STM's ---- MMR Vaccine?

LolaBelle11

I have an almost 2 year old DS. I have delayed only his MMR vaccine because the research has just made me iffy on when is the right time, if ever, to administer it. He is up to date on all vaccines although I do spread them out so he only gets 2 not live vaccines at a time or 1 live vaccine at a time. 

I did the chicken pox vaccine alone and wanted to do MMR vaccine alone, but the autism word in the same topic as MMR vaccine just makes me worry. 

I guess what I am asking is how do you feel about it, when, if ever did or will you give your toddler the vaccine and after they had it what the reactions were like if any. I have done a lot of research on both sides, and both sides make a lot of sense to me so I am sort of stuck in the middle.

Thanks for your thoughts!

YankeePeach08

DS had all vaccines on time in accordance with the American Academy of Pediatrics and at his pedi's recommendation.

Good luck with your decision.

ETA: DS doesn't have autism, just in case that helps you make your decision. Again, good luck.

BoogieMonster629

DD gets all her vaccines on time, so far *knock on wood* she has never had a reaction to any shots.

memali26

My kids have been, and will continue to be, vaccinated according the CDC schedule. Including flu shots, MMR, and varicella. I feel very, very strongly that anyone who can be vaccinated should be, to contribute to herd immunity and help protect those who can't be vaxed (those who are too young, those who are allergic to some vaccines, immuno-compromised and unable to be vaxed, etc).

There is absolutely no link between the MMR vaccine (or any other vaccine) and autism. None. The original study that set off the panic was completely falsified. The study was retracted from the publication that originally published it and the "doctor" who did the study was barred from practicing.

YankeePeach08

Also, I believe (but may be wrong so someone who know more please correct me) if your child gets a live vaccine you need to avoid contact with them for 24 hours because even though you have been vaccinated your unborn LO hasn't.

If you do schedule the vaccine just mention it to the pedi.

memali26

YankeePeach08 said:

Also, I believe (but may be wrong so someone who know more please correct me) if your child gets a live vaccine you need to avoid contact with them for 24 hours because even though you have been vaccinated your unborn LO hasn't.

If you do schedule the vaccine just mention it to the pedi.

DD1 continued to get her vaccines on schedule while I was pregnant with DD2 and neither my OB or the pedi told me to avoid contact with her after a live vaccine. The only exception they stated was the flu mist nasal spray because of how it's administered. 

LolaBelle11

Thanks everyone, I am going to vax him, I was just wondering if there was any point to delaying it. 

icecreamandcake

I work in scientific research.  www.pubmed.org is a very highly respected peer reviewed site that will point you in the right direction to all relevant research.  I'm on board with pro-vax.

LolaBelle11

Okay then, so one more question. Should I do his Flu shot and MMR together at his 2 year appt, or do one and then wait a few weeks for the other?

bumpuser9058414

LolaBelle11 said:

Okay then, so one more question. Should I do his Flu shot and MMR together at his 2 year appt, or do one and then wait a few weeks for the other?

Has he had a flu shot before? If so and you know he hasn't had a reaction to it, I would do them together. 

ETA: forgot words

peachy0709

OMG I am in love with the fact that (at least the vocal) March 2014 mommies are pro-vax.

bumpuser9058414

I read this article the other day and loved it. It's about how pro-vaxers need to be as vocal as anti-vax!

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/jj-keith/vaccines_b_3829948.html

TradeMama

All 3 of my boys have been vaccinated according to the CDC schedule with no problems. When I was a child, I lived in a rural area in a third world country and even though I'd had my vaccines... When I moved to the US at age 7, my doctor couldn't understand my shot record... So I got all my shots again and had no problems.

ellajune2012

Just a question - don't you *have* to be up to date on MMR if you're going to be in school? How are so many kids not being vaccinated? I get there are some legitimate exceptions, but does "I am against vaccines" count?

