lol, are you for real with your follow up comments?
Your center should not have given her formula without your consent. It is totally fine to be upset over that. I would be, too. My kid is BF and has MPI, so a regular formula would cause him to have issues. I'd prefer they ask me first. But I also keep extra milk in the freezer for any "emergencies."
I have to assume that with your comments about formula, though, this is MUD. But if not, your attitude is going to be way more "disastrous" for your child than a bottle of formula.
Dahlia, I am flexible on some things but this is one issue where I have zero flexibility. I am not for formula feeding in any way,shape or form for my child. This isn't a simple oops like they missed a snap on her onesie, this is my child's health that is at stake here. We want to instill healthy eating habits and to start her on something unnatural at this young of an age is disastrous. I can't just step back and let whatever happen.
Oh, I'd also like to add that DS1 had to be supplemented with formula for a few months (my store did not stock infant pepsi, unfortunately) and he is the best eater I know. Or is eating kale by the handful "disastrous?" lmk.
Wait you can get baby Pepsi?! That sounds much better than the FDA and pediatrician approved formula my LO has been getting. Clearly I should be on the lookout for that second head or third eye that should be growing any day now thanks to the toxic poison I give him.
Clearly, the answer here is for you to quit your job, and be a sahm. (Though, you'll probably just come back and bitch about that, bc it's harder than you think!)
I do not think you are overreacting, and you are entitled to your opinion about formula. I personally have done whatever I can to avoid it because I believe that nothing can even come close to the nutrition of my milk for my babies. It appears this has turned into a formula/breast milk debate, which is not the issue. The issue is that daycare for whatever reason chose to feed your child something other than what you had provided. If the FF moms on this thread had a baby who for example was sensitive to cow's milk protein and had to have a soy based formula, they would probably be just as upset as you if their daycare chose to feed their baby something different and waited until the end of the day to let them know.
well you already screwed up big time as a mother by sending your kid to daycare. I mean your child is going to be a psycho bc you chose not to stay home and raise him yourself. what is wrong with you? formula is the least of your problems.
(see how these blanket statements make you look like an ass)
I do not think you are overreacting, and you are entitled to your opinion about formula. I personally have done whatever I can to avoid it because I believe that nothing can even come close to the nutrition of my milk for my babies. It appears this has turned into a formula/breast milk debate, which is not the issue. The issue is that daycare for whatever reason chose to feed your child something other than what you had provided. If the FF moms on this thread had a baby who for example was sensitive to cow's milk protein and had to have a soy based formula, they would probably be just as upset as you if their daycare chose to feed their baby something different and waited until the end of the day to let them know.
Yeah, she lost any and all credibility she would have rightfully had if she hadn't jumped off the deep end into the formula-is-Devil-juice right away.
Yes, daycare should have called. But comparing formula to Pepsi? Give me a fucking break.
OP, unclench. Your kids life isn't ruined. Call daycare and talk with them. But maybe try not to be so extremist next time.
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I think they should have called you before making that choice, but to rip your baby out of a center you like otherwise is a bit rash. I personally check her "stash" at DCP each day at pickup, and always make sure she has more than she typically eats (I'd rather lose a bit of my stash than lose our BF momentum to spilled milk) so in case of emergency she has a spare bottle. That being said, I would communicate to your DCP that you would prefer that they give you a call if you have only one bottle remaining, so you can react accordingly (running over and dropping off another bottle, allowing a partial bm/ff bottle, whatever you decide). Also, formula isn't poison- it's just not bm. There are many moms who wish they could BF and can't!
Our lil' diva: late like her Momma: 40 weeks 5 days!
This post was about my experience with daycare not about any of you and your choice to ff. If you feel bad then maybe you know the decision you have made isn't the best one.
Honestly, this is belly button fuzz in the navel of life.
I understand that you wanted to avoid formula at all costs, but one day of formula is not going to ruin your baby. Down the road, when you can look back at this objectively, you will realize that it really isn't a big deal.
