"do you judge people who have an epi"

Marle

Deegirl322:

Marle:

Deegirl, Honestly!

Why are you so anti-medicine? almost all of your posts regarding this issue reflect that and many things you really have not researched completely.

Are you having your delivery at home with a MW? I honestly wouldn't want to work at the hospital you are delivering at. God knows what reason you'll find to sue.

Yes Drs. are humans they make mistakes and you should be proactive but your reasons to talk badly about all these things just don't make sense to me.

I am going into this wanting to go natural. I of course know I can't control things that will happen during labor and am keeping an open mind for the health of myself and the baby if something goes wrong. I've educated myself to the fullest and know the risks of drugs. No, I'm delivering with an OB in a hospital. If things don't make sense to you, maybe you should do a little more research for yourself. 

 

Haha! what doesn't make sense to me are your reasons like "My mother didn't get the flu shot and i came out ok" or  "epidurals have cocaine in them".

I am well educated in the matter. thank you

adamwife

I judged until I gave birth for the first time.  I swore I wasn't going to get an epi because I didn't want to "poison my baby".  Well, after nearly 48 hours of no sleep or food, I made it to 7 cm. and they told me it was going to be another 6-7 hours.  I couldn't do it anymore. 

Getting the drugs was the best decision I made.  I was able to sleep for a few hours.  Had I not gotten that sleep I don't think I would have had the energy I needed to then push for nearly 2 hours.

Needless to say, I don't judge now.

csuram

Let me speak frankly AS a health care provider myself, I practice internal medicine not OBGYN. In general their are three types of "patients".1) Those that want to know everything, agree to everything, research and discuss everything in depth. 2) Patients who want options and information but are not into details 3)Then there are a HUGE amount of patients that have NO DESIRE to be informed or actively have a role in their healthcare decisions.

As someone who obviously IS into details initially group three was really frustrating for me to deal with. I mean how could they NOT be informed about what will happen to their body. Now however I realize that everyone is different and prefers to approach healthcare  differently. Their right to be uninformed and just go with protocol is important for them. Alot of time it makes their lives easier that they dont have to "stress" about small things and research. Not my approach to life but who am I to judge.

So in reply the answer is Absolutely not I dont judge at all.

leslienpete

pivey:

megs042107:

JOEBunny:

Have you given birth before?  Just as an FYI, somewhere between 85% and 95% of people get an epi.  Sit around and judge if you want, I find that activity boring,  but I happen to believe that the 8 years plus my doctor spent studying to be an OB make he or she more of an expert on giving birth than I am, oh and the thousands of babies they have delivered. 

she's not "judging" women who get an epi.  she's saying to do your research and understand your options throughout L&D.  it is scary the amount of women who truly don't know what their options are or don't understand complications that can arise.  i agree that doctors have tons of experience and we should trust their decisions, but i think it's also part of being a responsible parent to understand how your decisions will affect your baby.  and i believe that is what Pivey is trying to say. 

Actually Megs is right both times.  No, I am not an OBGYN - but I still want to know all I can about my body and birth and I think there are far too many 10 minute appointment in-and-out, drive through style practices out there that teach a woman nothing about her body, her baby, or L&D. Unfortunately because of that we have to do what is the very best for us. Doctors are human and make mistakes. Sometimes they aren't up on the most current research, sometimes they just have preferences, sometimes they are just scared and want to "cover their as$es" - for whatever the reason I believe we must be our own best advocates and discuss our options fully and with some knowledge. Blind following never produced much good in the world - in a myriad of circumstances.

I agree with you wholeheartedly on this! Only we can decide what is best for us and hopefully we will have the best medical personnel avaialble to us to help us make this decision as well as support our choices.

mrskadams

Fine, so call me "selfish" for wanting an epidural.  Have I done a lot of research on it?  No, BUT I think I'm educated enough abott my own body to know that I can't stand the pain.  There is no way I would consider going without medications because I know myself.  I'd rather be "selfish" than judgemental any day of the week.  I can't believe people think they have the right to be judgemental about another person's birth experience.

AmericnJewl

Deegirl322:

AmericnJewl:

Deegirl322:

Lots of them are trying to cover their ass though. Why do you think c-sections are on the rise? Doctor friendly...they are in and out with the quick procedure. They don't like women hanging around laboring for hours on end. Doctors are not all knowing and make mistakes too. 

I don't know that I'd say the c-sections are doctor friendly... just percieved to be patient friendly.  You're in for a longer stay at the hospital and I'm sure just as many complications can arise from cutting someone open as delivering vaginally. 

