop for hours on end with no real break for sleeping (and he's generally fussy at this time as well -- during the day, he's 100% mellow)...then he just conks out. For hours...today, he slept from 2am-7am (with me on the couch; unlike DD, he hates the PNP).
He has done this for the last 3 nights and it kind of freaks me out how long he'll sleep without eating, especially after our experience with DD. But he's also getting the recommended amount of feedings over 24 hours (10-12). Would y'all wake to feed during that time period if he's wanting to sleep 4 or 5 hours? Obviously it's great to get that chunk of sleep (basically the only sleep I'm getting), but I don't want him to go too long without milk, at the same time! I have a pediatrician appt on Monday and can talk with an LC there as well.
@AcaAwkward- DD went into a wild cluster feed from 10-3, and then slept till 9 when I was in the hospital. I tried to wake her to eat on two occasions, including stripping her down to a diaper and she would have none of it. The nurses said some babies just need it that way at times. She still does a late night cluster, but hasn't had that magical long stretch again. Color me jealous.
since he's such a big guy, I'd say it's fine to let him sleep. His stomach is probably bigger too, and he could already be on more of the 2-3month old schedule. DD1 was much larger and similarly ate/slept well at first. Plus, they'll tell you Monday if there are any weight gain concerns- until then I'd run with it.
(1) I pump for comfort in the first couple weeks if I'm super engorged and uncomfortable - as in I don't do a 20 minute session but I pump a few minutes after a feeding to get the rock hard feeling to go away for some relief. I don't *think* that's recommended but it's what works for me. After a couple weeks I start pumping maybe once a day to build a stash and have DH introduce bottle. DS took a bottle from the get-go, DD1 refused with all her might until she was 6 months old, and it looks like DD2 will take one but she doesn't love it or hate it. I've always been a decent pumper though. I don't know how much pumping it would take someone else to really build a stash. I can pump 4-6 ounces now in 10 min.
(2) I do have a fast letdown and I've always done like @Swerb said and had baby latch tummy to tummy and I lean back as much as I comfortably can. It also helps if I'm super engorged to either pump or hand express a little first.
(3) I don't wake baby to feed at all during the night (though I've never had to because my babies like to eat) in "normal" circumstance situations. But I did try to wake DD1 and feed her more during the day so she wouldn't cluster as much during the night.
Love this thread so much!
My nursing experience with DS has thus far been night and day different than with DD. With her, we struggled with weight gain, poor latch, jaundice, and low supply for weeks before we got out act together. Bc of her low weight and big initial loss, we were waking to feed every 3 hours + pumping and supplementing. Eventually things got straightened out and we nursed for 19 mo, but it was tough there at first.
DS is soooooo mellow and easy going and came right out of the womb with a great latch! My milk came in on Day 3 and we are doing great nursing! He was a big guy a birth (9lb3oz) but some of that was water retention from the fluids they pumped into me before surgery (LC thinks he would have been more like 8lb13oz naturally). He was down to 8lb 3oz when we were discharged but the pediatrician wasn't concerned. And he is peeling and pooping like a champ so we know he is getting enough to eat.
ANYHOO, apologies for the back story... This guy cluster feeds like nobody's business from about 10pm-2am. It's basically eat / poop / eat / poop / eat / poop for hours on end with no real break for sleeping (and he's generally fussy at this time as well -- during the day, he's 100% mellow)...then he just conks out. For hours...today, he slept from 2am-7am (with me on the couch; unlike DD, he hates the PNP).
He has done this for the last 3 nights and it kind of freaks me out how long he'll sleep without eating, especially after our experience with DD. But he's also getting the recommended amount of feedings over 24 hours (10-12). Would y'all wake to feed during that time period if he's wanting to sleep 4 or 5 hours? Obviously it's great to get that chunk of sleep (basically the only sleep I'm getting), but I don't want him to go too long without milk, at the same time! I have a pediatrician appt on Monday and can talk with an LC there as well.