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This post was about my experience with daycare not about any of you and your choice to ff. If you feel bad then maybe you know the decision you have made isn't the best one.
You're getting flamed for being judgemental. That's what happened. You try to redirect and become judgemental again. How is it your business to tell someone that the decision that they made with their child is the best or not?! Stop talking! You're making yourself sound more and more ignorant!
This post was about my experience with daycare not about any of you and your choice to ff. If you feel bad then maybe you know the decision you have made isn't the best one.
You're right, the decision to feed my babies formula instead of let them starve because I can't produce BM wasn't the best one. Should have just let them starve, right?
Mama to two sweet girls DD1 Feb 2010 DD2 Sept 2011
This post was about my experience with daycare not about any of you and your choice to ff. If you feel bad then maybe you know the decision you have made isn't the best one.
You're right, the decision to feed my babies formula instead of let them starve because I can't produce BM wasn't the best one. Should have just let them starve, right?
Obviously not. By OPs logic you're suppose to take donor milk instead of leaving it for nicu babies and those who truly need it.
As someone who EPs and has a huge oversupply and is planning on donating, I want it to go to babies who are really in need of it and would benefit from the antibodies, etc. Not to someone who's just being an asshat about not wanting to use formula.
Still lmao that formula = poison. Someone puts too much stock into pseudo science blogs instead of peer reviewed medical journals. I still call troll. Check out "her" other responses to other posters. She's insulted in this thread? Bah humbug. Looks like potentially pot stirring responses to me.
And yes I did contact the center today. My daughter has and will not be returning and I've reported them to the health department. I'm hoping they will be under investigation and lose their licensing. Also for those critizing my choice for daycare, she only went for 3 weeks and will no longer be attending.
Here's an idea, in case you haven't researched the reactions in this thread well enough:
Because breast is only best for mothers and babies who are capable of breastfeeding, which is a relatively small demographic. Because your staunch ignorance doesn't take into account any of the variables which may affect breastfeeding and/or the desire to breastfeed. And because your trolling really isn't funny anymore, even to those of us who get our jollies from watching this shit.
And yes I did contact the center today. My daughter has and will not be returning and I've reported them to the health department. I'm hoping they will be under investigation and lose their licensing. Also for those critizing my choice for daycare, she only went for 3 weeks and will no longer be attending.
And just what do you expect the health department to do? Seriously, you just make yourself look crazier and crazier.
Mama to two sweet girls DD1 Feb 2010 DD2 Sept 2011
Infant formula warning: The poisoning of infants with formula products, and why breastfeeding is best
Over the years, countless studies have shown that when it comes to
infant nutrition, breast milk is best. This fact remains true, as there
is simply no infant formula product on the market that can match the
superior nutrition of mother's milk. In fact, some infant formulas
actually contain ingredients that can be harmful to your baby.
Although some formula recipes have improved over time for mothers who
must rely on formula to feed their new baby, many products are still
loaded with unhealthy and even dangerous ingredients, making
breastfeeding the best way to go for new mothers who have the option.
In Massachusetts, public health authorities have taken steps to
encourage breastfeeding by restricting the marketing of baby formula in
the state's hospital maternity wards.
In many hospitals across the country, new mothers are given
complimentary gift baskets during their stay that often contain free
samples of infant formula, supplied by formula companies. This is a
practice Massachusetts health authorities see as a clever marketing
trick, since it implies that the hospital's healthcare providers, in
giving new mothers this gift, endorse the use of formula.
To combat the practice, the state has decided that while free formula
may be made available to mothers who need it, it will no longer be added
to gift baskets for all new mothers. The restrictions are part of a
larger state initiative to educate women about the benefits of
breastfeeding, reports The Boston Globe.
So, what are some of those benefits? For starters, there is the special
infant-mother bond forged through breastfeeding that may not be achieved
when a child is fed formula, but, beyond that, there are important
health reasons why breast milk is best.