What are you talking about? They are extremely doctor friendly. They can be in and out in as little as 20 minutes. They don't have to "waste their time" hanging around waiting for the woman to push out her baby. OBs are first and foremost trained surgeons. They don't see many natural births and cesareans are what's normal to them...hence the cesarean rise in our country.

A c-section is major abdominal surgery, higher risk of malpractice (probably the greatest fear in the medical profession) and "things that go wrong" post-surgery.  I think the push comes from the patients more so than the doctors, but that's my opinion and not based on any facts that I'm aware of.

Deegirl322

Marle:

Deegirl322:

Marle:

Deegirl, Honestly!

Why are you so anti-medicine? almost all of your posts regarding this issue reflect that and many things you really have not researched completely.

Are you having your delivery at home with a MW? I honestly wouldn't want to work at the hospital you are delivering at. God knows what reason you'll find to sue.

Yes Drs. are humans they make mistakes and you should be proactive but your reasons to talk badly about all these things just don't make sense to me.

I am going into this wanting to go natural. I of course know I can't control things that will happen during labor and am keeping an open mind for the health of myself and the baby if something goes wrong. I've educated myself to the fullest and know the risks of drugs. No, I'm delivering with an OB in a hospital. If things don't make sense to you, maybe you should do a little more research for yourself. 

 

Haha! what doesn't make sense to me are your reasons like "My mother didn't get the flu shot and i came out ok" or  "epidurals have cocaine in them".

I am well educated in the matter. thank you

So now there's something wrong about now wanting to get a flu shot? I stated a fact our mothers never got them and I'm not going to blindly listen to the OB without researching anything. The CDC f*cks stuff up to you know. It's sad we don't find out about stuff until years down the line though. But whatever, think what you want. Your opinion doesn't matter to me. 

vhab

Having been there, and done both, I can say that my Midwife would much rather have had me be able to successfully deliver vaginally, then to have me have a c-section, so what did it matter to the Dr. who ended up doing my section if I labored for 3 hours or 45 hours, he wasn't there anyway.  The Dr probably spends almost as much time with a c-section patient than a laboring patient.  My section took 45 minutes.  I bet most people don't have the Dr in the room for much longer than that.

I don't judge people who go natural, and I don't judge people who get the drugs. 

I read books, and took classes, and NOTHING prepared me for my labor and birth experience. My problem going into the experince was NOT that I was uninformed, but that I was set on doing it how I planned, and didn't want to bend from that at all.  IT seems like a lot of peopl on here are like that, they hae thier birth plan, and they want it followed to a 'T.'  And sometimes, things just dont' work out like you want them to.

Deegirl322

leslienpete:

pivey:

megs042107:

JOEBunny:

Have you given birth before?  Just as an FYI, somewhere between 85% and 95% of people get an epi.  Sit around and judge if you want, I find that activity boring,  but I happen to believe that the 8 years plus my doctor spent studying to be an OB make he or she more of an expert on giving birth than I am, oh and the thousands of babies they have delivered. 

she's not "judging" women who get an epi.  she's saying to do your research and understand your options throughout L&D.  it is scary the amount of women who truly don't know what their options are or don't understand complications that can arise.  i agree that doctors have tons of experience and we should trust their decisions, but i think it's also part of being a responsible parent to understand how your decisions will affect your baby.  and i believe that is what Pivey is trying to say. 

Actually Megs is right both times.  No, I am not an OBGYN - but I still want to know all I can about my body and birth and I think there are far too many 10 minute appointment in-and-out, drive through style practices out there that teach a woman nothing about her body, her baby, or L&D. Unfortunately because of that we have to do what is the very best for us. Doctors are human and make mistakes. Sometimes they aren't up on the most current research, sometimes they just have preferences, sometimes they are just scared and want to "cover their as$es" - for whatever the reason I believe we must be our own best advocates and discuss our options fully and with some knowledge. Blind following never produced much good in the world - in a myriad of circumstances.

I agree with you wholeheartedly on this! Only we can decide what is best for us and hopefully we will have the best medical personnel avaialble to us to help us make this decision as well as support our choices.

Agreed

Mrs.Bible

Deegirl322:

Mrs.Bible:

Deegirl322:

AmericnJewl:

Deegirl322:

Lots of them are trying to cover their ass though. Why do you think c-sections are on the rise? Doctor friendly...they are in and out with the quick procedure. They don't like women hanging around laboring for hours on end. Doctors are not all knowing and make mistakes too. 