Sounds like the cluster is leading to a longer sleep period which is what it's supposed to do. Often this happens later, like at 7-14 days but it may just be that you got in a nice rhythm more quickly with him. I'd also say go with it and then see how weight gain is, esp since his output is great and you're getting lots of sessions in over a 24 hr period.
One little suggestion- have you tried side lie nursing in bed instead of sleeping together on a couch? DS1 was a terrible sleeper and bed sharing was the only way we survived. Overall you can make your bed much safer than the couch though. Totally did couch sleeping too, so no judgement.
BFP#1 9/14/10 (EDD 5/21/11); no fetal pole 6w6d, 7w4d, d&c 10/8 BFP#2 3/16/11, beta 138; 4/12 Baby/HB DS born 9/10/11 at 29w4d due to partial abruption and PTL BFP#3 8/19/13 Another boy! 17P, modified bedrest and Nifedipine helped us have a termie! DS2 born 4/19/14 at 38w5d.
@haziedaze Side-laying nursing has always been really awkward for me but I may need to put some more effort into it with this one. I feel safer on the couch than in our bed bc DH is a SUPER heavy and active sleeper plus our dog sleeps in bed w/ us. Our couch is super deep - almost like a twin and a half w/o back cushions and we've made it up like a bed for me. Still makes me nervous though! My parents are currently sleeping in the nursery but I'll move up there after they leave if the bed-sharing continues!
What are your favorite brands for "nipple therapy"? I am a little overwhelmed at all my store options for healing sore nipples. I have EMAB butter, but what about nursing pillows (Boob Ease therapy pillows you can microwave or freeze) and gel soothies that cool on contact? There are SO many!
I got the bamboobies nipple soothing pillows. You can freeze or heat them. I really like them so far, they are super soft too.
When pumping is it ok if I fill the same bag with 1/2-1oz each day until I have about 4oz and then freeze it as long as it isn't sitting in the fridge for longer than 8 days? Or should I fill a new bag each day? Also, do the pump parts need to be sanitized in one of those microwaveable bags after each use or can I wash the parts with soap and water? How about the tubes-- do they need to be washed after every use?
When pumping is it ok if I fill the same bag with 1/2-1oz each day until I have about 4oz and then freeze it as long as it isn't sitting in the fridge for longer than 8 days? Or should I fill a new bag each day? Also, do the pump parts need to be sanitized in one of those microwaveable bags after each use or can I wash the parts with soap and water? How about the tubes-- do they need to be washed after every use?
You can put the parts (everything in contact with BM) in the fridge after each use during the day and then sanitize once per day, I usually sanitize late in the evening.
Hot soapy water is adequate to clean pump parts. Then sanitize once a week or so (tbh I never sanitized) you don't need to wash tubing. If it gets condensation it and it bugs you can run rubbing alcohol through it.
Mama to a little girl born July 2011 and a little boy born April 2014!
@Amsull324 the only thing is that you can't combine warm & cold milk- I'd use 2 bags- one for warm milk, one for cold- once it cools, add it to the cold bag & put the warm into the newly emptied.
@Amsull324 the only thing is that you can't combine warm & cold milk- I'd use 2 bags- one for warm milk, one for cold- once it cools, add it to the cold bag & put the warm into the newly emptied.
I had no idea I couldn't mix warm and cold milk. Thanks so much for the help.
@Amsull324 - In the NICU they just had us wash the parts (not including tubing) after each use with hot water and dish soap (they provided Palmolive). They never sanitized. I figure if that's okay in the NICU, that's okay for home. Maybe a once a week sanitization to make sure everything stays super clean and in good shape, but I'm not going to worry about it too much.
What are the rules on pumping and dumping? I want to enjoy some wine on my anniversary in a few days but I dont know what the rules are on alcohol consumption while breastfeeding.
