UO Thursday

JSS1002

mrandmrsk91011 said:

My U/O -nbsp;In the age of increased liability and frivolous lawsuits, companies wind losing too much money covering their own butts because users don't take care of the products they buy.  

*ducks for cover*

As someone who works on a contingency fee frequently (meaning I don't get paid unless I recover for my clients) I can tell you there aren't a lot of "frivolous" claims. Why would I invest 2 years of my time and thousands of dollars in expenses if I have little chance of getting paid? Juries of people like you are the ones who decide cases. You, the American juror, aren't going to award my client anything for a frivolous case. And I think you are putting waaaay more faith in corporate America to pull bad products than is warranted. Ford, for example, made an economic decision not to redesign the Pinto fuel tank because it was cheaper to settle lawsuits where people were seriously injured or killed than to fix the damn product.

I do see your point. But in this specific case, its a user error issue that people have blown WAY out of proportion. As far as frivolous lawsuits go, it may not happen as much in corporate America, but between my husband working with law enforcement and my friends who work in the medical field, I hear about juries giving awards to frivolous lawsuits more than I thought actually happened. And from a justice perspective, it bothers me.

"Hear about" juries giving frivolous awards. That's the part that annoys the bejesus out of me. That is plain old fashioned propaganda from the US Chamber of Commerce and insurance lobby. Do you know of specific cases where juries awarded damages that were unfair? The rumor milk =/= evidence of an actual problem with the US legal system. It costs tens of thousands of dollars to sue a doctor that effs up. No one is going to bring that claim unless there is some merit to it.

A friend of mine, E, was sued for medical malpractice. She had done absolutely nothing wrong, kept pristine records, and the patient was awarded $1,000,000. After the trial the judge asked the jury if they thought she had done anything wrong and they said no, but that the patient had suffered so he deserved compensation. So my friend is now bankrupt and has a medical malpractice suit on her record for doing nothing wrong. Im not faulting the legal system. I have absolutely nothing against lawyers. I just think that people are often quick to place blame instead of being adults and accepting that they are at fault.

Why on earth didn't your friend have malpractice insurance?!

ClandestineX

I am not a huge fan of this wood stove ban they're trying to implement. I understand in places like big cities, but apparently it is one size fit all rules and that is basically saying "oh well" to people in rural areas.

Pollution is bad here in the US, but wood burning stoves would not make us turn into China. I believe that if they really want to target and get rid of pollution there are a dozen other things they could do, but they don't want to do, to help combat air pollution.

Kate_C

@mrandmrsk91011 - to avoid quote tree... That case should then have been overturned on the legal basis for lack of evidence on negligence. Your friend either isn't giving you the full picture or got bad advice from her own lawyer on how to handle the verdict.

In MN you can't even start a malpractice case without an expert retained saying there was malpractice. Doctors hate testifying against other doctors so that is a very effective screening tool. And a lot of cases get dismissed on legal arguments about causation. A verdict cannot be sustained just because the jury feels bad for a plaintiff.

JSS1002

mrandmrsk91011 said:

mrandmrsk91011 said:

My U/O -nbsp;In the age of increased liability and frivolous lawsuits, companies wind losing too much money covering their own butts because users don't take care of the products they buy.  

*ducks for cover*

As someone who works on a contingency fee frequently (meaning I don't get paid unless I recover for my clients) I can tell you there aren't a lot of "frivolous" claims. Why would I invest 2 years of my time and thousands of dollars in expenses if I have little chance of getting paid? Juries of people like you are the ones who decide cases. You, the American juror, aren't going to award my client anything for a frivolous case. And I think you are putting waaaay more faith in corporate America to pull bad products than is warranted. Ford, for example, made an economic decision not to redesign the Pinto fuel tank because it was cheaper to settle lawsuits where people were seriously injured or killed than to fix the damn product.

I do see your point. But in this specific case, its a user error issue that people have blown WAY out of proportion. As far as frivolous lawsuits go, it may not happen as much in corporate America, but between my husband working with law enforcement and my friends who work in the medical field, I hear about juries giving awards to frivolous lawsuits more than I thought actually happened. And from a justice perspective, it bothers me.

"Hear about" juries giving frivolous awards. That's the part that annoys the bejesus out of me. That is plain old fashioned propaganda from the US Chamber of Commerce and insurance lobby. Do you know of specific cases where juries awarded damages that were unfair? The rumor milk =/= evidence of an actual problem with the US legal system. It costs tens of thousands of dollars to sue a doctor that effs up. No one is going to bring that claim unless there is some merit to it.

