I’m a fan of the Halo bassinet and the dock a tot in the bed. I’d bring my son into bed from the bassinet after his 4am feeding and he’d sleep in the dock a tot for a few hours, it worked out very well until we transferred him into his room around 9 months.
The Hatch sound machine/nightlight is a game changer. We only got it recently, but I would have loved it when he was younger too.
I’m looking for new swaddles for this time around, I wasn’t a fan of the Halo ones we had as hand me downs with my son. Has anyone tried the Happy Baby or Ollie swaddles?
The only sleep thing I can for sure recommend is some sort of sound machine/night light. We have a SkipHop one and up until a couple months ago my 3.5 yo still used it. He just upgraded to a different one.
He was an awful sleeper in the beginning and hated every single thing we tried. I only survived because we ended up cosleeping.
I'm planning on getting a Moses basket with a non-rocking stand. They are so adorable so that's what I'm splurging on. I have used a cradle for all of my kids at night and I plan to use that at night with this baby. It is only good for about 3 months before they start rolling. Then I usually switch to the PNP.
I prefer the velcro swaddles because they can't break free from them. I also have a Kickee pants swaddling blanket that I love and it is super stretchy. So it stays put when they are a newborn. It is super soft too so another plus.
I have found that all my babies have liked being swaddled differently. One with arms up, another with arms down, one with her hands free so she could suck her fingers/thumb. So I have a variety of different swaddling blankets that I have used with each baby. You sorta have to see what works for them and what they like.
The dock a tot, or any baby sleep contraption can’t be recommended in the US as safe sleep because nothing bed sharing related is considered safe here. The only surface recommended is a flat, firm mattress in a crib or bassinet that is free of any extras (bumpers, lovies, blankets). Anything labeled napper, lounger, positioner, etc. is only approved for supervised sleep. However, I think it’s safe to say that’s common knowledge, and everyone can use their own judgement when making decisions about their own sleep situations.
For me, bed sharing was a necessity for half the night. I know that gets a lot of side eye, but at the end of the day many people do it and if we’re being candid here, I think it should be a place to talk about experiences and what has worked and hasn’t worked with baby sleep. If it’s not for you, that’s fine, but know that it works for some families. If you do go that route, absolutely do thorough research on creating a safe sleep space. Don’t just randomly bring baby into bed one night out of desperation. In my opinion and experience, the dock a tot makes for safer bed sharing since it keeps baby in position and prevents rolling into anything. The manufacturer is based out of Europe, where they are allowed to advocate co-sleeping/bed sharing and created it for that reason.
@emeraldcity1214 also obsessed with the Moses baskets. I think I want one for downstairs. We have a bassinet on the stroller, but it’s not the prettiest, seems narrow, and this time around I’m getting whatever I want after doing a lot of hand me downs for my son. I’ve been eyeing the Design Dua and Plum and Sparrow ones. My friend just got a mini one for her daughter’s dolls and made me want one even more!
@rogro118 I mentioned the dock a tot not being a safe sleep space because FTM may not know that. They may also not know some of the things that we consider common sense. I am very aware of what my baby is sleeping in and on in the newborn stage. They don't have the mobility to move themselves out of a dangerous position.
I have coslept with all of my kids. Earlier with DS2 than any of my other mainly because he needed to be close to me because of his health issues. So I'm not opposed to cosleeping. For me personally, I usually wait until they are a few months old before doing that. I make sure there are no blankets above my waist and that the baby is away from all blankets and pillows. We have a king bed so there is plenty of room for the baby to have his own spot in the bed.
Also, I feel that the hand made dock a tots that are made from that stuffing you put in pillows are not safe at all. It seriously looks like a newborn death trap. So if I were to buy one, I would get the brand name one and not try to make one myself.
@rogro118 even with the moses baskets they have them full of all this fluffy bedding. I'm literally getting one that has no bedding up the sides and has an all natural mattress to prevent the baby from breathing in unhealthy chemicals.
**this is coming from a mom who was asked in the hospital if I had lost a baby to SIDS because I kept telling the nurse she wasn't swaddling my baby right. The swaddle kept coming up over his face and it blew my mind that she thought that was ok. 😳😳
I think we should share about what works but I also think it is important to share that some things come with a risk.