If you're sober enough to drive you're sober enough to breastfeed. Newly post partum the wine will probably hit you hard,but one glass is nbd,no pump and dump required
Mama to a little girl born July 2011 and a little boy born April 2014!
What are the rules on pumping and dumping? I want to enjoy some wine on my anniversary in a few days but I dont know what the rules are on alcohol consumption while breastfeeding.
Your breast milk is dynamic, which means the alcohol content rises and falls with your BAC. If you have a glass of wine, drink it right after feeding and don't feed again for maybe 3 hours so the alcohol works its way out of your system. From everything I've heard, pump & dump wouldn't be necessary for a single alcohol serving and well timed feedings.
I could be dead wrong, though, and if I am I'd love for someone to please correct me! I forget where I learned this info but I'm not confident enough in it to say you should take my advice blindly.
For a glass ( or later two ) of wine you don't end need to worry about timing feedings. have your wine. Enjoy it. Feed your baby as you normally would.
Mama to a little girl born July 2011 and a little boy born April 2014!
Soooooooooo. The nursing/topping baby off with a bottle/pumping for 15 min after feeding routine the NICU LC had me on has created a shitstorm of an oversupply issue. For example, I just nursed her until she was full and asleep and HAD TO pump because I was still feeling borderline engorged. I ended up with over 2 oz pumped in about three minutes. I could have pumped more to be more comfortable but I'm terrified to stimulate even more milk production.
We had a weight check yesterday and she has gained 4 oz in two days since her hospital discharge. The pediatrician said it was fine to discontinue bottles and pumping, but now what do I do about all this milk and my poor boobs?
I've read up on some oversupply strategies on Kelly Mom and LLL websites, but was wondering if anyone had some firsthand advice about weaning from pumping and moving to exclusive breastfeeding? I know @haziedaze said block feeding worked, but I'm unsure how to determine how long to be feeding from one side? Any other tips and tricks?
I cannot wait until baby and mama milk equilibrium has been achieved. Oversupply is no joke! Ouch!
With block feeding it's best to start with small blocks (two hours maybe) and then go up from there. It can definitely reduce supply so be careful! Meanwhile you're right to just pump the minimal amount you need to feel comfortable.
Mama to a little girl born July 2011 and a little boy born April 2014!
Yeah, pumping 2oz after doing a complete feeding and STILL feeling engorged definitely sounds familiar!
I started by basically skipping one feed on a side, so I'd feed single sided for 2 feeds in a row. For the side I wasn't feeding from I did tons of cold compresses and hand expressed like 15-30ml MAX 1-2 times. You WANT that side to stay engorged because it slows down milk production. After 3-4 days I was still have crazy let down and the side I was feeding from was still engorged itself (other side felt like it was going to explode) so I went to 3 feedings per side. I think I'm pretty rare that I had to get that extreme with it, but after 2-3 days of that it was clear things we settling down, DS starting seeming more content after feeds and his poops went from slimy green to nice and yellow. I was totally scared about "wrecking" my supply, but in the end if you're nursing whenever baby seems hungry and baby is clearly sucking and swallowing milk at the breast, your body is getting plenty of signals to make milk.
BFP#1 9/14/10 (EDD 5/21/11); no fetal pole 6w6d, 7w4d, d&c 10/8 BFP#2 3/16/11, beta 138; 4/12 Baby/HB DS born 9/10/11 at 29w4d due to partial abruption and PTL BFP#3 8/19/13 Another boy! 17P, modified bedrest and Nifedipine helped us have a termie! DS2 born 4/19/14 at 38w5d.
It's a real shame you girls behaved so ignorantly. You could have had a wealth of information from AmyG but you'd rather live up to some mean girls status. Your only hurting yourselves and your breast feeding efforts.
It's a real shame you girls behaved so ignorantly. You could have had a wealth of information from AmyG but you'd rather live up to some mean girls status. Your only hurting yourselves and your breast feeding efforts.
