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Anyone else against the flu shot?

I've never had the flu shot and will never get one. Same goes for DS. I'm a TERRIBLE mother!!! haha I'm a teacher and I'm sure I'm exposed to every stand of flu that is out there. The flu shot only "protects" you from certain strands when there are TONS out there. I believe in washing hands and doing things to reduce the spread of germs. I know some will flame, but I will never change my mind on this one. I'm ok with being a terrible mother and being sooooooooo at risk. haha! There has to be others out there that are against the flu shot. I speak to people daily that do not believe in them. 
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  • Not trying to sound cool at all. I just don't believe in them and will not inject my child with a dead virus. Everyone is entitled to do what they want. This is my own choice and don't feel bad about it. Just wondering if there are other people on Tri 1 that feel the same. So sensitive around here. 
  • Not trying to sound cool at all. I just don't believe in them and will not inject my child with a dead virus. Everyone is entitled to do what they want. This is my own choice and don't feel bad about it. Just wondering if there are other people on Tri 1 that feel the same. So sensitive around here. 
    No one is being sensitive. If you lurked a bit, you would know this is a hot topic (any vaccine, and especially anti-vaccine post). This is dealing with our own health and the health of others. Especially since there have been many posts recently about deaths of pregnant women, infants, and children THIS flu season from the flu and its complications.
    I've been lurking on Tri 1 since I was pregnant with DS and he is 3.5. I saw the other posts and that is exactly why I asked if anyone on here didn't believe in the shot since I already read who is so for it. Again, I wanted to hear from others who did not and will not get the shot. 
  • There is no injectable flu vaccine that doesn't have thimerosol, the organic mercury compound that is used as a preservative (there are other childhood vaccinations that have only trace amounts of it).  No single strain of influenza has been determined vitally necessary to the recommended childrens' vaccination schedule; therefore, not getting the flu vaccine does NOT increase the likelihood of an epidemic - influenza diseases are considered relatively benign and surmountable by the average immune system.  There have been scientific, double-blind, peer-reviewed studies of what causes chronic fatigue syndrome, multiple sclerosis, autism, schizophrenia, and many other diseases - but current medical science still does not know the cause of those diseases.  Medical science DOES know that mercury is bad for you.  I'm gonna go ahead and err on the side of common sense: if someone who's not an expert tells me that a poison is okay to eat, I'm just going to skip the poison anyway.

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  • OP: We just lost two pregnant women here in Wisconsin who did not have the flu shot. I hope you don't get the flu.
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  • I'll make sure to pass your sentiments on to the family of the pregnant woman that is being removed from life support today. Her baby died after her 106 fever. She also suffered brain damage. I'm part of her church mothers' group. Get the fucking shot & don't be a moron.

    Don't forget to relay OP's ever so obnoxious and mocking "haha!"

    That poor family. How terribly sad.
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  • I said "haha" to my terrible mother comment. Wow 1st Tri never changes... Uptight. Again, I was asking if anyone else is against the shot. 
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    And thank you for reminding me why I have always had you in the stupid as fuck column. You did a good job parading around TTGP as a semi-sane person.

    You thought she did a good job?  I've had her on my post it since her intro.

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  • I haven't gotten it but I'm not against. In fact I called my doctors office to see if they wanted me to get it yesterday because they haven't talked to me about it. They told me they would give it to me at my next appointment but that's not for 4 weeks, so I'm going to call back and see if I can just go it myself . They didn't come out with the flu shot to hurt you. It's to protect you from something that can be life threatening.

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  • MrsDeo said:
    Shima42 said:
    There is no injectable flu vaccine that doesn't have thimerosol, the organic mercury compound that is used as a preservative (there are other childhood vaccinations that have only trace amounts of it).  No single strain of influenza has been determined vitally necessary to the recommended childrens' vaccination schedule; therefore, not getting the flu vaccine does NOT increase the likelihood of an epidemic - influenza diseases are considered relatively benign and surmountable by the average immune system.  There have been scientific, double-blind, peer-reviewed studies of what causes chronic fatigue syndrome, multiple sclerosis, autism, schizophrenia, and many other diseases - but current medical science still does not know the cause of those diseases.  Medical science DOES know that mercury is bad for you.  I'm gonna go ahead and err on the side of common sense: if someone who's not an expert tells me that a poison is okay to eat, I'm just going to skip the poison anyway.
    Um. Yes. Yes, there is. I got it from Rite Aid when I was pregnant with DS. Not all pharmacies have it, but a lot of them do. You just have to ask for it. So this entire argument just went out the window.

