Trouble TTC

Frustrated and Confused..Why can't this be easier??

So yesterday I went in for a follie scan on CD11 which is the norm for me, my follicles are ususally 18+, my lining around 10 and I trigger that night.  I have never triggered later than CD12.  And I believe that I have never ovulated later than CD14.  I am currently on Clomid 50mg and have used it 5 cycles before although the last 2 cycles I used Follistim.

So when I went in yesterday, I had 3 follicles size 12-13mm and my lining was 6. WTF?? The RE seemed confused as to why my body wasn't ready as usual.  She said that I will likely not ovulate until Saturday (CD16) if at all this cycle??  I was so upset and confused by the if at all, I have never not ovulated even on my own.  She acted like it was the weirdest thing and that my body just wasn't doing what it should be doing.  I know that CD16 is late for me but is it really that unusual??  The nurse said for someone who ovulates earlier that it isn't a good sign to not have follicles farther along at this point.  So I guess all that I can do is hope that my ovaries will get in gear.  I asked what could cause this and she said nothing in particular, sometimes it just happens.

That puts us in another tough situation because my DH is going out of town for a bachelor party on Thursday and will be gone until Sunday.  So if I do ovulate on Sautrday and want a chance this cycle, we will need to freeze his sperm.  But with freezing you lose about 40% of the sample and our issue is MFI so I am not sure it's even worth it especially not knowing if I will even ovulate.  I have another scan on Thursday (after we would need to freeze his sample).  His counts are improving (on meds) but I am unsure if that will be good enough if we lose 40%.  So my choices are: sit out this cycle, freeze and hope for the best, or freeze tomorrow and see what the numbers look like before going ahead with the rest of the monitoring.  We are all out of pocket at this point because we haven't met our deductible yet so I am leaning toward the freezing tomorrow (which is $220) and if the numbers aren't great just not doing any monitoring and just TI before he leaves and when he gets back.  Then we can always save that sample and use it at some point. 

I am just so upset by the thought of sitting out a cycle.  I haven't done that at all since we started TTC.  I guess I just need to vent and talk this out.  Thanks for reading.




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Me (35) no known issues DH (37) MFI. TTC 21 months (24 cycles)
Dx MFI with low to normal count, low motility, morphology 3%
HSG normal, ultrasound and labs on me all normal. 

1 cycle of Clomid 50mg and TI, unmonitored by OBGYN= BFN
1 cycle of Clomid 50mg and IUI, unmonitored by OBGYN= BFN
Started seeing an RE!!
2 more cycles of clomid 50mg (great response), with IUI and Pregnyl trigger (4.8-8 mil good ones after wash) = all BFN
1 cycle of clomid 50mg (3-7) followed by Follistim 75iu (7-11) + IUI = BFN
December 2013 DH saw urologist and is taking Anastrozole, CoQ10, and L-Carnitine
IUI #5 natural cycle (needed a med break) = BFN
IUI #6 Follistim 75iu (CD3-10) + Pregnyl (CD11) + IUI (final count after wash 300K) = BFN
IUI #7 Follistim 75iu (CD3-9) + Pregnyl (CD11) + IUI on 2/20 (post wash count 12.5 million)= BFN
IUI cancelled (DH OOT) Clomid 50mg (CD3-7) 1 follicle +(not well timed) TI = BFN
IUI #8 and last one!! Clomid 100mg (CD3-7) +OPK before US + IUI 4/17 (post wash 8.5 mil)= BFN

Pre-IVF testing complete! SHG great and measurements taken! Labs for infectious diseases completed, FSH (5.4), TSH (1.6), Prolactin (11), AMH (2.6), Estradiol (40).

