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New to this board! Ovidrel question... Update (ultrasound this morning)

ann324ann324 member
edited March 2014 in Trouble TTC

Hi all!

I am new to this board -- actively trying for two years.  I've been lurking for some time and learning new things as I go through this (stressful) journey.

I do have a question:  I am starting my second round of Clomid/ovidrel with timed intercourse.  Last month I did this with an ultrasound on cd12 and got the ok for the ovidrel injection.  My OBGYN office doesn't do ultrasounds for the second or third cycle, but uses the information from the last month.  Is this weird or standard?

When I called to make an appointment for the ovidrel injection for Friday which is day cd 12 again -- the nurse said typically they do cd 15 (standard protocol) but if I am more comfortable with cd12 to go ahead with that.  I feel so weird deciding this... Last month I did my clomid in the morning but this month I am doing it at night (not sure if this makes a difference).  Has anyone been in this situation before?  I'm afraid that cd 12 is too early or that cd 15 will be too late...

Ann

Hi -

I never updated a post before - so I hope this works.  I did have an ultrasound this morning and I am glad I scheduled one.  I didn't end up getting the ovidrel shot because they found a large cyst.  If I didn't have this ultrasound I would have had the injection and this cycle probably wouldn't have been successful.  I have a follow up appointment with my OBGYN about the cyst this week.  Super frustrating, but glad I had the ultrasound.  Has anyone ever had cysts due to clomid?  I'm guessing that may be the reason...  They did not find any cysts on my last ultrasound. 


Thanks

Ann

Re: New to this board! Ovidrel question... Update (ultrasound this morning)

  • Yes, this is weird.  Your body can respond very differently each cycle so it's rather disconcerting that they only do monitoring on the first cycle.  However, you are seeing an OBGYN and they aren't infertility specialists.  I would advocate HEAVILY for monitoring this cycle an make an appointment with an RE.  You really need to see a specialist and get the full suite of testing completed as well.
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    Married since May, 2012; TTC since September, 2012
    DX: Blocked Fallopian Tube, Hashimoto's
    March 2014 - Clomid, Trigger, TI = BFN, April 2014 - Clomid, Trigger, TI = BFN, May 2014 - Clomid, estrogen, trigger, IUI = BFN, June & July 2014 - Natural cycles = BFN, August 2014 - Femara, estrogen, trigger, IUI = BFN, September 2014 - Femara, estrogen, trigger, IUI = BFN
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  • Exactly what Katie said.  When you take clomid, you should have monitoring appointments.  You should have an ultrasound and bloodwork at a minimum.  I do not believe there is a way to tell if your body is even responding to the medicine without bloodwork and an ultrasound.
    Married on October 20, 2012.  Began trying in January 2013.
    RE appointment & testing December 2013 - February 2014= Unexplained IF, possible endometriosis
    IUI#1- March 22 (100mg clomid, 75 mg of Bravelle, Ovidrel trigger) = BFP!!!



  • I agree with you guys completely.   I did call and talked to my nurse about  scheduling a v-ultrasound for Friday. 

    I want to have the "ok" for the ovidrel and know how many/sizes follies I have (if any).  I don't want to be scared to have intercourse because I don't have the information I need.  I won't be referred to a specialist until I do this process three times.... Hopefully this cycle will take. 

    Thanks again for the responses!

    Ann

  • Yes, they should still monitor you the same like the girls above said. As I learned today at my monitoring appointment (which I posted about) for Letrozole, even though your body responds a certain way in one or two or three cycles, that still doesn't mean the next cycle will be the same. Every cycle is different.

    Welcome, though, and good luck!!

    Me: 32  DH: 33  Married: March 2004

    July 2006: started TTC
    2008: HSG (normal), couple rounds of clomid through gyno
    2008 - 2010: dragging my feet out of fear and procrastination
    October 2010: first consultation with RE, dx PCOS and fibroids (DH slightly low count/motility)
    Oct. 2010 - Dec. 2012:  In DENIAL! avoided the issue because I was scared of surgery
    January 2013: returned to RE, fibroids grew significantly
    February 2013: second HSG, fibroids pushed on tubes which blocked them somewhat
    March 2013: MRI to determine what type of surgery may be necessary

    July 29, 2013: fibroids (5) removed via robotic laparascopy
    August 2013 - Nov 2013 : benched due to recent surgery

    IUI #1, Dec. 24, 2013, BFN 
    IUI #2, Jan. 25, 2014, BFN
    IUI #3, Feb. 25, 2014  BFN
    IUI #4 canceled due to lack of response to letrozole
    IUI #4.1 April 28, 2014, BFN

    May 16, 2014: wtf consult, start prepping for IVF in June and add injects for one last IUI in the meantime
    IUI #5 started letrozole and bravelle but canceled after HSG led to new diagnosis