    And in case you don't believe me, here's the CDC's page that says there's a thimerosal free injectable vaccine for 2013-2014: http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/vaccine/thimerosal.htm

    "The single-dose units are made without thimerosal as a preservative because they are intended to be opened and used only once. Additionally, the live-attenuated version of the vaccine (the nasal spray vaccine), is produced in single-dose units and does not contain thimerosal."

    And here's the FDA's website that lists the thimerosal content in vaccines, and lists a version of Fluzone with no thimerosal that has been available since 2004. http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228#t1

    Me too!

    Also, thimerosol isn't mercury. It does contain ethyl mercury, which is different than methyl mercury - methylmercury is what builds up in large fish, for example, and like the mercury you think of in old-fashioned thermometers, it's toxic. Ethyl mercury metabolizes and passes out of your body relatively quickly; methylmercury can accumulate and cause health problems, and you could call it a poison if you want to, I guess. Science doesn't have any issues with ethyl mercury, so saying that "science knows mercury is bad for you" is shooting way off target here.


    "Is thiomersal the same as methyl mercury?

    No, there are several forms of mercury occurring in the environment, however by far the most common organic mercury compound is methyl mercury. The main hazard for methyl mercury is its ability to accumulate in the body and to remain there for a long time. The exposure to this naturally-occurring compound and its toxic effects on humans have been well studied. As most humans are exposed to mercury in some form, WHO and some national regulatory authorities defined safe levels for exposure to mercury and the values reflect exposure mainly to methyl mercury. Thiomersal contains a different form of mercury i.e. ethyl mercury which does not accumulate and is metabolized and removed from the body much faster than is methyl mercury."

    ETA: Clarifying

    I stand corrected about whether or not there are flu vaccines without mercury - and happy to be so.  I will still refuse to give myself or my children known poisons like mercury when they are present in fish, vaccines, or anything else.  I think that, sometimes, those on both sides of this argument forget that there is a middle ground.  There are reasonable people who will get all the vaccines they can without taking poison.  I'm one of them.  It's wise to be kind to those on either side of the argument by pointing out common ground and keeping an open mind.  It really is okay if someone wants to avoid mercury; it is not stupidity, it is caution.  As I point out whenever I have this conversation, almost all childhood vaccines now have a mercury-free version.  That's where we can meet, and where the smart folks at the WHO and CDC have decided they have to go in order to keep the public vaccinated!  I think that jumping to conclusions about someone being a 'crazy anti-vaxxer' is counterproductive.  You don't win someone over by being combative.  Peace and conciliation come from calm, kind conversation.  If you're worried about something as serious as an epidemic, it's best to adopt strategies that actually work.

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  • Sure, Mizoo.  I am concerned about the things that you mentioned.  However, I try to stay away from industrial areas where there may be higher concentrations of toxins in the air, I purify my drinking water as much as I can, and I avoid eating the pits and seeds of fruits (where the cyanide is).  As with all things in life, I try to keep a level head and do my best to avoid poisoning myself while not going overboard.  After all, there's no point in drinking the poison just because you're swimming in it!


  • Huh. I just chomp right through the pits and seeds of fruits because pits and seeds TASTE SO GOOD. Cyanide be damned. You have some willpower, @shima42
    LOL not really.  I don't care for them ;-D  Especially raspberry seeds!

  • I don't get it. Why post this? You say you're wondering if other people are against it too, but why does that matter? You've made your decision and say you won't change your mind, so it shouldn't matter whether others agree with you.