Ummm no! We are already knew she was around and how to find her. There are enough moms here with previous experience that can give just as good, if not better advice than her.
You can leave now.
~Missed MC at 8 weeks. D&C at 12 weeks on 4/17/13~
This feed is so helpful!! What kind of pumps is everyone using? Pros, cons, etc? I have a medela, but also looking at ameda since my insurance will cover once baby is born. FTM just looking for feedback, thanks!
It's a real shame you girls behaved so ignorantly. You could have had a wealth of information from AmyG but you'd rather live up to some mean girls status. Your only hurting yourselves and your breast feeding efforts.
WTF? I don't see anyone here crying over not getting BFing advice from her. There's a BFing board that people are more than welcome to visit and AmyG can reign over there. Taking over our BMB when there are plenty of experienced moms here that share her "credentials" is unnecessary.
I can't C&P from mobile but evidently AmyG does have a "taking a break" post on the BFing board. Am I the only one who just thinks that's ridiculous? And I didn't mind her giving advice but for FFS stop living to give advice on TB. Go become a LC if it's that big of a deal to you. Help people IRL.
I can't C&P from mobile but evidently AmyG does have a "taking a break" post on the BFing board. Am I the only one who just thinks that's ridiculous? And I didn't mind her giving advice but for FFS stop living to give advice on TB. Go become a LC if it's that big of a deal to you. Help people IRL.
After looking around some, it looks like a bunch of people can't get A14 out of their mouths. Apparently we're bitches. Whatever! We don't need a stranger telling us what to do. Some people just don't like that (including myself). I'd rather hear it from ladies I've gotten to know over the past 9 months. Fuck the haters, A14 is awesome.
My daughter is a preemie. We were told to give her two fortified formula a day to help her gain weight. Well she is past her birth weight by over a pound now and I feel like I am just fattening her up. And then when I nurse her she gets frustrated almost like it's not coming out fast enough. I don't know how to describe except she is almost rooting with my nipple in her mouth and crying. So she's only nursing for about 15 minutes if that and she starts getting upset. Any suggestions?
My daughter is a preemie. We were told to give her two fortified formula a day to help her gain weight. Well she is past her birth weight by over a pound now and I feel like I am just fattening her up. And then when I nurse her she gets frustrated almost like it's not coming out fast enough. I don't know how to describe except she is almost rooting with my nipple in her mouth and crying. So she's only nursing for about 15 minutes if that and she starts getting upset. Any suggestions?
Was she getting the formula from a bottle? She may legit be frustrated at the breast flow compared to the quicker bottle flow. They have to work a lot harder at the breast. I'm sure someone with relative experience can chime in but I would just keep trying and try to keep a bottle away in the meantime. If you're still needing to supplement (doesn't sound like you are?) then do it with a dropper/syringe/other method.
@macgrs I never modified my diet while BFing, DD1 had no issues. She has a cashew allergy (hives, not anaphylaxis). I have a friend with a LO that had a bad reaction to everything through BM, so mom cut out everything nut, dairy, and I don't even know what else- seems like she was down to salt & peppered chicken on dry salad. That LO is now 4 with no allergies. IMO eat normally and if LO has stomach issues then start eliminating.
You do NOT need to give up any foods unless your baby shows signs of problems. I almost posted about this the other day just because it's such a common concern. If your baby seems chronically gassy, uncomfortable, or develops a red rash around their anus they may behaving some food protein problems, usually (almost always) it's soy or milk. Milk is the first thing to eliminate if you havea problem,but MOST babies will do just fine, so there's reallyno point in doing it proactively.
Most foods don't come through in your milk. Foods that may make you gassy (broccoli or whatever) will not make your baby gassy.
Btw Kelly mom is loaded with SO MUCH good info. They're always my first stop when I have a question.
Lll experiences vary a lot by chapter. I suggest feeling out your local one at a meeting. They do kind of have a rep for not being very working mom friendly, but they aren't all like that and a lot of them really do just want to help.
