@dorothyzbornak97, as my recent post said - I apologize if I misunderstood what was flag worthy. We all have the right to our own opinions. I'm a 35 year old woman and I handle the world, this site, the internet and most things just fine. I was not horribly offended. I simply thought that ellyd14 went out of her way to be rude with her comments to the original post. I do understand that we are all adults though I don't think everyone acts like one on here. There are many other ways to express yourself other than using cursing....let's all show some class. I don't have time for petty bickering on a site that should be should be used for advice and encouragement. We are pregnant, I can't imagine why anyone would want to sound harsh.
I am not going to reply to the recent post from ellyd14. This is my 2 d pregnancy. My first ended in a miscarriage right before Thanksgiving. I'm overjoyed to be pregnant again and quite frankly scared out of my mind. I simply think that we all could think before lashing out at people. We can be honest without being cruel. Again, I apologize for misunderstanding how to use the flag button but let's all get rid of the attitudes and try to encourage and support one another during our pregnancies.
Dorothy, as my recent post said - I apologize if I misunderstood what was flag worthy. We all have the right to our own opinions. I'm a 35 year old woman and I handle the world, this site, the internet and most things just fine. I was not horribly offended. I simply thought that ellyd14 went out of her way to be rude with her comments to the original post. I do understand that we are all adults though I don't think everyone acts like one on here. There are many other ways to express yourself other than using cursing....let's all show some class. I don't have time for petty bickering on a site that should be should be used for advice and encouragement. We are pregnant, I can't imagine why anyone would want to sound harsh.
I am not going to reply to the recent post from ellyd14. This is my 2 d pregnancy. My first ended in a miscarriage right before Thanksgiving. I'm overjoyed to be pregnant again and quite frankly scared out of my mind. I simply think that we all could think before lashing out at people. We can be honest without being cruel. Again, I apologize for misunderstanding how to use the flag button but let's all get rid of the attitudes and try to encourage and support one another during our pregnancies.
#1- Yes, we all have a right to our opinions. So why are you so insistent that I can't share mine?
#2- If you don't like to curse then don't. But don't tell me how I'm allowed to communicate.
#3- You don't have time for bickering, and yet here you are.
#4- I'm overjoyed to be pregnant, too. I've also suffered pregnancy loss and am terrified that it will happen again. However, that doesn't change my personality or make me think that people that say dumb things should not be given the correct information. And if I try to bring in humor to make something easier to handle, I see nothing wrong with that. I'm sorry you don't have a sense of humor.
#5- I 100% agree. No one should be cruel. If I see someone being cruel you better believe I will be first in line to let them know how fucking terrible they're being.
Son: Jackson, 11/02/06, stillborn due to PPROM and IUGR. Over the next ten years we had 9 miscarriages from 8-14 weeks. On May 18, 2016 my daughter, Ridley, was born. We're OADNBC.
@dorothyzbornak97, I am not trying to act like the board police. My history does not reflect that. I just like to think that women choose to empower and encourage one another. I would say that getting sick of people's posts and being snarky in response is policing the posts. I'm sure there are a lot of repetitive posts. I'm sure a lot of people find some of the questions silly. Not everyone is an expert on pregnancy. I'm not a doctor or midwife and I'm definitely not an expert.
I know a lot of people have suffered losses. People do grieve and deal with losses differently. I found peace in the miscarriage support board after my loss. I was heartbroken to have my first experience with pregnancy be a loss. I'm sure a lot of people on here can relate. I thinks it's silly that we are even bickering about this stuff now.
I've apologized three times now for not understanding what was flag worthy. I've said I think we could all try to encourage instead of criticize. I just hoped that since we are all pregnant that we could support each other. We can vent and express opinions...just suggesting that people not lash out.
Can we all agree to disagree and move on? I hope you're all enjoying your weekend and feeling well.
I absolutely do choose to ignore things in fact I have ignored your post every other time even though I could tell by the time and attitude of the comment that it was yours before I even looked at the screen name. You apologized in another thread for being blunt or whatever you called it. I thought cool she gets that she comes off a little harsh, maybe she'll settle down. Nope. It seems like you go out of your way to call people out and to be mean. So what if someone doesn't realize that there have already been posts about bloat, maybe they don't spend all day on TB to have seen the 6000 posts. Life is easier if you have a positive attitude and are on general just nicer to people. And yep I must be farting rainbows and glitter etc. etc. but I just don't get the need to be hurtful to random people.
I absolutely do choose to ignore things in fact I have ignored your post every other time even though I could tell by the time and attitude of the comment that it was yours before I even looked at the screen name. You apologized in another thread for being blunt or whatever you called it. I thought cool she gets that she comes off a little harsh, maybe she'll settle down. Nope. It seems like you go out of your way to call people out and to be mean. So what if someone doesn't realize that there have already been posts about bloat, maybe they don't spend all day on TB to have seen the 6000 posts. Life is easier if you have a positive attitude and are on general just nicer to people. And yep I must be farting rainbows and glitter etc. etc. but I just don't get the need to be hurtful to random people.
So, not only are you trying to control my personality and how I respond to people. But you want to control how I spend my time, too? Awesome. Mind sending me a meal plan so I don't have to think for myself at all ever again?
Son: Jackson, 11/02/06, stillborn due to PPROM and IUGR. Over the next ten years we had 9 miscarriages from 8-14 weeks. On May 18, 2016 my daughter, Ridley, was born. We're OADNBC.
I'm going to be honest... I work out frequently, I'm 5'6" 126 lbs and the scale had gone down in numbers since finding out but my jeans are tight so I attribute that to bloat. Bloat or baby, fat or skinny, can we drop this petty arguing over the internet? I mean, if we are all going to be moms I hope we will instill kindness, tolerance, and confidence in our kiddos?
I can agree that the original posters photo is not baby yet because it's too soon. I can also agree that calling it fat isn't helping anyone. As I said before, my measly 4 pack has become a 4 pack with a pooch (which I hate).
Ladies, be bigger people than all of this pettiness. And healthy happy pregnancies to all you mommas
My phone is being a dick. I have typed out two excellent response and they have vanished.
Look beyond the shit show threads of "bloat or bump" and " can't sleep/wait until I find out the gender of my baby" and you will see that the same women you accuse of not showing support actually do show lots of support. Click on their profile and you will see way more of positive stuff over negative stuff. And no one said that once you become pregnant that you have to be nice to all pregnant women. People are different and some people do not jive. Get over it and move on down the road.
