June 2013 Moms

EPing check in?

Anyone interested in having an exclusively pumping check in. I know pumping is a lot of work and it might be nice to have the support of one another to push us through. I would be happy to do the check in if people are interested.
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  • For sure!  Someone started this last week, but then the bump somehow deleted the post.  It was a big hit though!
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    For sure! nbsp;Someone started this last week, but then the bump somehow deleted the post. nbsp;It was a big hit though!

    Awe. I missed it.
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  • I am EP and I am only 2 weeks and I am getting frustrated and exhausted and only getting about 3 ounces at a time. I am going to try the fenugreek and blessed thistle supplements the LC suggested and hopefully that ups my supply. I was drinking the mothers milk tea but she suggested I get the supplements because I will get more into my system. Hopefully that works. I just wish my LO would latch on better.
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    For sure! nbsp;Someone started this last week, but then the bump somehow deleted the post. nbsp;It was a big hit though!
    Awe. I missed it.

    It was only up for a few hours but had lots of responses.  I elect you to start a new check-in! :)   

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  • image mommakristydawn:
    I am EP and I am only 2 weeks and I am getting frustrated and exhausted and only getting about 3 ounces at a time. I am going to try the fenugreek and blessed thistle supplements the LC suggested and hopefully that ups my supply. I was drinking the mothers milk tea but she suggested I get the supplements because I will get more into my system. Hopefully that works. I just wish my LO would latch on better.

    I'm sorry. It is frustrating and a lot of work! How often are you pumping? I'm getting between 2 and 3 ounces if I pump every 2 hours. It's enough to feed LO. I get tired of having to come home to pump if I've been gone for a while.
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  • Would love it! I could use some advice now as a matter of fact. My DS is 3 weeks old today and we have had trouble bfding from day 1. After several days of not latching, we started pumping and supplementing. My supply has been low from the beginning, but now that my DS appetite is increasing, I am hardly able to produce 2 bottles per day for him. I am only getting 1 to 1.5 oz per session and he is eating between 3 and 4 oz at a time. I've tried drinking tons of water, dark beer, oatmeal, almonds, 2 different types of supplements I had an allergic reaction to the one with fenugreek in it and I pump every 3 hours. The only thing that worked was the supplement with fenugreek in it unfortunately. I am really feeling discouraged and like it is almost pointless for me to keep going when it takes me up to 4 pumping sessions to produce what my guy needs for one meal... Thoughts, suggestions, comments?? TIA!
  • I am going on 12 weeks of EPing. It's a lot of work but so worth it. This week my supply has totally tanked and I've been considering giving it up, but I just can't bring myself to give up yet. I think part of my problem was my pump. It was acting weird and not sucking as good. I thoroughly cleaned everything which seems to have fixed that problem. I am also making sure I ate better and drink more. I started power pumping to see if that will help as well. I may be calling the doctor Monday but still haven't decided. I also want to make some lactation cookies to try. Hopefully something will help.

    I completely understand getting frustrated having to come home and pump. Luckily I have the Medela PISA and it has a battery pack. I take it with me and pump in the car often. Good luck to all the mamas out there pumping. Not quite the path I would've picked but at least we can still provide bm.

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    Would love it! I could use some advice now as a matter of fact. My DS is 3 weeks old today and we have had trouble bfding from day 1. After several days of not latching, we started pumping and supplementing. My supply has been low from the beginning, but now that my DS appetite is increasing, I am hardly able to produce 2 bottles per day for him. I am only getting 1 to 1.5 oz per session and he is eating between 3 and 4 oz at a time. I've tried drinking tons of water, dark beer, oatmeal, almonds, 2 different types of supplements I had an allergic reaction to the one with fenugreek in it and I pump every 3 hours. The only thing that worked was the supplement with fenugreek in it unfortunately. I am really feeling discouraged and like it is almost pointless for me to keep going when it takes me up to 4 pumping sessions to produce what my guy needs for one meal... Thoughts, suggestions, comments?? TIA!