A friend of mine, E, was sued for medical malpractice. She had done absolutely nothing wrong, kept pristine records, and the patient was awarded $1,000,000. After the trial the judge asked the jury if they thought she had done anything wrong and they said no, but that the patient had suffered so he deserved compensation. So my friend is now bankrupt and has a medical malpractice suit on her record for doing nothing wrong. Im not faulting the legal system. I have absolutely nothing against lawyers. I just think that people are often quick to place blame instead of being adults and accepting that they are at fault.

Why on earth didn't your friend have malpractice insurance?!

She does, but it only covered $250,000. Jury members began to cry when the judge explained the implications of their decision to award the patient that money. They just hadn't thought that the malpractice insurance only covered a certain amount.

That is terrible for your friend, but it sounds like she was underinsured???? Maybe I'm way off, but it seems like that is not a lot.  I mean, that's less than the replacement value of homeowners insurance.

love4b

@smiles21866 - totally agree. Mass market chocolate tastes like sweet waxy plastic @chicagobroad26 - hate cadburys and love pot lucks

@melissad23 - my husband and I have had separate accounts since day one and I love it. He's great at making money, but not so great at keeping it. He transfers almost all of his salary to my account each month to add to what I bring in and I pay the bills and invest out of that. 

@coffeemonster19 - chuck e cheese - totally with you. Eeeeew.

@ohsewcrafty - love the Winter Olympics, but I also love snowboarding and have been doing it since I was a kid. B will have one strapped to her feet as soon as she's walking  

@JSS1002 - I respectfully and wholeheartedly disagree re: c-sections.

My unpopular opinion is that living in a gated community, or any kind of subdivision where all the houses look the same, is my idea of hell.

Kate_C

minxyglams said:

My unpopular opinion is that living in a gated community, or any kind of subdivision where all the houses look the same, is my idea of hell.

Is it the gate that is the issue or just the homogenous nature of such communities?

I would kill for an attached garage, but otherwise would agree I prefer the look of more diverse communities with differing houses, established trees, etc. That said, I live in a pretty consistent neighborhood with lots of little old stucco houses... Ultimately not that different from a suburban development other than size of houses/lots!

smiles21866

@minxglams--"idea of hell" haha! Ahhhhh, where I live that's ALL they have! The HOA fees are more expensive than the mortgage! Don't even get me started on the annoying people who have no time on their hands and walk around taking pictures of "weeds" in your yard. One of my neighbors did everything possible to keep their yard up (it was their vacation home) and got fined $1500 because it "wasn't up to par". Give me a break.

love4b

Kate_C said:

My unpopular opinion is that living in a gated community, or any kind of subdivision where all the houses look the same, is my idea of hell.

Is it the gate that is the issue or just the homogenous nature of such communities? I would kill for an attached garage, but otherwise would agree I prefer the look of more diverse communities with differing houses, established trees, etc. That said, I live in a pretty consistent neighborhood with lots of little old stucco houses... Ultimately not that different from a suburban development other than size of houses/lots!

Homogenous nature coupled with what @smiles21866 said above

hatroopes

smiles21866 said:

@minxglams--"idea of hell" haha! Ahhhhh, where I live that's ALL they have! The HOA fees are more expensive than the mortgage! Don't even get me started on the annoying people who have no time on their hands and walk around taking pictures of "weeds" in your yard. One of my neighbors did everything possible to keep their yard up (it was their vacation home) and got fined $1500 because it "wasn't up to par". Give me a break.

We're those annoying neighbors who always have weeds and get fined all the time! It's like these people have nothing better to do on the weekends than yard work and worry about their house values going down because of the people over the fence...ain't nobody got time for that! I told DH we have to get professionals this year because the yard is his responsibility and he clearly can't keep up. He bought a riding lawn mower and we were doing fine for a few weeks till the novelty wore off.

JSS1002

Kate_C said:

My unpopular opinion is that living in a gated community, or any kind of subdivision where all the houses look the same, is my idea of hell.

Is it the gate that is the issue or just the homogenous nature of such communities? I would kill for an attached garage, but otherwise would agree I prefer the look of more diverse communities with differing houses, established trees, etc. That said, I live in a pretty consistent neighborhood with lots of little old stucco houses... Ultimately not that different from a suburban development other than size of houses/lots!

That's what I thought too.  Until I got knocked up, sold the house in 4 day, needed to move, and stumbled into this place that -- after living in a 100 year old house for over  decade -- is JUST. SO. EASY.  Mama + career girl ain't got not time for shit breaking.

melissad23

minxyglams said:

@smiles21866 - totally agree. Mass market chocolate tastes like sweet waxy plastic
@chicagobroad26 - hate cadburys and love pot lucks

@melissad23 - my husband and I have had separate accounts since day one and I love it. He's great at making money, but not so great at keeping it. He transfers almost all of his salary to my account each month to add to what I bring in and I pay the bills and invest out of that. 