I'm not trying to control anything. I'm just pointing out to you that your "bluntness" is actually just bitchy and mean. By all means continue to be bitchy and mean. I just feel for the people who are excited about every aspect of their pregnancy, even the early bloat, that you slap down at every turn. Continue on..,
I want to touch on the original issue: @leahletti2882 posted a picture of her belly, commenting that she's not sure if it's baby or bloat. @ellyd14 said, 'bloat or fat,' which is a perfectly acceptable response because 1) it's impossible to be baby right now due to the position of a woman's pelvic bone and 2) ellyd has no frame of reference for what leahletti looked like prior to getting pregnant, so she wouldn't know if it was bloat or fat.
Now the last two pages have been, "Elly's an asshole!!!!eleventy1!"
This is not a support group. This is an online community. A community can offer support, which is fantastic. Can you imagine if everyone supported everything that people said in here? We would give thumbs up to every person who said, Smoke pot for your m/s! or I really want a girl, should I abort if it's a boy? Can you imagine what would happen if someone did a Google search on 'weed during pregnancy' and found this site? What false information would we be giving that poor Google Searcher?
That shit happens daily in other 'pregnancy support groups.' I Googled 'taking expired Clomid' when I was TTC. BabyCenter had pages and pages of people saying, "I have this bottle from two years ago, can I still take it?" And everyone on BabyCenter said, "I don't think it can hurt, good luck!" I almost did the same took expired Clomid because BabyCenter told me it was OK. TB straight up told me how dangerous that could be and convinced me to throw the Clomid out.
It is so incredibly important to stop the misinformation early on, regardless of what it is. Elly just happens to be more proactive about it. Doesn't mean that what she's saying is wrong. And it certainly doesn't mean that she is the only one who feels that way. If you are interested in a website that would rather let you do something stupid than hurt your feelings, please make your way HERE.
Son: Jackson, 11/02/06, stillborn due to PPROM and IUGR. Over the next ten years we had 9 miscarriages from 8-14 weeks. On May 18, 2016 my daughter, Ridley, was born. We're OADNBC.
I am writing this in the language many people on this thread seem to
speak. Please understand this isn't normally how I would conduct
myself. In wondering about bloat vs. bump I clicked on this thread.
Here is what I learned from reading it. I better not EVER fucking think
of posting some stupid fucking thing that's already been posted 30 fucking
times or I will be attacked by a bunch of grown woman bullies who act like they
are 17 fucking years old and are intimidating girls in the bathroom like they
used to do in high school. And I am saying "fucking" so many
times because EllyD14, theresat858, dorthyzbornak, aander6 and probably others
say it is totally okay to say fuck and shit and fat and everything else under
the sun while they keep referring to the TOU which says "No strong vulgar,
obscene or otherwise harmful language." But clearly that doesn't
apply to Elly D14 or these other "mean girls". This is the biggest waste of
time ever. Someone said, "this isn't support group. This is a
community". Here is a definition of community: 'an
interacting population of various kinds of individuals in a common
location.' Yep. That's about it. Sorry you don't want it to
be any more than that. Just a bunch of snarky, nasty interaction.
And btw, EllyD14 may very well have said some nice things to other people on
other threads but she also has 16 abuse thingies or whatever the hell they are
called which is a lot
more than anyone else I clicked on. I suggest if you girls don't like reading YET ANOTHER fucking
bloat thread then DON'T CLICK ON IT. You're like vultures circling this
site looking for weak meat to stop moving long enough so you can land and start
pecking mercilessly in a pack. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
I can only conclude you are miserable and stuck inside this winter and
deficient in vitamin D. Maybe you should purchase some full-spectrum
light for your SAD condition. Please PLEASE PLEASE point out my hypocrisy
I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!! You are all so smart with your facts and reality!!
OH my butt hurts!! I'm so butt-hurt!!! I bet your favorite
part of Carrie is when they throw pads and tampons at her in the shower.
You probably wear foam fingers and scream at the screen during that part.
And please.... 10-13 years from now when your "precious"
is in in-school suspension constantly and you wonder why.....don't. Don't
wonder why. You are why. And to those of you who
wonder if you are showing already, why not? Maybe you are! The TOU
also states no one here is a doctor even though the bloat police will post
charts and graphs and tell you all about your bones the baby is under and make
you think you are a fucking idiot for thinking you uterus is growing at 9 weeks Bullies calm down. Being so
negative and hateful (even though you insist you are cool as a cucumber and not
being hateful) is bad for baby.
I'll take unicorns and puppy farts or whatever the other sites offer over this
SHIT any day. Have fun high-fiving each other for making
"newbies" feel stupid. Yes my account is 2 days old. Way to make a first impression (as veterans of The Bump on this thread like to say to others). To the bullies, have a blessed fucking day, here's a cute kitty for you.
Also, you could at least tag these lovely ladies so they can read your amazing and insightful novel. @EllyD14, @theresat858, @dorothyzbornak97, @aander6 Personally, I love all of these ladies, and I find it hard to believe that someone who's been on TB for 2 days is going to have any effect on them. I'll at least give you a C- for effort though. In the meantime, go ahead and GBCB.
I am writing this in the language many people on this thread seem to
speak. Please understand this isn't normally how I would conduct
myself. In wondering about bloat vs. bump I clicked on this thread.
Here is what I learned from reading it. I better not EVER fucking think
of posting some stupid fucking thing that's already been posted 30 fucking
times or I will be attacked by a bunch of grown woman bullies who act like they
are 17 fucking years old and are intimidating girls in the bathroom like they
used to do in high school. And I am saying "fucking" so many
times because EllyD14, theresat858, dorthyzbornak, aander6 and probably others
say it is totally okay to say fuck and shit and fat and everything else under
the sun while they keep referring to the TOU which says "No strong vulgar,
obscene or otherwise harmful language." But clearly that doesn't
apply to Elly D14 or these other "mean girls". This is the biggest waste of
time ever. Someone said, "this isn't support group. This is a
community". Here is a definition of community: 'an
interacting population of various kinds of individuals in a common
location.' Yep. That's about it. Sorry you don't want it to
be any more than that. Just a bunch of snarky, nasty interaction.