I remember even for grad school the university made a huge to-do about getting my files from when I was vaccinated (which I found kind of funny only in that I'd been working at said university for 8 years and they didn't seem to care whether or not I had them as an employee, but suddenly it mattered when I enrolled in a class.) Not only that but they practically forced me to get a Hep-C vaccination even though there is virtually zero chance of my contracting it at this point.

wearebirds

Yay for Pro-vax!!! I have no kids that aren't currently in my bellehhh....but I have been a peds RN for a while. This LO will definitely be vaccinated on time with all vaccines [unless otherwise indicated].

LolaBelle11

He would be up to date by the time he started kindergarten as that's when dose 2 is given. I don't know how unvaxed kids are allowed in school

dancer7889

ellajune2012 said:

Just a question - don't you *have* to be up to date on MMR if you're going to be in school? How are so many kids not being vaccinated? I get there are some legitimate exceptions, but does "I am against vaccines" count?

I remember even for grad school the university made a huge to-do about getting my files from when I was vaccinated (which I found kind of funny only in that I'd been working at said university for 8 years and they didn't seem to care whether or not I had them as an employee, but suddenly it mattered when I enrolled in a class.) Not only that but they practically forced me to get a Hep-C vaccination even though there is virtually zero chance of my contracting it at this point.

You can claim "religious exemption" but I am guessing my non-vax parents claim this to get out of vaxing their kids. Also kids who are allergic or have compromised immune systems are exempt. Hence the need for a herd immunity because there are some people who can't be vaxed for medical reasons.

ellajune2012

LolaBelle11 said:

He would be up to date by the time he started kindergarten as that's when dose 2 is given. I don't know how unvaxed kids are allowed in school

Yeah my question was more aimed at folks that just don't vaccinate at all vs. delaying it a bit. I just wonder where all these unvaccinated kids are going? They can't all be home-schooled, right?

LolaBelle11

ellajune2012 said:

LolaBelle11 said:

He would be up to date by the time he started kindergarten as that's when dose 2 is given. I don't know how unvaxed kids are allowed in school

Yeah my question was more aimed at folks that just don't vaccinate at all vs. delaying it a bit. I just wonder where all these unvaccinated kids are going? They can't all be home-schooled, right?

The unvaxed kids I know are homeschooled. 

ellajune2012

dotgirl2 said:

ellajune2012 said:

LolaBelle11 said:

He would be up to date by the time he started kindergarten as that's when dose 2 is given. I don't know how unvaxed kids are allowed in school

Yeah my question was more aimed at folks that just don't vaccinate at all vs. delaying it a bit. I just wonder where all these unvaccinated kids are going? They can't all be home-schooled, right?

Some states allow for "philosophical" exemptions or those based on "personal beliefs", in addition to religious ones. 

Edit: typo

Oh, ok. That just seems so.... vague and ripe for abuse.

DTNZ4Ever

I'm so annoyed with the one guy "research" who made this an issue. DS has had all of his vaccines on time and gets the flu shot. My cousin's son who has autism and clearly had autism before his MMR. I work with adults with autism and I was able to see that her son had autism prior to 2.

bumpuser9058414

SuheyF1983 said:

wait guys.. we need to wait for Ninja.. or nina.. or whatever her name is.. and I think Hrose.. This cant all be onesided *eyeroll* 

It's @jaynina lol

Don't poke the beast!

BrideNamedMeg

We vaccinated on a slightly different schedule and did MMR on it's own, but nothing was significantly delayed.  The only one we skipped entirely was Hep B and we wait on Chicken Pox until they go to pre school.  

I don't buy any of the autism links, but my nephew has severe food allergies, there are some shots that he can't (or couldn't) get and we just wanted to make sure that our kids didn't have any major reactions to the shots so kept them to 1-2 a visit until they were a little older.  Our pedi is totally on board.  

peachy0709

dotgirl2 said:

That's exactly what's happening in places like California that have an exemption for "personal beliefs." Whooping cough has made a comeback in some parts of the state, and babies that are too young to be vaccinated have died. 

https://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/09/25/226147147/vaccine-refusals-fueled-californias-whooping-cough-epidemic

I had a boyfriend who got whooping cough when we were in our early 20s (apparently the vaccine eventually wears off with time??), and it was TERRIFYING.  In addition to just sounding horrible, he coughed up blood and couldn't catch his breath on the regular.  I cannot imagine what whooping cough would do to a small child when I watched it basically knock a healthy 22-year-old male on his ass.

dancer7889

dotgirl2 said:

ellajune2012 said:

dotgirl2 said:

ellajune2012 said:

LolaBelle11 said:

He would be up to date by the time he started kindergarten as that's when dose 2 is given. I don't know how unvaxed kids are allowed in school

Yeah my question was more aimed at folks that just don't vaccinate at all vs. delaying it a bit. I just wonder where all these unvaccinated kids are going? They can't all be home-schooled, right?