I don't know that I'd say the c-sections are doctor friendly... just percieved to be patient friendly.  You're in for a longer stay at the hospital and I'm sure just as many complications can arise from cutting someone open as delivering vaginally. 

 

What are you talking about? They are extremely doctor friendly. They can be in and out in as little as 20 minutes. They don't have to "waste their time" hanging around waiting for the woman to push out her baby. OBs are first and foremost trained surgeons. They don't see many natural births and cesareans are what's normal to them...hence the cesarean rise in our country.

Wait a minute!!!!  Have you had an C-Section????

This is not as cut and dry as you would like to make it sound.  I had a C-Section and believe me it is not a simple process for a doctor.  It is not something my doctor would have preferred to do.  I dont know what doctors you have been around - but I do know my doctor and the team of doctors that were there for my last year when I had to have my C-Section and believe me when I say - they waited...and waited...and did everything in their power to not only stop my labor but they waited for me and my husband to make a decision and they were willing to do whatever we wanted to do.  It all came down to my doctor telling my husband he rather have one body than two and it now was up to me and my husband to pick!!!! 

So to sit up here and casually throw out your comment that they dont see natural births as normal as C-Section is a totally irresponsible statement and its people like you who make it hard to be on the boards and not want to kick in their screens!!!!

 

I said they don't see natural med-free births that often anymore. Look at the c-section numbers for christ sake! There are many doctors out there who prefer to have you scheduled for a c-section. Yes, they are MAJOR surgery, which is why I want to avoid one unless it's an emergency.

I am sorry can you please let me know how many doctors you intereviewed who doesnt see that many natural med-free births anymore?  I think you are assuming because of the rise of C-Sections then that means people are not choosing to go natural - which is not the case.  If you poll the boards here on the nest - most people are choosing to go natural. 

I dont know any doctors who want to schedule you for a C-Section - especially if there is not a medically necessary reason for it.  If that has been your experience I think you need to change practices.

Of course you and anyone else with good sense would want to avoid a C-Section but just because you want to - doesnt mean that you can. But this is off the original subject of judging....and it leads me back to the OP. 

Again I say WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO JUDGE ANYONE for their personal choices.  Who made you all knowing and who said your way is the right way. 

I think everyone who are throwing out these comments - saying they are wrong to get an Epi (whether educated or not) - needs to remember - YOUR way is right for YOU...and only you....

MosersGirl

whitehead15:

I have never gone through childbirth.  I have had 14 surgeries because of volleyball.  I will be getting an epi....no question.  I had an epi for my last knee surgery and it was great.  Actually, I'm positive it's the only way I survived days after the surgery.  I have had every kind of anesthesia and pain killers and I'm perfectly fine.  I am a pro athlete and know how to breathe, focus, etc.  I'm sure I've gone through more pain than most women here.  At the end of the day, if you choose to deliver med free- good for you.  If you can deliver a happy, healthy baby and not want to rip your face off in the process, why wouldn't you???

 

I find it very annoying when people compare various surgeries to childbirth.  Of course I would ask for drugs if I were going in for knee surgery.  My body was not designed to be cut open at the knee.  My body was designed to give birth, and I would like to try to go med free to experience everything about it, and because I feel like it is best for my baby.  I do not judge anyone who gets an epi, as I may be asking for one while I'm in labor, and why judge?  What's the point?  I feel like I am the one who is judged for planning a natural birth by people who compare childbirth to surgery.  It's silly and doesn't make sense.

megs042107

Deegirl322:

I said they don't see natural med-free births that often anymore. Look at the c-section numbers for christ sake! There are many doctors out there who prefer to have you scheduled for a c-section. Yes, they are MAJOR surgery, which is why I want to avoid one unless it's an emergency.

natural, med-free births have nothing to do with the numbers of c-sections. ?inductions are much higher these days than when our parents were younger. ?as knowledge and technology advance, so do the reasons for inductions. ?many of my mom's sisters were allowed to go 3 WEEKS passed their due dates. that is unheard of now. ?why? ?because of the risks associated with doing so. ?so, yes, inductions are higher. ?we also are more prone to induce for medical reasons. ?but if your body isn't necessarily ready to deliver and you're being induced, your chances for a c/s increase. ?

i think it's a completely assinine statement to say doctors WANT you scheduled for a c/s. ?i know of a handful of women who schedule an elective c/s. ?the vast majority of women on these boards (and then women i know who are not on these boards) who end up with c/s started out with an induction for a vaginal delivery. ?get a clue.?

