Trouble TTC

OB/GYN vs RE

When you went in for testing after trying for a year or more where did you go first the OB/GYN or RE? 

I have been calling around to a few RE offices and they are telling me I should start with my ob/gyn first.  I just don't want to waste the little IF yearly coverage I have at the ob/gyn, but I really have no known problems other then not getting KU.  (no long cycles, painful periods or heavy bleeding)  

I called around to SJ Fertility clinic in Marlton, Reproductive Science Center in Toms RIver, and IVF NJ Freehold.  Out of the three SJ fertility center has the lowest out of pocket cost for testing.  (HSG test was $500 there and $1200 at IVF NJ out of pocket, but they bill lower for the insurance companies.)  

I am going to call my ob/gyn to see if I can get cost and see what testing they would do.  Also does anyone know how they usually code when you go in for testing?    

Thanks everyone and sorry for all the questions the last few days!            
TTC since May/June 2012 
Sept 2013 testing:
SA #1 Low motility (17%) 
SA #2 Lower sperm count, but much higher motility
CD 3 Bloodwork and ultrasound - Normal HSG - Clear tubes 
Oct/Nov 2013 Cycle 1 with RE 50 mg Clomid + Ovidrel + IUI BFN  
Nov/Dec 2013 Cycle 2 with RE 50 mg Clomid + Ovidrel + IUI BFN 
Jan/Feb 2014 Cycle 3 with RE 50 mg Clomid + Ovidrel + IUI BFN 
2/20/14 Follow up consult RE recommends IVF with ICSI 
3/10/14 New patient consult with RMA NJ 
3/11/14 AMH and other Bloodwork to prep for IVF with ICSI at RMA NJ
3/28/14 Saline Sonogram - All good
March/April 2014 IVF #1 Antagonist Protocol
BCP/Bravelle/Menopur/Ganirelix
4/16/14 ER 26 Retrieved!!!
4/17/14 Fert Report 22 Mature 21 Fertilized w/ ICSI
4/22/14 Report #2 15 BLASTS
5/24/14 FET!!!  (Transferring 2 snowflakes)
6/2/14 Beta #1 575!!! :)
6/4/14 Beta #2 2060!!! :)
6/11/14 1st Ultrasound...Saw 2 Gestational Sacs!!  Beta #3 34,312!!! 
6/18/14 2nd Ultrasound...Heartbeats!! Baby A 112bpm Baby B 117bmp <3 Beta #4 172,080!!!
6/25/14 3rd Ultrasound...Heartbeats!! Baby A 150bpm Baby B 158bpm <3 Beta #5 232,134!!! 
7/3/14 4th Ultrasound...Heartbeats!! Baby A 173bpm Baby B 162bpm <3 Beta #6 269,228!!!
Graduated from RMA!!  First appt with OB 7/8/14

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Re: OB/GYN vs RE

  • Personally, I went straight to the RE. I had a convo with my ob/gyn at around the 8th month mark and she said when we hit a year, she'd test me to see if I'm ovulating, but regardless of the results, I'd need an RE.
    Me: 34 | He: 40
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    edited August 2013
    Don't waste your time with an OB, and don't waste your time with an RE that says to go to an OB first. 

    I'm coming to the realization that I wasted a good 3-4 months because of my OB's overconfidence in her abilities. And she also had me freaking out over nothing, telling me that the HSG was going to be over $2,000. Yeah, no. Even with my RE's physician fee (affiliated with same hospital, so all other factors are the same) it's going to cost less than $900 OOP (I have no IF coverage) 

    Just read for yourself the ridiculousness I got to deal with from the OB
    https://effyouute.blogspot.com/2013/05/why-you-need-re-not-ob-for-infertility.html

