IF Testing & Treatment w/o 5.31

acleverusername · May 2021

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This is a place for those of us who have already started TTC, but have started infertility testing and/or treatments. You can express your thoughts, feelings, and frustrations on infertility. TTC can be a long journey naturally, then add in the difficulties associated with infertility, and it becomes a whole new ball game. The road to infertility can be lonely, frustrating, and complicated, so let's make this a place where we can vent, ask questions, and support one another. Feel free to resurrect this thread at any point in the week if you have something to say. Treat this as an ongoing conversation.

Diagnosis (if you've been):

Status (WTO/TWW/TTA):

What are you doing this cycle? (Testing? Treatment?):

How are things going?:

Any questions?:

GTKY: What's your secret talent (i.e. that not many people know about you?) If you care to share, that is. I realize that it won't be secret if you do.

optimistgardener · June 2021

Diagnosis (if you've been): old, DOR, 1 ovary, etc.

Status (WTO/TWW/TTA): WFAF? It's dumb but i'm not a huge fan of the term Aunt Flo. But waiting for menses seems kind of formal and all, and waiting to bleed seems... bloody? so. whatevs. It should be like any second now because I'm 16dpo and at the outer reaches of my usual luteal pattern, and my temp dropped this morning which normally means it should have turned up like, this morning, and also I'M READY TO GET ON WITH THINGS ALREADY

What are you doing this cycle? (Testing? Treatment?): Uuhhh, depending on the convo I have with the nursing coordinator I will either start birth control or wait for my next luteal phase to start either lupron or a luteal-start stim cycle. So, basically treatment, but: 🤷‍♀️. Also I suppose there is a possibility that I'll get my ultrasound check-in and they'll find my cyst still lurking, in which case the conversation will take a different turn.

How are things going?: looking forward to a little clarity on the treatment stuff, but also extremely caught up in preparing for teaching a bunch of courses in the fall that I presently know nothing at all about. I would say at least I'm a fast reader but it turns out I have forgotten all my high-speed grad student reading skills.

Any questions?: not really. I may have questions in a couple of days.

GTKY: What's your secret talent (i.e. that not many people know about you?) If you care to share, that is. I realize that it won't be secret if you do.

I have been an on-again off-again martial artist since I was 7, and hold a 2nd deg. black belt in one style and am 1 rank below black belt in another. I am presently not practicing because pushing myself to the brink of cardiac capacity for long stretches and the ever-present threat of getting kicked in the gut seems like a bad mix for ttc. I say not many people know this about me because it's not a thing I talk about much in academic circles, which were for a long time my only social circles.

laura-kay · June 2021

Just lost a long post...

Too tired to answer questions above coherently at this point...just saw the question from @acleverusername

I wish I had been gone due to good news, but no luck. Been crazy busy with a deployment for a 3 year long project! It sure keeps me busy!

One frustration: I was just at a family gathering and one person there (who I don’t seen regularly) said “so I am I right that your are expecting?” Ouch on many levels.

TW children

I just became a godmother for my friend’s beautiful little girl. My friend also went through her own IF journey, so I am very very happy for her and I love her little one! I still sometimes struggle though.

optimistgardener · June 2021

@laura-kay uuuuuugggghh i hate that so much. what an insensitive and thoughtless question. the thing that (for me) is the worst about that kind of question is that I then feel I am somehow letting them down. I'm glad though that you've been busy with work! Me too. It's so helpful to have something to focus on.

And congrats on becoming a godmother! But I feel you on the struggle.

