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NBR- serious dog help needed

My dog just nipped at my 2 year old and got her in the face. There is a small mark there, and of course O cried for some time.

I am sure O got in her face, as she does frequently, depspite many attemps on our part to teach her otherwise. I was using the bathroom when it happened. 

The dog is getting older, and I am sure she gets annoyed by DD. But it scared the crap out of me. It was minor, but could have been a huge deal. 

What would you do, seriously? My options are make her a 100% outside dog, or find a rescue. She is a purebred Belgian Malinois. Obviously leaving her outside on 6 acres isn't horrible, but she is used to being inside and will jump on the back door eventually to get in. A chance I am willing to take if need be though. 

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Re: NBR- serious dog help needed

  • I would talk to your vet about training. They might be able to recommend somebody.
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  • My first thought was, "well that will teach the kid".

    In all seriousness, check to see if the dog is hurting anywhere, the dog I grew up with snapped at me when he was in pain, it was the first sign for us that something was wrong, he didn't limp or anything.

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    I would talk to your vet about training. They might be able to recommend somebody.

    I am only afraid that this wouldn't really ever offer me the security that I needed to feel comfortable with her around the kids. She is about 9 years old (old for her breed) and she is just getting worse in temperament with age. 

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  • I'm so sorry for the scare. This is a tough one.  My husband and I have talked about this as we also have a large dog and do worry about the possible chance encounter like this.  For me, I would not get rid of the dog, rather keep a very close eye out when the two of them are together in the room. HOWEVER, I have not experienced this and am not a mom, yet, so my view may change if this were to happen to us after the birth of the baby.  What a tough decision.  I hope that you can come to a decision that is best for all.  

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    I would talk to your vet about training. They might be able to recommend somebody.

    I am only afraid that this wouldn't really ever offer me the security that I needed to feel comfortable with her around the kids. She is about 9 years old (old for her breed) and she is just getting worse in temperament with age. 

    This was about the age of out mastiff, he was just in a lot of pain. He normally would let kids crawl all over him etc...and it was downhill from there.

    Take him to the vet to get checked out and make sure he's feeling ok, dogs don't display pain the way people do, you may never know.

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  • Definitely training and maybe keeping them in separate rooms until daughter is old enough to understand.  
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    I'm so sorry for the scare. This is a tough one.  My husband and I have talked about this as we also have a large dog and do worry about the possible chance encounter like this.  For me, I would not get rid of the dog, rather keep a very close eye out when the two of them are together in the room. HOWEVER, I have not experienced this and am not a mom, yet, so my view may change if this were to happen to us after the birth of the baby.  What a tough decision.  I hope that you can come to a decision that is best for all.  

    I love this answer, but I just cannot be watching them 100% of the time. Especially since there is a new baby on the way. There are numerous times a day where I am not in direct eye view of them, you know?

    I have really no idea what to do. I have a call into the vet and the rescue org to get some advice. 

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  • if it were me (which we are a little prepared for with Tyson) he will become an outside dog or live with our parents (either set) if it gets too bad... he is very protective of food and bones etc.... he was also picked on by my little niece when she was 3 or 4 (she did something to him im sure of it) and he holds grudges now with people that stand his height.  So this will be an interesting post but this is what i plan to do.
  • I don't think I could ever get rid of my dog.  And when our family had old grumpy dogs the children were all given a stern talking to to stay away from the dog.  It worked.  Maybe you need a dog room?  Like a gate on the kitchen or something... and the dog can be inside, but just separate.  I am glad you are not 100% blaming the dog.  Hope it works out! 
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    I'm so sorry for the scare. This is a tough one.  My husband and I have talked about this as we also have a large dog and do worry about the possible chance encounter like this.  For me, I would not get rid of the dog, rather keep a very close eye out when the two of them are together in the room. HOWEVER, I have not experienced this and am not a mom, yet, so my view may change if this were to happen to us after the birth of the baby.  What a tough decision.  I hope that you can come to a decision that is best for all.  

    I love this answer, but I just cannot be watching them 100% of the time. Especially since there is a new baby on the way. There are numerous times a day where I am not in direct eye view of them, you know?

    I have really no idea what to do. I have a call into the vet and the rescue org to get some advice. 

    You are right; this is really not feasible...easy for me to say with no kids and only a dog...I really hope that the rescue group/vet can give you suggestions. 

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  • If you can't watch them all day, and, well, of course you can't, keep them separated until your kids are old enough to be alone with the dog without worry.  We have a series of baby gates we employ around the house because we can't always have eyes on the dogs. 

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    My first thought was, "well that will teach the kid".

    In all seriousness, check to see if the dog is hurting anywhere, the dog I grew up with snapped at me when he was in pain, it was the first sign for us that something was wrong, he didn't limp or anything.

    Same here. Some kids don't get it until they actually have consequences bite them in the face (this time literally).

