Dare I ask why?

JennyCupcakes01

Reading these articles about a measles outbreak, it sparked some curiosity as to why people do not vaccinate.

Have these people actually done extensive research and decided not vaccinating was best for their child? Or are you following a new trend? 

I did not hesitate to get my son vaccinated and will continue to do so. However, I am curious as to what reasoning parents have in not vaccinating.

And I understand this is the umpteenth time vaccinations have been brought up on the community boards. Fact is, I'm lazy and do not care to shuffle through thousands of comments.

Let the arguments begin!

Mimaloo

Because twits like Jenny McCarthy and Kristin Cavallari come out and say that vaccines cause autism because they're like, "omg I had a kid and now I'm an expert on everything baby related."

Then bigger twits listen to them and follow suit. 

That's my guess.  

PrimRoseMama

Selfish, ignorant & intolerant asshats. [-(

KateLouise

Because people think their "research" of reading some completely biased blogs and books that shriek about the evils of vaccines and the drug company giants, is comparable to actual research. 

Because, you know the scientific, peer-reviewed research is nothing compared to the super-sleuthing of using google.

mysticl

Because they haven't seen the devastating effects of these diseases and then they read a blog posing as an article that tells them about the horrors of vaccines and the "injuries" they cause.  So they decide the risk of injury is far greater than the risk of a disease that they have never experienced.  

As a child I had a friend who had fairly significant reaction to the DPT shot.  As a result he could not receive that vaccine.  Instead of shouting about the dangers of vaccines his mother lived with the fear of him contracting tetanus.  There was a special tetanus vaccine he could receive without the ingredient he was allergic to.  So if he was injured he had to immediately go to the doctor so arrangements could be made to have the special vaccine shipped in.  Obviously there was very tight window in which to get him the vaccine.  

awc1986

Hey, y'know what happened before vaccinations were developed and made widely available? Shitloads of people died from preventable diseases. 

Y'know what happens today in areas where vaccines are not widely available? Shitloads of people are still dying from preventable diseases. 

Some people need to get their heads out of their backsides and realise the resources they have. EVERYTHING "causes autism" nowadays. The fact that people are willing to believe ex-playboy bunnies over scientists it's beyond terrifying. 

Here in the UK, there was a huge uproar about the MMR vaccine causing autism. Consequently many children didn't receive it. Guess what happened. The paper was proven wrong, the Dr who wrote it was struck off and now we have a backlog of absolute morons who are rushing to get their children vaccinated because they followed the herd. 

Don't be a dick. Vaccinate your child.

Rrrrrachel

There are lots of reasons. I don't agree with any of them,but they're very compelling for the people who believe them. A lot of them have nothing to do with autism. And then yeah, there are some people who are just going along with a trend or trying to improve their natural parenting chops.

mysticl

awc1986 said:

Hey, y'know what happened before vaccinations were developed and made widely available? Shitloads of people died from preventable diseases. 

Y'know what happens today in areas where vaccines are not widely available? Shitloads of people are still dying from preventable diseases. 

Some people need to get their heads out of their backsides and realise the resources they have. EVERYTHING "causes autism" nowadays. The fact that people are willing to believe ex-playboy bunnies over scientists it's beyond terrifying. 

Here in the UK, there was a huge uproar about the MMR vaccine causing autism. Consequently many children didn't receive it. Guess what happened. The paper was proven wrong, the Dr who wrote it was struck off and now we have a backlog of absolute morons who are rushing to get their children vaccinated because they followed the herd. 

Don't be a dick. Vaccinate your child.

It's the vaccines that made them preventable.  So prior to vaccines being developed and made widely available the diseases weren't preventable.  Other than trying to avoid infected people which only does so much since people can be contagious before they are symptomatic.  They were a part of childhood and you just managed the symptoms the best you could and prayed your child/children didn't die.  

Abcollins57

I would love to know what these non-vac believing parents feed their children? If vaccinations are now the cause of autism and possibly many other neurological diseases, what can be said about the food we eat?

awc1986

mysticl said:

awc1986 said:

Hey, y'know what happened before vaccinations were developed and made widely available? Shitloads of people died from preventable diseases. 

Y'know what happens today in areas where vaccines are not widely available? Shitloads of people are still dying from preventable diseases. 

Some people need to get their heads out of their backsides and realise the resources they have. EVERYTHING "causes autism" nowadays. The fact that people are willing to believe ex-playboy bunnies over scientists it's beyond terrifying. 