    What kind of pump are you using? I was told 10 minutes on each side every 2 hours until you reach your goal. Your goal should be 25 to 35 ounces per day. Can you see a lactation consultant? Mine had a lot of info for exclusively pumping. I don't have any other advice... Sorry. Sounds frustrating!
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  • image kari.sandall:
    I am going on 12 weeks of EPing. It's a lot of work but so worth it. This week my supply has totally tanked and I've been considering giving it up, but I just can't bring myself to give up yet. I think part of my problem was my pump. It was acting weird and not sucking as good. I thoroughly cleaned everything which seems to have fixed that problem. I am also making sure I ate better and drink more. I started power pumping to see if that will help as well. I may be calling the doctor Monday but still haven't decided. I also want to make some lactation cookies to try. Hopefully something will help.

    I completely understand getting frustrated having to come home and pump. Luckily I have the Medela PISA and it has a battery pack. I take it with me and pump in the car often. Good luck to all the mamas out there pumping. Not quite the path I would've picked but at least we can still provide bm.

    Let me know how the lactation cookies turn out!!
    Don't give up! You've been doing it for so long!! I pump in the car with my manual pump. Hopefully you figure something out for your supply!! I started a freezer stash just in case that happens to me... I have heard it happens if you start excersizing. I am sure there are many things that affect supply.
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  • image Ilovebeingamom:
    image babymillersmommy:
    Would love it! I could use some advice now as a matter of fact. My DS is 3 weeks old today and we have had trouble bfding from day 1. After several days of not latching, we started pumping and supplementing. My supply has been low from the beginning, but now that my DS appetite is increasing, I am hardly able to produce 2 bottles per day for him. I am only getting 1 to 1.5 oz per session and he is eating between 3 and 4 oz at a time. I've tried drinking tons of water, dark beer, oatmeal, almonds, 2 different types of supplements I had an allergic reaction to the one with fenugreek in it and I pump every 3 hours. The only thing that worked was the supplement with fenugreek in it unfortunately. I am really feeling discouraged and like it is almost pointless for me to keep going when it takes me up to 4 pumping sessions to produce what my guy needs for one meal... Thoughts, suggestions, comments?? TIA!

    What kind of pump are you using? I was told 10 minutes on each side every 2 hours until you reach your goal. Your goal should be 25 to 35 ounces per day. Can you see a lactation consultant? Mine had a lot of info for exclusively pumping. I don't have any other advice... Sorry. Sounds frustrating!


    It is frustrating and heart breaking at the same time bc my DS is so gassy and in pain quite a bit. I feel bad about the fact that I can't give him more breast milk to help with the digestion . Anyway, I am using a Madela symphony hospital grade pump, at the recommendation of my lactation consultant. Honestly I have seen 3 different consultants so far and my current one who is by far the best, has had me try all these things and finally believes there might just be some underlying health reason as to why I'm not producing enough. The supplement I'm taking now is a liquid that has a lot of extra iron in it. It hasn't helped so far.
  • image babymillersmommy:
    Would love it! I could use some advice now as a matter of fact. My DS is 3 weeks old today and we have had trouble bfding from day 1. After several days of not latching, we started pumping and supplementing. My supply has been low from the beginning, but now that my DS appetite is increasing, I am hardly able to produce 2 bottles per day for him. I am only getting 1 to 1.5 oz per session and he is eating between 3 and 4 oz at a time. I've tried drinking tons of water, dark beer, oatmeal, almonds, 2 different types of supplements I had an allergic reaction to the one with fenugreek in it and I pump every 3 hours. The only thing that worked was the supplement with fenugreek in it unfortunately. I am really feeling discouraged and like it is almost pointless for me to keep going when it takes me up to 4 pumping sessions to produce what my guy needs for one meal... Thoughts, suggestions, comments?? TIA!

    Have you tried power pumping sessions? What about adding Blessed Thistle to the Fenugreek?  You can also think about Domperidone and Reglan (although I've heard Reglan has more side effects). 

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    image babymillersmommy:
    Would love it! I could use some advice now as a matter of fact. My DS is 3 weeks old today and we have had trouble bfding from day 1. After several days of not latching, we started pumping and supplementing. My supply has been low from the beginning, but now that my DS appetite is increasing, I am hardly able to produce 2 bottles per day for him. I am only getting 1 to 1.5 oz per session and he is eating between 3 and 4 oz at a time. I've tried drinking tons of water, dark beer, oatmeal, almonds, 2 different types of supplements I had an allergic reaction to the one with fenugreek in it and I pump every 3 hours. The only thing that worked was the supplement with fenugreek in it unfortunately. I am really feeling discouraged and like it is almost pointless for me to keep going when it takes me up to 4 pumping sessions to produce what my guy needs for one meal... Thoughts, suggestions, comments?? TIA!

