August 2019 Moms

Budgeting and Babies, April

edited April 2019 in August 2019 Moms
Babies cost money. But it can be a lot, or a lot less! What is your strategy for handling the changes a baby brings to your financial life? Personal finance is just that, personal! Every family approaches things in their own way and has their own means. Let's keep this thread positive and a safe space to discuss finances to support the new baby. 

This will be a monthly thread to talk babies & finance/budgeting. 

Special for April: Free for all! Bring up any money topic/question you'd like. Baby related, retirement related, articles you'd like to discuss. Or just, you know, any burning finance question that you have. Bring it!


Rainbow baby Dean is due 2/17/17!

Re: Budgeting and Babies, April

  • I'll get us started with oversharing how our finances are structured...

    CapitalOne joint checking - this gets my paycheck every month minus $2,000. Is used to autopay most bills.
    SECU joint checking - we can have this because as a grad student at a state university DH is technically a state employee. It earns about a half a percent a month. It gets DH's paycheck, plus $1,000 of mine. It is used to pay our car loan, and childcare costs.
    Discover joint saving account - This is amazing, I recommend it to everyone. It gets 2% a year. We put in $1,000 a month from my paycheck.
    3 investment accounts - (1) a 401(k) from my employer, I put in 3% a paycheck (2) an investment account that was started for me when I was very little with some money I inherited from a great-grandmother. (3) an investment account that was started for DH by his grandparents when he was born as a birth gift. These three accounts are our rainy day funds, and we never touch them. They are also the only assets that we did not combine when we got married.
    2 cars - one was a wedding gift from my parents, the other we bought almost 2 years ago, our loan is through SECU which means we got an amazing rate. We pay $500 a month on it, which is more than the minimum payment, but we really want to pay it off as soon as we can.
    1 mortgage - every time I complain that the interest payments are more than 50% of our monthly payment, DH reminds me that's how mortgages work.

    Also, DH and I finally did our 2018 year in review, and it turns out that the amount we put in saving for 2018, equals the amount that our childcare costs will increase, that so that makes me a little nervous... 
    My work is amazing, and gives us a raise every year in July. They say that it is performance based, but will at least cover the cost of inflation. So I know that there will be that little extra.
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  • @mrosek91 Just out of curiosity, what benefit do you get out of having 2 joint checking where you split the bill payments? Is it just for tracking the money more easily or ? 

    We operate out of 1 main joint checking, but use YNAB to track finances and it allows us to have categories so that even though our money is in one pile, it is broken up into jobs. 
    Rainbow baby Dean is due 2/17/17!
  • @WinchesterGirl We initially started with just the CapitalOne. When we were researching the best place to get a car loan we discovered we were eligible for SECU. It is a better account in that it gets interest, which is rare for a checking, but the Capital One is still more convenient for ATMs, they have ATMs everywhere, where as SECU has very few.
    Our plan is to eventually move it all to SECU, and close the CapitalOne account, once we do that we will take more advantage of the mobile deposit option, and be more careful about making sure we have enough cash for emergencies (there is an ATM right near DH's building on campus). But we are taking our time phasing it out because we spent money on checks, and we want to use them all up... We will probably give up on that as we write like 2-3 a month, and still have at least 2 books left...
  • Makes sense @mrosek91! We use our local CU and love them. We financed our car with them and got a very good rate. We do utilize CapOne 360 for their online savings though, because 2%! But I was reading that there are a few offering up to 2.45 right now, I'm just not willing to switch again. CapOne keeps raising their savings rate too, I can wait a few months to not bother with switching again. 
    Rainbow baby Dean is due 2/17/17!
  • I'll try to do this succinctly like @mrosek91! I love Money Diaries on Refinery29 for this reason - I love seeing how people approach savings (DD2's BMB has a lot of David Ramsey devotees which is a very different philosophy on retirement/debt, but I find very interesting!!). 

    Our main checking account is with our local bank. The majority of our paychecks go there.  

    Other accounts we have are: 
    - Another checking account with the local bank that we use strictly for reimbursements (both DH and I travel for work from time to time and until the money is routed out, it can be annoying)
    - A CapitalOne Savings account that houses our emergency fund (which, for the past 4 years that we've owned a home, is ALWAYS depleted by the end of the year, which drives me crazy.  This year we actually had emergencies - our water heater busted and flooded our basement and we had to replace it AND the furnace. But in other years it has been more of a "oops! we're over budget this month!" and I'd really like to break us of that habit/mindset)
    - An American Express Savings Account (2.1%!) that is our vacation fund.  DH and I are planning a second honeymoon for our 10 year anniversary in 2 years and we automatically put in $200 a month from our paychecks. 