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  • Ok, just out of curiousity, I have to ask - @FtrMrsPriest - did you bother looking at the rest of this website before you posted this link??? I'm honestly curious. Because I had some time to kill while DS was napping, and I was browsing the site for the heck of it. There's an article on how your houseplants can read your mind, an article about how extraterrestrials have given us clues about a big event that's supposed to happen, and an article about how the Queen of England is part of a pedophile ring. 
    I am seriously trying to understand how anyone could think that website was a legitimate news source.
    LOLLLL! I'm going to hope for humanity's sake that she didn't read it!
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  • I have to say there is vaccines without the preservative....I react to it so I get it without and our Pediatricianpnly gives one's without to kids.


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  • I am sure if your child lands up in a PICU on ECMO your haha attitude would change quickly. Before you decide what's best for your child do some real research. The flu does kill. It even kills previously healthy individuals. I get mine every year. It's sad every year the kids that die in the hospital I work at because lack of flu vaccine. My DD has an egg allergy and she even gets it under direct supervision of her allergist office.
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  • Semi-related question (sorry it's not as funny as all the other posts here).... aren't teachers required to have a flu shot???
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  • Semi-related question (sorry it's not as funny as all the other posts here).... aren't teachers required to have a flu shot???

    If they aren't I really think they should be, just like health professionals.
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  • Semi-related question (sorry it's not as funny as all the other posts here).... aren't teachers required to have a flu shot???

    It is at my MILs school.


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  • trombgirl said:
    Semi-related question (sorry it's not as funny as all the other posts here).... aren't teachers required to have a flu shot???
    If they aren't I really think they should be, just like health professionals.

    We actually aren't required to get the flu shot. A neighboring hospital does require them though. I think it depends on the place. I did hear that next season, our hospital will make them mandatory or else you will have to wear a mask constantly. I guess this terrible flu season scared them into it. The percentage of employees at my hospital who received the flu shot is the highest it's ever been. People are getting scared now that they see patients dying and they are just now getting their shots.
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  • Meery82 said:
    trombgirl said:
    Semi-related question (sorry it's not as funny as all the other posts here).... aren't teachers required to have a flu shot???
    If they aren't I really think they should be, just like health professionals.

    We actually aren't required to get the flu shot. A neighboring hospital does require them though. I think it depends on the place. I did hear that next season, our hospital will make them mandatory or else you will have to wear a mask constantly. I guess this terrible flu season scared them into it. The percentage of employees at my hospital who received the flu shot is the highest it's ever been. People are getting scared now that they see patients dying and they are just now getting their shots.
    It is required at my hospital to have an annual flu shot.  The only excuse is medical reasons/allergy.  If someone refuses to get one, they must wear a mask at all times during flu season. 
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  • Meery82 said:
    trombgirl said:
    Semi-related question (sorry it's not as funny as all the other posts here).... aren't teachers required to have a flu shot???
    If they aren't I really think they should be, just like health professionals.

    We actually aren't required to get the flu shot. A neighboring hospital does require them though. I think it depends on the place. I did hear that next season, our hospital will make them mandatory or else you will have to wear a mask constantly. I guess this terrible flu season scared them into it. The percentage of employees at my hospital who received the flu shot is the highest it's ever been. People are getting scared now that they see patients dying and they are just now getting their shots.
    That's how my DH's hospital is. You either get the flu shot, you sign a waver and wear a mask all flu season, or you are suspended.
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  • Semi-related question (sorry it's not as funny as all the other posts here).... aren't teachers required to have a flu shot???
    At my school we are required unless we have an exemption. I'm exempt due to my allergy, but I'll be getting the new version that does not contain the egg protein once it's available it our area.
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  • Shima42 said:

    There is no injectable flu vaccine that doesn't have thimerosol, the
    organic mercury compound that is used as a preservative (there are other
    childhood vaccinations that have only trace amounts of it).  No single strain
    of influenza has been determined vitally necessary to the recommended
    childrens' vaccination schedule; therefore, not getting the flu vaccine
    does NOT increase the likelihood of an epidemic - influenza diseases are
    considered relatively benign and surmountable by the average immune
    system.  There have been scientific, double-blind, peer-reviewed studies
    of what causes chronic fatigue syndrome, multiple sclerosis, autism,
    schizophrenia, and many other diseases - but current medical science
    still does not know the cause of those diseases.  Medical science DOES
    know that mercury is bad for you.  I'm gonna go ahead and err on the side of common sense: if someone who's not an expert tells me that a poison is okay to eat, I'm just going to skip the poison anyway.