    Have you tried power pumping sessions? What about adding Blessed Thistle to the Fenugreek?  You can also think about Domperidone and Reglan (although I've heard Reglan has more side effects). 

    What is power pumping? I'm getting around 1.5 oz out of each breast when I pump but would like to get more since LO eats 3 oz at each feeding. I'm going to try fenugreek and see if that helps.

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    image kelly422:

    image babymillersmommy:
    Would love it! I could use some advice now as a matter of fact. My DS is 3 weeks old today and we have had trouble bfding from day 1. After several days of not latching, we started pumping and supplementing. My supply has been low from the beginning, but now that my DS appetite is increasing, I am hardly able to produce 2 bottles per day for him. I am only getting 1 to 1.5 oz per session and he is eating between 3 and 4 oz at a time. I've tried drinking tons of water, dark beer, oatmeal, almonds, 2 different types of supplements I had an allergic reaction to the one with fenugreek in it and I pump every 3 hours. The only thing that worked was the supplement with fenugreek in it unfortunately. I am really feeling discouraged and like it is almost pointless for me to keep going when it takes me up to 4 pumping sessions to produce what my guy needs for one meal... Thoughts, suggestions, comments?? TIA!

    Have you tried power pumping sessions? What about adding Blessed Thistle to the Fenugreek?  You can also think about Domperidone and Reglan (although I've heard Reglan has more side effects). 

    What is power pumping? I'm getting around 1.5 oz out of each breast when I pump but would like to get more since LO eats 3 oz at each feeding. I'm going to try fenugreek and see if that helps.

    Power pumping is a way to boost your supply.  I tried it when my supply tanked after I had plugged ducts.  My supply gradually improved, but I don't think the power pumping helped.  But for some people it works!  About once a day for 3-4 days to a week, you pump for 20 minutes, take a break for 10, pump for 10, take a break for 10, pump for 10 (total of 1 hour).  It basically mimics a baby going through a growth spurt and tells your body to make more.  

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    image mommakristydawn:
    I am EP and I am only 2 weeks and I am getting frustrated and exhausted and only getting about 3 ounces at a time. I am going to try the fenugreek and blessed thistle supplements the LC suggested and hopefully that ups my supply. I was drinking the mothers milk tea but she suggested I get the supplements because I will get more into my system. Hopefully that works. I just wish my LO would latch on better.

    Getting 3 oz at 2 weeks is absolutely marvelous supply!  Sure it may not add up to what some other Epers are pumping, but it's very normal or even high normal!!

    Most moms take up til after 3 week growth spurt to pump a normal amount of oz.  Because baby's tummy is so small when born, and if nursing at the breast would get very small amounts as it slowly increases as baby's stomach stretches.  Sometimes when giving bottles right off the batt we jump to a higher oz than what baby would get if breastfeeding and that can complicate Eping. When born baby's tummy is the size of a marble, or one swallow of amniotic fluid.  It stretches to the size of a shooter marble about the time your milk comes in, then to the size of a golf ball and should remain about the size of their fist.

    some people including drs will say give them all the milk they want cause they'll spit up if they get too much.  But realistically some babies spit up excess, some do not--but for either their stomach will stretch out.  Just like when adults overeat our stomachs stretch out so we can fit in a steak, baked potato, salad, bread, ice tea and dessert and appetizers.

    Normal intake for a breastfed baby ~3 weeks is 25 oz a day, with a range of 19-30 oz.  Normally breastfed babies at the breast never take in more than about 2.5-3 oz per every 2.5-3 hours, they may go up to 4 oz occassionally, but usually not higher/bigger bottles until their number of feedings in a day goes below 6, where they usually are about 6 mos and start STTN and eating solids.

    so the average is 1 oz per hour around the clock.  Certainly newborns nurse way more often than every 2.5-3 hours, usually every 1.5-2 hours with one longer sleep period per day which often happens during the day since they have days and nights mixed up.