And btw, EllyD14 may very well have said some nice things to other people on
other threads but she also has 16 abuse thingies or whatever the hell they are
called which is a lot
more than anyone else I clicked on. I suggest if you girls don't like reading YET ANOTHER fucking
bloat thread then DON'T CLICK ON IT. You're like vultures circling this
site looking for weak meat to stop moving long enough so you can land and start
pecking mercilessly in a pack. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
I can only conclude you are miserable and stuck inside this winter and
deficient in vitamin D. Maybe you should purchase some full-spectrum
light for your SAD condition. Please PLEASE PLEASE point out my hypocrisy
I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!! You are all so smart with your facts and reality!!
OH my butt hurts!! I'm so butt-hurt!!! I bet your favorite
part of Carrie is when they throw pads and tampons at her in the shower.
You probably wear foam fingers and scream at the screen during that part.
And please.... 10-13 years from now when your "precious"
is in in-school suspension constantly and you wonder why.....don't. Don't
wonder why. You are why. And to those of you who
wonder if you are showing already, why not? Maybe you are! The TOU
also states no one here is a doctor even though the bloat police will post
charts and graphs and tell you all about your bones the baby is under and make
you think you are a fucking idiot for thinking you uterus is growing at 9 weeks Bullies calm down. Being so
negative and hateful (even though you insist you are cool as a cucumber and not
being hateful) is bad for baby.
I'll take unicorns and puppy farts or whatever the other sites offer over this
SHIT any day. Have fun high-fiving each other for making
"newbies" feel stupid. Yes my account is 2 days old. Way to make a first impression (as veterans of The Bump on this thread like to say to others). To the bullies, have a blessed fucking day, here's a cute kitty for you.
tl;dr
But I take it you're unhappy?
Son: Jackson, 11/02/06, stillborn due to PPROM and IUGR. Over the next ten years we had 9 miscarriages from 8-14 weeks. On May 18, 2016 my daughter, Ridley, was born. We're OADNBC.
I am writing this in the language many people on this thread seem to
speak. Please understand this isn't normally how I would conduct
myself. In wondering about bloat vs. bump I clicked on this thread.
Here is what I learned from reading it. I better not EVER fucking think
of posting some stupid fucking thing that's already been posted 30 fucking
times or I will be attacked by a bunch of grown woman bullies who act like they
are 17 fucking years old and are intimidating girls in the bathroom like they
used to do in high school. And I am saying "fucking" so many
times because EllyD14, theresat858, dorthyzbornak, aander6 and probably others
say it is totally okay to say fuck and shit and fat and everything else under
the sun while they keep referring to the TOU which says "No strong vulgar,
obscene or otherwise harmful language." But clearly that doesn't
apply to Elly D14 or these other "mean girls". This is the biggest waste of
time ever. Someone said, "this isn't support group. This is a
community". Here is a definition of community: 'an
interacting population of various kinds of individuals in a common
location.' Yep. That's about it. Sorry you don't want it to
be any more than that. Just a bunch of snarky, nasty interaction.
And btw, EllyD14 may very well have said some nice things to other people on
other threads but she also has 16 abuse thingies or whatever the hell they are
called which is a lot
more than anyone else I clicked on. I suggest if you girls don't like reading YET ANOTHER fucking
bloat thread then DON'T CLICK ON IT. You're like vultures circling this
site looking for weak meat to stop moving long enough so you can land and start
pecking mercilessly in a pack. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
I can only conclude you are miserable and stuck inside this winter and
deficient in vitamin D. Maybe you should purchase some full-spectrum
light for your SAD condition. Please PLEASE PLEASE point out my hypocrisy
I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!! You are all so smart with your facts and reality!!
OH my butt hurts!! I'm so butt-hurt!!! I bet your favorite
part of Carrie is when they throw pads and tampons at her in the shower.
You probably wear foam fingers and scream at the screen during that part.
And please.... 10-13 years from now when your "precious"
is in in-school suspension constantly and you wonder why.....don't. Don't
wonder why. You are why. And to those of you who
wonder if you are showing already, why not? Maybe you are! The TOU
also states no one here is a doctor even though the bloat police will post
charts and graphs and tell you all about your bones the baby is under and make
you think you are a fucking idiot for thinking you uterus is growing at 9 weeks Bullies calm down. Being so
negative and hateful (even though you insist you are cool as a cucumber and not
being hateful) is bad for baby.
I'll take unicorns and puppy farts or whatever the other sites offer over this
SHIT any day. Have fun high-fiving each other for making
"newbies" feel stupid. Yes my account is 2 days old. Way to make a first impression (as veterans of The Bump on this thread like to say to others). To the bullies, have a blessed fucking day, here's a cute kitty for you.
This post totally got me busted at work. I couldn't stop laughing. Well done, @Amberdex. Thanks for lifting my mood today. PS. I think your vulture ate the cute kitty.
PAIF/SAIF Welcome!
Me: 42, Hubby: 35, TTC since Jan 2010. Dx: DOR due to advanced maternal age.
Also: Hypothyroidism (100mcg Levothyroxin). Positive for MTHFR (hetero-C677T), Factor V Leiden, and Fragile X (on DH side). Taking pre-natal vitamins. First natural PG 9/27/11; mc: 1/20/12 First RE visit: 8/8/12, Saline Sonogram: 8/28/12, IVF injection class: 10/11/12, add FaBB Tab for FVL, +Vitamin D. IVF #1:
10/17/12 Baseline: FSH- 9.4, E2- 24, LH- 3.7, Prog- 0.3 The u/s
showed 6 follicles in my right & 9 in my left. Rx: 150 Bravelle &
150 Menopur SQ nightly. 10/21/12: Add Ganirelix SQ every morning.
ER 10/28/12: 13 Retreived. 7 Mature. 6 Fertilized. 5 Made it to PGS. ET
11/2/12: CANCELED. All 5 came back from PGS as having "severe
abnormalities." IVF #2:
1/7/13 Baseline: FSH- 8.8, 4 follicles in my right & 6 in my left.