    Late to the party so my apologies if this has been addressed....

    If you're avoiding small amounts of poison you might want to edit your next grocery list.
    http://io9.com/5810568/ten-foods-in-your-kitchen-that-contain-gruesome-poisons

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    There is no injectable flu vaccine that doesn't have thimerosol, the organic mercury compound that is used as a preservative (there are other childhood vaccinations that have only trace amounts of it).  No single strain of influenza has been determined vitally necessary to the recommended childrens' vaccination schedule; therefore, not getting the flu vaccine does NOT increase the likelihood of an epidemic - influenza diseases are considered relatively benign and surmountable by the average immune system.  There have been scientific, double-blind, peer-reviewed studies of what causes chronic fatigue syndrome, multiple sclerosis, autism, schizophrenia, and many other diseases - but current medical science still does not know the cause of those diseases.  Medical science DOES know that mercury is bad for you.  I'm gonna go ahead and err on the side of common sense: if someone who's not an expert tells me that a poison is okay to eat, I'm just going to skip the poison anyway.
    Late to the party so my apologies if this has been addressed.... If you're avoiding small amounts of poison you might want to edit your next grocery list. http://io9.com/5810568/ten-foods-in-your-kitchen-that-contain-gruesome-poisons
    You may care to read my earlier response to another poster who said much the same thing.  In response to your link, please allow me to clear up some points comparing the toxicity of ordinary foods to that of mercury.  The toxin in the green part of the potato is deactivated with cooking.  The toxin in cashews is eventually washed out of your system and never builds up - unlike mercury, which is never eliminated from the body and only builds up over time, with each new ingestion.  The toxin in rhubarb is also eliminate from the body by the body's natural cleansing process, which is impossible with mercury.  Most people eat their egg whites cooked.  I like lima beans, though most people don't eat them much anymore.  Phytic acid can be eliminated from the body eventually, like all of the toxins mentioned here.  Even cyanide (while lethal in larger doses) will eventually be eliminated from a body which does not die of it.  However, most people don't need to worry about the cyanide in apricot pits, because no one eats the pit of the apricot!  The toxins in kidney beans, greens, and mushrooms, again, disappear with cooking or are eliminated from the body over time.  Ricin, like cyanide, does not kill in smaller doses, and will be eliminated from the body if it does not kill - and very little of it ends up in candy.  It is fallacious to compare the toxins that are found in food and can be dealt with by the body to the unknown long-term consequences of ingesting a poison which stays in the body.  Furthermore, I invite you to consider that medical science has yet to prove what causes many different diseases.  We have not yet cured cancer.  Our understanding of the human body is terribly limited.  When most vaccines are available without mercury, and the causes of so many diseases are unknown, it is only common sense to limit your exposure to a poison that you can never cleanse from your body.

    Philosophically, it is wise not to attempt to blame another person for taking action which they deem to be necessary to their survival.  Those who wish not to take vaccinations which contain mercury should not be condemned for protecting themselves, even if you think they are wrong.  It must always be the right of the individual to take action to protect themselves.  Since a person gets a vaccine before they become infected, they are harming no one by abstaining.  If they should choose, after contracting a disease, to make themselves public, they may be assumed to be neglecting their responsibility to not harm others.  While the risk of becoming infected, or the risk of serious harm from such infection, remains low, it should be socially acceptable for an individual to choose to minimize any risk that they perceive may exist from vaccination.  When the risk of causing harm to another from personal infection becomes greater than the possibility of harm to oneself from gradual poisoning, it is still not acceptable to ask the individual to sacrifice their health for that of the greater populace.  Only by volunteering should a person give their own well-being.  Should an epidemic occur, those who wish to abstain from vaccination may be quarantined against their will, but the sanctity of their body should not be violated.  Anything else is barbaric.  Therefore, the social persecution of those who wish to abstain is pointless.  Its only function is cruelty.