Here in the UK, there was a huge uproar about the MMR vaccine causing autism. Consequently many children didn't receive it. Guess what happened. The paper was proven wrong, the Dr who wrote it was struck off and now we have a backlog of absolute morons who are rushing to get their children vaccinated because they followed the herd. 

Don't be a dick. Vaccinate your child.

It's the vaccines that made them preventable.  So prior to vaccines being developed and made widely available the diseases weren't preventable.  Other than trying to avoid infected people which only does so much since people can be contagious before they are symptomatic.  They were a part of childhood and you just managed the symptoms the best you could and prayed your child/children didn't die.  

...which was my point. The diseases can be prevented by vaccinations. They were always preventable, but we didn't have the right tools or knowledge. Now we have those, people are choosing to ignore it based on here say and stupid advice from bimbos. I can't work out if you were agreeing or disagreeing with me.

aaroberts33

Different parents have different reasons.  The austim thing is a big one now a days.  My boss is actually one that has chosen not to vaccinate her son.  She is one that has done EXTENSIVE research.  She is a very wholistic person and believes the chemicals within the vacines can damage her son.  This is her choice.  Everything should be all natural in her book and she goes to great lengths to make sure it is.  But then you have the people they do it just because they heard from a cousin of an aunt's sister's best friend that it wasn't good for the baby.  That is stupidity in my opinion.

Pepper6

I just read another article about the whole Kristin Cavallari thing and she said in addition to there (falsely, but of course she hasn't read any of the thousands of studies debunking it) being links to autism, it can also cause ear infections...

OH THE HORROR of an EAR INFECTION.  Because that's clearly so much worse than the fucking measles....

JennyCupcakes01

I was having this discussion with my boyfriend a few days ago.

Close friends of my bf has a 3 week old and they told us they were not vaccinating. I SO badly wanted to just ask them why, but I lack doing so in a polite manner so I kept my mouth shut. But one of the things discussed with my bf was that there is no doubt celebrities set trends. And it makes me wonder, who is the real idiot? The celebrity? Or the people absorbing their bullshit?

I just don't understand how the risk of getting the measles outweighs the possible risk of a vaccine preventing it.

jenb_99

For some people it has nothing to do with health; it's about control. They don't want anyone telling them how to care for their families, so they go out of their way to do the opposite. I consider this mindset a mental illness.

dragonfly711

I am curious if the parents that do not vaccinate their children, if they have pets do they vaccinate their pets?  

From working at an animal hospital for years there was always a vaccine debate with pets too.  

Just wondering.  

chirico3

jennish11 said:

The autism connect has been debunked... but that's not getting as much press as the celebrities who are not-vaccinating.

There are medical reasons for not vaccinating - some diseases and allergies actually can make it dangerous. 

There are also people who feel that the chemicals in the vaccines can be dangerous.  In Washington State there is a large community of people on Vashon Island who are very natural and wholistic and don't vaccinate - they get outbreaks every now and then.

For us, we are not anti-vax, but we also are not going to hand our child over and say "shoot them up with whatever!"... we are going through each and every vaccine and researching the pros and cons and the diseases they prevent so we know exactly what our child is getting pumped into their system. 

I agree that people shouldn't be anti-vaccine just because a bunch of internet websites say not to.
But I also think that you shouldn't just vaccine for the same reason. 
Either way, you should do your research and talk to your pediatrician.

This!
Premise: I am not against vaccinations - at all.
Here in Italy 4 vaccinations are mandatory, and the others are recommended. But they give one shot with 6 vaccinations. Why the other two, if they aren't mandatory? and why I can't find the single mandatory vaccines?
Besides, there is some shady reports on how the vaccine for Hepatitis B became mandatory in 1991 (money to the minister from Big Pharma, as recognized in trials).
And why the pediatrician asks the parent to sign a form that states that if something happens to the baby after vaccination, that's not the Pediatrician or State's fault, but it's only parents' responsibility, because they authorized the vaccinations?

The most difficoult thing is that often official studies are sponsored by Big Pharma companies, so they might be biased. But on the other hand studies opposing vaccinations are not scientifically reliable. So one is left wandering: what is best for my son/daughter?
I'll vaccinate my daughter with the 4 mandatory, and a few more before she goes to daycare, but I'd really love if there was more clarity on this whole matter

WashingtonQueen

chirico3 said:

jennish11 said:

The autism connect has been debunked... but that's not getting as much press as the celebrities who are not-vaccinating.