Mama to a little girl born July 2011 and a little boy born April 2014!
Experienced shield users.... Lucas is getting super lazy with his latch, barely opening his mouth, and it's not a very wide latch. He bites down and rips the shield off.
2 things: is there a way to get the shield to stay on the boob better than a little water, and any suggestions on stopping the bite and rip? (When he rips the shield off, it doesn't hurt)
It's back to taking him a good 15 minutes just to latch and again... It's a sucky latch.
Lactose intolerance is different than what babies usually have, which is milk protein intolerance. Even breast milk contains lactose, so true lactose intolerance in babies and children is extremely rare. It's usually something that happens as we get older and our bodies stop producing the necessary whatever it is to process the lactose.
Mama to a little girl born July 2011 and a little boy born April 2014!
Re: The Great Big Breastfeeding Thread
My nursing experience with DS has thus far been night and day different than with DD. With her, we struggled with weight gain, poor latch, jaundice, and low supply for weeks before we got out act together. Bc of her low weight and big initial loss, we were waking to feed every 3 hours + pumping and supplementing. Eventually things got straightened out and we nursed for 19 mo, but it was tough there at first.
DS is soooooo mellow and easy going and came right out of the womb with a great latch! My milk came in on Day 3 and we are doing great nursing! He was a big guy a birth (9lb3oz) but some of that was water retention from the fluids they pumped into me before surgery (LC thinks he would have been more like 8lb13oz naturally). He was down to 8lb 3oz when we were discharged but the pediatrician wasn't concerned. And he is peeling and pooping like a champ so we know he is getting enough to eat.
ANYHOO, apologies for the back story... This guy cluster feeds like nobody's business from about 10pm-2am. It's basically eat / poop / eat / poop / eat / poop for hours on end with no real break for sleeping (and he's generally fussy at this time as well -- during the day, he's 100% mellow)...then he just conks out. For hours...today, he slept from 2am-7am (with me on the couch; unlike DD, he hates the PNP).
He has done this for the last 3 nights and it kind of freaks me out how long he'll sleep without eating, especially after our experience with DD. But he's also getting the recommended amount of feedings over 24 hours (10-12). Would y'all wake to feed during that time period if he's wanting to sleep 4 or 5 hours? Obviously it's great to get that chunk of sleep (basically the only sleep I'm getting), but I don't want him to go too long without milk, at the same time! I have a pediatrician appt on Monday and can talk with an LC there as well.
since he's such a big guy, I'd say it's fine to let him sleep. His stomach is probably bigger too, and he could already be on more of the 2-3month old schedule. DD1 was much larger and similarly ate/slept well at first. Plus, they'll tell you Monday if there are any weight gain concerns- until then I'd run with it.
glad you're loving them. Are yours always steamed up?
glad you're loving them. Are yours always steamed up?
Lol! That's funny, sorry im immature!
Not steamed up but covered in milk from my let down. The little pad on the inside is soaked!
(1) I pump for comfort in the first couple weeks if I'm super engorged and uncomfortable - as in I don't do a 20 minute session but I pump a few minutes after a feeding to get the rock hard feeling to go away for some relief. I don't *think* that's recommended but it's what works for me. After a couple weeks I start pumping maybe once a day to build a stash and have DH introduce bottle. DS took a bottle from the get-go, DD1 refused with all her might until she was 6 months old, and it looks like DD2 will take one but she doesn't love it or hate it. I've always been a decent pumper though. I don't know how much pumping it would take someone else to really build a stash. I can pump 4-6 ounces now in 10 min.
(2) I do have a fast letdown and I've always done like @Swerb said and had baby latch tummy to tummy and I lean back as much as I comfortably can. It also helps if I'm super engorged to either pump or hand express a little first.
(3) I don't wake baby to feed at all during the night (though I've never had to because my babies like to eat) in "normal" circumstance situations. But I did try to wake DD1 and feed her more during the day so she wouldn't cluster as much during the night.