    I really don't want to do unmonitored clomid.  My ob/gyn does ultrasounds, but I am not sure if he monitors on clomid.  I know he mentioned during my yearly in Feb that he can give me a medication to make stronger ovulations, but wanted me to continue TTC on my own until the spring/summer.  How do you know if you have weak or strong ovulations? 
    TTC since May/June 2012 
    Sept 2013 testing:
    SA #1 Low motility (17%) 
    SA #2 Lower sperm count, but much higher motility
    CD 3 Bloodwork and ultrasound - Normal HSG - Clear tubes 
    Oct/Nov 2013 Cycle 1 with RE 50 mg Clomid + Ovidrel + IUI BFN  
    Nov/Dec 2013 Cycle 2 with RE 50 mg Clomid + Ovidrel + IUI BFN 
    Jan/Feb 2014 Cycle 3 with RE 50 mg Clomid + Ovidrel + IUI BFN 
    2/20/14 Follow up consult RE recommends IVF with ICSI 
    3/10/14 New patient consult with RMA NJ 
    3/11/14 AMH and other Bloodwork to prep for IVF with ICSI at RMA NJ
    3/28/14 Saline Sonogram - All good
    March/April 2014 IVF #1 Antagonist Protocol
    BCP/Bravelle/Menopur/Ganirelix
    4/16/14 ER 26 Retrieved!!!
    4/17/14 Fert Report 22 Mature 21 Fertilized w/ ICSI
    4/22/14 Report #2 15 BLASTS
    5/24/14 FET!!!  (Transferring 2 snowflakes)
    6/2/14 Beta #1 575!!! :)
    6/4/14 Beta #2 2060!!! :)
    6/11/14 1st Ultrasound...Saw 2 Gestational Sacs!!  Beta #3 34,312!!! 
    6/18/14 2nd Ultrasound...Heartbeats!! Baby A 112bpm Baby B 117bmp <3 Beta #4 172,080!!!
    6/25/14 3rd Ultrasound...Heartbeats!! Baby A 150bpm Baby B 158bpm <3 Beta #5 232,134!!! 
    7/3/14 4th Ultrasound...Heartbeats!! Baby A 173bpm Baby B 162bpm <3 Beta #6 269,228!!!
    Graduated from RMA!!  First appt with OB 7/8/14

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  • I agree with PP. My OB would never refer me to an RE even though I have endo, DH has low morph and motility, and we are past the year mark. I finally went on my own and couldn't be more thankful that I did. I am now in the process of finding a new OB...
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  • I agree with PPs, don't waste your time with an OB. Find a RE that can do your testing and make a treatment/monitoring plan for you.
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  • I did my hsg with my OB and she ordered dhs SA at eleven months before the RE referal. I don't know how it was coded.

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  • As everyone mentioned, go straight for the RE. If you need the referral for insurance purposes, your OB/GYN shouldn't have a problem giving you one since you have been TTC for at least a year - maybe that is why the offices were saying to start with the OB/GYN first to get that referral. My RE never asked about that, just how long we had been trying and they set up the appointment.
    TTC Since January 2012 Me:37 DH:34      DX July 2013: Unexplained Infertility      New DX Dec 2013: DOR
    BFP#1 6/4/12 EDD 2/13/13 M/C 6/6/12  BFP#2 2/21/13 EDD 11/3/13 M/C 2/26/13 BFP#3 C/P
    4 rounds of clomid, 2 with IUI = BFN
    November/December Retesting/Natural Cycle = Surprise BFP @ 11dpo! Beta#1 76.6@13dpo Beta #2 276@15dpo u/s#1 6w2d hb113 u/s#2 8w2d, measuring 8w4d hb168! 10w2d hb171 12w3d Verifi results are in and good! EDD 8/23 Our Baby Girl Rainbow Baby born 8/20/2014!!!
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  •  I did most of my basic testing with my OB/GYN, but it was all still coded as IF so I had to pay OOP for all of it (blood work, HSG, SA).  I did one clomid + IUI cycle with my OB/GYN before deciding that if I was going to pay OOP for treatment, that I would rather see a RE.  I actually had more things covered by insurance with my RE than I did with my OB/GYN.

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    October 2012-May 2014: 4 failed IUIs, 3 failed IVFs, and 1 failed FETw/donor embryos

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  • katib77 said:
    I did my hsg with my OB and she ordered dhs SA at eleven months before the RE referal. I don't know how it was coded.
    This was almost our exact situation. I did bloodwork with my OB and he ordered the SA and HSG. Since it can take several months to get in to an RE, he figured he would order the tests so we were making some progress in the mean time.  Fortunately, I got into the RE quickly, but I came armed with all my test results, 2 years of charts, and we were ready to roll.  For us it worked. 