I think it's good to offer both personal experience and safety concerns when it comes to sleep solutions. You can never be too careful or too informed.
My son refused to sleep anywhere but on my chest for the first 5 weeks. We literally tried everything we were comfortable with (swing, bouncer, bassinet, in-bed cosleeper, ect). Nothing worked. Finally one night I tried rolling him off my chest onto the mattress next to me and for whatever reason it worked. I never wanted to cosleep, but I was desperate for sleep at that point. We have a king bed and my H and I have used separate blankets even before Z came along. So it wasnt hard to keep him in a place free of blankets or anything that could potentially smother him. Something about him being able to feel my body heat was comforting and it was the only way he wouldnt wake up as soon as I put him down. I was so nervous about cosleeping that I slept very light and was always aware of where he was even in my sleep. We ended up cosleeping for about 7 months and then transitioned him to his crib.
I dont plan to cosleep with this baby, unless shes like her brother and refuses to let me lay her down. But after doing it with Z, I would feel comfortable making the decision to do it again if it came to it.
@emeraldcity1214 I agree! It wasn’t directed at you, sorry if it came across that way, just more of a general psa-I’m sure you’re a pro by now! The homemade ones look awful, I don’t understand that. If you’re going to invest in anything, do it legitimately.
That swaddle sounds terrible and the flannel hospital blankets are not conducive to good swaddling, I’ll be bringing one from home this time for sure! I had one of the nurses tell me to sleep with him on me the second night since “it’s always the worst night.” I questioned her to make sure I heard her right, and didn’t follow her advice. I ended up telling my mother in law the next day (she was in charge of nurse education in l&d and maternity at the time), she was not too pleased. A bit scary if she was giving that advice to all newly sleep deprived moms to do in a hospital bed nonetheless! It was my fourth night in the hospital and there was no way I would have been awake enough to even lay there with him safely.
@rogro118 yeah, some of the things nurses have told me to do have been side eye worthy for sure. Just because they are L&D nurses doesn't mean everything they say should be followed.
I tend to have high anxiety PP and it usually surrounds my kid's safety. Last time I should probably been medicated but I managed to get through it without anything. I literally couldn't walk past my banister upstairs because it looked down to the first floor and I was so scared I was going to trip and fall and she would go over the rails. I also freaked out anytime ny kids touched the banisters. 🙈 It was almost to the point I wouldn't take the baby upstairs.
*TW I fear that after my recent loss my anxiety will be ever more difficult to handle. I may need to seek some help for PPA if it does because I don't think I could manage anything more than last time.
@emeraldcity1214 I feel you on the anxiety piece. I thought it was normal last time, and it really didn’t set in until 6 or 8 weeks pp for me, but in hindsight it was definitely not. I fear I’ll be in the same boat for the same reason, but it is definitely good to be aware of it this time around. It’s so not worth living with a constant flow of anxious thoughts.
Random, related to banisters, I hate them. My friends just put horizontal ladder-like ones in their house, going up the stairs and for a 15 ft span on a landing looking down to the first floor. I already have anxiety for when they have babies and they aren’t even pregnant yet! The first thing my son did was start to climb them.
We had a terrible (TERRIBLE) sleeper and we tried lots to get her to rest so we could stay sane. To be honest, I spent a lot of time in the recliner with her on my chest WARNING: This is not a safe sleeping position. I had to choose very carefully how to proceed and I was always checking in with myself if I was safe to sleep with her like that. One time I did fall asleep while nursing and panicked when I woke up and she was under my boob. I literally thought I had suffocated her with my breast. She was fine and I wasnt out as long as it felt (we had a camera in the room so I checked to see how it all went down)
Swaddling, LOUD white noise (like louder than you think it should be), and a routine were and still are our best bets. We travel with the white noise machines and have them on our phones. If she is getting sleepy in the car she asks us to turn on her sleep sounds. Once she transitioned to her crib (about 4 months or so) we bought black out curtains for her room (took this kid forever to learn night versus day). We have a HATCH machine now that she is older and it is starting to help her stay in bed. We plan to sleep with this new one in the PNP bassinet by our bed for the first 4-6 months then transition to their own room with a pull out couch if I need to sleep with it. We do bedsharing but only if it is me and the baby (with our dog sharing the bed even a king sized bed felt too crowded for a small infant). I also sleep super lightly especially next to a baby, so even though it isnt restful sleep, it beats pacing the halls and crying.