Way back when I was just leaving grad school, so like 2 years ago now, and just a few months after I'd started ttc, one of my friends/colleagues saw that I wasn't drinking at an event (it was a 2ww) and after piecing together a couple of other "clues" a rumor spread around the department that I was pregnant. Finally a group of giggling and excited members of the dept confronted me, like "soooo....what are you not telling us!?!! we're so excited for you!!" of course I'd just gotten my bfn that month and I had to be like, nope, and their faces all fell. they had thought they were such good sleuths. i ruined their giggly fantasy about a department baby, and they all felt crappy for making me feel crappy, but i already felt crappy enough on my own before they put a point on it for me. crap sandwich deluxe.

edit: putting my revolution in a spoiler because i belatedly realized it might need one:

I did start a revolution though, lol. After I started talking to a couple other women in the dept about my struggles, there have been four births and one woman is freezing her eggs (and in my historical memory of the dept [10 yrs], none of the female grad students before then had started families).

kiwi2628 · June 2021

Diagnosis (if you've been): unexplained

Status (WTO/TWW/TTA): WF FET

What are you doing this cycle? (Testing? Treatment?): nada

How are things going?: well!

Any questions?:

paging @BusinessWife and anyone else who had done a natural FET, I asked my nurse this but she was vague- how do they monitor/ how often during a natural FET? EOD bloodwork? Ultrasound? Bloodwork just on day 10? What’s the process?

GTKY: What's your secret talent (i.e. that not many people know about you?) If you care to share, that is. I realize that it won't be secret if you do. Ummmm- my RBF is pretty impressive

[Deleted User] · June 2021

@kiwi2628 I think they somewhat play by ear. So you get CD3 baselines, and then CD10 BW+US. Then they will either have you come back the next day, or a couple days later, depending on how things are coming along. You would have BW+US each of those days in order to monitor how close you are getting to ovulation. They will start off by looks, but then they still have to wait for the labs to come back, because they want to wait for and ride your LH surge. Once they see you start to surge in the BW, then they will order the trigger for that evening. I could take my Ovidrel any time between 7-10PM. The following day you would start taking progesterone, and the fifth day after trigger would be Transfer Day! (Unless you did ERA or something that would alter your timing.)

So that might have been why she was a bit vague. I know my cycles seemed to come up pretty quickly on us, but like the first time, not even as quickly as they thought. So they kept saying to me, we'll most likely trigger tonight, day after day lol. But if things are a little slower to get started, i.e. depending on your usual O-day, they may say okay cool, come back in two days in the beginning, and then you'd start going daily as you get closer to ready. It does kind of depend.

zwink1 · June 2021

Diagnosis (if you've been): MFI (OAT)

Status (WTO/TWW/TTA): WFAF. I'm with you @optimistgardener, I hate the term Aunt Flo, but I also haven't really come up with anything else that I like better for conversational purposes so I roll with it for now, lol. Just over here on CD 39 twiddling my thumbs. For the most part, my irregular cycles are manageable, but someday it would be really nice if AF would not precede a late arrival with 10+ days of PMS symptoms. Every day is a continuing guessing game of "is my period showing up today or am I just uncomfortable and being a bitch because that's today's moods?"

What are you doing this cycle? (Testing? Treatment?): Waiting for our initial consult with the new RE later this summer. I also started taking prenatals because why the F not - and I've already missed like 4 doses, so clearly I need the practice.

How are things going?: Things are going fine here.

GTKY: What's your secret talent (i.e. that not many people know about you?) If you care to share, that is. I realize that it won't be secret if you do.
I don't know that I necessarily have a secret talent. I'll have to think on that one.

bows22 · June 2021

Lurking while benched

@optimistgardener @zwink1 I’m with you guys on Aunt Flo, when I type AF I read it just as the letters and don’t even relate it to the term Aunt Flo. I also refer to AF as “it” instead of “she/her” and somehow all of that helps me get past it in my head. I have probably thought too much about this😂

Lisa3379 · June 2021

*lurking*

@kiwi2628 Here was my process with natural FET: I had a baseline ultrasound on CD 2, then an ultrasound on CD 8 and bloodwork. Then another ultrasound and bloodwork 3 days later, then just bloodwork for the next two days. My trigger was on CD 13, and then I started progesterone suppositories 3x/day on CD 14. On CD 18 I had another ultrasound and bloodwork, then I had another vaginal medication the night before transfer day, which was on CD 19.