  • I say survival of the fittest. Darwin's theory will continue to work on vaccine conspiracy theorists. My gf is one of them and this year she visited the ER 3 times with her 3 year old and newborn after contracting the flu (not even h1n1). I'm just waiting for her to get pneumonia one day and be taught her lesson. You can't convince certain people of factual scientific evidence because their fear factor overrides logical reasoning. It's the reason people like Bush Jr was so successful at manipulating the public. When fear takes over logic gets overridden.
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  • I say survival of the fittest. Darwin's theory will continue to work on vaccine conspiracy theorists. My gf is one of them and this year she visited the ER 3 times with her 3 year old and newborn after contracting the flu (not even h1n1). I'm just waiting for her to get pneumonia one day and be taught her lesson. You can't convince certain people of factual scientific evidence because their fear factor overrides logical reasoning. It's the reason people like Bush Jr was so successful at manipulating the public. When fear takes over logic gets overridden.

    I also have an anti vax friend. She has two kids of her own and a foster kid. When she is not complaining that she is forced to vaccinate her foster kid with poison and posting anti-vax bs she is posting about her youngest (15months) being sick ans hospitalized. I want to shake her!!
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  • Not to beat the dead horse that is this thread, but I thought of you all when I saw today's story on NPR: http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/01/25/265750719/how-vaccine-fears-fueled-the-resurgence-of-preventable-diseases

    I doubt this is a convincing argument to someone with fear about vaccines and doubts about their relationship to long term health issues like cancer; but it is an interesting way to see how the choices of a few can have a much larger impact.
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    Shima42 said:

    There is no injectable flu vaccine that doesn't have thimerosol, the
    organic mercury compound that is used as a preservative (there are other
    childhood vaccinations that have only trace amounts of it).  No single strain
    of influenza has been determined vitally necessary to the recommended
    childrens' vaccination schedule; therefore, not getting the flu vaccine
    does NOT increase the likelihood of an epidemic - influenza diseases are
    considered relatively benign and surmountable by the average immune
    system.  There have been scientific, double-blind, peer-reviewed studies
    of what causes chronic fatigue syndrome, multiple sclerosis, autism,
    schizophrenia, and many other diseases - but current medical science
    still does not know the cause of those diseases.  Medical science DOES
    know that mercury is bad for you.  I'm gonna go ahead and err on the side of common sense: if someone who's not an expert tells me that a poison is okay to eat, I'm just going to skip the poison anyway.

    Late to the party so my apologies if this has been addressed....

    If you're avoiding small amounts of poison you might want to edit your next grocery list.
    http://io9.com/5810568/ten-foods-in-your-kitchen-that-contain-gruesome-poisons


    You may care to read my earlier response to another poster who said much the same thing.  In response to your link, please allow me to clear up some points comparing the toxicity of ordinary foods to that of mercury.  The toxin in the green part of the potato is deactivated with cooking.  The toxin in cashews is eventually washed out of your system and never builds up - unlike mercury, which is never eliminated from the body and only builds up over time, with each new ingestion.  The toxin in rhubarb is also eliminate from the body by the body's natural cleansing process, which is impossible with mercury.  Most people eat their egg whites cooked.  I like lima beans, though most people don't eat them much anymore.  Phytic acid can be eliminated from the body eventually, like all of the toxins mentioned here.  Even cyanide (while lethal in larger doses) will eventually be eliminated from a body which does not die of it.  However, most people don't need to worry about the cyanide in apricot pits, because no one eats the pit of the apricot!  The toxins in kidney beans, greens, and mushrooms, again, disappear with cooking or are eliminated from the body over time.  Ricin, like cyanide, does not kill in smaller doses, and will be eliminated from the body if it does not kill - and very little of it ends up in candy.  It is fallacious to compare the toxins that are found in food and can be dealt with by the body to the unknown long-term consequences of ingesting a poison which stays in the body.  Furthermore, I invite you to consider that medical science has yet to prove what causes many different diseases.  We have not yet cured cancer.  Our understanding of the human body is terribly limited.  When most vaccines are available without mercury, and the causes of so many diseases are unknown, it is only common sense to limit your exposure to a poison that you can never cleanse from your body.