@coffeemonster19 - chuck e cheese - totally with you. Eeeeew.

@ohsewcrafty - love the Winter Olympics, but I also love snowboarding and have been doing it since I was a kid. B will have one strapped to her feet as soon as she's walking  

@JSS1002 - I respectfully and wholeheartedly disagree re: c-sections.

My unpopular opinion is that living in a gated community, or any kind of subdivision where all the houses look the same, is my idea of hell.

But if he transfers the money into your account, couldn't he just as easily transfer it out negating the point?

CanukMam

Alpine Engaged said:

melissad23 said:

I know this is relatively unpopular on this board, but... I just can't fathom having a separate checking account from H. ETA: it just seems more roommate-y to me, then husband and wife-y, to say : I'll pay for this, you pay for that, etc...

My husband and I have a joint checking and saving account. Our money goes to our family and we're not big spenders. I buy clothes and he buys stuff for his dirtbike and it's never been an issue.

JSS1002 said:

I think women should be able to elect to have a c section if they want.  

I completely disagree and think that the focus needs to be on what is best for the baby instead of the selfish wants of the mother. I am still considering whether to try for a VBAC or have a repeat c-section, but this is only because I want to do what’s best for the baby and my body.

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I still can't believe that you can't fathom any reason for an elective csection other then a selfish mom. I choose an elective csection because I felt the risk was higher to attempt vaginal. Not for any medical reason other then the history of women in my family, which is not a medical reason and more of a gut instinct. Major surgery is not an easy choice and it is not selfish.

JSS1002

JSS1002 said:

I think women should be able to elect to have a c section if they want.  

I completely disagree and think that the focus needs to be on what is best for the baby instead of the selfish wants of the mother. I am still considering whether to try for a VBAC or have a repeat c-section, but this is only because I want to do what’s best for the baby and my body.

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I still can't believe that you can't fathom any reason for an elective csection other then a selfish mom. I choose an elective csection because I felt the risk was higher to attempt vaginal. Not for any medical reason other then the history of women in my family, which is not a medical reason and more of a gut instinct. Major surgery is not an easy choice and it is not selfish.

Plus, people choose homebirths,which has GOT to be less safe for mom and baby and it doesn't seem to have the same stigma.  I assure you tax payers don't pay for my insurance - although I'm paying for plenty of other people's insurance-- and if the CEO of united has to have one less filet mignon because of my wonderful C/S I can probably sleep okay at night because of that.  People have elective surgeries all the time that aren't necessary, I don't see why c/s is much different.  There is very VERY little risk to the baby -- probably a lot safer than forcing a vaginal birth that isn't working (ie, the reason for so many emergency c sections, like mine - heart rate dropped, baby stuck, pelvis too small... I wanted a c/s in the first place and it could have saved everybody a lot of trouble if they'd just offered me one!)

camdensmom32

JSS1002 said:

Alpine Engaged said:

JSS1002 said:

I think women should be able to elect to have a c section if they want.  

I completely disagree and think that the focus needs to be on what is best for the baby instead of the selfish wants of the mother. I am still considering whether to try for a VBAC or have a repeat c-section, but this is only because I want to do what’s best for the baby and my body.

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I still can't believe that you can't fathom any reason for an elective csection other then a selfish mom. I choose an elective csection because I felt the risk was higher to attempt vaginal. Not for any medical reason other then the history of women in my family, which is not a medical reason and more of a gut instinct. Major surgery is not an easy choice and it is not selfish.

Plus, people choose homebirths,which has GOT to be less safe for mom and baby and it doesn't seem to have the same stigma.  I assure you tax payers don't pay for my insurance - although I'm paying for plenty of other people's insurance-- and if the CEO of united has to have one less filet mignon because of my wonderful C/S I can probably sleep okay at night because of that.  People have elective surgeries all the time that aren't necessary, I don't see why c/s is much different.  There is very VERY little risk to the baby -- probably a lot safer than forcing a vaginal birth that isn't working (ie, the reason for so many emergency c sections, like mine - heart rate dropped, baby stuck, pelvis too small... I wanted a c/s in the first place and it could have saved everybody a lot of trouble if they'd just offered me one!)

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This!!! I agree with you @JSS1002

Kate_C

The Fritos subway sandwich sounds disgusting. Chips do not belong on sandwiches.

jaime52005

@Kate_C agree about that sandwich looking disgusting but potato chips on my ham and cheese sandwich is amazing!

jaime52005

My UO is .. I find a million of the boxed quotes extremely annoying because you have to scroll forever to get past stuff you already read just to see someone else's response on it

OhSewCrafty

Unpopular opinion or confession, you decide. 