There are medical reasons for not vaccinating - some diseases and allergies actually can make it dangerous. 

There are also people who feel that the chemicals in the vaccines can be dangerous.  In Washington State there is a large community of people on Vashon Island who are very natural and wholistic and don't vaccinate - they get outbreaks every now and then.

For us, we are not anti-vax, but we also are not going to hand our child over and say "shoot them up with whatever!"... we are going through each and every vaccine and researching the pros and cons and the diseases they prevent so we know exactly what our child is getting pumped into their system. 

I agree that people shouldn't be anti-vaccine just because a bunch of internet websites say not to.
But I also think that you shouldn't just vaccine for the same reason. 
Either way, you should do your research and talk to your pediatrician.

This!
Premise: I am not against vaccinations - at all.
Here in Italy 4 vaccinations are mandatory, and the others are recommended. But they give one shot with 6 vaccinations. Why the other two, if they aren't mandatory? and why I can't find the single mandatory vaccines?
Besides, there is some shady reports on how the vaccine for Hepatitis B became mandatory in 1991 (money to the minister from Big Pharma, as recognized in trials).
And why the pediatrician asks the parent to sign a form that states that if something happens to the baby after vaccination, that's not the Pediatrician or State's fault, but it's only parents' responsibility, because they authorized the vaccinations?

The most difficoult thing is that often official studies are sponsored by Big Pharma companies, so they might be biased. But on the other hand studies opposing vaccinations are not scientifically reliable. So one is left wandering: what is best for my son/daughter?
I'll vaccinate my daughter with the 4 mandatory, and a few more before she goes to daycare, but I'd really love if there was more clarity on this whole matter

____________

There a plenty of clarity. Only an idiot would think the government is out to get us all.

Weezy56

aaroberts33 said:

Different parents have different reasons.  The austim thing is a big one now a days.  My boss is actually one that has chosen not to vaccinate her son.  She is one that has done EXTENSIVE research.  She is a very wholistic person and believes the chemicals within the vacines can damage her son.  This is her choice.  Everything should be all natural in her book and she goes to great lengths to make sure it is.  But then you have the people they do it just because they heard from a cousin of an aunt's sister's best friend that it wasn't good for the baby.  That is stupidity in my opinion.

I would love to see your boss's "research". Just wanting to be all natural as a reason to not vaccinate is just as stupid.

chirico3

____________ There a plenty of clarity. Only an idiot would think the government is out to get us all.

I don't think the government is out to get us.
But as it happened here, corrupted people take money from Big Pharma to authorize drugs which later on are recalled because risks outweigh advantages.
And the HepB vaccine here was approved under these circumstances - people were recognized guilty for this. The first doses of this vaccine have been shown to be ineffective, and lots of kids who were vaccinated at the time will probably have to be again. With today's HepB vaccine it seems there aren't these problems.

Obviously I am talking about a very local and specific problem, but with the corruption that pervades everything in my Country, how can one even trust anyone? And I am not saying I trust homeopathic vaccines, which are not backed by any clinical studies!

mysticl

awc1986 said:

mysticl said:

awc1986 said:

Hey, y'know what happened before vaccinations were developed and made widely available? Shitloads of people died from preventable diseases. 

Y'know what happens today in areas where vaccines are not widely available? Shitloads of people are still dying from preventable diseases. 

Some people need to get their heads out of their backsides and realise the resources they have. EVERYTHING "causes autism" nowadays. The fact that people are willing to believe ex-playboy bunnies over scientists it's beyond terrifying. 

Here in the UK, there was a huge uproar about the MMR vaccine causing autism. Consequently many children didn't receive it. Guess what happened. The paper was proven wrong, the Dr who wrote it was struck off and now we have a backlog of absolute morons who are rushing to get their children vaccinated because they followed the herd. 

Don't be a dick. Vaccinate your child.

It's the vaccines that made them preventable.  So prior to vaccines being developed and made widely available the diseases weren't preventable.  Other than trying to avoid infected people which only does so much since people can be contagious before they are symptomatic.  They were a part of childhood and you just managed the symptoms the best you could and prayed your child/children didn't die.  

...which was my point. The diseases can be prevented by vaccinations. They were always preventable, but we didn't have the right tools or knowledge. Now we have those, people are choosing to ignore it based on here say and stupid advice from bimbos. I can't work out if you were agreeing or disagreeing with me.