    I give you this info, so you can use it to help make eping more "breastfeeding-like" which may help you with understanding where your supply should be right now.  Having an inaccurate view of what is normal may set you up for failure, cause you think you aren't making enough milk, even though you are making a normal amount.

    Bottlefeeding throws a monkey wrench into things because a newborn can nurse virtually non-stop at the breast and not overeat--to satisfy their intense instinct to nurse for survival.  The breast will continue to let down more milk the longer they nurse, but the milk becomes more calorie dense containing more fats  and signalling to their brain that they are full and help keep them more content for longer. also baby can non-nutritive suck at the breast, which still signals your body to make more milk, but doesn't let down milk actively which will keep baby "pacified" without overfeeding--and will help them to increase their mouth and jaw strength to get more effective. 

    so for bottle feeding, use slow paced feedings, stopping every 1/2-1 oz to burp for several minutes, switch sides you hold baby on like you'd do if nursing (stimulates both sides of their brain and their vision better in both eyes) and slows down the feedings.  Make feedings last about 20 minutes with a slow flow bottle, with the lots of stops to burp, and sit baby more upright, tilt bottle downward and use a slow flow bottle nipple to keep them from eating too fast.  If they eat too fast, they'll eat more oz than their bodies really need, trying to get that sucking satisfaction.  Use of pacifier or your pinky finger for a few minutes after feeding can also help make them feel more satisfied with a normal amount of milk.

    When pumping, be sure you are pumping long enough--that 20 minutes recommended above is a reasonable goal as that's how long it takes an effective baby to empty the breast.  If you aren't getting enough oz, be sure to pump for 5-15 minutes after the milk stops flowing to signal to your body you need more milk.  You might get another let down, but letting down for the pump is a problem some moms do have as well.  relaxation, breast massage, warm cloths, bending over at the waist and giving the boobs a shake with the bra off can help with let dwn as well as pics/video/smell of baby.  Skin to skin with baby increases your prolactin levels which is the breastfeeding hormone.

    Be sure you are pumping often enough.  VERY Frequent emptying of the breast in the initial post partum period actually grows milk ducts and milk making aveoli that will create effective milk supply later on.  So as often as you can, pump every 2-3 hours for 20 minutes with one longer sleep at night of 3-4 hours--like a newborn that is nursing would empty the breast that often.  If possible, at 1 week, 3 weeks, 6 weeks and 3 ad 6 mos-ish signal that your pump is going thru a growth spurt (just like a baby would) and pump every 1-2 hours, and pump a bit longer than you normally would.  If possible occassionally sit down for an hour or two watching tv and pretend your pump is cluster feeding, pump one side for 20 min, then the other side for 20 minutes, then back to side #1 for 10-15 min, side #2 for the same.  Then drink a boatload of water, eat oatmeal cookies, and then repeat.   That will signal your body to make more milk.

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  • Would love it!!! I'm getting frustrated with having to pump every two to three hours. But I know it's best for lo so that's why I keep going
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  • Count me in!  I'm EP'ing and getting about 8oz per pump now (4 from each breast) at just over 2wks pp.  Today is my last day of help because DH goes back to work. I think pumping will become much harder while watching a toddler and a newborn, but I plan to push through and do it for 9mo-1yr!  With DD I EP'd for 6mo and wished I had kept going.
  • I'm in too! I'm at 5 weeks tomorrow of EP. It is exhausting, but worth it for DS and our wallets!

    Would love the support. Got frustrated around week 2, and since have been making small goals. My ultimate goal would be atleast 6 months but since that seems SO far away I started with 1 month. Now my goal is to make it to 2 months, etc...

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  • I'm in! Due to my sons small mouth, not latching correctly, and my milk taking 5 days to come in, we've gone to pumping and supplementing. Im 8 days PP and only get 1oz out of each breast. DS will go through that in about 2ish hours.
    Its so easy to get sidetracked and push pumping back...so frustrated.

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  • I'm interested! I also commented in the post that disappeared. 

    I've cut down on the frequency of pumping recently. And gotta love lugging the pump with me when I leave the house and am going to be out for several hours.  

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