Infants are designed to drink their mother's milk. They are not meant to
have cow's milk or anything other than their mother's milk in their
early lives. Only breast milk contains the nutrients a healthy baby needs, including 160 fatty acids that are not found in baby formula.
The nutrition a child is given at infancy makes a lasting impression,
too. Research shows babies who are breastfed have lower incidences,
later in life, of chronic diseases like asthma, diabetes and even
cancer, as well as a reduced risk for severe communicable diseases like
pneumonia, diarrhea and ear infections.
A mother's own health can benefit from breastfeeding
her child, as well. In addition to having a happy and healthy baby,
moms who breastfeed often have less bleeding after the birth, lose their
pregnancy weight faster and experience better bone strength, with fewer
hip fractures later in life. They may also have reduced risk for breast
and ovarian cancer.
Although there is some concern that breast milk itself has become
contaminated in our modern world, it is still the superior choice,
according to research. An analysis of breastfeeding conducted by the
Environmental Working Group shows that chemicals like PCBs and PBDEs
that accumulate in a woman's body fat are often found in trace amounts
in breast milk, since breast milk is made up of fat from a mother's
body. However, the levels of chemicals typically found in breast milk
pose less of a threat than the risks associated with feeding a new baby
formula.
That's because, as mentioned earlier, babies are not designed to drink
formula or juice or any other liquids besides mom's milk when they are
born, and if they do, poor health consequences can result.
Have you ever looked at the ingredients label on a container of baby
formula? Oftentimes, there are things in there that we, as adults,
shouldn't even be eating -- hydrogenated oils, high fructose corn syrup
and cow's milk, just to name a few. These are ingredients that promote
chronic disease, and yet we are feeding them to our very youngest
consumers, who have no say in the matter.
Of particular concern in formula is the ingredient manganese, a
neurotoxic chemical found in much higher concentrations in baby formula,
particularly soy-based formulas, than in breast milk. According to the
EWG, soy-based formulas contain about 80 times as much manganese as
mother's milk, while animal-based formulas contain about 30 times more.
Elevated manganese levels have been linked to behavioral problems, such
as Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) later in life. Babies
are not able to absorb and excrete excess manganese during the first
year of life, according to the EWG.
Besides the harmful ingredients we know are in baby formula, there are other, less certain risk factors involved with formula feeding, as well.
For example, chemical and bacterial contaminants can come into play when bottle feeding infants. Mixing powdered infant formula
with water from the tap, or even bottled drinking water, can open the
door to numerous water contaminants, including chlorine byproducts,
pesticides, lead, solvents, arsenic or nitrates from fertilizer runoff.
Similar contaminants may also be found on bottles, nipples or even in
the formula itself.
Some formulas may contain excessive levels of metals like aluminum,
cadmium, lead or worse. The Natural Resources Defense Council reports
the following: "In the past, (baby formula) recalls have been ordered
because of contamination with substances such as broken glass, fragments
of metal and salmonella and other bacteria. The fungal toxin aflatoxin
has also been detected in some commercial formulas. Although detected
levels were very low, this toxin is known to cause cancer and is not
present in breast milk."
Infant formula is so unhealthy for babies, the Natural Resources Defense
Council directly blames aggressive marketing of infant formula in
underdeveloped countries for "an epidemic of infant death from
malnutrition and diarrheal illness, a result of the contaminated water
used to dilute or reconstitute formula."
The formula industry is an $8 billion a year business, but the price of
using infant formula in place of breast milk may reach much higher than
that, as it may mean harming young and innocent lives.
Many mothers are choosing not to breastfeed, simply because they see
formula as a more convenient option. But are you really willing to
sacrifice the health of your new baby for the sake of convenience?
If you are medically unable to breastfeed for any reason, do your
homework and find a formula you can trust to be the next best thing for
your baby. If you can breastfeed, do. Not only will it forge a special
connection between you and your child, but the natural choice is also
the best choice for you and your baby's health.