When you make a statement that the diseases were preventable prior to vaccines it makes it sound like you are saying the disease could be prevented before vaccines were invented and therefore vaccines aren't needed.  That's the kind of thing anti-vaxers hear and run with.  So I was disagreeing with that statement because we could not prevent the disease before vaccines were invented but agreeing with everything else. 

awc1986

mysticl said:

awc1986 said:

mysticl said:

awc1986 said:

Hey, y'know what happened before vaccinations were developed and made widely available? Shitloads of people died from preventable diseases. 

Y'know what happens today in areas where vaccines are not widely available? Shitloads of people are still dying from preventable diseases. 

Some people need to get their heads out of their backsides and realise the resources they have. EVERYTHING "causes autism" nowadays. The fact that people are willing to believe ex-playboy bunnies over scientists it's beyond terrifying. 

Here in the UK, there was a huge uproar about the MMR vaccine causing autism. Consequently many children didn't receive it. Guess what happened. The paper was proven wrong, the Dr who wrote it was struck off and now we have a backlog of absolute morons who are rushing to get their children vaccinated because they followed the herd. 

Don't be a dick. Vaccinate your child.

It's the vaccines that made them preventable.  So prior to vaccines being developed and made widely available the diseases weren't preventable.  Other than trying to avoid infected people which only does so much since people can be contagious before they are symptomatic.  They were a part of childhood and you just managed the symptoms the best you could and prayed your child/children didn't die.  

...which was my point. The diseases can be prevented by vaccinations. They were always preventable, but we didn't have the right tools or knowledge. Now we have those, people are choosing to ignore it based on here say and stupid advice from bimbos. I can't work out if you were agreeing or disagreeing with me.

When you make a statement that the diseases were preventable prior to vaccines it makes it sound like you are saying the disease could be prevented before vaccines were invented and therefore vaccines aren't needed.  That's the kind of thing anti-vaxers hear and run with.  So I was disagreeing with that statement because we could not prevent the disease before vaccines were invented but agreeing with everything else. 

I think you've misinterpreted the term "preventable diseases". It's not literal. I'm sort of confused that you've never heard this term before. It's used quite a lot in this capacity.

mysticl

awc1986 said:

mysticl said:

awc1986 said:

mysticl said:

awc1986 said:

Hey, y'know what happened before vaccinations were developed and made widely available? Shitloads of people died from preventable diseases. 

Y'know what happens today in areas where vaccines are not widely available? Shitloads of people are still dying from preventable diseases. 

Some people need to get their heads out of their backsides and realise the resources they have. EVERYTHING "causes autism" nowadays. The fact that people are willing to believe ex-playboy bunnies over scientists it's beyond terrifying. 

Here in the UK, there was a huge uproar about the MMR vaccine causing autism. Consequently many children didn't receive it. Guess what happened. The paper was proven wrong, the Dr who wrote it was struck off and now we have a backlog of absolute morons who are rushing to get their children vaccinated because they followed the herd. 

Don't be a dick. Vaccinate your child.

It's the vaccines that made them preventable.  So prior to vaccines being developed and made widely available the diseases weren't preventable.  Other than trying to avoid infected people which only does so much since people can be contagious before they are symptomatic.  They were a part of childhood and you just managed the symptoms the best you could and prayed your child/children didn't die.  

...which was my point. The diseases can be prevented by vaccinations. They were always preventable, but we didn't have the right tools or knowledge. Now we have those, people are choosing to ignore it based on here say and stupid advice from bimbos. I can't work out if you were agreeing or disagreeing with me.

When you make a statement that the diseases were preventable prior to vaccines it makes it sound like you are saying the disease could be prevented before vaccines were invented and therefore vaccines aren't needed.  That's the kind of thing anti-vaxers hear and run with.  So I was disagreeing with that statement because we could not prevent the disease before vaccines were invented but agreeing with everything else. 

I think you've misinterpreted the term "preventable diseases". It's not literal. I'm sort of confused that you've never heard this term before. It's used quite a lot in this capacity.

I have heard it.  It means a disease that can be prevented.  I don't think you are getting my point.  When you say something like that to the anti-vax crowd they can seize on it as a point that the disease was always preventable without vaccines.  Many of them claim that the reason we don't see these diseases as much now is because we have better sanitation and hygiene not because of vaccines.  So language like that can reinforce their view that vaccines are useless.  