    Savings wise we have: 
    - My 401k (currently 5% of salary) and DH's (8% of salary).  
    - 2 529s, soon to be 3.  We put $100/month each 529.  My dad often gives them a check for baptisms, birthdays, etc as well. Never look at a 529 calculator, though, because it will terrify you about the cost of college. 
    - My former 401ks rolled into a rollover IRA which is a more balance portfolio and an old 403b that I can't touch until I'm 55
    - A traditional IRA and a few CDs to help out IRA money that can't grow much anyway 

    Debt wise we have: 
    - A mortgage
    - DH's massive student loans (we are trying to pay off as fast as we humanly can, which eats into our take home pay pretty significantly) 
    - Car payments (I pay $650/month for mine, which is above the agreed terms because I am trying to pay it off ASAP and DH pays $250 for his because *FFC* my dad paid cash for it so we wouldn't have to have a loan and we are paying him back interest free and we are taking our SWEET TIME). 
    - I only have 2 credit cards and ideally I would only have one.  Ideally I always pay in full, I think I have only not a handful of times in my long credit history. 

    Other expenses: 
    - I carry our insurance for the family - for now my company's insurance is pretty good.  Talk to me after I've had my c-section though. 
    - We will be sending DD1 to a parochial school, so we have been "modern tithing" for the last 4 years.  The issue is that we will still be hit up for school fundraising but will still need to give to the church during this time, so I've been working on a giving budget for 2020. 
    - Childcare costs are about to get CRAZY up in here.  In 2020, we will pay $4,500 a month between daycare and aftercare and tuition.  Yes.  I'm going to be working for the rest of my life. 

    My "side hustles": 
    I've really started to try to get cash back or sell things more frequently.  It's not in my nature, but this year I've already consigned a lot of the girl's outgrown clothes to Bagsy, have made a lot with Ebates, and have been trying to utilize Ibotta.  My goal is to get $150 from these ventures this year, and steadily go up each year. 

    My spending weaknesses: 
    https://www.smockedauctions.com/
    https://www.hannaandersson.com/

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  • Love this thread on $ and finances. Thanks @peachy0709 for answering the question I was going to ask: How much per month are folks putting into 529s? I know our families will contribute on special occasions because we’ve all been doing so for my niece for years, but MH and I are trying to figure out what we need to do. 
  • Almost everything we have is joint. We have a lot of accounts because I use them as savings "buckets".  We only have one checking account. We have one main credit card, then a costco card and a target card.

    High Yield Savings/Money Market Accounts: 8 different accounts. Each one has a different purpose (travel, home repairs, emergency, etc.) Each kid has their own savings account and we contribute $10/mo to them. That money is for them when they get older - it wont be a ton but a "starting point". We also put in money that they get from gifts (unless we let them spend it (occasionally)).

    CDs: we use CDs a lot for longer term, but finite, expenses. I have a CD ladder going just for car payments (might as well get interest on it while we wait to pay the car off). Then just one off CDs when I want.

    Investments:
    Each kid gets a 529. We contribute a few thousand/kid/year right now and will up it once the house is paid off.
    retirement accounts - we each have one and contribute the max to it each year

    Stock accounts - DH inherited a little bit and we just left it there for now. Also have a small non-managed account for "fun" money, just to have some investing experience. We dont actively contribute to it right now.

    Debt:
    DH's minivan - we got a 5 year 0% loan for his car, and even though we have the money to pay it off, we keep the 0% loan since why not. we pay a little extra each month (so its a round number) but are not in a hurry to pay it off.
    Mortgage - we took a 15 year mortgage and will pay it off in 10 years. it was a stretch at first for the extra payments but will be worth it. The thing I hate the most is paying interest. 


    Nothing will really change with this kid except we will open a new 529 and a new savings account in their name. We had saved up all the money we needed for "baby stuff" including about a years worth of a diaper budget. Daycare will actually go down for the first year since this baby will be with my mom and DD1 will be in kindergarten. The money we save from having the kid with my mom will be put into another account to be used when this kid starts daycare - somewhere between 12 and 18 months I imagine, although my mom says 2 years.



    DD1 5/23/14, DD2 12/5/16   Baby #3 on the way!


  • One thing to budget for that I didnt realize until DD1 was a few months old: extra doctor co-pays and medicines. I add one sick call per kid per month in the budget and I do a happy dance if its not spent!
    DD1 5/23/14, DD2 12/5/16   Baby #3 on the way!