    ** After  2 1/2 years of Unexplained IF, 2 failed medicated cycles, and 4 failed IUI's - our baby girl came to us through the miracle of
     Mini IVF! **

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  • I did one office visit with our local OB that "specializes in fertility". No testing, offered me unmonitored Clomid or a referral to the only RE around. Guess which one I took? ;)
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    Me (28) - DOR (AFC <10, undetectable AMH, >10 FSH), homozygous E429A MTHFR
    DH (29) - MFI low count and morphology

    September 2013 IUI#1 - Clomid + Trigger + IUI = BFN
    October 2013 IUI#2 - Letrozole + Menopur + Trigger + IUI = BFN

    Nov 2013 IVF/ICSI #1 - Protocol: BCP prep, high doses Menopur and Bravelle (12 days), ganirelex
    Results: 5 retrieved / mature, 4 fertilized, 1 arrested and 3 complex abnormal after day 3 PGS = Cancelled after ER
    Jan/Feb 2014 IVF/ICSI #2 - Protocol: Estrogen priming, high doses Menopur and Bravelle (11 days), microdose lupron
    Results: Cancelled after 11 days of stims due to low response and E2 levels
    Feb 2014 IVF/ICSI #3 - Protocol: No prep, low dose Menopur (6 days), ganirelex, Bravelle booster with trigger
    Results: 1 retrieved / 0 mature = Cancelled after ER

    Officially moving on to embryo adoption! We used and love Embryo Adoption Services of Cedar Park
    October 2014 FET #1 - BCP/Lupron/Estrace/Prometrium, transferred 2 of 4 from match #1, BFN
    December 2014 FET #2 - BCP/Lupron/Estrace/Prometrium, transferred 2 of 4 from match #1, BFN
    March 2015 FET #3 - BCP/Lupron/Estrace/Prometrium, transferred 2 of 6 from match #2, BFN
    May 2015 FET #4 - BCP/Lupron/Estrace/Prometrium, lost 2 to thaw, transferred 2 of 6 from match #2, BFN
    October 2015 FET #5 - Natural cycle, lost 1 from match #3 and 1 from clinic backup to thaw, transferred 1 backup, BFN
    February 2016 FET #6 - Natural cycle, transferred 1 from match #4, B FREAKING P!
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  • Thanks ladies!

    Is the first visit usually just a consult and then they start testing later?  We have so much going on right now with our house on the market, so not sure how much we want to spend beyond the $2000 coverage right now.  We do at least want to get tested, so we can see if there is a problem or not.    
    TTC since May/June 2012 
    Sept 2013 testing:
    SA #1 Low motility (17%) 
    SA #2 Lower sperm count, but much higher motility
    CD 3 Bloodwork and ultrasound - Normal HSG - Clear tubes 
    Oct/Nov 2013 Cycle 1 with RE 50 mg Clomid + Ovidrel + IUI BFN  
    Nov/Dec 2013 Cycle 2 with RE 50 mg Clomid + Ovidrel + IUI BFN 
    Jan/Feb 2014 Cycle 3 with RE 50 mg Clomid + Ovidrel + IUI BFN 
    2/20/14 Follow up consult RE recommends IVF with ICSI 
    3/10/14 New patient consult with RMA NJ 
    3/11/14 AMH and other Bloodwork to prep for IVF with ICSI at RMA NJ
    3/28/14 Saline Sonogram - All good
    March/April 2014 IVF #1 Antagonist Protocol
    BCP/Bravelle/Menopur/Ganirelix
    4/16/14 ER 26 Retrieved!!!
    4/17/14 Fert Report 22 Mature 21 Fertilized w/ ICSI
    4/22/14 Report #2 15 BLASTS
    5/24/14 FET!!!  (Transferring 2 snowflakes)
    6/2/14 Beta #1 575!!! :)
    6/4/14 Beta #2 2060!!! :)
    6/11/14 1st Ultrasound...Saw 2 Gestational Sacs!!  Beta #3 34,312!!! 
    6/18/14 2nd Ultrasound...Heartbeats!! Baby A 112bpm Baby B 117bmp <3 Beta #4 172,080!!!
    6/25/14 3rd Ultrasound...Heartbeats!! Baby A 150bpm Baby B 158bpm <3 Beta #5 232,134!!! 
    7/3/14 4th Ultrasound...Heartbeats!! Baby A 173bpm Baby B 162bpm <3 Beta #6 269,228!!!
    Graduated from RMA!!  First appt with OB 7/8/14