One little suggestion- have you tried side lie nursing in bed instead of sleeping together on a couch? DS1 was a terrible sleeper and bed sharing was the only way we survived. Overall you can make your bed much safer than the couch though. Totally did couch sleeping too, so no judgement.
BFP#2 3/16/11, beta 138; 4/12 Baby/HB DS born 9/10/11 at 29w4d due to partial abruption and PTL
BFP#3 8/19/13 Another boy! 17P, modified bedrest and Nifedipine helped us have a termie! DS2 born 4/19/14 at 38w5d.
When pumping is it ok if I fill the same bag with 1/2-1oz each day until I have about 4oz and then freeze it as long as it isn't sitting in the fridge for longer than 8 days? Or should I fill a new bag each day?
Also, do the pump parts need to be sanitized in one of those microwaveable bags after each use or can I wash the parts with soap and water? How about the tubes-- do they need to be washed after every use?
In the NICU they just had us wash the parts (not including tubing) after each use with hot water and dish soap (they provided Palmolive). They never sanitized. I figure if that's okay in the NICU, that's okay for home. Maybe a once a week sanitization to make sure everything stays super clean and in good shape, but I'm not going to worry about it too much.
I could be dead wrong, though, and if I am I'd love for someone to please correct me! I forget where I learned this info but I'm not confident enough in it to say you should take my advice blindly.
We had a weight check yesterday and she has gained 4 oz in two days since her hospital discharge. The pediatrician said it was fine to discontinue bottles and pumping, but now what do I do about all this milk and my poor boobs?
I've read up on some oversupply strategies on Kelly Mom and LLL websites, but was wondering if anyone had some firsthand advice about weaning from pumping and moving to exclusive breastfeeding? I know @haziedaze said block feeding worked, but I'm unsure how to determine how long to be feeding from one side? Any other tips and tricks?
I cannot wait until baby and mama milk equilibrium has been achieved. Oversupply is no joke! Ouch!
Yeah, pumping 2oz after doing a complete feeding and STILL feeling engorged definitely sounds familiar!
I started by basically skipping one feed on a side, so I'd feed single sided for 2 feeds in a row. For the side I wasn't feeding from I did tons of cold compresses and hand expressed like 15-30ml MAX 1-2 times. You WANT that side to stay engorged because it slows down milk production. After 3-4 days I was still have crazy let down and the side I was feeding from was still engorged itself (other side felt like it was going to explode) so I went to 3 feedings per side. I think I'm pretty rare that I had to get that extreme with it, but after 2-3 days of that it was clear things we settling down, DS starting seeming more content after feeds and his poops went from slimy green to nice and yellow. I was totally scared about "wrecking" my supply, but in the end if you're nursing whenever baby seems hungry and baby is clearly sucking and swallowing milk at the breast, your body is getting plenty of signals to make milk.
BFP#2 3/16/11, beta 138; 4/12 Baby/HB DS born 9/10/11 at 29w4d due to partial abruption and PTL
BFP#3 8/19/13 Another boy! 17P, modified bedrest and Nifedipine helped us have a termie! DS2 born 4/19/14 at 38w5d.
Ummm no! We are already knew she was around and how to find her. There are enough moms here with previous experience that can give just as good, if not better advice than her.
You can leave now.
I love this thread and I haven't given birth as yet. Very helpful.
for LLL, I've heard it really varies by group.
2 things: is there a way to get the shield to stay on the boob better than a little water, and any suggestions on stopping the bite and rip? (When he rips the shield off, it doesn't hurt)
It's back to taking him a good 15 minutes just to latch and again... It's a sucky latch.
for how much to give him, they really don't take much at a time so young, probably only 1-2 oz. every 2-3 hrs, otherwise just on demand.
I'm not sure the difference between flat vs short nipples, but this might help to draw them out: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000BUTD3E?pc_redir=1396502097&robot_redir=1