Rx: 150 Bravelle & 150 Menopur SQ nightly. 1/11/13: Add Ganirelix SQ every
morning. hCG Trigger 1/16/13
ER 1/18/13: 9 Retrieved. 5 Mature. 5 Fertilized. 2 Made it to PGS. ET 1/23/13:
CANCELED. All embryos (he even sent the ones not growing) came back from PGS as
having "multiple severe abnormalities." IVF #3: NEW RE! 3/1/13 Baseline: FSH- 9.6, E2- 61, Prog- 0.94, 3
follicles in my right & 4 in my left. Rx: 150 Bravelle& 150
Menopur SQ in PM. 3/7/13: Add Ganirelix SQ in AM. hCG Trigger 3/9/13 SQ. ER 3/11/13: 6R, 2M, 2F. Day 3: one 8 cell, grade 0. Five day ET 3/16/13: one
early blast, grade Fair. 3/24/13 AF came a day before beta. BFN IVF #4:(Added acupuncture to this cycle.) 3/25/13 WTF & Baseline:
FSH-11.8, E2- 56, Prog- 0.84 3/26/13 Start stims. 3/30/13 u/s: 5
follicles in my right & 4 in my left. Rx: 225 Bravelle& 225
Menopur SQ in PM. 3/31/13 Add Ganirelix SQ in AM.hCG Trigger 4/3/13 SQ. ER 4/5/13: 5R, 3M, 3F naturally. Day 3: two 8 cell, grade 0, one 8 cell, grade 2
(Scale 0-best to 3-worst). Five day ET 4/10/13: two blastocysts (the 3rd
stopped growing.) Beta 4/18/13: 2.5 BFFN. RE recommends we stop trying and
focus on living childless, due to the extremely poor quality of my
eggs. ***Decided
to stop trying and live CFNBC. I couldn't adjust. So, six months later... IVF #5: Changed RE. Going to one of the big name clinics now.
OWDU: 10/29/13. Update: HORRIBLE experience. Disgusted and distraught at their complete unprofessionalism and how much money and precious time they cost us. Sickening. Have now changed RE again. New Patient appt. 1/30/14. BFP! Out of nowhere, I got KU the old fashioned way! POAS 1/26/14 - Positive! FDLM 12/30/13. Beta #1 16dpo= 373. Beta #2 18dpo= 801. EDD 10/6/14 2/4/14 1st U/S revealed a 5wk2day sac but no fetal pole. Started 200mgs of progesterone suppositories daily 2/11/14 2nd U/S revealed a perfect 6wk1day "diamond ring" embryo with a beating heart! 138bpm! Add 1mg folic acid and 40mg Lovenox 2/25/14 3rd U/S: perfect 8w1d embryo, 178bpm. 3/6 start spotting. 3/11 10w1d U/S shows no heartbeat. Scheduling D&C. The Stork has forsaken me again. IVF #5.2: New in-state RE. Supplement priming for 1.5 cycles prior to start of cycle, including DHEA 50mg (stopped 5/15), CoQ10 200mg 2x/day, L-Arginine- 1000mg 2x/day (stopped 6/5 due to cold sore!), myo-inositol- 2g 2x/day, melatonin- 3mg, and Neevo (prenatal for MTHFR). 5/16/14 Day 2 bw cycle prior: FSH- 12.22, E2- 38.37, Prog- 1.35, LH- 9.46. 6/2/14 Day 19 bw: Prog- 23 6/12/14 Baseline: E2- 122.7, Prog- 0.4. 5 follicles in left, 4 follicles in right. Start stims: 375IU Follistim & 150IU Menopur. 6/19 Increase Follistim to 425IU, Menopur still 150IU. 6/18 add Ganirelix. 6/23 Ovidrel trigger SQ. 6/25 ER: 8R, 8M, 5F naturally. Start Medrol & Doxy. 6/26 Start Endometrin. 7/2 Start Lovenox. 7/8/14 Beta= 137.4 BFP!!! (My first from IVF!) E2- 1109, Prog- >60. Stop CoQ10, myo-inositol, and melatonin. 7/9 2nd Beta= 281.4. TSH- 2.70. Increasing Synthroid to 100mcg daily. 7/24 6w3d u/s measured 6w3d, hb: 121bmp! 8/5 8w1d u/s measured 8w3d, hb: 164bpm! Graduated from RE to OB. Now I just need to find an OB! EDD 3/18/15!
Thanks for tagging those lovely ladies. I don't need to be on here more than two days. I saw all I need to see right here in this thread. I WILL go CBGB. Thanks for that suggestion. And then I will TGHJE and GJEEAJTSEJTYASJ and then I am going to go downstairs and GHESDJRFJFDSDRFHFR^%$$ and maybe I will DDDSSHH!!!
OMG, how did I miss all of this fun?!?! This is why the Bump is so awesome. Gotta say, @EllyD14 , you really know how to keep a board on its toes. Keep going, everyone. My Monday just got exciting.
Okay, @amberdex, I at least made it part way through and see that you're going to bring up my number of abuse flags as a reason that I must be a terrible person. So let's go there.
I have 16 that have not been removed. Click on them and you can see where I've been flagged for abuse.
Only 3 are actually visible because the rest of the threads where the abuse flags came from were so terrible they were deleted and the people saying terrible things were banned. The other three are still not so great.
One I told someone to fuck off after she told the TTGP board that the universe didn't think any of them were good enough to reproduce. That person was then banned for being offensive. Not a TOU violation on my part.
Next I told someone they needed to go the fuck away after she asked if someone that is CFNBC and has experienced pregnancy loss had delivered her dead baby yet. That person was then banned. Not a TOU violation on my part.
And the third one was when I called someone out for playing the pain olympics. Which, again, wasn't a TOU violation on my part.
Son: Jackson, 11/02/06, stillborn due to PPROM and IUGR. Over the next ten years we had 9 miscarriages from 8-14 weeks. On May 18, 2016 my daughter, Ridley, was born. We're OADNBC.
Thanks for tagging those lovely ladies. I don't need to be on here more than two days. I saw all I need to see right here in this thread. I WILL go CBGB. Thanks for that suggestion. And then I will TGHJE and GJEEAJTSEJTYASJ and then I am going to go downstairs and GHESDJRFJFDSDRFHFR^%$$ and maybe I will DDDSSHH!!!
@amberdex this is one of my first times ever being called out on the bump. So thanks for that. I just want to point out that I never cussed. I just pointed out that she shouldn't flag people because that isn't cool and also that I didn't want to see her bare belly because I thought it was unnecessary which by the way it is.
Also, no one here was being a bully or really even that harsh. All the women you called out are very supportive on this board. If you had bothered to click on their post history rather then just look at the number of flags they have.