Started BCP 5/29 and Lupron 6/11 prep for IVF #1! Started follistim 225u/day on 6/28. Monitoring on 7/2 >15 follicles measuring 11-14, E2 758. Monitoring on 7/5 all ready to go!! Great follicle sizes and lining is at 9. Tigger 7/5, ER 7/7 16R 9M 3F. Stimmed too fast in just 7 days. 7/10 3dt of 2 8-cell grade 2 & 4. 7/14 P4 >60.
Holy crap BFP!!!
Beta #1 (14dpo) 7/21 112 Beta #2 (16dpo) 7/23 286 a Beta #3 (18dpo) 7/25 761 Beta #4 (21dpo) 2631!!! Hold on tight little embies!!
  First Ultrasound 8/7- 1 perfect little bean with a beating heart 117bpm!! EDD 3/30.
Second ultrasound 9/2 Little bean measuring a few days ahead with a heart rate of 161!



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Re: Frustrated and Confused..Why can't this be easier??

  • AJMazAJMaz member
    Sorry you're going through this, our bodies are so unpredictable. Personally, I usually ovulate between CD 14-17 and my RE doesn't think twice about it, but everyone is different. We experienced a chemical pg in Feb and when I found out my husband was going to be traveling for work March, April, May I got so upset at the thought if missing a cycle, we decided to freeze a sample just in case. It made me feel better knowing there was a backup plan (no MFI). You never know what your scan will show so I'm wishing you luck!
  • Thanks ladies!!  I really appreciate your responses and it really has made me feel better!  I didn't think it was really that unusal that I would ovulate a few days later but my RE's and nurse's responses had me freaking out.  Especially that since I wasn't ready on CD11 that it might not happen at all. I had 3 between 12-13 and a bunch of small ones so I am not sure why they think that none of those 3 will continue to grow.  I have to believe that there is a chance for at least one!  They did tell me that they will increase my Clomid next month or I can switch to Femara if I want.  Hopefully this won't happen again!!

    @NariaDreamingI am pretty sure it will upset my DH either way, knowing that I am waiting on his results of knowing that I may be sitting at home ovulating and there is nothing we can do about it.  But the rational side of me says that it's just not worth the stress and $$  to freeze and go through with more monitoring and IUI knowing that the chances it will work are so slim.  I just have to hope that maybe I will ovulate late on Saturday or even better on Sunday when he gets home and our TI then will work out. 




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    Me (35) no known issues DH (37) MFI. TTC 21 months (24 cycles)
    Dx MFI with low to normal count, low motility, morphology 3%
    HSG normal, ultrasound and labs on me all normal. 

    1 cycle of Clomid 50mg and TI, unmonitored by OBGYN= BFN
    1 cycle of Clomid 50mg and IUI, unmonitored by OBGYN= BFN
    Started seeing an RE!!
    2 more cycles of clomid 50mg (great response), with IUI and Pregnyl trigger (4.8-8 mil good ones after wash) = all BFN
    1 cycle of clomid 50mg (3-7) followed by Follistim 75iu (7-11) + IUI = BFN
    December 2013 DH saw urologist and is taking Anastrozole, CoQ10, and L-Carnitine
    IUI #5 natural cycle (needed a med break) = BFN
    IUI #6 Follistim 75iu (CD3-10) + Pregnyl (CD11) + IUI (final count after wash 300K) = BFN
    IUI #7 Follistim 75iu (CD3-9) + Pregnyl (CD11) + IUI on 2/20 (post wash count 12.5 million)= BFN
    IUI cancelled (DH OOT) Clomid 50mg (CD3-7) 1 follicle +(not well timed) TI = BFN
    IUI #8 and last one!! Clomid 100mg (CD3-7) +OPK before US + IUI 4/17 (post wash 8.5 mil)= BFN

    Pre-IVF testing complete! SHG great and measurements taken! Labs for infectious diseases completed, FSH (5.4), TSH (1.6), Prolactin (11), AMH (2.6), Estradiol (40).