I am ridiculously excited to turn 30 for some reason. 

ClandestineX

jaime52005 said:

@Kate_C agree about that sandwich looking disgusting but potato chips on my ham and cheese sandwich is amazing!

I kinda do this. Except it is more take a bite of sandwich and then a chip and chew together lol. 

@OhSewCrafty - That is refreshing to hear! 

La Olivia

I just can't with long blocks of quotes. About the c-sections... I'm not sure its really that different from the UAE breastfeeding mandate that we were talking about a while ago. I personally wouldn't choose a c-section unless it was medically indicated, but I also think that women who disagree with me should be free to act on their convictions.

Erin10408

Having had a vaginal birth, its just too hard for me to even wrap my head around electing to have major surgery IF a vaginal delivery was a safe situation for the mom and baby. I even chose my hospital due to its low c section rate. There are so many more risks, and yes, there are a lot of elective surgeries out there. But those only have risks for the person electing the surgery...not your unborn child as well.

CanukMam

Alpine engaged said:
Exactly you did what you thought was best for your baby=not selfish. I'm referring to mothers who talk about wanting a c-section because it's convenient. Plus I didn't say I couldn't fathom the idea. I totally get it why people would elect a c- section I just don't agree with doing it for any reason other than the well being of mom and the baby.

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The point is, I don't think ANY elective csection is a selfish decision. Its elective because the Dr hasn't anticipated any complications but Its a major surgery and more risky to the mother then a risk free vaginal birth. Its very risk free for the baby. To say that you disagree and giving THAT reason means you lump most moms in that category. I think moms should be able to make the decision themselves and their reasons are their own, just like moms who choose not to breastfeed. You do what YOU think works best for your baby and family. Not everyone is in the same situation and we should be able to make choices without having to defend them or be judged by blanket statements.

Erin10408

I would never elect anything for my baby that shows a higher risk for breathing problems, higher risk for low apgar scores, higher risk for premature/low birth weight...etc, etc. There is a purpose for your child being born vaginally....there are natural processes that are very beneficial when bringing your child into the world.

If there is risk to the mother or baby, and a c-section is safer...do it. That is what they are for. I'm all for women empowering themselves, but to make them elective, so a woman can say "I CHOSE to have a c-section...that is my right as a woman", does seem selfish. Absolutely.

CanukMam

There are tons of arguments about benifkts of breast feeding but I thinking introducing that anaology distracts from my point so I'll retract it.

You make it sound like a csection is not something to be afraid of. Anyone who wants a csection just to know the date of arrival is definitely brain dead...but again I wouldn't make blanket statements that all elective csections are bad. I would say they are right, with the exception of a few morons ( like everything else in life)

JSS1002

knitfaced said:

Unpopular opinion or confession, you decide. 

I am ridiculously excited to turn 30 for some reason. 

I would be ridiculously excited to turn 30 too!

Haha, I would be ridicuously excited about it too.  Actually, 30 was one of my absolute favorite years... hard, but so good... I finally ditched my asshole ex BF, I ran the marathon the weekend of my 30th birthday... I hit 72 lbs lost... it was amazing.  I feel like in my 30s is when my life started making sense.

JSS1002

jenbee829 said:

The Fritos subway sandwich sounds disgusting. Chips do not belong on sandwiches.

I'm going to have to vehemently disagree. Potato chips on a peanut butter sandwich? Delicious

Agreed.  I'd even take it a step further and say that I really like doritos / cheetos on a turkey sandwich.  However, the Subway sandwich I think looks gross not because of the chips, but because of the bread and the meat, which I'm sure is NOT great tasting enchilada meat.  And now BK is following suit with a burger or something with fritos on it.  What's with the fritos all of a sudden?  Fritos smell like wet dogs.

Erin10408

30 is fantastic.

Fritos smell like nasty feet.

That is all.

 

Erin10408

Alpine Engaged said:

Erin10408 said:

30 is fantastic.

Fritos smell like nasty feet.

That is all.

 

Take this back! What about honey bbq Fritos? MMMM!

HAHAHA...NEVER!! Seriously, I hate Fritos, so I've never had the honey BBQ.

OhSewCrafty

Alpine Engaged said:

mrandmrsk91011 said:

@OhSewCrafty 30 is great!

I agree! I feel much more established than I did in my 20's and I was 30 when C was born so what could be better!

That's exactly it!! My 20's were fun, but SO full of change and challenge and all that shitty growing up stuff. Not to say my 30's will be a cake walk, but I feel like I finally have things under control.