Deegirl322

vhab:

Having been there, and done both, I can say that my Midwife would much rather have had me be able to successfully deliver vaginally, then to have me have a c-section, so what did it matter to the Dr. who ended up doing my section if I labored for 3 hours or 45 hours, he wasn't there anyway.  The Dr probably spends almost as much time with a c-section patient than a laboring patient.  My section took 45 minutes.  I bet most people don't have the Dr in the room for much longer than that.

I don't judge people who go natural, and I don't judge people who get the drugs. 

I read books, and took classes, and NOTHING prepared me for my labor and birth experience. My problem going into the experince was NOT that I was uninformed, but that I was set on doing it how I planned, and didn't want to bend from that at all.  IT seems like a lot of peopl on here are like that, they hae thier birth plan, and they want it followed to a 'T.'  And sometimes, things just dont' work out like you want them to.

I agree with you here. I of course would love a labor I envision, but I am in no way shutting other options out if they don't follow my birth plan since labor has a mind of its own. If it's 20 hours or something and I'm not progressing, I'll unfortunately have to get drugs since my risk for infection and the baby still being in will be rising.  I won't know what it's like until I'm there.

Deegirl322

megs042107:

Deegirl322:

I said they don't see natural med-free births that often anymore. Look at the c-section numbers for christ sake! There are many doctors out there who prefer to have you scheduled for a c-section. Yes, they are MAJOR surgery, which is why I want to avoid one unless it's an emergency.

natural, med-free births have nothing to do with the numbers of c-sections.  inductions are much higher these days than when our parents were younger.  as knowledge and technology advance, so do the reasons for inductions.  many of my mom's sisters were allowed to go 3 WEEKS passed their due dates. that is unheard of now.  why?  because of the risks associated with doing so.  so, yes, inductions are higher.  we also are more prone to induce for medical reasons.  but if your body isn't necessarily ready to deliver and you're being induced, your chances for a c/s increase.  

i think it's a completely assinine statement to say doctors WANT you scheduled for a c/s.  i know of a handful of women who schedule an elective c/s.  the vast majority of women on these boards (and then women i know who are not on these boards) who end up with c/s started out with an induction for a vaginal delivery.  get a clue. 

I never said all OBs want a c-section. There are plenty of good doctors out there who wouldn't make that the first choice. Unfortunately, there are some doctors who do want it scheduled (you can't say there aren't)...such as the women on this board who said their doctor wants them to have their baby before the holidays. I just think that stuff is sad. 

Deegirl322

Mrs.Bible:

Deegirl322:

Mrs.Bible:

Deegirl322:

AmericnJewl:

Deegirl322:

Lots of them are trying to cover their ass though. Why do you think c-sections are on the rise? Doctor friendly...they are in and out with the quick procedure. They don't like women hanging around laboring for hours on end. Doctors are not all knowing and make mistakes too. 

I don't know that I'd say the c-sections are doctor friendly... just percieved to be patient friendly.  You're in for a longer stay at the hospital and I'm sure just as many complications can arise from cutting someone open as delivering vaginally. 

 

What are you talking about? They are extremely doctor friendly. They can be in and out in as little as 20 minutes. They don't have to "waste their time" hanging around waiting for the woman to push out her baby. OBs are first and foremost trained surgeons. They don't see many natural births and cesareans are what's normal to them...hence the cesarean rise in our country.

Wait a minute!!!!  Have you had an C-Section????

This is not as cut and dry as you would like to make it sound.  I had a C-Section and believe me it is not a simple process for a doctor.  It is not something my doctor would have preferred to do.  I dont know what doctors you have been around - but I do know my doctor and the team of doctors that were there for my last year when I had to have my C-Section and believe me when I say - they waited...and waited...and did everything in their power to not only stop my labor but they waited for me and my husband to make a decision and they were willing to do whatever we wanted to do.  It all came down to my doctor telling my husband he rather have one body than two and it now was up to me and my husband to pick!!!! 

So to sit up here and casually throw out your comment that they dont see natural births as normal as C-Section is a totally irresponsible statement and its people like you who make it hard to be on the boards and not want to kick in their screens!!!!

 

I said they don't see natural med-free births that often anymore. Look at the c-section numbers for christ sake! There are many doctors out there who prefer to have you scheduled for a c-section. Yes, they are MAJOR surgery, which is why I want to avoid one unless it's an emergency.