optimistgardener · June 2021

@bows22 AF is definitely an "it," not a "she." My grandmother used to call it "The Curse," which I totally recognize the patriarchal bs that comes with the nickname but she was such an old school Bostonian stiff-upper-lip atheist, and she said it with such energy and feeling, that I kinda still love it. Doesn't mesh well with the Earth Goddess hippie stuff I grew up around, though.

keikilove · June 2021

@optimistgardener @bows22 @zwink1 Add me to the list of people hating the term “Aunt Flo”. I still use the “AF” abbreviation here for ease but won’t ever say it out loud, haha. And I refuse to call it “she/her”. Don’t even get my feminist self started on the biblical history of “the curse”.🤮 Although @optimistgardener I agree with your grandmother: the term “the curse” is so apropos to how it feels—especially when debilitated with brutal cramps. And I can so relate to your mention of your Earth Goddess hippie upbringing! Growing up, the ladies around me were celebrating their daughters’ first periods by holding coming-of-age ceremonies and writing poems about the sacred moment and holding special dinners where they told the whole family about the momentous occasion. I was like FFFFFF****** that! So I just never told my mom when my period started so I could avoid all that hippie b.s.😆

@laura-kay Ugh, so sorry you were faced with that horrible comment! Those moments are the worst.

@kiwi2628 LOL @ “RBF”. Ah yes, many were the days of being asked “Are you ok? What’s wrong? Are you mad? Did I do something to offend you?” Nope, that’s just my natural facial expression... I’m also interested in trying a natural FET next time. Please keep sharing if you find out anything else of interest along the way to your transfer date.

@zwink1 Ugh, I hope you don’t have to wait too much longer for your cycle to start. That 10 days of PMS sounds brutal!

Diagnosis (if you've been): RPL, RIF, DQ Alpha match, elevated Natural Killer cell activity, blood-clotting mutations, AMA, DOR

Status (WTO/TWW/TTA): WFAF. Betas yesterday were negative after FRERs were playing games.

What are you doing this cycle? (Testing? Treatment?): Getting ready to do another round of DuoStim IVF. So just waiting for the next cycle to start so I can go to the doc and discuss a new protocol and get the meds. She had me start estrogen priming on CD18 of this cycle so we will see if that delays AF at all... Also, it’s causing crazy skin breakouts so that’s no fun... Also, we got back MH’s most recent sperm analysis. As usual, his motility is excellent but morphology is even worse than before.

Stats in spoiler:

When we started all this IVF stuff 2 years ago his count was 48 million! And the swimmers had a 68% motility rate. But the morphology was only 7%, which I now realize is why they told us to do ICSI.

So, this time his count was way down to 8 million for the SA, motility was awesome at 76%, but only 3% of all sperm were normal shaped. I’ve been having some anxiety that whatever damage MH did by taking those testosterone pills back in January really f-ed up his sperm to the point that we may have permanently missed our window to make any healthy embryos. I also read that after men take testosterone or other steroids that it can take a full year for their sperm to recover. 😫 And now MH is on antibiotics for a mystery infection, and will be getting exposed to some radiation via an MRI or CAT scan coming up to research the mystery infection, all of which may further damage his sperm. This has all had me so stressed that I couldn’t even check in here last week. It felt too overwhelming to even try to gather my thoughts or type them out. So I’m glad I finally buckled down today and got this all out here.

How are things going?: Not great. I’m super stressed & swamped with work stuff for the next couple of weeks. So I’m a bit concerned about how starting stims and doing a retrieval is going to play into my hectic work schedule. I’m also having a lot of mental anguish about this likely being our last attempt at all this and the odds not being in my favor etc. Trying, as always, to replace the negative thoughts with positive, but the reality is that financially and age-wise, we just may be at the end of the road with all this.