Do we have a mod yet because this shit is getting out of control. Seriously people AEs and flagging things that is not flag worthy is not cool. Also, randomly posting a picture of your bare belly to show your bloat to us is also really unnecessary in my humble opinion.
Shit. You said shit. I highlighted it. It says shit.
@Amberdex You need to let it go. Shit happens, woman.
Shit. You said shit. I highlighted it. It says shit.
ETA: This is fun. I think I'm going to start doing this randomly.
Son: Jackson, 11/02/06, stillborn due to PPROM and IUGR. Over the next ten years we had 9 miscarriages from 8-14 weeks. On May 18, 2016 my daughter, Ridley, was born. We're OADNBC.
This is still going on. Shit people. I would just like to add that I just stopped for a smothered burrito at Taco Bell and holy fuck is it delicious. Doesn't a smothered burrito sound so much better then all of this anger.
This is still going on. Shit people. I would just like to add that I just stopped for a smothered burrito at Taco Bell and holy fuck is it delicious. Doesn't a smothered burrito sound so much better then all of this anger.
Damn it, it really does. Now I need a burrito. Might have to settle for chips and salsa because my kiddo is asleep. Burrrrrrriiiiiiiitttttttoooooooooooooo!
This is still going on. Shit people. I would just like to add that I just stopped for a smothered burrito at Taco Bell and holy fuck is it delicious. Doesn't a smothered burrito sound so much better then all of this anger.
Do the rest of us actually sound angry? I am completely misreading tone here?
Son: Jackson, 11/02/06, stillborn due to PPROM and IUGR. Over the next ten years we had 9 miscarriages from 8-14 weeks. On May 18, 2016 my daughter, Ridley, was born. We're OADNBC.
This is still going on. Shit people. I would just like to add that I just stopped for a smothered burrito at Taco Bell and holy fuck is it delicious. Doesn't a smothered burrito sound so much better then all of this anger.
Damn it, it really does. Now I need a burrito. Might have to settle for chips and salsa because my kiddo is asleep. Burrrrrrriiiiiiiitttttttoooooooooooooo!
Taco Bell is now calling my name.......... Also my kid is currently using my bra as a hat. Happy laundry day everyone!
This is still going on. Shit people. I would just like to add that I just stopped for a smothered burrito at Taco Bell and holy fuck is it delicious. Doesn't a smothered burrito sound so much better then all of this anger.
Do we have a mod yet because this shit is getting out of control. Seriously people AEs and flagging things that is not flag worthy is not cool. Also, randomly posting a picture of your bare belly to show your bloat to us is also really unnecessary in my humble opinion.
Shit. You said shit. I highlighted it. It says shit.
If saying "Shit" is enough to get you called out, then I'm fucking screwed... As are about 90% of every individual between the ages of 11 and 111. Yikes...
This is still going on. Shit people. I would just like to add that I just stopped for a smothered burrito at Taco Bell and holy fuck is it delicious. Doesn't a smothered burrito sound so much better then all of this anger.
I just discovered these last month. I am addicted! I get the shredded chicken smothered burritos, but I add lettuce and tomato... you know, to make it healthy. LOVE these & wish I had known about them sooner!
PAIF/SAIF Welcome!
Me: 42, Hubby: 35, TTC since Jan 2010. Dx: DOR due to advanced maternal age.
Also: Hypothyroidism (100mcg Levothyroxin). Positive for MTHFR (hetero-C677T), Factor V Leiden, and Fragile X (on DH side). Taking pre-natal vitamins. First natural PG 9/27/11; mc: 1/20/12 First RE visit: 8/8/12, Saline Sonogram: 8/28/12, IVF injection class: 10/11/12, add FaBB Tab for FVL, +Vitamin D. IVF #1:
10/17/12 Baseline: FSH- 9.4, E2- 24, LH- 3.7, Prog- 0.3 The u/s
showed 6 follicles in my right & 9 in my left. Rx: 150 Bravelle &
150 Menopur SQ nightly. 10/21/12: Add Ganirelix SQ every morning.
ER 10/28/12: 13 Retreived. 7 Mature. 6 Fertilized. 5 Made it to PGS. ET
11/2/12: CANCELED. All 5 came back from PGS as having "severe
abnormalities." IVF #2:
1/7/13 Baseline: FSH- 8.8, 4 follicles in my right & 6 in my left.
Rx: 150 Bravelle & 150 Menopur SQ nightly. 1/11/13: Add Ganirelix SQ every
morning. hCG Trigger 1/16/13
ER 1/18/13: 9 Retrieved. 5 Mature. 5 Fertilized. 2 Made it to PGS. ET 1/23/13:
CANCELED. All embryos (he even sent the ones not growing) came back from PGS as
having "multiple severe abnormalities." IVF #3: NEW RE! 3/1/13 Baseline: FSH- 9.6, E2- 61, Prog- 0.94, 3
follicles in my right & 4 in my left. Rx: 150 Bravelle& 150
Menopur SQ in PM. 3/7/13: Add Ganirelix SQ in AM. hCG Trigger 3/9/13 SQ. ER 3/11/13: 6R, 2M, 2F. Day 3: one 8 cell, grade 0. Five day ET 3/16/13: one
early blast, grade Fair. 3/24/13 AF came a day before beta. BFN IVF #4:(Added acupuncture to this cycle.) 3/25/13 WTF & Baseline:
FSH-11.8, E2- 56, Prog- 0.84 3/26/13 Start stims. 3/30/13 u/s: 5
follicles in my right & 4 in my left. Rx: 225 Bravelle& 225
Menopur SQ in PM. 3/31/13 Add Ganirelix SQ in AM.hCG Trigger 4/3/13 SQ. ER 4/5/13: 5R, 3M, 3F naturally. Day 3: two 8 cell, grade 0, one 8 cell, grade 2
(Scale 0-best to 3-worst). Five day ET 4/10/13: two blastocysts (the 3rd
stopped growing.) Beta 4/18/13: 2.5 BFFN. RE recommends we stop trying and
focus on living childless, due to the extremely poor quality of my
eggs. ***Decided
to stop trying and live CFNBC. I couldn't adjust. So, six months later... IVF #5: Changed RE. Going to one of the big name clinics now.