Nekotaru

I've been seeing this all over, too. Stupid, stupid stupid. People just want to be dramatic and have a cause to preach about. I'm sick of this shit. Vaccinate your kids.

So glad we have come so far with modern science and technology for dimwits to dismiss civilizations advancements so they can have a self-righteous argument for debate on Facebook.

Be lucky you live somewhere that vaccines are an option for your child.  [-(

naturaloaklandmama

I attended a very interesting panel on vaccines. One of the panelists pointed out that despite the fact that there are no studies that actually link autism and vaccines, you can't tell a parent whose child became autistic shortly after getting vaccinated that the vaccines did not cause the autism. I don't believe there is a link but it made me understand where those parents and their friends and on and on are coming from. They are looking for a cause to something horrible that has happened and the proxmity in time (which is the nature of when autism onset/symptoms start to show and when teh majority of vaccines occur, which is around 2). So I think that is why this persists despite being refuted. 

Nevertheless, the majority of the panel was not about the autism/vaccine debate and in fact that was clearly stated as having no scientific backing, that hte original researcher actually lied about his results and lost his credentials as a result, but instead about the very real risks of vaccines. There ARE reactions to vaccines. This is proven. Indeed, there is a special court that handles compensating families who have been impacted by vaccine reactions: https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index.html. You can not bring these cases to a civil court but instead are required to go through this process. And they have paid out millions to families. 

Even if you go to the Center for Disease Control website, you can get information about the specific vaccines and the risks that they present, which include encephalitis and other neurological issues that can be life-threatening in rare cases. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00046738.htm

The bottom line of the panel, which I thought was so helpful was: does the risk of the reactions to the vaccines outweigh the benefit of the vaccines to your child and your community. And in the majority of the cases, the answer is almost a resounding NO. 

But there were some good recommendations from teh docs on the panel. One, do not get your child vaccinated while they are already sick. you are asking their little immune systems to do a big job and you don't want it to start that job while already compromised. Two, do everythign you can to improve their immune functioning at the time they are getting vaccines. They recommended vitamins (Polyvisol on Amazon for example) and of course a healthy diet. Third, and finally I know this will be the most controversial, ask if you can get single or double doses of vaccines rather than the multipack of 4-6 at a time. This reduces the amount of preservatives (one of the putative reasons for the reactions) and it reduces the amount of work their immune systems need to do to respond and form immunoglobins, which are essentially the whole point of vaccinations. 

The reality is that the whole autism debate has really obfuscated the issue. People think that anytime someone questions a vaccine they are morons that are listening to Jenny McCarthy -- and many probably are. But the reality is that there ARE reactions to vaccines, its just that these reactiosn are generally far outweighed by the benefits of the vaccines. Nevertheless, one should know their own medical/family history to see if there is a history of any disease and discuss with their docs whether that could increase likelihood of reactions. And finally, make sure your child's immune sysetm is at its healthiest prior to innoculation. At least this was the recommendation from the pediatricians on the panel, which made a lot of sense to me and has been confirmed by the resaerch that I have done (in books not just on google for those that are concerned about my researching capabilities). So that's what I am doing -- getting my kiddo vaccinated but doing everyting I can to ensure his health before, during, and after. 

yvanehtnioj

Weezy56 said:

aaroberts33 said:

Different parents have different reasons.  The austim thing is a big one now a days.  My boss is actually one that has chosen not to vaccinate her son.  She is one that has done EXTENSIVE research.  She is a very wholistic person and believes the chemicals within the vacines can damage her son.  This is her choice.  Everything should be all natural in her book and she goes to great lengths to make sure it is.  But then you have the people they do it just because they heard from a cousin of an aunt's sister's best friend that it wasn't good for the baby.  That is stupidity in my opinion.

I would love to see your boss's "research". Just wanting to be all natural as a reason to not vaccinate is just as stupid.

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seriously. if she researched respected, peer reviewed sources she would not have reached that conclusion. naturalhealthnews.com does NOT count.

GPeterson24

Out of curiosity...do you only allow your children to play with other fully vaccinated children?

We selectively vaccinate our children but I've never had anyone at a play group or birthday party ask about their status.  If you're truly that passionate wouldn't you want to keep your kids away from my "potentially dangerous" kids?

awc1986

GPeterson24 said:

Out of curiosity...do you only allow your children to play with other fully vaccinated children?