Any questions?: NATM

GTKY: What's your secret talent? It’s not secret to those who know me well, but my acquaintances and co-workers are not aware that I can sing. I’m also good at drawing & painting, but rarely flex those muscles. I also have an uncanny knack for picking up most sports, like a killer arm for throwing fast baseballs & footballs, etc.

optimistgardener · June 2021

@keikilove quick drive-through here to send hugs on the frustrating stuff about yh's sperm analysis. that's a total bummer and i'm sure makes everything way more stressful in that it's something he made a choice about and now it's inevitably A Point of Conversation. I hope you will get some more reassuring news soon.

keikilove · June 2021

@optimistgardener Thank you so much.💗💗

acleverusername · June 2021

*lurky lurk lurk while I'm benchy bench benched*

@keikilove gah, I'm so sorry that you're having to deal with ALL OF THAT all at once. That is tough; especially the feelings of finality of treatments. Do you think that even with ICSI, YHs sperm might be an issue? When do you expect to start your stims? Are you going to MX for it again? Maybe we can be cycle buddies! (Will depend on when I'm off the bench of course.) Also, my oh my, you're a talented lady!

@laura-kay That was such a rude / inappropriate thing to say. Did you have a good comeback for this person? Or were you too stunned to say anything? (I always think that I'm the person who can deliver a cutting remark on the spot, but that rarely happens IRL)

@kiwi2628 LOL @ RFB 🤣

kiwi2628 · June 2021

Ok so I think I made a decision based on the responses here so thanks guys!

the cycle I wanted to do my FET I am on vacation from CD 10-CD14 so with monitoring that’s clearly not gonna happen. We were trying to decide between a transfer in mid July vs end of August and I *think* we are gonna do mid July transfer. So next month I think we are gonna be up!

kiki047 · June 2021

*lurking*

@keikilove Oh friend, what a way to go into what may be your last official treatment cycle. I'm so very sorry for all the stress, and for the less than stellar SA results for YH. I hope that no matter the outcome, you can go into this knowing that you did literally everything humanly possible to make your rainbow a reality. Sending you loving, uplifting, positive thoughts as you move forward.

optimistgardener · June 2021

little update at my end: i had my CD3 ultrasound and (🎉🎈🧁) the Cystine Chapel has dissipated. So we're all good to go for a late June/July cycle. I had a long convo with the "other" RE at the clinic, who i've seen a few times. She listened to my concerns about getting another cyst while on pre-cycle birth control/and about getting my over-eager follicle development under control for the IVF start. We discussed a lupron start, and she felt that either a nuvaring start or a lupron start would both be equally good options, and said if I felt strongly one way or the other that they would work with my preference. I wound up saying that I really didn't have a strong opinion, so she said she would take it to the "main" RE at the clinic and let me know. Anyway, his opinion is that the nuvaring is a better option for me because he's worried that lupron will oversuppress my ovary, and that between the risk of oversuppression vs. cyst, the former is a bigger worry. So I guess that's my answer! I am pretty sure I read somewhere on the internet that some REs actually think a lupron start is a better protocol for DOR women because it does a better job of inhibiting LH production, but I decided my hazy memory of a thing I read on the internet is probably not as reliable as what my doctor is telling me. I could worry around a lot more about whether it is the "right" option or not, but for my mental health I think I'm going to just try to trust that they are the experts and hope for the best.

ultrasound was otherwise mostly uneventful.

my AFC was 6, with 3 of them already pretty far along. one was at 11mm, which she said was what they would classify as a borderline cyst given that i'm only cd3, but she claims the nuvaring will help get rid of it. (why it is that birth control sometimes causes cysts and at other times is supposed to get rid of cysts is a mystery that I do not fully grasp.) the other two big ones were about 8.5mm and 6ish. I have to wonder if the relative maturity of my follicles so early has to do with the hormonal wonkiness of my last cycle? Or is this my body just beginning to slide ever faster into perimenopause? Or are both true?

oh, and @acleverusername, I asked about aygestin, and she says they use it sometimes at the clinic but she wouldn't recommend it in my case because she wouldn't trust it to put the brakes on my ovary effectively.

acleverusername · June 2021

Thanks for the update @optimistgardener! I’m so happy you have a game plan in place! Maybe we’ll be cycle buddies for my 2nd cycle!

bumblebee0210 · June 2021

Hey all-- sorry I've been a bit MIA but it has been nice taking some time off constant thinking about IVF...