Oh for pete's sake. I have done the research. We all know breast is best, even the freaking formula can says it. But research doesn't make my breasts produce milk. Knowing breast is best does not provide nutrition to my baby. Some of us don't have boobs that work to feed babies, period. What part of that isn't making sense?!?!
Mama to two sweet girls DD1 Feb 2010 DD2 Sept 2011
Re: Am I being unreasonable? just need insight
She's either a troll or a sanctimonious c u next thursday.
Or both.
::Normally, I wouldn't filter my language, but out of respect for the new mommies, I'll be nice::
// I love you too. //
(see how these blanket statements make you look like an ass)
BFP #1 mm/c at 12w1d
Also, formula isn't poison- it's just not bm. There are many moms who wish they could BF and can't!
Our lil' diva: late like her Momma: 40 weeks 5 days!
// I love you too. //
// I love you too. //
Honestly, this is belly button fuzz in the navel of life.
I understand that you wanted to avoid formula at all costs, but one day of formula is not going to ruin your baby. Down the road, when you can look back at this objectively, you will realize that it really isn't a big deal.
// I love you too. //
You're getting flamed for being judgemental. That's what happened. You try to redirect and become judgemental again. How is it your business to tell someone that the decision that they made with their child is the best or not?! Stop talking! You're making yourself sound more and more ignorant!
DD1 Feb 2010
DD2 Sept 2011
Obviously not. By OPs logic you're suppose to take donor milk instead of leaving it for nicu babies and those who truly need it.
As someone who EPs and has a huge oversupply and is planning on donating, I want it to go to babies who are really in need of it and would benefit from the antibodies, etc. Not to someone who's just being an asshat about not wanting to use formula.
// I love you too. //
https://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/2008-09-11-tainted-formula_N.htm
https://www.naturalnews.com/019338_childrens_health_womens.html
https://www.askdrsears.com/topics/breastfeeding/why-breast-best
Because breast is only best for mothers and babies who are capable of breastfeeding, which is a relatively small demographic. Because your staunch ignorance doesn't take into account any of the variables which may affect breastfeeding and/or the desire to breastfeed. And because your trolling really isn't funny anymore, even to those of us who get our jollies from watching this shit.
// I love you too. //
Seriously, you got to be one of the stupidest people ever.
DD1 Feb 2010
DD2 Sept 2011
Infant formula warning: The poisoning of infants with formula products, and why breastfeeding is best
Over the years, countless studies have shown that when it comes to infant nutrition, breast milk is best. This fact remains true, as there is simply no infant formula product on the market that can match the superior nutrition of mother's milk. In fact, some infant formulas actually contain ingredients that can be harmful to your baby.
Although some formula recipes have improved over time for mothers who must rely on formula to feed their new baby, many products are still loaded with unhealthy and even dangerous ingredients, making breastfeeding the best way to go for new mothers who have the option.
In Massachusetts, public health authorities have taken steps to encourage breastfeeding by restricting the marketing of baby formula in the state's hospital maternity wards.
In many hospitals across the country, new mothers are given complimentary gift baskets during their stay that often contain free samples of infant formula, supplied by formula companies. This is a practice Massachusetts health authorities see as a clever marketing trick, since it implies that the hospital's healthcare providers, in giving new mothers this gift, endorse the use of formula.
To combat the practice, the state has decided that while free formula may be made available to mothers who need it, it will no longer be added to gift baskets for all new mothers. The restrictions are part of a larger state initiative to educate women about the benefits of breastfeeding, reports The Boston Globe.
So, what are some of those benefits? For starters, there is the special infant-mother bond forged through breastfeeding that may not be achieved when a child is fed formula, but, beyond that, there are important health reasons why breast milk is best.