    Philosophically, it is wise not to attempt to blame another person for taking action which they deem to be necessary to their survival.  Those who wish not to take vaccinations which contain mercury should not be condemned for protecting themselves, even if you think they are wrong.  It must always be the right of the individual to take action to protect themselves.  Since a person gets a vaccine before they become infected, they are harming no one by abstaining.  If they should choose, after contracting a disease, to make themselves public, they may be assumed to be neglecting their responsibility to not harm others.  While the risk of becoming infected, or the risk of serious harm from such infection, remains low, it should be socially acceptable for an individual to choose to minimize any risk that they perceive may exist from vaccination.  When the risk of causing harm to another from personal infection becomes greater than the possibility of harm to oneself from gradual poisoning, it is still not acceptable to ask the individual to sacrifice their health for that of the greater populace.  Only by volunteering should a person give their own well-being.  Should an epidemic occur, those who wish to abstain from vaccination may be quarantined against their will, but the sanctity of their body should not be violated.  Anything else is barbaric.  Therefore, the social persecution of those who wish to abstain is pointless.  Its only function is cruelty.


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  • I say survival of the fittest. Darwin's theory will continue to work on vaccine conspiracy theorists. My gf is one of them and this year she visited the ER 3 times with her 3 year old and newborn after contracting the flu (not even h1n1). I'm just waiting for her to get pneumonia one day and be taught her lesson. You can't convince certain people of factual scientific evidence because their fear factor overrides logical reasoning. It's the reason people like Bush Jr was so successful at manipulating the public. When fear takes over logic gets overridden.
    I also have an anti vax friend. She has two kids of her own and a foster kid. When she is not complaining that she is forced to vaccinate her foster kid with poison and posting anti-vax bs she is posting about her youngest (15months) being sick ans hospitalized. I want to shake her!!
    What bugs me is that most anti vaxers are probably vaccinated themselves from childhood. So they don't have to worry about getting these deadly diseases that are seeing a comeback. Instead they take it out on their kids who have no say in the matter and end up paying the price for their parents decision.
    I will bet that too. 

    And then there are those on the other side, like this one: http://www.voicesforvaccines.org/growing-up-unvaccinated/


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  • I feel the same way... I am in my first trimester and decided back in September when we started trying that I wasn't going to get the flu shot.  I work in the human services field as a social worker, around many people, including children, every day.  This happens to be my own personal belief as well.  I have always gotten the flu shot in the past, but I'm not willing to inject something into my body that could potentially harm my unborn child.  I understand there are many clinical studies to prove that it is safe, however it's not 100%, which to me isn't good enough.  I also believe in hand washing, vitamin taking and an overall healthy lifestyle.  I applaud your decision to do what you believe is best for your children and yourself, and don't let others make you feel any differently!
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  • AshleyC05 said: I feel the same way... I am in my first trimester and decided back in September when we started trying that I wasn't going to get the flu shot.  I work in the human services field as a social worker, around many people, including children, every day.  This happens to be my own personal belief as well.  I have always gotten the flu shot in the past, but I'm not willing to inject something into my body that could potentially harm my unborn child.  I understand there are many clinical studies to prove that it is safe, however it's not 100%, which to me isn't good enough.  I also believe in hand washing, vitamin taking and an overall healthy lifestyle.  I applaud your decision to do what you believe is best for your children and yourself, and don't let others make you feel any differently!
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  • Just a little FYI to the OP, I'm heading to the hospital now to see if what I have is the flu. It's really bad right now, my friend just got back her results from the ER and she had the h1n1 and she is just a few weeks behind me in pregnancy. God forbid something were to happen to her or her baby.