@optimistgardener. Yay for no cyst! It's annoying to have to wait, but you really do want everything to go right with ER with DOR, so it's worth trying to get all of the ducks in a row. Hopefully this is it!

@acleverusername I don't really think of you as "benched", since IVF nearly always involves some waiting, which is just to say-- you don't need to caveat hanging out here!

@keikilove. Ugh-- sorry man. That is super frustrating to be dealing with all of the DOR/RPL issues and then add MF issues on top of it. Hopefully ICSI can help? Can they do the zymot dish, etc? IVF tends to be pretty good at solving MFI issues (unlike DOR issues!) so maybe it won't be such a hurdle? I also feel you on the mental anguish-- like, it feels both ridiculous to hope and terrible not to hope... I don't know. We are here for asll of the complicated feelings.

@kiwi2628. So excting!

@zwink1. Welcome (back)! Always good to have vets around...

@laura-kay. That is the *worst*.

AFM: Starting my priming cycle and actually having to track ovulation again (what? what is that?). Having some complicated feelings about trying naturally this cycle. I think if I didn't have to track (for starting estrace), I would have been able to just actually forget about ovulating, but since I know.... I don't know part of me is like "don't waste any at-bats" (and I know that often fertility is higher post-ER) but part of me is *really* afraid of mc, or of getting pregnant and having it be our last. I keep being like "but what if I get pregnant with twins!" which sends me down a whole other rabbit hole...

*tw*

I miscarried spontaneously-conceived twins at 11 weeks last fall

I probably will at least half-heartedly try. I can't not. And I am really sick of IVF.

ETA: random rant in spoiler

I have also been *super* sensitive lately about everyone else's pregnancies/babies. I was watching girls 5eva (which is hilarious, btw), and the woman on the show has one kid and is 40 and is on the fence about trying for another, and she is like "I know I'm 40 I don't have that much time to wait" and I'm just like I'm THIRTY FOUR. And I know young DOR is not that typical but it's also not that rare, and I just hate the cultural narrative that everyone can get pregnant in their late thirties and early forties. I think it's such a disservice to people who put off having kids and then find out it's too late.

acleverusername · June 2021

@bumblebee0210 I totally hear you on not wasting any cycles; I struggled with "no sex" mandate this cycle, but ultimately was too tired to DTD anyway. And considering that you've already done 3 ER cycles, I definitely understand how you must be sick and tired of IVF. Ultimately, taking estrogen isn't harmful to a pregnancy. It's when you get to Clomid that you'll want to be sure you're not KU'ed. Anywho, all that I can do is send you support and positive energy. When do you expect to O/start estrace? And YES, 100% agreed with you re: total misrepresentation about how easy/hard it is to get pregnant, regardless of your age. We just do such a SHIT job at educating everyone about it. I think at one point I read an article in The Guardian that UK was going to start paying for these tests for women in their 20's (they have a public health system). I don't know if that ever happened; I can't find anything about it now.

In my case, I suppose I actually posted too early this week, and turns out that I won't be benched as long as I'd thought based on yesterday's convo with my care coordinator. So, here's my update!