Sorry if this is alarming to any new moms. I seriously wish someone had prepared me better for a poor sleeper. I had a good friend/colleague who is experiencing the same thing and even though hers is a year and a half now, she looks fried nonstop because she hasnt slept in forever. Dont be afraid to take turns with a partner if you have one and ask a friend or family member to come sit on your couch and watch the baby so you can get an hour long nap. It truly can be life saving.
The baby sleep site was also pretty helpful with tips depending on their age and sleep regressions.
@rogro118 My boys have been climbers and they would be at the top straddling it saying, "look mommy!" Then I would promptly faint! 😬 Then the banisters would be removed and it would just be a wall. 😂 So not pretty but safer!
@purplefan1 I have found that I tend to cope better with the sleep deprivation when I have no expectation of getting much sleep at all. Most of the time, if someone could wake up with the other kids for me to sleep in the morning when the baby finally fell asleep and stayed asleep, I would be good all day. I usually have someone stay with me, other than my husband, to help with the other kids. DH doesn't get a paternity leave so I have to do most of it myself unless I ask someone to some stay for a week.
Those of you going from 1 to 2 babies, be prepared, the transition is very difficult until you get through the newborn fog. Once you develop your routines and get the hang of juggling 2, you won't even be able to think of what life was like before you had 2 because it all just works somehow.
Another 👎 on dock a tots in bed. There are organizations that are pro bed sharing that put out safe sleep guidelines and dock a tots don’t meet any of them. It’s not just bias against bed sharing, they’re just not safe for overnight sleep in a bed. It’s a huge misconception that dock a tots and loungers are safer than just being on a mattress- researcher shows a flat, firm sleep surface and the same one mom is on is the safest way to bedshare.
I have have an arms reach cosleeper. It was not great the first few weeks after my csection, but once I was recovering I loved it. Still keeping my eye out for a good deal on a used Halo though.
@emeraldcity1214 that makes me nervous for the 1-2 transition!! He’s starting preschool two days a week for the mornings, so I at least have some time with just the baby, and I’m really hoping his 2/3 hour afternoon naps will stick around at least until the new year too, but everyone keeps telling me that’s I’m being too optimistic.
@Kurtni the Halo is a game changer. My sister had the arms reach too and loved that it was portable, but disliked how low it was compared to her bed. Love that the Halo can swing over my bed a few inches and that the side pushes down easily.
@rogro118 Don't be scared. Just prepare yourself mentally. When I was sleep deprived with DS2, I was not mentally prepared and I think that has a huge impact on ability to cope. The next time around, my baby was an easy going good sleeper. There were still nights I only got 2 or 3 hours of broken sleep but I coped better the day after because I just realized where I needed to be mentally with it. I hope that makes sense.
@emeraldcity1214 good to know! I keep telling myself the sleep can’t be worse with this one than it was with my son. He was an awful sleeper and would cry for two hours every evening but really only ever slept two/three hours max at a time. He finally slept through the night around ten months and I felt like a whole new person! Fingers crossed we get a happy sleeper this time around!!
In terms of sleep I recommend a white noise machine and the portable fisher-price bassinet. The white noise machine my youngest still uses (almost 2) and the bassinet was great for the first 3-4 months in our room.
I will chime in with the other co-sleepers. Once the dreaded rolling stage started I switched to co-sleeping until 6-9 months when I was ready to do Cry-it-out in the crib. I'll echo all the other moms, if you co-sleep, know yourself. We had the King sized bed. Limited pillows/blankets and I would not do it if I had any medicine or alcohol on a given night.
@perfectoops I have the Chicco Lullago basinet and loved it with DD. We didn't move DD to her room until she was about 5 to 6 months old. I loved that it had two height settings so when she got older we could lower the mattress down a setting. If you want to save some $$, go with the basic lullago. We hardly ever used the canopy/hanging toys that came with it.
eta: I just realized that I have an older version. The height isn't adjustable on the newer models.
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We're going to use the Halo swivel sleeper again for the newborn phase. When baby outgrows that, our current plan is to switch to the pack n play, still in our room. I much preferred having DS out of our room and into his crib, but it looks like logistically this baby will be in our room for much longer, maybe until she's almost a year, and then at that point we can figure out if DS is moving rooms or we are moving rooms or DS and DD will share.