We selectively vaccinate our children but I've never had anyone at a play group or birthday party ask about their status.  If you're truly that passionate wouldn't you want to keep your kids away from my "potentially dangerous" kids?

If you're happy with an entire group of people pointing the finger at you when your unvaccinated child comes down with a disease that you decided not to vaccinate against, then keep on truckin'.

Perhaps people don't ask because they don't expect people to be dumb when it comes to preventing the outbreak of disease.

Mizoo

GPeterson24 said:

Out of curiosity...do you only allow your children to play with other fully vaccinated children?

We selectively vaccinate our children but I've never had anyone at a play group or birthday party ask about their status.  If you're truly that passionate wouldn't you want to keep your kids away from my "potentially dangerous" kids?

If my child is born with a compromised immune system and is unable to receive vaccines for that reason, you bet I would be asking.  Why did you put quotes around the words potentially dangerous?  If your child is running around unvaccinated against one of the many deadly and preventable diseases out there, they ARE dangerous to those with compromised immune systems.

Not everyone is so lucky to have the luxury of a healthy immune system that can fight off serious illnesses if they happen to come into contact with them.

momthatlifts

My question is this: what happens if someone chooses not to vaccinate and their child still ends up with autism? What would their excuse be then?

apmom

Please don't make this discussion about autism.  I have three on the spectrum, all vaccinated, and there just isn't a lick of scientific evidence to link autism to vaccines.  

Jazznit1984

To be honest I know of people that are doing the delayed vaccines. I honestly don't care when a child is vaccinated as long as they are. And yes, with the amount of outbreaks of previously eliminated diseases returning and actually killing children, I will be asking everyone my kid comes in contact with if they have vaccinated.If you have not, then your child is not welcome in my home. I live overseas and you only need to see one person who contracted polio to understand the importance of vaccines. Aside from those who abstain for religious reasons there should be no excuse (and they are usually protected anyway because of everyone else received vaccines)

GPeterson24

Mizoo said:

GPeterson24 said:

Out of curiosity...do you only allow your children to play with other fully vaccinated children?

We selectively vaccinate our children but I've never had anyone at a play group or birthday party ask about their status.  If you're truly that passionate wouldn't you want to keep your kids away from my "potentially dangerous" kids?

If my child is born with a compromised immune system and is unable to receive vaccines for that reason, you bet I would be asking.  Why did you put quotes around the words potentially dangerous?  If your child is running around unvaccinated against one of the many deadly and preventable diseases out there, they ARE dangerous to those with compromised immune systems.

Not everyone is so lucky to have the luxury of a healthy immune system that can fight off serious illnesses if they happen to come into contact with them.

I put it in quotes because my child would generally only be dangerous if they had contracted the disease in which case they would be sick and not out in public.

awc1986 The most recent measles outbreaks have occurred in mostly immunized people and I would never point my finger at them to taunt.

awc1986

GPeterson24 said:

Mizoo said:

GPeterson24 said:

Out of curiosity...do you only allow your children to play with other fully vaccinated children?

We selectively vaccinate our children but I've never had anyone at a play group or birthday party ask about their status.  If you're truly that passionate wouldn't you want to keep your kids away from my "potentially dangerous" kids?

If my child is born with a compromised immune system and is unable to receive vaccines for that reason, you bet I would be asking.  Why did you put quotes around the words potentially dangerous?  If your child is running around unvaccinated against one of the many deadly and preventable diseases out there, they ARE dangerous to those with compromised immune systems.

Not everyone is so lucky to have the luxury of a healthy immune system that can fight off serious illnesses if they happen to come into contact with them.

I put it in quotes because my child would generally only be dangerous if they had contracted the disease in which case they would be sick and not out in public.

awc1986 The most recent measles outbreaks have occurred in mostly immunized people and I would never point my finger at them to taunt.

How do you think the outbreaks happen in the first place?

WashingtonQueen

GPeterson24 said:

Mizoo said:

GPeterson24 said:

Out of curiosity...do you only allow your children to play with other fully vaccinated children?

We selectively vaccinate our children but I've never had anyone at a play group or birthday party ask about their status.  If you're truly that passionate wouldn't you want to keep your kids away from my "potentially dangerous" kids?

If my child is born with a compromised immune system and is unable to receive vaccines for that reason, you bet I would be asking.  Why did you put quotes around the words potentially dangerous?  If your child is running around unvaccinated against one of the many deadly and preventable diseases out there, they ARE dangerous to those with compromised immune systems.