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  • Meery82 said:


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    Jenny McCarthy is a moron. It's hard to believe anyone would've ever taken her seriously.

    Did you know that she is now a spokesperson for e cigs?


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  • AshleyC05 said:

    I feel the same way... I am in my first trimester and decided back in September when we started trying that I wasn't going to get the flu shot.  I work in the human services field as a social worker, around many people, including children, every day.  This happens to be my own personal belief as well.  I have always gotten the flu shot in the past, but I'm not willing to inject something into my body that could potentially harm my unborn child.  I understand there are many clinical studies to prove that it is safe, however it's not 100%, which to me isn't good enough.  I also believe in hand washing, vitamin taking and an overall healthy lifestyle.  I applaud your decision to do what you believe is best for your children and yourself, and don't let others make you feel any differently!

    Please tell me.. why would your obgyn tell you to get the flu shot if they knew I would harm your baby? I was just on hold today with wic and the automated service specifically said "if you haven't gotten the flu shot yet it is highly encouraged. ESPECIALLY if you're pregnant". You are harming your child more by not getting it.

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  • vcl2008 said:

    Jenny McCarthy is a moron. It's hard to believe anyone would've ever taken her seriously.
    Did you know that she is now a spokesperson for e cigs?

    Ha, yes, I do remember seeing that now. Pathetic.
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  • I late coming in, and haven't read all 5 pages.
    For what it's worth, my SIL is a Ob/Gyn, and Christmas Eve she almost lost a patient with the flu. They had to take the baby at 29 weeks to save the mom. She didn't have the flu shot. My SIL told me that 1 in 10 pregnant ladies will get the flu. It is harder for a pregnant woman's body to heal itself from the flu.

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  • Can someone post a refresher on what pregnant women should look for in a flu shot? Like no mercury? No preservatives?

    I know there were some helpful references on page 1 or 2.... but no one needs to rehash the ugly in this thread.
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  • Can someone post a refresher on what pregnant women should look for in a flu shot? Like no mercury? No preservatives?

    I know there were some helpful references on page 1 or 2.... but no one needs to rehash the ugly in this thread.

    Just the regular shot.

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  • Can someone post a refresher on what pregnant women should look for in a flu shot? Like no mercury? No preservatives?

    I know there were some helpful references on page 1 or 2.... but no one needs to rehash the ugly in this thread.

    Dead virus only, no live virus.

    And this thread was actually pretty tame I've seen MUCH worse on this very topic.  Education people.  Education rocks.


     

     

     

     

  • I'll be honest - I'm a teacher and haven't gotten one in 7 years … HOWEVER my RE did say the likelihood of miscarrying after getting the flu is VERY high. Plus your immune system tends to weaken once you are pregnant. 

    Two people I knew got the flu - so I sucked it up and went against my usual judgement and got the preservative free shot. I feel better that I did because I just read about a pregnant woman getting H1N1 while 20 weeks pregnant and the baby miscarried due to the high fever the mother had. 
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  • haliebabyx3haliebabyx3 member
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    I believe that not getting the flu shot for you or your unborn child is selfish. I would rather me or my child have a mild case of the flu even if we got the shot than be in the hospital for weeks at a time fighting it. My H who claims he got sick every year that he would get it through work and he began to refuse it, got it this year because he understands the importance to me.


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    It's 6 pages later and I'm still a little thrown off by the random multiple "hahas" in there when it's such  an inflammatory post.


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  • tkford216 said:

    Wow, people are getting really mean about this.

    Since most of the discussion is attacking you, I just thought I'd chime in and say that I don't believe in the flu shot either. This is not to say that I don't believe in vaccines at all. I think there are many helpful ones out there. However, the flu did not become an epidemic until everything became anti-bacterial and a vaccine was born for just about everything. I believe in building our immune systems the natural way. And I've seen enough people get horribly sick from the vaccine to ever think of getting it myself.

    Don't bother trying to explain to me how the flu vaccine is great. It won't change my mind.

    Congrats. You are an idiot.


    Pretty much sums up what I was thinking.
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