    Check the dog over, check with your vet about training options- both the dog and child need to be taught that what happened was not acceptable. If keeping them in separate rooms is an option, that would be an easy start until you are comfortable with them being alone together (which age 2 is pretty young to be trusted alone with a dog. I won't leave mine with 10 year olds alone simply because dogs and kids can be a bad mix if not properly monitored, regardless of the breed and age of dog).

     

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  • If you have the dog as an outside only dog, when you let your child out to play you still risk your child agitating the dog again and getting nipped (or worse) next time. It won't matter if you're extremely watchful of your child and the dog, it could happen again. To me, I wouldn't risk it.

    I'd offer the dog to someone who doesn't have kids, maybe some empty-nesters who can give the attention the dog needs and won't be small enough to agitate the dog. Sometimes, when dogs get older, young children just irritate them and there's no cure for that. 

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    I'm so sorry for the scare. This is a tough one.  My husband and I have talked about this as we also have a large dog and do worry about the possible chance encounter like this.  For me, I would not get rid of the dog, rather keep a very close eye out when the two of them are together in the room. HOWEVER, I have not experienced this and am not a mom, yet, so my view may change if this were to happen to us after the birth of the baby.  What a tough decision.  I hope that you can come to a decision that is best for all.  

    Perfectly said. I can say right now that I would never ever give up my dog, even if she nipped at my child in her old, crotchety state. But, like tulips, I'm not a mom yet, so I really shouldn't say that, and I absolutely won't judge a mom for giving up an aggresive dog.

    Is keeping them separate not an option? That's what I'd do first. Gate the dog in another part of the house with her bed and toys while LO is out and about, and when LO is asleep, give dog free reign. That way you don't have to keep an eye on them 100% of the time.

    I hope you work something out for all of you. Good luck!

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  • This is something we've dealt with before, being the owner of two big dogs - one is a pit bull and the other is a pit/boxer mix.  We had a (rescued) pit before we had kids who chased a little girl down a flight of stairs, pinned her down at the bottom of the stairs and bit the little girl on the face.  We refused to tolerate her and turned her over to animal services immediately.  Our dogs now are incredible and so good with our 3-year-old DD.  Our rule is to give each dog two chances (unless it's something crazy like with the chaser).  And I don't mean two chances to bite.  I mean two chances to be aggressive towards people.  The first could be (and these are real-life examples) growling at a kid, nipping, as opposed to biting, at a kid, or biting either DH or myself.  Second time any of this happens, our dogs are out of my house.  

    That's what works for our family, which includes our dogs.  You have to think about what works for you guys as a family with a pet.  As much as I believe in second chances for animals, just like people, if I honestly did not, as a mother, feel comfortable leaving my daughter and dogs alone together, I'd get rid of the dogs.  Trust your instincts.  If it wasn't a serious injury and you think DD may have instigated it, give the dog another chance.  The kids have GOT to learn, but the dogs have to learn, too.  Good luck!

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  • I always said I would never be able to get rid of my dog and after having DD I am this close to sending him to live with my mom. Not from being aggressive but just out of control behavior wise I can't keep up with him constantly doing bad things for my attention. In your case though, if my dog nipped at my child she would be gone, bottom line. If you can't find maybe a family member to take her I would contact a shelter, I don't think its fair to make the dog 100% an outside dog after 9 years of being an inside dog.
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  • This happened to a co-worker of mine (and we work in an animal hospital). The dog bit her son's face pretty bad. The 18 month old had to get stitches. DH and I thought if we were in her shoes we would get rid of the dog. However, she decided to keep him and he and her now 2 1/2 year old LO are just kept seperated. The dog is in the room when her son is in his highchair or something but otherwise I think they are kept on seperate floors. Maybe your dog can be an outside dog and have acces to certain rooms?
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  • At the recommendation of our vet, we called Bark Busters when we found out we were expecting. They are an in-home dog training service and have been AMAZING. We have a large Golden Retreiver, a German Shorthaired Pointer and a Bloodhound (who, at a year old, is already over 100lbs).

    BB has given us a lot of steps to take to get our furry brood ready for a little one and has just helped in overall control. They can focus on specific behavior issues and focus a lot on that "pack leader" concept. We've been really pleased. Maybe a trainer could help. It's not 100% security, but it gives us a lot of peace of mind.

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    Time to get rid of the dog.

    Maybe there is a family member or friend who can take care of her?

    Or somehow she needs to be separated from children. 

    I completely believe that dogs are a member of the family, but childrens safety comes first. 

    I had an older dog who never did snap, but we were always scared she did. I'm actually kind of glad she passed away before we conceived.

    Its a tough decision, but it sounds to me like she's not safe around children. 