Some states allow for "philosophical" exemptions or those based on "personal beliefs", in addition to religious ones. 

Edit: typo

Oh, ok. That just seems so.... vague and ripe for abuse.



That's exactly what's happening in places like California that have an exemption for "personal beliefs." Whooping cough has made a comeback in some parts of the state, and babies that are too young to be vaccinated have died. 

https://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/09/25/226147147/vaccine-refusals-fueled-californias-whooping-cough-epidemic

We talked about this in my child development class the other day- about how if people actually experienced or saw others who have experienced the diseases (and some of their potential side effects- blindness, paralysis, or death) we are vaccinating against, maybe they'd be more pro-vax.

KTdid81

While vaccines don't "cause" autism, that doesn't mean that there isn't a correlation.  My sister was worried about the same thing after her daughter was diagnosed with autism.  She requested separate shots for her younger son rather than one with additives.  So rather than getting an MMR, my nephew had a measles shot, a mumps shot, and a separate rubella shot.

It might be something you want to look into.

KTdid81

FarmBoysWife said:

While vaccines don't "cause" autism, that doesn't mean that there isn't a correlation.  My sister was worried about the same thing after her daughter was diagnosed with autism.  She requested separate shots for her younger son rather than one with additives.  So rather than getting an MMR, my nephew had a measles shot, a mumps shot, and a separate rubella shot.

It might be something you want to look into.

*headdesk*

I am not saying that I am anti-vax.  I am just stating that if she is that worried about it, as my sister was, look into additive free vaccinations.

BoogieMonster629

They had a little thing on my local news the other day about how they want to start recommending pregnant women get the pertussis shot during 3rd tri so they are covered because the newborns can't have it until 2 mo.

LolaBelle11

FarmBoysWife said:

While vaccines don't "cause" autism, that doesn't mean that there isn't a correlation.  My sister was worried about the same thing after her daughter was diagnosed with autism.  She requested separate shots for her younger son rather than one with additives.  So rather than getting an MMR, my nephew had a measles shot, a mumps shot, and a separate rubella shot.

It might be something you want to look into.

*headdesk*

why is this a headdesk??? Whats wrong with that? He is still vaccinated

VineyardMel

BoogieMonster629 said:

They had a little thing on my local news the other day about how they want to start recommending pregnant women get the pertussis shot during 3rd tri so they are covered because the newborns can't have it until 2 mo.

I got it in 3rd tri last year when I was pregnant with DD (as did DH and our family members).

LolaBelle11

VineyardMel said:

BoogieMonster629 said:

They had a little thing on my local news the other day about how they want to start recommending pregnant women get the pertussis shot during 3rd tri so they are covered because the newborns can't have it until 2 mo.

I got it in 3rd tri last year when I was pregnant with DD (as did DH and our family members).

I did this as well in addition to my husband and my parents who are always around our family.

katykatykaty

One of the anti-vac people on our board, JayNina, homeschools her kids. 

YankeePeach08

BoogieMonster629 said:

They had a little thing on my local news the other day about how they want to start recommending pregnant women get the pertussis shot during 3rd tri so they are covered because the newborns can't have it until 2 mo.

I had this when i was pg with DS and my dr said I will get it again this PG. She also recommended that DH get a booster and anyone that maybe staying at our home for a week or more.

icecreamandcake

I'm leaning toward the belief that autism is possibly happening during embryonic development and not presenting until children are of the age to get the bulk of their vaccines.  Working in a scientific research setting this makes sense to me.  If you think about it vaccines are not what they were when I was getting vaxed over 30yrs ago.  Science has come a long way from those days.