I am sorry can you please let me know how many doctors you intereviewed who doesnt see that many natural med-free births anymore?  I think you are assuming because of the rise of C-Sections then that means people are not choosing to go natural - which is not the case.  If you poll the boards here on the nest - most people are choosing to go natural. 

I dont know any doctors who want to schedule you for a C-Section - especially if there is not a medically necessary reason for it.  If that has been your experience I think you need to change practices.

Of course you and anyone else with good sense would want to avoid a C-Section but just because you want to - doesnt mean that you can. But this is off the original subject of judging....and it leads me back to the OP. 

Again I say WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO JUDGE ANYONE for their personal choices.  Who made you all knowing and who said your way is the right way. 

I think everyone who are throwing out these comments - saying they are wrong to get an Epi (whether educated or not) - needs to remember - YOUR way is right for YOU...and only you....

Haha calm down there. I'm not judging people who educate themselves. I agree with Pivey in there being a difference with someone who signs up for drugs without researching ANYTHING and someone who wanted to go natural, but the situation changed and they had to have drugs (no judement there). So, if you would actually read my posts, I never said getting an epi is wrong. There are circumstances that you need it, but to get to the hospital w/o knowning anything about how your body or drugs work and requesting everything under the sun for pain is stupid.

fluffer.nutter

MosersGirl:

whitehead15:

I have never gone through childbirth.  I have had 14 surgeries because of volleyball.  I will be getting an epi....no question.  I had an epi for my last knee surgery and it was great.  Actually, I'm positive it's the only way I survived days after the surgery.  I have had every kind of anesthesia and pain killers and I'm perfectly fine.  I am a pro athlete and know how to breathe, focus, etc.  I'm sure I've gone through more pain than most women here.  At the end of the day, if you choose to deliver med free- good for you.  If you can deliver a happy, healthy baby and not want to rip your face off in the process, why wouldn't you???

 

I find it very annoying when people compare various surgeries to childbirth.  Of course I would ask for drugs if I were going in for knee surgery.  My body was not designed to be cut open at the knee.  My body was designed to give birth, and I would like to try to go med free to experience everything about it, and because I feel like it is best for my baby.  I do not judge anyone who gets an epi, as I may be asking for one while I'm in labor, and why judge?  What's the point?  I feel like I am the one who is judged for planning a natural birth by people who compare childbirth to surgery.  It's silly and doesn't make sense.

I agree with this. I also had an epi during knee surgery, and in that case the epi was a much better and safer choice than general anesthesia, in my opinion based on my research. but there is no correlation between deciding for or against an epi during knee surgery and during childbirth.

i still haven't fully researched the pros and cons and i haven't decided either way, but I can say that in making the choice my concern is what is best for the baby. that doesn't factor in at all during knee surgery.

aldyn

I am hoping to go drug free.  There is absolutely no question in my mind that a drug-free birth is best for the baby.  Having said that, I have no idea how I'll respond.  I faint extremely easily ~ basically if anything is really out of the ordinary, my body tends to 'check out' - so will the surge of hormones, the pain, etc. cause me to check out?  I don't know.  If that were the case, I imagine they'd  rush me in for an emergency c-section.  That's not what I want but I'm keeping an open mind.

I don't like to be in the habit of judging people, but I will admit that it really, really bugs me when people aren't educated about the process.  I usually keep my mouth shut, but secretly, inside, my mind is going crazy thinking how could they think that way?  How do they not know better?  Like a prior poster said, because I'm the type of person that likes to know as much as I can about the process, it's hard for me to understand people that approach things like this in blissful ignorance.

Deegirl322

aldyn:

I am hoping to go drug free.  There is absolutely no question in my mind that a drug-free birth is best for the baby.  Having said that, I have no idea how I'll respond.  I faint extremely easily ~ basically if anything is really out of the ordinary, my body tends to 'check out' - so will the surge of hormones, the pain, etc. cause me to check out?  I don't know.  If that were the case, I imagine they'd  rush me in for an emergency c-section.  That's not what I want but I'm keeping an open mind.

I don't like to be in the habit of judging people, but I will admit that it really, really bugs me when people aren't educated about the process.  I usually keep my mouth shut, but secretly, inside, my mind is going crazy thinking how could they think that way?  How do they not know better?  Like a prior poster said, because I'm the type of person that likes to know as much as I can about the process, it's hard for me to understand people that approach things like this in blissful ignorance.

Well said. This is the point I was trying to make. 