  • We had to re-home our aggressive great dane (he was mentally challenged and training wasn't working) after he kept attacking people and other animals. I'd talk to your vet, but re-homing might need to be an option. I don't know how strict they are in the states but a young woman (teen mom style) was recently arrested because her roommate?s dog killed her three week old baby. Apparently the SPCA feels that you are being negligent if you are not physically in between your animal and your child at ALL TIMES.

    http://montreal.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20100607/mtl_100607_barnabe/20100608/?hub=MontrealHome

    This was really sad but it made me feel better knowing that I did the right thing by getting our dog away from children. Your dog might just need to be in a different room most of the time or it may need to be re-homed, but that's up to you and your vet. But you have to ask yourself, is the dog that has already bitten your child worth getting your kids taken away? The reality is that you can easily have a non social dog on 6 acres, but because he's bitten a child once, you can never have it in the same room as a child without an adult in between the two of them. Can you do that? Do you want to? Good luck. I've been there and it's a horrible decision to have to make.

     

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  • Not sure what I would do if it was MY dog.  A similar thing happened with my ILs' dog though.  She's about 11 now and achey all over.  My DS fell on her (trying to hug her) and she yelped and nipped him on the head.  He didn't really cry, but was startled and a little offended.  The dog ran away.  It was obvious she didn't really mean to and was just reacting.  We just tell DS to be very gentle with her now and make sure he doesn't treat her the way he wrestles with the younger lab.
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  • At risk of offending some people, I have had a little time to think here, and I don't think I feel good at all about keeping her here around little kids.

    This is not the first incident. She has snapped and growled at DD many times. At least 2/3 snaps for sure that I can remember. Each time I got very upset and went through the same charade I am going through now. But I never did anything about it, obviously. 

    But I just had a mental image of the "next" time this were to happen, and me taking one of my girls to Vandy Children's to have her face reconstructed from a 75 pound dog bite. And to know that I would have already had prior "warnings" that I did not heed. I would not be able to live with myself knowing I could have prevented this from happening. 

    I am going to find her another home with no children. I will not take her to the shelter (which is a kill shelter here), and I am not able to keep the dog separated from the kids all the time. It's just not feasible. She gets irritated if confined, and it will really be worse in the long run. 

    Thanks for your advice, and I really pray no one ever has to be in this position. In the long run, it's the safety of my kids over the comfort of the dog. 

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  • I think you are probably making the right decision. If you know you cannot keep them seperated then you'd be putting your child at risk. Did you look at the link I posted? It's not worth the risk of losing your children if the dog bit someone again.
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  • I would get her checked out by your vet and use gates like PP suggested when you can't supervise yourself. Old dogs don't have an easy time finding homes.
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  • This post rubs me all kinds of the wrong way.

     I am sure O got in her face, as she does frequently, depspite many attemps on our part to teach her otherwise. I was using the bathroom when it happened. 

    If you know your child doesn't respect the dog's boundaries, you shouldn't have left them alone. Sorry, I understand it's hard, but it's the truth. This could have been prevented. Now that it happened, deal with the root of the issue and move forward.

     My options are make her a 100% outside dog, or find a rescue.

    Really, these are your only option? What about working with the dog with a behaviorist? Or establishing better boundaries for the dog and the kid? Baby gates? You're giving up too easily, IMO.

     

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    I think you are probably making the right decision. If you know you cannot keep them seperated then you'd be putting your child at risk. Did you look at the link I posted? It's not worth the risk of losing your children if the dog bit someone again.

    Yeah. It was not a happy decision, but I couldn't deal if something happened to one of the girls or their friends.

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  • Whats with all of the suggestions to turn them into outside dogs? That sounds insane.

    Has this dog had any training at all?

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    At risk of offending some people, I have had a little time to think here, and I don't think I feel good at all about keeping her here around little kids.

    This is not the first incident. She has snapped and growled at DD many times. At least 2/3 snaps for sure that I can remember. Each time I got very upset and went through the same charade I am going through now. But I never did anything about it, obviously. 

    Oh FFS, honestly, I think you're just looking for an excuse to get rid of the dog. This is a million percent your own fault if a)you knew the dog snapped before and (as you say yourself) you never did anything about it and b)you still left them alone.

    This whole incident was preventable, but obviously, you never cared enough previously to work with the dog, and clearly don't now. Poor dog.

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    At risk of offending some people, I have had a little time to think here, and I don't think I feel good at all about keeping her here around little kids.

    This is not the first incident. She has snapped and growled at DD many times. At least 2/3 snaps for sure that I can remember. Each time I got very upset and went through the same charade I am going through now. But I never did anything about it, obviously. 

    Oh FFS, honestly, I think you're just looking for an excuse to get rid of the dog. This is a million percent your own fault if a)you knew the dog snapped before and (as you say yourself) you never did anything about it and b)you still left them alone.

    This whole incident was preventable, but obviously, you never cared enough previously to work with the dog, and clearly don't now. Poor dog.

    STFU.  She's trying to make the best decision for everyone involved.

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