BoogieMonster629

Oh here I thought it was a new thing haha! I got mine in the hospital when I had DD.

jazzyexpo

We had the vaccines on time. She had no problem with the mmr shot and neither did I when I had it.

legallyginger

FarmBoysWife said:

All research to connect any vaccine to autism as been disproven, the guy who did it disbanded/disbarred/dismemeberd or whatever...

This made me LOL. He deserves dismemberment for how many kids have contracted and died from preventable disesases just so he could make some money.

Seriously though, vaccinate your kids people.

kcanuck

I was reading recently some literature that was discussing (both in human and animal literature) that spreading vaccines out as some people are currently doing actually results in prolonging and elevating the stimulation of the immune system.  So people who are delaying/spreading out vaccines in order to not 'overwhelm' the immune system are actually achieving the opposite of their intention.  

Anyway, in answer to OP's question, yes I vaccinate Micah on schedule here in Canada.  He had an early MMR jab at 11 months as we were going to Mexico, and had a horrible fever reaction 5 days afterwards.  It lasted for about 6 days, gave him a nasty fever then terminated in a rash.  It was considered to be a normal reaction to this vaccine.  We boosted him again at a year, and he had no reaction whatsoever.  He is completely fine now and ahead on his milestones.  

jazzyexpo

ellajune2012 said:

Just a question - don't you *have* to be up to date on MMR if you're going to be in school? How are so many kids not being vaccinated? I get there are some legitimate exceptions, but does "I am against vaccines" count?

I remember even for grad school the university made a huge to-do about getting my files from when I was vaccinated (which I found kind of funny only in that I'd been working at said university for 8 years and they didn't seem to care whether or not I had them as an employee, but suddenly it mattered when I enrolled in a class.) Not only that but they practically forced me to get a Hep-C vaccination even though there is virtually zero chance of my contracting it at this point.

I heard they get a waiver from the health department that's it's against their religion or some crap like that.

Eta- I totally understand if your child is allergic or some other medical reason. I even understand if it is against your religion, but I can't stand when people abuse it.

jazzyexpo

dancer7889 said:

dotgirl2 said:

ellajune2012 said:

dotgirl2 said:

ellajune2012 said:

LolaBelle11 said:

He would be up to date by the time he started kindergarten as that's when dose 2 is given. I don't know how unvaxed kids are allowed in school

Yeah my question was more aimed at folks that just don't vaccinate at all vs. delaying it a bit. I just wonder where all these unvaccinated kids are going? They can't all be home-schooled, right?

Some states allow for "philosophical" exemptions or those based on "personal beliefs", in addition to religious ones. 

Edit: typo

Oh, ok. That just seems so.... vague and ripe for abuse.



That's exactly what's happening in places like California that have an exemption for "personal beliefs." Whooping cough has made a comeback in some parts of the state, and babies that are too young to be vaccinated have died. 

https://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/09/25/226147147/vaccine-refusals-fueled-californias-whooping-cough-epidemic

We talked about this in my child development class the other day- about how if people actually experienced or saw others who have experienced the diseases (and some of their potential side effects- blindness, paralysis, or death) we are vaccinating against, maybe they'd be more pro-vax.


I definitely agree with this. My grandpa contracted tetanus and it was awful to watch. He was a healthy, young 60 year old. He ended up dieing, being brought back and then put in a medically induced coma for 30 days. His tooth broke from lock jaw and it took about a year to get back on his feet again, but he survived it. People don't realize what these diseases can do.

ellajune2012

jazzyexpo said:

I definitely agree with this. My grandpa contracted tetanus and it was awful to watch. He was a healthy, young 60 year old. He ended up dieing, being brought back and then put in a medically induced coma for 30 days. His tooth broke from lock jaw and it took about a year to get back on his feet again, but he survived it. People don't realize what these diseases can do.

This just reminds me of when I split my lip open several years ago and the ER doctor wanted to give me a tetanus shot and I was like "is that really necessary?" cause I hate needles. His response: "well no but if you do get tetanus it'll be very painful and then you'll probably die." needless to say I sucked it up and got the shot.