@perfectoops I have seen them and they are adorable but I personally wouldn't feel comfortable using them. Even mesh bumpers aren't recommended. Although, I do feel comfortable using those and I do when my babies move to their crib around 9 or 12 months. My kids get their legs stuck between the rails all the time and I'm always fearful they will break a leg.
@emeraldcity1214 I had crib bumpers with both my kids before for the same reason you mention - getting legs stuck in between rails. Maybe I'll look into the braided bumper for when they're a bit older.
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The Hatch sound machine/nightlight is a game changer. We only got it recently, but I would have loved it when he was younger too.
I’m looking for new swaddles for this time around, I wasn’t a fan of the Halo ones we had as hand me downs with my son. Has anyone tried the Happy Baby or Ollie swaddles?
He was an awful sleeper in the beginning and hated every single thing we tried. I only survived because we ended up cosleeping.
I prefer the velcro swaddles because they can't break free from them. I also have a Kickee pants swaddling blanket that I love and it is super stretchy. So it stays put when they are a newborn. It is super soft too so another plus.
I have found that all my babies have liked being swaddled differently. One with arms up, another with arms down, one with her hands free so she could suck her fingers/thumb. So I have a variety of different swaddling blankets that I have used with each baby. You sorta have to see what works for them and what they like.
For me, bed sharing was a necessity for half the night. I know that gets a lot of side eye, but at the end of the day many people do it and if we’re being candid here, I think it should be a place to talk about experiences and what has worked and hasn’t worked with baby sleep. If it’s not for you, that’s fine, but know that it works for some families. If you do go that route, absolutely do thorough research on creating a safe sleep space. Don’t just randomly bring baby into bed one night out of desperation. In my opinion and experience, the dock a tot makes for safer bed sharing since it keeps baby in position and prevents rolling into anything. The manufacturer is based out of Europe, where they are allowed to advocate co-sleeping/bed sharing and created it for that reason.
I have coslept with all of my kids. Earlier with DS2 than any of my other mainly because he needed to be close to me because of his health issues. So I'm not opposed to cosleeping. For me personally, I usually wait until they are a few months old before doing that. I make sure there are no blankets above my waist and that the baby is away from all blankets and pillows. We have a king bed so there is plenty of room for the baby to have his own spot in the bed.
Also, I feel that the hand made dock a tots that are made from that stuffing you put in pillows are not safe at all. It seriously looks like a newborn death trap. So if I were to buy one, I would get the brand name one and not try to make one myself.
@rogro118 even with the moses baskets they have them full of all this fluffy bedding. I'm literally getting one that has no bedding up the sides and has an all natural mattress to prevent the baby from breathing in unhealthy chemicals.
**this is coming from a mom who was asked in the hospital if I had lost a baby to SIDS because I kept telling the nurse she wasn't swaddling my baby right. The swaddle kept coming up over his face and it blew my mind that she thought that was ok. 😳😳
I think we should share about what works but I also think it is important to share that some things come with a risk.
My son refused to sleep anywhere but on my chest for the first 5 weeks. We literally tried everything we were comfortable with (swing, bouncer, bassinet, in-bed cosleeper, ect). Nothing worked. Finally one night I tried rolling him off my chest onto the mattress next to me and for whatever reason it worked. I never wanted to cosleep, but I was desperate for sleep at that point. We have a king bed and my H and I have used separate blankets even before Z came along. So it wasnt hard to keep him in a place free of blankets or anything that could potentially smother him. Something about him being able to feel my body heat was comforting and it was the only way he wouldnt wake up as soon as I put him down. I was so nervous about cosleeping that I slept very light and was always aware of where he was even in my sleep. We ended up cosleeping for about 7 months and then transitioned him to his crib.
I dont plan to cosleep with this baby, unless shes like her brother and refuses to let me lay her down. But after doing it with Z, I would feel comfortable making the decision to do it again if it came to it.