OWDU: 10/29/13. Update: HORRIBLE experience. Disgusted and distraught at their complete unprofessionalism and how much money and precious time they cost us. Sickening. Have now changed RE again. New Patient appt. 1/30/14. BFP! Out of nowhere, I got KU the old fashioned way! POAS 1/26/14 - Positive! FDLM 12/30/13. Beta #1 16dpo= 373. Beta #2 18dpo= 801. EDD 10/6/14 2/4/14 1st U/S revealed a 5wk2day sac but no fetal pole. Started 200mgs of progesterone suppositories daily 2/11/14 2nd U/S revealed a perfect 6wk1day "diamond ring" embryo with a beating heart! 138bpm! Add 1mg folic acid and 40mg Lovenox 2/25/14 3rd U/S: perfect 8w1d embryo, 178bpm. 3/6 start spotting. 3/11 10w1d U/S shows no heartbeat. Scheduling D&C. The Stork has forsaken me again. IVF #5.2: New in-state RE. Supplement priming for 1.5 cycles prior to start of cycle, including DHEA 50mg (stopped 5/15), CoQ10 200mg 2x/day, L-Arginine- 1000mg 2x/day (stopped 6/5 due to cold sore!), myo-inositol- 2g 2x/day, melatonin- 3mg, and Neevo (prenatal for MTHFR). 5/16/14 Day 2 bw cycle prior: FSH- 12.22, E2- 38.37, Prog- 1.35, LH- 9.46. 6/2/14 Day 19 bw: Prog- 23 6/12/14 Baseline: E2- 122.7, Prog- 0.4. 5 follicles in left, 4 follicles in right. Start stims: 375IU Follistim & 150IU Menopur. 6/19 Increase Follistim to 425IU, Menopur still 150IU. 6/18 add Ganirelix. 6/23 Ovidrel trigger SQ. 6/25 ER: 8R, 8M, 5F naturally. Start Medrol & Doxy. 6/26 Start Endometrin. 7/2 Start Lovenox. 7/8/14 Beta= 137.4 BFP!!! (My first from IVF!) E2- 1109, Prog- >60. Stop CoQ10, myo-inositol, and melatonin. 7/9 2nd Beta= 281.4. TSH- 2.70. Increasing Synthroid to 100mcg daily. 7/24 6w3d u/s measured 6w3d, hb: 121bmp! 8/5 8w1d u/s measured 8w3d, hb: 164bpm! Graduated from RE to OB. Now I just need to find an OB! EDD 3/18/15!
Re: SOOOO BLOATED!!!
#2- If you don't like to curse then don't. But don't tell me how I'm allowed to communicate.
#3- You don't have time for bickering, and yet here you are.
#4- I'm overjoyed to be pregnant, too. I've also suffered pregnancy loss and am terrified that it will happen again. However, that doesn't change my personality or make me think that people that say dumb things should not be given the correct information. And if I try to bring in humor to make something easier to handle, I see nothing wrong with that. I'm sorry you don't have a sense of humor.
#5- I 100% agree. No one should be cruel. If I see someone being cruel you better believe I will be first in line to let them know how fucking terrible they're being.
Mmm... Pete Wentz.
Look beyond the shit show threads of "bloat or bump" and " can't sleep/wait until I find out the gender of my baby" and you will see that the same women you accuse of not showing support actually do show lots of support. Click on their profile and you will see way more of positive stuff over negative stuff. And no one said that once you become pregnant that you have to be nice to all pregnant women. People are different and some people do not jive. Get over it and move on down the road.
I am writing this in the language many people on this thread seem to speak. Please understand this isn't normally how I would conduct myself. In wondering about bloat vs. bump I clicked on this thread. Here is what I learned from reading it. I better not EVER fucking think of posting some stupid fucking thing that's already been posted 30 fucking times or I will be attacked by a bunch of grown woman bullies who act like they are 17 fucking years old and are intimidating girls in the bathroom like they used to do in high school. And I am saying "fucking" so many times because EllyD14, theresat858, dorthyzbornak, aander6 and probably others say it is totally okay to say fuck and shit and fat and everything else under the sun while they keep referring to the TOU which says "No strong vulgar, obscene or otherwise harmful language." But clearly that doesn't apply to Elly D14 or these other "mean girls". This is the biggest waste of time ever. Someone said, "this isn't support group. This is a community". Here is a definition of community: 'an interacting population of various kinds of individuals in a common location.' Yep. That's about it. Sorry you don't want it to be any more than that. Just a bunch of snarky, nasty interaction. And btw, EllyD14 may very well have said some nice things to other people on other threads but she also has 16 abuse thingies or whatever the hell they are called which is a lot more than anyone else I clicked on. I suggest if you girls don't like reading YET ANOTHER fucking bloat thread then DON'T CLICK ON IT. You're like vultures circling this site looking for weak meat to stop moving long enough so you can land and start pecking mercilessly in a pack. You should be ashamed of yourselves. I can only conclude you are miserable and stuck inside this winter and deficient in vitamin D. Maybe you should purchase some full-spectrum light for your SAD condition. Please PLEASE PLEASE point out my hypocrisy I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!! You are all so smart with your facts and reality!! OH my butt hurts!! I'm so butt-hurt!!! I bet your favorite part of Carrie is when they throw pads and tampons at her in the shower. You probably wear foam fingers and scream at the screen during that part. And please.... 10-13 years from now when your "precious" is in in-school suspension constantly and you wonder why.....don't. Don't wonder why. You are why. And to those of you who wonder if you are showing already, why not? Maybe you are! The TOU also states no one here is a doctor even though the bloat police will post charts and graphs and tell you all about your bones the baby is under and make you think you are a fucking idiot for thinking you uterus is growing at 9 weeks Bullies calm down. Being so negative and hateful (even though you insist you are cool as a cucumber and not being hateful) is bad for baby. I'll take unicorns and puppy farts or whatever the other sites offer over this SHIT any day. Have fun high-fiving each other for making "newbies" feel stupid. Yes my account is 2 days old. Way to make a first impression (as veterans of The Bump on this thread like to say to others).
To the bullies, have a blessed fucking day, here's a cute kitty for you.
Personally, I love all of these ladies, and I find it hard to believe that someone who's been on TB for 2 days is going to have any effect on them. I'll at least give you a C- for effort though. In the meantime, go ahead and GBCB.
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Emma Rose - 9.14.05 Beckett - 5.26.07 Sawyer - 9.22.12 Lennon Mae - 9.26.14
But I take it you're unhappy?