Not everyone is so lucky to have the luxury of a healthy immune system that can fight off serious illnesses if they happen to come into contact with them.

I put it in quotes because my child would generally only be dangerous if they had contracted the disease in which case they would be sick and not out in public.

awc1986 The most recent measles outbreaks have occurred in mostly immunized people and I would never point my finger at them to taunt.

_______________________

You are extremely misinformed. The current outbreaks are in communities that are NOT immunized.

GPeterson24

The recent outbreaks in Canada were not.

WashingtonQueen

GPeterson24 said:

The recent outbreaks in Canada were not.

Prove it.

Jazznit1984

@GPeterson24 you obviously don't know or don't care to do your research. Here is one article that outlines the last outbreak in Canada. Which clearly states that it was linked to unvaccinated children.

Other news sources have reported that the unvaccinated children belonged to a religious sect that did not believe in vaccinating their children. So what is more important protecting peoples religious freedoms/stupid new age crackpot ideas or the health and safety of my child? 

Oh and I am Canadian. When outbreaks happen, the only safe measure is to quarantine your entire family. Because often people carry the virus for weeks without displaying symptoms. By the the time they know that there is an outbreak its almost too late. 

I reiterate that choosing to not vaccinate your child based on shoddy disproven science at the expense of the health and safety of the community is selfish and stupid. Heaven forbid your child actually contracts one of these diseases. They could suffer long term health damage or worse death. 

You also open yourself up to lawsuits. I can guarantee that if my newborn becomes ill because of someone else's insane unfounded logic, I will take them for everything they've got until their suffering is beyond comprehensible. 

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/unvaccinated-kids-partly-to-blame-for-measles-outbreak-fraser-health-1.1448619

awc1986

Just to back up @Jazznit1984‌ here in the UK, the outbreaks of measles, mumps and rubella were a direct result of unvaccinated children. Some children died because of this "fashion" for not vaccinating. Now we're playing catch up and are running out of the MMR vaccine because of stupid people.

Jazznit1984

https://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/transmission.html

Ok @GPeterson24 I might have been very zealous about this and you were asking some thoughtful questions.  You said that you were being 'selective' with which vaccines your children received. What does that mean exactly? 

And to answer your original question. I do feel as a parent that I need to screen people and their children. It really has gotten to that point. Even just today there are several outbreaks in Alberta, Canada. It's like every week there is another outbreak in the western world, areas that have long been quiet because of vaccines. I am not sure how much of a TV person you are, but Ewan MacGregor recently did a TV special where he is delivering polio vaccines in third world countries. It is very interesting to see that many places in the world do not have access to such a basic medical necessity. 

My grandmother contracted polio as a child. Throughout her life she suffered crippling pain in her back and legs because the disease eventually caused spinal curvature and also shortened one of her legs. At this stage in her life she is bed and wheelchair ridden. As she ages, because of those deformities, her back is crushing itself like a tin can. It is very sad to watch. 

I guess I just have difficulties believing that people would still choose not to vaccinate their children, even when we have proven that any previous scientific research saying vaccines are bad has been irrefutably debunked. The science doesn't back up the choice and with all the outbreaks, why would you risk your children's health or even your own. Many adults forget that you need regular boosters throughout life to maintain the immunity that vaccines give you. 

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jennish11 said:

I agree that people shouldn't be anti-vaccine just because a bunch of internet websites say not to.
But I also think that you shouldn't just vaccine for the same reason. 
Either way, you should do your research and talk to your pediatrician.

You know there's a difference between a website put up by some random twit based on what Michelle Bachmann said a friend told her, and the CDC right? 

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naturaloaklandmama said:

I attended a very interesting panel on vaccines. One of the panelists pointed out that despite the fact that there are no studies that actually link autism and vaccines, you can't tell a parent whose child became autistic shortly after getting vaccinated that the vaccines did not cause the autism. I don't believe there is a link but it made me understand where those parents and their friends and on and on are coming from. They are looking for a cause to something horrible that has happened and the proxmity in time (which is the nature of when autism onset/symptoms start to show and when teh majority of vaccines occur, which is around 2). So I think that is why this persists despite being refuted.

Sure you can tell them that.  They could believe it's because their kid stepped on a crack in the sidewalk, or walked under a ladder the day before, and that wouldn't be true either.