    Started BCP 5/29 and Lupron 6/11 prep for IVF #1! Started follistim 225u/day on 6/28. Monitoring on 7/2 >15 follicles measuring 11-14, E2 758. Monitoring on 7/5 all ready to go!! Great follicle sizes and lining is at 9. Tigger 7/5, ER 7/7 16R 9M 3F. Stimmed too fast in just 7 days. 7/10 3dt of 2 8-cell grade 2 & 4. 7/14 P4 >60.
    Holy crap BFP!!!
    Beta #1 (14dpo) 7/21 112 Beta #2 (16dpo) 7/23 286 a Beta #3 (18dpo) 7/25 761 Beta #4 (21dpo) 2631!!! Hold on tight little embies!!
      First Ultrasound 8/7- 1 perfect little bean with a beating heart 117bpm!! EDD 3/30.
    Second ultrasound 9/2 Little bean measuring a few days ahead with a heart rate of 161!



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  • @NariaDreaming that story reminds me of something that I would totally do!!  While I would be stressed out at least I would feel like I was doing everything possible.  But in the end even everything possible doesn't mean it will work and given my history, it's pretty likely that it won't.  So I have decided that no matter how much I want this ASAP, it's just not worth jumping through hoops this month.  I am putting it in God's hands and hoping for the best.  That's all I can really do at this point.




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    Me (35) no known issues DH (37) MFI. TTC 21 months (24 cycles)
    Dx MFI with low to normal count, low motility, morphology 3%
    HSG normal, ultrasound and labs on me all normal. 

    1 cycle of Clomid 50mg and TI, unmonitored by OBGYN= BFN
    1 cycle of Clomid 50mg and IUI, unmonitored by OBGYN= BFN
    Started seeing an RE!!
    2 more cycles of clomid 50mg (great response), with IUI and Pregnyl trigger (4.8-8 mil good ones after wash) = all BFN
    1 cycle of clomid 50mg (3-7) followed by Follistim 75iu (7-11) + IUI = BFN
    December 2013 DH saw urologist and is taking Anastrozole, CoQ10, and L-Carnitine
    IUI #5 natural cycle (needed a med break) = BFN
    IUI #6 Follistim 75iu (CD3-10) + Pregnyl (CD11) + IUI (final count after wash 300K) = BFN
    IUI #7 Follistim 75iu (CD3-9) + Pregnyl (CD11) + IUI on 2/20 (post wash count 12.5 million)= BFN
    IUI cancelled (DH OOT) Clomid 50mg (CD3-7) 1 follicle +(not well timed) TI = BFN
    IUI #8 and last one!! Clomid 100mg (CD3-7) +OPK before US + IUI 4/17 (post wash 8.5 mil)= BFN

    Pre-IVF testing complete! SHG great and measurements taken! Labs for infectious diseases completed, FSH (5.4), TSH (1.6), Prolactin (11), AMH (2.6), Estradiol (40).

    Started BCP 5/29 and Lupron 6/11 prep for IVF #1! Started follistim 225u/day on 6/28. Monitoring on 7/2 >15 follicles measuring 11-14, E2 758. Monitoring on 7/5 all ready to go!! Great follicle sizes and lining is at 9. Tigger 7/5, ER 7/7 16R 9M 3F. Stimmed too fast in just 7 days. 7/10 3dt of 2 8-cell grade 2 & 4. 7/14 P4 >60.
    Holy crap BFP!!!
    Beta #1 (14dpo) 7/21 112 Beta #2 (16dpo) 7/23 286 a Beta #3 (18dpo) 7/25 761 Beta #4 (21dpo) 2631!!! Hold on tight little embies!!
      First Ultrasound 8/7- 1 perfect little bean with a beating heart 117bpm!! EDD 3/30.
    Second ultrasound 9/2 Little bean measuring a few days ahead with a heart rate of 161!



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  • @nariaDreaming - your story made me laugh (in a sad way).  Least your DH was totally on board with that and agreeable!  
    My sister took me to NYC for the superbowl this year...and of course, I was probably going to ovulate while we were in NYC (didn't know for sure since I wasn't temping).  I felt guilty knowing that was the last time before my RE appointment.  But there was nothing I could do, since she paid for my trip.