    May 21, 2014: third HSG, tubes blocked, one at the beginning, one hydrosalpinx??
    June 11, 2014: consult, approved to move on to IVF because the hydro is not completely blocked therefore allowing fluid to move through slowly rather than backwards
    IVF #1 August 8, 2014 - 3dt of 2 embryos, BFN
    September 17, 2014 - 4th HSG, the right tube is very patent (open!!) dye went straight through this time. Weird!
    October 2, 2014 - started metformin treatment
    November 14, 2014 - blood work, brought A1C down from 5.8 to 5.5

    November 26, 2014 - RE finally back from vaca and reviewed my chart, no more IVFs for rest of calendar year
    December 1, 2014 - Right after Thanksgiving, I called a new clinic and got in right away! Plan for IVF
    December 17, 2014 - ER! 29 retrieved (!!), 16 mature, all 16 fertilized (ICSI)

    IVF #2 December 20, 2014 - 3dt of 3 embryos, BFN

    We are done with treatment unsuccessfully. :(


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  • I'll just echo what everyone else said.  There is no point in triggering if you don't know if you even have any mature follies.  Or worse, you have too many mature follies and end up with HOM.  Glad you called about an u/s.  Good luck. 

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    DX: PCOS, Stage III Endo, slight Adenomyosis, blocked tube, and probable LPD

    Treatments:  6 Months Lupron Depot injections; 1500 mg metformin; 3 cycles of Clomid + TI = BFN

    3 endometrial biopsies all were "out of phase" 

    September - December, 2013:  Break to lose weight and get healthy

    40 lb weight loss but still not ovulating "in phase"  

    February - March 2014: bcps + follistim + trigger + TI = BFP

     Beta #1 (12dpo): 30; Beta #2 (18dpo): 500; Beta #3 (25dpo): 7,000!!! 

    1st u/s 4/16: One beautiful hb at 144 bmp 

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  • I agree! I want a baby...but septuplets might be a bit much.
  • This is very weird! My RE won't give clomid without scheduling an appointment for an ultrasound. The clomid can hyper stimulate your ovaries you can release several eggs at once. You can produce so many that it becomes dangerous for your ovary. I think it might be time for a new RE!
  • DharmaChickDharmaChick member
    edited March 2014
    Welcome!  I hope that you find the support you need here.

    Yes, this is weird, and I agree with the other comments here.  My cycles have varied dramatically from month to month.  In fact, if I didn't have my ultrasounds this month, I wouldn't have known that I didn't respond at all to the Clomid this time around.  Triggering and IUI would have been a huge waste, because there were no mature follies there.

    For each cycle, I have consistently had an u/s on CDay3, before starting Clomid (for me, that is day 5-9) and on CDay12, then it has been every few days to check on follie progress and to ensure that there are no cysts.  For me, even in cycles where I have shown a response, CDay12 would have been way too early to trigger, because my follie growth has been slower.

    I would definitely push for monitoring, or find an RE.
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    ME: 34, Atypical PCOS (lean, no O without meds) + unexplained; DH: 33, mildly low motility
    09/2012: Start TTC after stopping NuvaRing.  No cycles seemed to occur.
    01/2013 - 05/2013: Tried Provera to "jumpstart" cycles. No luck.
    12/2013-
    01/2014: Clomid 50mg - no big follies, stepped to 100mg; One mature follie, Ovidrel (HCG trigger), IUI #1 completed - BFN
    02/2014: Clomid 100mg;
    One mature follie, Ovidrel trigger, IUI #2 completed, Crinone - BFN
    03/2014: Clomid 100mg -
    no big follies on 1st round, 2nd round prescribed; One mature follie, Ovidrel, IUI #3 completed, Crinone - BFN
    04/2014-05/2014: Letrozole 5mg + Ovidrel HG to prep for IUI #4 switched to TI, Crinone - BFN
    05/2014-06/2014: Letrozole 5mg; one mature follie,
    Ovidrel, IUI #4.1 completed, Crinone - BFN
    07/2014-08/2014: Letrozole 5mg; one mature follie,
    Ovidrel, IUI #5 completed, Crinone - BFN
    09/2014-10/2014: IVF Prep - Insurance requires IUI #6;
    Letrozole 5mg - no big follies 1st round, 2nd round prescribed; IUI #6, Crinone - BFN
    11/2014: "Break" - Letrozole 5mg to cycle before prepping for IVF - successfully O'ed, but BFN
    12/2014: Extending 'break' one more Letrozole-only TI cycle for mental health break - BFN
    01/2015-
    02/2015: Prep for IVF - BCP then Gonal-F, Ganirelex, Novarel trigger;  ER scheduled 2/11!
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