Infants are designed to drink their mother's milk. They are not meant to have cow's milk or anything other than their mother's milk in their early lives. Only breast milk contains the nutrients a healthy baby needs, including 160 fatty acids that are not found in baby formula.
The nutrition a child is given at infancy makes a lasting impression, too. Research shows babies who are breastfed have lower incidences, later in life, of chronic diseases like asthma, diabetes and even cancer, as well as a reduced risk for severe communicable diseases like pneumonia, diarrhea and ear infections.
A mother's own health can benefit from breastfeeding her child, as well. In addition to having a happy and healthy baby, moms who breastfeed often have less bleeding after the birth, lose their pregnancy weight faster and experience better bone strength, with fewer hip fractures later in life. They may also have reduced risk for breast and ovarian cancer.
Although there is some concern that breast milk itself has become contaminated in our modern world, it is still the superior choice, according to research. An analysis of breastfeeding conducted by the Environmental Working Group shows that chemicals like PCBs and PBDEs that accumulate in a woman's body fat are often found in trace amounts in breast milk, since breast milk is made up of fat from a mother's body. However, the levels of chemicals typically found in breast milk pose less of a threat than the risks associated with feeding a new baby formula.
That's because, as mentioned earlier, babies are not designed to drink formula or juice or any other liquids besides mom's milk when they are born, and if they do, poor health consequences can result.
Have you ever looked at the ingredients label on a container of baby formula? Oftentimes, there are things in there that we, as adults, shouldn't even be eating -- hydrogenated oils, high fructose corn syrup and cow's milk, just to name a few. These are ingredients that promote chronic disease, and yet we are feeding them to our very youngest consumers, who have no say in the matter.
Of particular concern in formula is the ingredient manganese, a neurotoxic chemical found in much higher concentrations in baby formula, particularly soy-based formulas, than in breast milk. According to the EWG, soy-based formulas contain about 80 times as much manganese as mother's milk, while animal-based formulas contain about 30 times more. Elevated manganese levels have been linked to behavioral problems, such as Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) later in life. Babies are not able to absorb and excrete excess manganese during the first year of life, according to the EWG.
Besides the harmful ingredients we know are in baby formula, there are other, less certain risk factors involved with formula feeding, as well.
For example, chemical and bacterial contaminants can come into play when bottle feeding infants. Mixing powdered infant formula with water from the tap, or even bottled drinking water, can open the door to numerous water contaminants, including chlorine byproducts, pesticides, lead, solvents, arsenic or nitrates from fertilizer runoff. Similar contaminants may also be found on bottles, nipples or even in the formula itself.
Some formulas may contain excessive levels of metals like aluminum, cadmium, lead or worse. The Natural Resources Defense Council reports the following: "In the past, (baby formula) recalls have been ordered because of contamination with substances such as broken glass, fragments of metal and salmonella and other bacteria. The fungal toxin aflatoxin has also been detected in some commercial formulas. Although detected levels were very low, this toxin is known to cause cancer and is not present in breast milk."
Infant formula is so unhealthy for babies, the Natural Resources Defense Council directly blames aggressive marketing of infant formula in underdeveloped countries for "an epidemic of infant death from malnutrition and diarrheal illness, a result of the contaminated water used to dilute or reconstitute formula."
The formula industry is an $8 billion a year business, but the price of using infant formula in place of breast milk may reach much higher than that, as it may mean harming young and innocent lives.
Many mothers are choosing not to breastfeed, simply because they see formula as a more convenient option. But are you really willing to sacrifice the health of your new baby for the sake of convenience?
If you are medically unable to breastfeed for any reason, do your homework and find a formula you can trust to be the next best thing for your baby. If you can breastfeed, do. Not only will it forge a special connection between you and your child, but the natural choice is also the best choice for you and your baby's health.
Learn more: https://www.naturalnews.com/019338_childrens_health_womens.html#ixzz2ejNqQqvS
DD1 Feb 2010
DD2 Sept 2011