    DH: 34  
    Aug 2013 - SA: Counts & Motility = great, Morph = 1%; RE didn't seem too concerned

    Me: 26
    Jan. 2014 - Blood work ordered by obgyn:  Prolactin = high & AMH = low (0.73)
    Feb. 6, 2014 - Repeat blood work ordered by obgyn:  Prolactin = normal & AMH = low (0.9)
    Feb.  20, 2014 - First appointment with RE
    Feb. 24, 2014 - HSG scheduled;  DX:  one tube definitely open & one tube could be blocked
    Mar. 7, 2014 - CD 21 Blood work for Progesterone; DX:  Progesterone level at 5.2; shows I ovulated but was low
    Mar. 28, 2014 - Laparoscopy; DX:  Tubes open.  Found some endometriosis and had that removed.
     
    History:
    Started TTC:  June 2012
    June 2012 - March 2013:  When it Happens/it happens method = BFN
    March 2013:  Started using Fertility Friend
    Cycles 1 - 15 with Fertility Friend = BFN
    Cycle 16 - Benched due to Laparoscopy
    Cycle 17 - Natural Cycle = BFN
    Cycle 18 - Natural Cycle = BFN
    Cycle 19 - Natural Cycle = BFN
     

    Current Cycle:
    Cycle 20 = Natural Cycle


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    @nariadreaming - That is great!  It is crazy the things that we do...

    @lillovebug79 - I had the same thing happen.  For 3 cycles my body responded basically the same exact way to injects.  I triggered the day of or after my first monitoring ultrasound.  Then my 4th cycle on injects they told me that because I was so regular, it would be cheaper for me to pay for each visit individually vs the package price.  Of course - I ended up needing 3 days of monitoring/bloodwork.  Luckily, after realizing that cycle was going to be difficult after my first ultrasound, they let me switch to the package or else I would've spent a whole lot more money.  Sometimes our bodies are just weird!

    Good luck to you this cycle!

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    DX: MFI (4% motility)

    Cycle 13: Natural cycle w/ HSG test = BFP
    Identical twins! 
    Lost my angel boys at 10.5 weeks

    Cycle 14-16: Natural Cycles = BFN
    Cycle 17: Follistim + Trigger + IUI = BFN
    Cycle 18: Natural Cycle = BFN
    Cycle 19: Follistim + Trigger +IUI#2
    Polyp found: SIS 11/11 - hysteroscopy 11/14
    Cycle 20: Follistim + IUI#2 = BFFN
    Cycle 21: Follistim (adj. dosage) + IUI#3 TI  = BFN
    IUI cancelled due to weather
    Cycle 22: Follistim + IUI#3.1 = BFN

    Cycle 23: treatment break, IVF consult
    Cycle 24 - 26: natural cycle w/ acupuncture + Chinese herbs = BFN
    Cycle 27: Follistim + IUI#4 = BFFN
    Natural Cycles until IVF
    Cycle 30: IVF#1 - Starting with Menopur + Follistim + Ganirelix
    17 retrieved, 12 fertilized, 5dt w/ 2 blasts, 5 frosties

    Betas:  #1-156(9dp5dt), #2-1200(13dp5) #3-6112(17dp5)
    Ultrasound #1 10/6: 1 bean!
    TEAM BLUE!

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  • @ky29 thanks, it's good to know I'm not the only one! I'm feeling a bit of pressure today and my OPK is getting darker. I'm praying I surge tomorrow and we can just have TI before DH leaves tomorrow afternoon. That is my best case scenario. It's been about 8 months since we tried this totally the good old fashioned way! Lol! I think my DH is excited about it!



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    Me (35) no known issues DH (37) MFI. TTC 21 months (24 cycles)
    Dx MFI with low to normal count, low motility, morphology 3%
    HSG normal, ultrasound and labs on me all normal. 