That swaddle sounds terrible and the flannel hospital blankets are not conducive to good swaddling, I’ll be bringing one from home this time for sure! I had one of the nurses tell me to sleep with him on me the second night since “it’s always the worst night.” I questioned her to make sure I heard her right, and didn’t follow her advice. I ended up telling my mother in law the next day (she was in charge of nurse education in l&d and maternity at the time), she was not too pleased. A bit scary if she was giving that advice to all newly sleep deprived moms to do in a hospital bed nonetheless! It was my fourth night in the hospital and there was no way I would have been awake enough to even lay there with him safely.
I tend to have high anxiety PP and it usually surrounds my kid's safety. Last time I should probably been medicated but I managed to get through it without anything. I literally couldn't walk past my banister upstairs because it looked down to the first floor and I was so scared I was going to trip and fall and she would go over the rails. I also freaked out anytime ny kids touched the banisters. 🙈 It was almost to the point I wouldn't take the baby upstairs.
*TW I fear that after my recent loss my anxiety will be ever more difficult to handle. I may need to seek some help for PPA if it does because I don't think I could manage anything more than last time.
Random, related to banisters, I hate them. My friends just put horizontal ladder-like ones in their house, going up the stairs and for a 15 ft span on a landing looking down to the first floor. I already have anxiety for when they have babies and they aren’t even pregnant yet! The first thing my son did was start to climb them.
Swaddling, LOUD white noise (like louder than you think it should be), and a routine were and still are our best bets. We travel with the white noise machines and have them on our phones. If she is getting sleepy in the car she asks us to turn on her sleep sounds. Once she transitioned to her crib (about 4 months or so) we bought black out curtains for her room (took this kid forever to learn night versus day). We have a HATCH machine now that she is older and it is starting to help her stay in bed. We plan to sleep with this new one in the PNP bassinet by our bed for the first 4-6 months then transition to their own room with a pull out couch if I need to sleep with it. We do bedsharing but only if it is me and the baby (with our dog sharing the bed even a king sized bed felt too crowded for a small infant). I also sleep super lightly especially next to a baby, so even though it isnt restful sleep, it beats pacing the halls and crying.
Sorry if this is alarming to any new moms. I seriously wish someone had prepared me better for a poor sleeper. I had a good friend/colleague who is experiencing the same thing and even though hers is a year and a half now, she looks fried nonstop because she hasnt slept in forever. Dont be afraid to take turns with a partner if you have one and ask a friend or family member to come sit on your couch and watch the baby so you can get an hour long nap. It truly can be life saving.
The baby sleep site was also pretty helpful with tips depending on their age and sleep regressions.
@purplefan1 I have found that I tend to cope better with the sleep deprivation when I have no expectation of getting much sleep at all. Most of the time, if someone could wake up with the other kids for me to sleep in the morning when the baby finally fell asleep and stayed asleep, I would be good all day. I usually have someone stay with me, other than my husband, to help with the other kids. DH doesn't get a paternity leave so I have to do most of it myself unless I ask someone to some stay for a week.
Those of you going from 1 to 2 babies, be prepared, the transition is very difficult until you get through the newborn fog. Once you develop your routines and get the hang of juggling 2, you won't even be able to think of what life was like before you had 2 because it all just works somehow.
I have have an arms reach cosleeper. It was not great the first few weeks after my csection, but once I was recovering I loved it. Still keeping my eye out for a good deal on a used Halo though.
@Kurtni the Halo is a game changer. My sister had the arms reach too and loved that it was portable, but disliked how low it was compared to her bed. Love that the Halo can swing over my bed a few inches and that the side pushes down easily.
I will chime in with the other co-sleepers. Once the dreaded rolling stage started I switched to co-sleeping until 6-9 months when I was ready to do Cry-it-out in the crib. I'll echo all the other moms, if you co-sleep, know yourself. We had the King sized bed. Limited pillows/blankets and I would not do it if I had any medicine or alcohol on a given night.
eta: I just realized that I have an older version. The height isn't adjustable on the newer models.
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In addition to the white noise/whale sounds machine, we got this https://www.amazon.com/Baby-Shusher-Sleep-Miracle-Soother/dp/B00D2JN87I/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?keywords=baby+shher&qid=1560275870&s=gateway&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&smid=A2IF792618QMT5
It is literally a human voice saying Shhhh.. haha. DS really liked it though, I think it is recommended for 3mo-18 mo or something like that but honestly we still use it with DS, haha.