Diagnosis (if you've been): sperm-driven fertilization issues (thought to be genetic) and a dash of AMA

Status (WTO/TWW/TTA): WFAF

What are you doing this cycle? (Testing? Treatment?): Aygestin priming

How are things going?: Good! Earlier this week, when I posted in the Benched/TTA thread, I was possibly looking at several weeks-to-months of priming as my doctor was hinting that we might want to do PGT-M regardless of whether or not my results are positive. Anywho, yesterday we had yet another call with our care coordinator, and we decided that my Aygestin priming will only be 5 days (I will take the last pill on Sunday) and then I'll wait for my period / do baseline next week / start meds thereafter. We are essentially taking a risk by not having my results back before starting my stims. If my results are positive (the biased background risk is 10%), we'll have to fertilize and freeze 2-day embryos while we create a PGT-M probe. There is risk of greater attrition with freezeing-thawing-refreezing, but I don't want to postpone my ER and want to do 2 of them before I go on vacation at the end of July. So, we've chosen to assume this risk.

Any questions?: Not that I can think of.

GTKY: What's your secret talent (i.e. that not many people know about you?) If you care to share, that is. I realize that it won't be secret if you do. I'm pretty good at writing limericks, and usually try and write a limerick as a congratulatory message (i.e. birthday wish). When I was doing the online dating thing, I one wrote out my profile in a 5-stanza limerick format. That was fun. The responses were also fun.

zwink1 · June 2021

@keikilove, ugh, I'm sorry for bad SA results. It's so hard not to get too bogged down in the potential damage H may have unwittingly caused, and it feels like it should be so much easier to fix than it is. I am jumping in way behind on your journey, I know, so it's totally possible that you're already trying this, but we added in coq10 and vit e and I absolutely can't say that correlation = causation here, but it was the only time we ever saw a positive shift (H went from 3 mil to around 13 mil - though if I remember correctly he didn't get a bump on the morph or motility end, so that's not super helpful). I'm sorry if I missed it somewhere in previous posts here, do you plan on doing ICSI for your next ER?

@optimistgardener, so happy to hear that there are no lingering cysts! Sounds like your RE has a solid plan, and if you trust your MD then I think you have to rely on that trust and try not to over-google yourself (I know that's easier said than done though).

Thanks @bumblebee0210, that sensitivity is completely normal. I agree with you, while everyone should absolutely move on their own timeline, I think it's important to have as much knowledge surrounding your choice as is possible, and I feel like today's culture isn't geared toward giving women that background info. It's a bunch of up front 'empowerment,' which is good, don't get me wrong, but the underlying facts and potential consequences that could result from certain choices aren't fully fleshed out. The idea of empowerment without as much info as possible feels sort of flimsy.

optimistgardener · June 2021

Sort of a belated reply to @bumblebee0210 but I have totally been in the same boat re: wanting to not "waste" any ovulation, not matter how small the chances. If you're able to take a shot at it without letting it stress you out too much I'd say go for it, esp. if, as @acleverusername points out, you are able to steer clear of the clomid until you can get a reliable test afterwards. Also I am with you on the frustration about society's bizarro imaginary world where women all get pregnant just fine until we're 35 or 40 and then suddenly, hmm, we may have to start thinking about the clock.

Looking back on my own experience:

I was so proud of myself for my plan to start trying to get KU on my own if I didn't find a partner by 35. In devising my plan and the date at which it kicked into gear, I relied entirely on that oft-quoted age marker after which one should get serious about things because of declining fertility. But because of my unusual circumstance of having only the one ovary, I've literally been asking every doctor I met since I was in my early 20s to weigh in on whether I might have anything to worry about. I wish just one of them had said, "I'm a general practitioner, so I don't know for sure, but maybe we should refer you out to a specialist," or "let's do some baseline tests and see what they say" instead of just repeating the standard line about how my one ovary would probably be just fine and they guessed that the standard guideline of age 35 was equally as relevant for me as everyone else. It was super frustrating but also weirdly reaffirming when my current RE, after he'd reviewed my history and I'd told him about all those conversations I'd had with past docs, was like "of course having only one ovary makes a difference. You've reduced your total supply of potential follicles by half, and you don't have any redundancy in your system if anything goes wrong."