Piad1

People should do whatever they want.  I am hoping to have a med free birth, but I have already had an epi for my version, which I researched, and decided to do in order to have some chance of preventing a c-section.  If I end up having to be induced and deciding I want an epi, that's my business.  If I end up going all natural, then that's my business as well.  My husband and I make our own decisions with the input/guidance of the doctors.  I trust my doctors' opinions. 

canuck_luver

Mrs.Bible:

madhatter2003:

Nope. Because then I'd be one of the 'bad' guys since I had one.

I judge nothing about another woman's birth since every experience is individual, different, and completely none of my business.  

I personally research as much as I can, but that doesn't mean that those who don't are 'bad'.

Ditto

Agreed.

adrienne&eric

Come back and discuss this after you give birth. Before that, you can't say anything on the topic that is valid.

RachMatt

Almost like the people who have been through it think I'm very naive and have no idea what I'm in for.

 

Well, um, you don't.

Just sayin.

LucyHoneychrrch

No, I don't judge people who have an epi.  I do judge the sh!t out of people who decide somebody else's personal birth experience is subject to a "right-or-wrong" question.  This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

 

jeana&brandon

If your OB is a doctor that will give you a c-section because it's easier on him/her and fits in better with his/her tennis lessons...

I suggest you find a different f*cking OB.

ywia.

RachMatt

Just being educated on the subject doesnt really prep you a whole lot for contractions and 23 hours of labor.

Im interested to see how your ideas and judginess change once you have had a baby.

 

 

PoundCake

Will you all be researching things if you need to have other surgeries or if your child needs somewhat immediate medical treatment?

I've noticed that many of the women judging others for what they choose for their birth experience are the first ones at the pediatrician's office or calling with the most inane questions.

MsBlake

LOL I'm judging the majority of people in this post given that it appears that most of you haven't even given birth yet.

Cassandra1028

kittytaylor1:

You know what's really funny? Is when I tell people that I want a natural, drug free childbirth, I feel like I get judged. Almost like the people who have been through it think I'm very naive and have no idea what I'm in for. But on the flip side, most of these people haven't done any reading up on how to prepare for labor, they just wing it and go by their doctor's orders. So as far as I'm concerned, I won't judge you (unless you want my opinion), but don't do the same to me.

I completely agree with this. I find that telling people that I want to go natural I get laughs or these dog-like head tilts like "huh..I don't comprehend what you just said". I don't judge those that want epi's and all the pain meds they can get their hands on, so please don't judge me for wishing to have a med-free birth. I am also one that is not so dead-set against having a med-free birth that I would put my child at danger (for instance, if DS heart-rate went down and they wanted to do a c-section...I would not say no just because of my wishes) I believe you should make INFORMED choices for your child and remember that it's about the child first, then you!

babyzone

jeana&brandon:

If your OB is a doctor that will give you a c-section because it's easier on him/her and fits in better with his/her tennis lessons...

I suggest you find a different f*cking OB.

ywia.

This is what I was thinking too. My doctor hung around for 19 hours before deciding to do the fast 20 minute c-section.

angelaa73

I bet all you unmedicated douchnozzles had mothers that delivered you with drugs. And look how you all turned out! Brainiacs to boot!

Jessimurph

angelaa73:

I bet all you unmedicated douchnozzles had mothers that delivered you with drugs. And look how you all turned out! Brainiacs to boot!

Where does angelaa73 live so I can page her ass?

JennyCraig

How can you predict how you'll feel if you've never been in labour before? How do you know if your pain tolerance is high enough?? Just a question....

babyjoy09

she lives with the medicated douchnozzles

canuck_luver

adrienne&eric:

Come back and discuss this after you give birth. Before that, you can't say anything on the topic that is valid.

Umm. Yeah.

Natster09

No, I dont judge other women's birth choices. Honestly, I dont think anyone can physically relate to someone else's pain. How can I judge another woman for wanting to get an epidural based off of my pain tolerance? Doesnt make much sense to me. Also, why should anyone else's birth choices be up for critiquing anyway? How the heck does the outcome affect anyone but the parents and the child?

It irks the crap out of me when women feel the need to point fingers and chastise other women for their parenting style/opinions. It really comes off as bigotry/pretentiousness.

/rant 

Jessimurph

babyjoy09:

she lives with the medicated douchnozzles

Haha :: goes to look for "medicated douchenozzles" board::

TimingisEverything

Jessimurph:

babyjoy09:

she lives with the medicated douchnozzles

Haha :: goes to look for "medicated douchenozzles" board::

Dammit, I don't have one of those on the left side of my screen...