PS. I think your vulture ate the cute kitty.
My BLOG: www.ivfbabyquest.wordpress.com -Update - old blog.
PAIF/SAIF Welcome!
Me: 42, Hubby: 35, TTC since Jan 2010. Dx: DOR due to advanced maternal age. Also: Hypothyroidism (100mcg Levothyroxin). Positive for MTHFR (hetero-C677T), Factor V Leiden, and Fragile X (on DH side). Taking pre-natal vitamins.
First natural PG 9/27/11; mc: 1/20/12
First RE visit: 8/8/12, Saline Sonogram: 8/28/12, IVF injection class: 10/11/12, add FaBB Tab for FVL, +Vitamin D.
IVF #1: 10/17/12 Baseline: FSH- 9.4, E2- 24, LH- 3.7, Prog- 0.3 The u/s showed 6 follicles in my right & 9 in my left. Rx: 150 Bravelle & 150 Menopur SQ nightly. 10/21/12: Add Ganirelix SQ every morning.
ER 10/28/12: 13 Retreived. 7 Mature. 6 Fertilized. 5 Made it to PGS. ET 11/2/12: CANCELED. All 5 came back from PGS as having "severe abnormalities."
IVF #2: 1/7/13 Baseline: FSH- 8.8, 4 follicles in my right & 6 in my left. Rx: 150 Bravelle & 150 Menopur SQ nightly. 1/11/13: Add Ganirelix SQ every morning. hCG Trigger 1/16/13
ER 1/18/13: 9 Retrieved. 5 Mature. 5 Fertilized. 2 Made it to PGS. ET 1/23/13: CANCELED. All embryos (he even sent the ones not growing) came back from PGS as having "multiple severe abnormalities."
IVF #3: NEW RE! 3/1/13 Baseline: FSH- 9.6, E2- 61, Prog- 0.94, 3 follicles in my right & 4 in my left. Rx: 150 Bravelle& 150 Menopur SQ in PM. 3/7/13: Add Ganirelix SQ in AM. hCG Trigger 3/9/13 SQ.
ER 3/11/13: 6R, 2M, 2F. Day 3: one 8 cell, grade 0. Five day ET 3/16/13: one early blast, grade Fair. 3/24/13 AF came a day before beta. BFN
IVF #4: (Added acupuncture to this cycle.) 3/25/13 WTF & Baseline: FSH-11.8, E2- 56, Prog- 0.84 3/26/13 Start stims. 3/30/13 u/s: 5 follicles in my right & 4 in my left. Rx: 225 Bravelle& 225 Menopur SQ in PM. 3/31/13 Add Ganirelix SQ in AM.hCG Trigger 4/3/13 SQ.
ER 4/5/13: 5R, 3M, 3F naturally. Day 3: two 8 cell, grade 0, one 8 cell, grade 2 (Scale 0-best to 3-worst). Five day ET 4/10/13: two blastocysts (the 3rd stopped growing.) Beta 4/18/13: 2.5 BFFN. RE recommends we stop trying and focus on living childless, due to the extremely poor quality of my eggs.
***Decided to stop trying and live CFNBC. I couldn't adjust. So, six months later...
IVF #5: Changed RE. Going to one of the big name clinics now. OWDU: 10/29/13. Update: HORRIBLE experience. Disgusted and distraught at their complete unprofessionalism and how much money and precious time they cost us. Sickening. Have now changed RE again. New Patient appt. 1/30/14.
BFP! Out of nowhere, I got KU the old fashioned way! POAS 1/26/14 - Positive! FDLM 12/30/13. Beta #1 16dpo= 373. Beta #2 18dpo= 801. EDD 10/6/14
2/4/14 1st U/S revealed a 5wk2day sac but no fetal pole. Started 200mgs of progesterone suppositories daily
2/11/14 2nd U/S revealed a perfect 6wk1day "diamond ring" embryo with a beating heart! 138bpm! Add 1mg folic acid and 40mg Lovenox
2/25/14 3rd U/S: perfect 8w1d embryo, 178bpm. 3/6 start spotting. 3/11 10w1d U/S shows no heartbeat. Scheduling D&C. The Stork has forsaken me again.
IVF #5.2: New in-state RE. Supplement priming for 1.5 cycles prior to start of cycle, including DHEA 50mg (stopped 5/15), CoQ10 200mg 2x/day, L-Arginine- 1000mg 2x/day (stopped 6/5 due to cold sore!), myo-inositol- 2g 2x/day, melatonin- 3mg, and Neevo (prenatal for MTHFR).
5/16/14 Day 2 bw cycle prior: FSH- 12.22, E2- 38.37, Prog- 1.35, LH- 9.46. 6/2/14 Day 19 bw: Prog- 23
6/12/14 Baseline: E2- 122.7, Prog- 0.4. 5 follicles in left, 4 follicles in right. Start stims: 375IU Follistim & 150IU Menopur. 6/19 Increase Follistim to 425IU, Menopur still 150IU. 6/18 add Ganirelix. 6/23 Ovidrel trigger SQ. 6/25 ER: 8R, 8M, 5F naturally. Start Medrol & Doxy. 6/26 Start Endometrin. 7/2 Start Lovenox.
7/8/14 Beta= 137.4 BFP!!! (My first from IVF!) E2- 1109, Prog- >60. Stop CoQ10, myo-inositol, and melatonin. 7/9 2nd Beta= 281.4. TSH- 2.70. Increasing Synthroid to 100mcg daily. 7/24 6w3d u/s measured 6w3d, hb: 121bmp! 8/5 8w1d u/s measured 8w3d, hb: 164bpm! Graduated from RE to OB. Now I just need to find an OB!
EDD 3/18/15!
I have 16 that have not been removed. Click on them and you can see where I've been flagged for abuse.
Only 3 are actually visible because the rest of the threads where the abuse flags came from were so terrible they were deleted and the people saying terrible things were banned. The other three are still not so great.
One I told someone to fuck off after she told the TTGP board that the universe didn't think any of them were good enough to reproduce. That person was then banned for being offensive. Not a TOU violation on my part.
Next I told someone they needed to go the fuck away after she asked if someone that is CFNBC and has experienced pregnancy loss had delivered her dead baby yet. That person was then banned. Not a TOU violation on my part.
And the third one was when I called someone out for playing the pain olympics. Which, again, wasn't a TOU violation on my part.