@acleverusername super interesting that the UK was maybe thinking about running standard baselines for women in their 20s. I feel confident I would have benefited from something like that.

keikilove · June 2021

I wanted to come back here and reply to others before the week gets away from me, like usual. I just want to say that I feel really sucky when I can’t get back to these more personal threads and give back as much as I get— I’m really trying to do better during this crazy work time. Also, reading your responses to each other/to me throughout this thread the past couple of months has me feeling like

Y’all are the best.❤️❤️❤️

@acleverusername Woohoo, I’m so glad to hear that you aren’t benched for as long as you expected to be! It makes sense with your risk being so low with the genes issue. FX that when your results do come back you’re in the clear and can move forward with a lightened conscience.🤞🏽💗 I totally hear you about trying to get those 2 ERs done before vacation in July. Same schedule here! We just may be cycle buddies! // You and others asked me a good question about ICSI. We will definitely do it, although I wish we had the option to do 50/50 ICSI & IVF. (I’d love to see if more natural fertilization would make any difference in fertilization since ***TW*** We used to get PG easily on our own before my body launched this attack response ***End TW***.) Right now I’m still having doubts about ICSI solving our problems because we did it before and the embryos still didn’t make it overall. I hope the sperm aren’t damaged at a DNA level, which ICSI can’t fix, of course. My clinic has PICSI which I will ask for this time. And they have something else really new that isn’t Zymot but I can’t remember that name ATM. I am headed to my baseline appt tomorrow. Will put it in the new weekly thread.

@kiwi2628 Congrats on making a decision about your transfer date. So exciting!!! It looks like this board may have a lot to look forward to/hold our breath over this summer.

@kiki047 Thank you so much, my friend. You know what it’s like to put everything into it and just hope one day it’s enough.💗 We are definitely discussing final steps so we leave nothing on the table when this phase of our lives is over. I hope you are doing ok today. Always thinking of you and hoping that your day is coming soon.💕

@optimistgardener Congratulations on destructing the Cystine Chapel—what a feat!😁 I laughed when I read that part of your update. I’m so happy that you get to move forward with your cycle! It sounds good at this point to rest in the peace of knowing that your doctor has a reason for why the nuvaring option is best for you. I hope this allows you to just focus on the exciting work stuff now. Hope it keeps you busy during this waiting time!

@bumblebee0210 Hey there! I was wondering how you were doing. Thank you for your thoughts/questions on my sitch. I feel you 💯 percent on that summary of hope. All we can do is give it our best, right? Anyway, so glad to hear that you’re getting started with your estrogen priming cycle. FX that this gives you the results you’re hoping for! And yes, totally relate to you too about not “wasting any at-bats” at the same time of worrying about all those what-ifs. I’m so sorry about your loss, that sounds absolutely devastating. I will be thinking of you and sending positive thoughts this round.💗// Oh! And YESSSS to your thoughts about the current cultural narrative around getting KU later in life. I, for one, hate that our society tells women it’s all downhill after 30 and that after 35 your fertility falls off a cliff. That’s all such BS. But at the same time, there should be waaay more commonly shared info out there about the possibility of having DOR or other potential problems in your 20s and 30s, etc. I was blindsided to learn what really happens as you get closer to 40 and thereafter. All of that should really be advertised much more honestly. We need to stop acting like it’s so easy for a woman to just decide at 40 that it’s suddenly time to start her family and it’s just going to magically happen, especially now that we have ART. The entire cultural narrative needs to shift towards way more honesty & reality. *End rant*

@zwink1 Thanks so much for your kind words and helpful advice. MH finally got on the bandwagon with all the supplements after we learned that he’d done serious damage with his accidentally poor choices. However, I saw your question about the Vit E and asked him, and it turns out he has not been dipping into my bottle in the cabinet. So I ran out and bought him his own to keep in his cache of TTC ammo—thank you very much!😉

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