    1 cycle of Clomid 50mg and TI, unmonitored by OBGYN= BFN
    1 cycle of Clomid 50mg and IUI, unmonitored by OBGYN= BFN
    Started seeing an RE!!
    2 more cycles of clomid 50mg (great response), with IUI and Pregnyl trigger (4.8-8 mil good ones after wash) = all BFN
    1 cycle of clomid 50mg (3-7) followed by Follistim 75iu (7-11) + IUI = BFN
    December 2013 DH saw urologist and is taking Anastrozole, CoQ10, and L-Carnitine
    IUI #5 natural cycle (needed a med break) = BFN
    IUI #6 Follistim 75iu (CD3-10) + Pregnyl (CD11) + IUI (final count after wash 300K) = BFN
    IUI #7 Follistim 75iu (CD3-9) + Pregnyl (CD11) + IUI on 2/20 (post wash count 12.5 million)= BFN
    IUI cancelled (DH OOT) Clomid 50mg (CD3-7) 1 follicle +(not well timed) TI = BFN
    IUI #8 and last one!! Clomid 100mg (CD3-7) +OPK before US + IUI 4/17 (post wash 8.5 mil)= BFN

    Pre-IVF testing complete! SHG great and measurements taken! Labs for infectious diseases completed, FSH (5.4), TSH (1.6), Prolactin (11), AMH (2.6), Estradiol (40).

    Started BCP 5/29 and Lupron 6/11 prep for IVF #1! Started follistim 225u/day on 6/28. Monitoring on 7/2 >15 follicles measuring 11-14, E2 758. Monitoring on 7/5 all ready to go!! Great follicle sizes and lining is at 9. Tigger 7/5, ER 7/7 16R 9M 3F. Stimmed too fast in just 7 days. 7/10 3dt of 2 8-cell grade 2 & 4. 7/14 P4 >60.
    Holy crap BFP!!!
    Beta #1 (14dpo) 7/21 112 Beta #2 (16dpo) 7/23 286 a Beta #3 (18dpo) 7/25 761 Beta #4 (21dpo) 2631!!! Hold on tight little embies!!
      First Ultrasound 8/7- 1 perfect little bean with a beating heart 117bpm!! EDD 3/30.
    Second ultrasound 9/2 Little bean measuring a few days ahead with a heart rate of 161!



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  • I'm sorry : ( The feeling of wasting a cycle is awful. When I had a cycle with a lining of 5mm, the doctor didn't want to procede with IUI because the chances of implantation were obviously very slim. But DH and I decided to go through with it anyway because I couldn't take "wasting" a month and having zero hope that we concieved.

    What i'm trying to get at is, for me at least, having some shred of hope that you could be pregnant is better that knowing the month for sure failed. It keeps me somewhat sane. So I personally would go ahead with freezing the sperm tomorrow and try and get something going this month. FX for you : )
    TTC #1 since Sept. 2012

    June 2013: Start IF testing
    Me: Bloodwork and ultrasound all normal. Normal cycles and ovulation
    Me: HSG Sept. 2013 All clear
    DH: High viscosity, lowish numbers, but not horrible. First SA, count was 40 mill, second SA, count jumped to 80 mill. low morph. Tried mucinex for viscosity issue from June- Nov.

    Dec 2013: Clomid 50mg + Trigger + IUI #1 = BFN
    ^^ 5 mature follicles all over 20mm, lining was at 7. Post wash had low numbers

    Jan 2014: Clomid 50mg + Trigger + IUI #2 = BFN
    ^^2 mature follies on each side, lining was only at 5.5. Great sperm sample post wash

    Feb 2014: 2.5 mg of Femara + Trigger + IUI #3 on Valentine's Day! = BFN
    ^^ 3 mature follicles on right side 25mm, 24mm and 21mm, Lining at 10mm!!!!!! HUGE improvement

    March 2014: 2.5mg Femara + Follitism + Trigger + IUI BFN
    ^^ 1 (possibly 2) follies, 9mm lining
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