ETA: This is fun. I think I'm going to start doing this randomly.
Pretty sure @amberdex is the only angry one.
Do the rest of us actually sound angry? I am completely misreading tone here?
If saying "Shit" is enough to get you called out, then I'm fucking screwed... As are about 90% of every individual between the ages of 11 and 111. Yikes...
My BLOG: www.ivfbabyquest.wordpress.com -Update - old blog.
PAIF/SAIF Welcome!
Me: 42, Hubby: 35, TTC since Jan 2010. Dx: DOR due to advanced maternal age. Also: Hypothyroidism (100mcg Levothyroxin). Positive for MTHFR (hetero-C677T), Factor V Leiden, and Fragile X (on DH side). Taking pre-natal vitamins.
First natural PG 9/27/11; mc: 1/20/12
First RE visit: 8/8/12, Saline Sonogram: 8/28/12, IVF injection class: 10/11/12, add FaBB Tab for FVL, +Vitamin D.
IVF #1: 10/17/12 Baseline: FSH- 9.4, E2- 24, LH- 3.7, Prog- 0.3 The u/s showed 6 follicles in my right & 9 in my left. Rx: 150 Bravelle & 150 Menopur SQ nightly. 10/21/12: Add Ganirelix SQ every morning.
ER 10/28/12: 13 Retreived. 7 Mature. 6 Fertilized. 5 Made it to PGS. ET 11/2/12: CANCELED. All 5 came back from PGS as having "severe abnormalities."
IVF #2: 1/7/13 Baseline: FSH- 8.8, 4 follicles in my right & 6 in my left. Rx: 150 Bravelle & 150 Menopur SQ nightly. 1/11/13: Add Ganirelix SQ every morning. hCG Trigger 1/16/13
ER 1/18/13: 9 Retrieved. 5 Mature. 5 Fertilized. 2 Made it to PGS. ET 1/23/13: CANCELED. All embryos (he even sent the ones not growing) came back from PGS as having "multiple severe abnormalities."
IVF #3: NEW RE! 3/1/13 Baseline: FSH- 9.6, E2- 61, Prog- 0.94, 3 follicles in my right & 4 in my left. Rx: 150 Bravelle& 150 Menopur SQ in PM. 3/7/13: Add Ganirelix SQ in AM. hCG Trigger 3/9/13 SQ.
ER 3/11/13: 6R, 2M, 2F. Day 3: one 8 cell, grade 0. Five day ET 3/16/13: one early blast, grade Fair. 3/24/13 AF came a day before beta. BFN
IVF #4: (Added acupuncture to this cycle.) 3/25/13 WTF & Baseline: FSH-11.8, E2- 56, Prog- 0.84 3/26/13 Start stims. 3/30/13 u/s: 5 follicles in my right & 4 in my left. Rx: 225 Bravelle& 225 Menopur SQ in PM. 3/31/13 Add Ganirelix SQ in AM.hCG Trigger 4/3/13 SQ.
ER 4/5/13: 5R, 3M, 3F naturally. Day 3: two 8 cell, grade 0, one 8 cell, grade 2 (Scale 0-best to 3-worst). Five day ET 4/10/13: two blastocysts (the 3rd stopped growing.) Beta 4/18/13: 2.5 BFFN. RE recommends we stop trying and focus on living childless, due to the extremely poor quality of my eggs.
***Decided to stop trying and live CFNBC. I couldn't adjust. So, six months later...
IVF #5: Changed RE. Going to one of the big name clinics now. OWDU: 10/29/13. Update: HORRIBLE experience. Disgusted and distraught at their complete unprofessionalism and how much money and precious time they cost us. Sickening. Have now changed RE again. New Patient appt. 1/30/14.
BFP! Out of nowhere, I got KU the old fashioned way! POAS 1/26/14 - Positive! FDLM 12/30/13. Beta #1 16dpo= 373. Beta #2 18dpo= 801. EDD 10/6/14
2/4/14 1st U/S revealed a 5wk2day sac but no fetal pole. Started 200mgs of progesterone suppositories daily
2/11/14 2nd U/S revealed a perfect 6wk1day "diamond ring" embryo with a beating heart! 138bpm! Add 1mg folic acid and 40mg Lovenox
2/25/14 3rd U/S: perfect 8w1d embryo, 178bpm. 3/6 start spotting. 3/11 10w1d U/S shows no heartbeat. Scheduling D&C. The Stork has forsaken me again.
IVF #5.2: New in-state RE. Supplement priming for 1.5 cycles prior to start of cycle, including DHEA 50mg (stopped 5/15), CoQ10 200mg 2x/day, L-Arginine- 1000mg 2x/day (stopped 6/5 due to cold sore!), myo-inositol- 2g 2x/day, melatonin- 3mg, and Neevo (prenatal for MTHFR).
5/16/14 Day 2 bw cycle prior: FSH- 12.22, E2- 38.37, Prog- 1.35, LH- 9.46. 6/2/14 Day 19 bw: Prog- 23
6/12/14 Baseline: E2- 122.7, Prog- 0.4. 5 follicles in left, 4 follicles in right. Start stims: 375IU Follistim & 150IU Menopur. 6/19 Increase Follistim to 425IU, Menopur still 150IU. 6/18 add Ganirelix. 6/23 Ovidrel trigger SQ. 6/25 ER: 8R, 8M, 5F naturally. Start Medrol & Doxy. 6/26 Start Endometrin. 7/2 Start Lovenox.
7/8/14 Beta= 137.4 BFP!!! (My first from IVF!) E2- 1109, Prog- >60. Stop CoQ10, myo-inositol, and melatonin. 7/9 2nd Beta= 281.4. TSH- 2.70. Increasing Synthroid to 100mcg daily. 7/24 6w3d u/s measured 6w3d, hb: 121bmp! 8/5 8w1d u/s measured 8w3d, hb: 164bpm! Graduated from RE to OB. Now I just need to find an OB!
EDD 3/18/15!
Married 8/27/2011
BFP #1 9/28/2011 DS born 5/22/2012
BFP #2 4/24/2013 m/c 4/25/2013 at 4w
BFP #3 1/31/2014 DD born 10/14/2014
BFP #4 1/20/2016 m/c 2/12/2014 at 7w2d
BFP #5 8/19/2016 DS2 born 4/29/2017
BFP #6 3/7/2018 EDD 11/18/2018