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  • For me, the initial consult was no testing except for vitals. Because CD 1 was the very next day, I was able to get all of my testing done within 2 weeks. That was also my choice. I could have put it off a few cycles. Some of the testing needs to be repeated if you are still undergoing treatment x months later. The infectious disease panel, for instance, so be sure to ask.
    Me: 34 | He: 40
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  • DH and I only tried for 6 mos because my OB knew I wasn't ovulating, so we didn't have to wait the whole year.  She ordered my HSG and DH's SA so that I could try Clomid - we tried twice with no luck.  After that she told me that she could keep trying, but really I should go to the RE because they're the specialists.  It's 100% up to you, but I would do my best to get into the RE sooner rather than later.  I'm not sure where you Jersey you are, but we use RMA of NJ in Morristown.  They have offices all over the state, so there might be one close to you.  https://www.rmanj.com/
    Me 31 ~ DH 30
    IVF/FET #1 - BFP!!
    <3 CJW 6/15/2014 <3
    DX - PCOS 2004
    FET #2 - scheduled for 11/24/15
  • DH and I only tried for 6 mos because my OB knew I wasn't ovulating, so we didn't have to wait the whole year.  She ordered my HSG and DH's SA so that I could try Clomid - we tried twice with no luck.  After that she told me that she could keep trying, but really I should go to the RE because they're the specialists.  It's 100% up to you, but I would do my best to get into the RE sooner rather than later.  I'm not sure where you Jersey you are, but we use RMA of NJ in Morristown.  They have offices all over the state, so there might be one close to you.  https://www.rmanj.com/
    Hi neighbor!  

    I am in Manahawkin! (mainland before LBI)  I looked at RMA, but they are all pretty far for me.
    TTC since May/June 2012 
    Sept 2013 testing:
    SA #1 Low motility (17%) 
    SA #2 Lower sperm count, but much higher motility
    CD 3 Bloodwork and ultrasound - Normal HSG - Clear tubes 
    Oct/Nov 2013 Cycle 1 with RE 50 mg Clomid + Ovidrel + IUI BFN  
    Nov/Dec 2013 Cycle 2 with RE 50 mg Clomid + Ovidrel + IUI BFN 
    Jan/Feb 2014 Cycle 3 with RE 50 mg Clomid + Ovidrel + IUI BFN 
    2/20/14 Follow up consult RE recommends IVF with ICSI 
    3/10/14 New patient consult with RMA NJ 
    3/11/14 AMH and other Bloodwork to prep for IVF with ICSI at RMA NJ
    3/28/14 Saline Sonogram - All good
    March/April 2014 IVF #1 Antagonist Protocol
    BCP/Bravelle/Menopur/Ganirelix
    4/16/14 ER 26 Retrieved!!!
    4/17/14 Fert Report 22 Mature 21 Fertilized w/ ICSI
    4/22/14 Report #2 15 BLASTS
    5/24/14 FET!!!  (Transferring 2 snowflakes)
    6/2/14 Beta #1 575!!! :)
    6/4/14 Beta #2 2060!!! :)
    6/11/14 1st Ultrasound...Saw 2 Gestational Sacs!!  Beta #3 34,312!!! 
    6/18/14 2nd Ultrasound...Heartbeats!! Baby A 112bpm Baby B 117bmp <3 Beta #4 172,080!!!
    6/25/14 3rd Ultrasound...Heartbeats!! Baby A 150bpm Baby B 158bpm <3 Beta #5 232,134!!! 
    7/3/14 4th Ultrasound...Heartbeats!! Baby A 173bpm Baby B 162bpm <3 Beta #6 269,228!!!
    Graduated from RMA!!  First appt with OB 7/8/14

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  • I really think everyone's situation is a little different. For me it made sense to go to the OB since he was able to finagle my coding to get things covered- I had to have a lap and he was able to have it covered by not putting IF on it- an RE wouldn't have been covered. That being said, if this doesn't work my OB wants me to go to the RE (he said I could go now if I wanted but I want to give it two- three cycles)
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