  • @sourlemon - Can I ask, since you max our your 401k, if you have plans eventually (since you're like us and aggressively paying down your house, etc so maybe not like RIGHT THIS VERY SECOND) contribute elsewhere for retirement?  DH currently maxes out his 401k and I wonder if he should be doing something else as well. 
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  • Also - I meant to ask - what do people do about life insurance?  We have wills, but no life insurance (besides the minimal plans offered by our employers). 
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  • @peachy0709 I know you didn’t ask me on this but most investors will recommend contributing to an IRA as soon as possible. You can max out at $5500 each (so $11000 per married couple) annually and like a 401k any gains are interest free. ANyone can do a traditional IRA pre tax like a 401k or if you qualify for a Roth IRA you can do post tax and then the money isn’t taxed when you take it out. You have to Be under a certain income to contribute to a Roth conventionally but anyone can do a backdoorRoth conversion as it’s usually better to tax your money now. It’s a little more complicated but not bad. 

    On life insurance we each each have a plan. Mine is fairly small and basically is enough for DH to take a year off and then hire a full time nanny and house keeper to do all the things I normally do (makes my life sound so glamorous huh?!). He’s the breadwinner so he has a better policy than I do. We also have a separate long term disability plan in case he couldn’t work anymore beyond what he gets from his employer. The younger you buy life insurance though the better your rate since you are likely more healthy and will have longer to contribute. 
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  • @heml we are intentionally on the low end and contribute $40/month/kid to 529s. We do not intend to fully fund ahead of time, but will offer additional support at the time of college as needed. 529 calculators are scary, and the amounts they recommend would not be affordable for us at this time. 

    @peachy0709 Does your DH have a Roth option? 
    Rainbow baby Dean is due 2/17/17!
  • @peachy0709 We both purchased extra through work, which is not really ideal because we could and likely will leave our jobs at some point. MH also has an extra policy through our insurance agent. My plan is to get both of us on a Nationwide or Pacific Life policy (they were ranked highest by NerdWallet) for 10x each of our salaries before the end of the year. Then, we’ll just do the base level work-provided policy. 
  • @olivemomma we make too much for a Roth and the figures dont work out for it to be a better deal for us. Obviously that is with a ton of speculation on future tax rates, but the advantage of a Roth may not be an advantage for us. It really is just a crap shoot on what taxes, social security, investing, EVERYTHING is going to look like when I am old enough to retire (2045 is a LONG WAY from now). So even though we could complicate things doing backdoor Roth, its not worth the hassle to us right now.

    @peachy0709 as far as other investing -- yeah, we will be doing that too. Right now the focus is on paying off the house and savings. I always debate when we have "enough" to go to a financial planner and get some additional stuff opened. Thats really why we started the fun money investment account (through Motif) -- to see if we could do it ourselves and if we'd even want to. More than likely we will go see someone at Edward Jones in the next few years.

    We each have life insurance through work. It's a good deal until age 35 then gets worse every year. I only intend to keep the life insurance at the level it is at until the house is paid off and we have about 100K saved for each kid in their 529s. Then I'll drop it to basic coverage which will be much cheaper by then. When I retire, there will be no life insurance. I see life insurance as a necessary thing while young, with young kids, and debt (mortgage). But I dont think my adult kids need to get rich off my death when I'm old. Since I dont qualify for life insurance in the commercial sector, I can only get what is available through work. Heart conditions suck! Especially ones with "sudden death" in the name.

    One thing we have been dragging our feet on is creating a trust. We both have a will, but we are at the point with overall net worth that we just need to do a trust so we can eliminate the probate issue and any other things that pop up. Trusts are expensive to do the first time, and time consuming, which is why we have been so slow to get moving on it. My goal is to have it done before this kid is born, but NLT than the end of this year.

    DD1 5/23/14, DD2 12/5/16   Baby #3 on the way!


  • Actually we don't make too much for the Roth in a normal year. The last 2 years were weird because how some of DHs inheritance counted as income and got dispersed in 2 separate years. I think we'd be limited this year so couldn't put in much. But it's still a crap shoot regarding taxes now vs later. I think it makes sense for many people though. 
    DD1 5/23/14, DD2 12/5/16   Baby #3 on the way!


  • I forgot to mention credit cards. We have 3, the one each of us came into the marriage with (it didn't seem to pay to close either one.) and the Costco one. We each typically use the one we came into the marriage with, but that's more from habit, than anything else, we will change it around depending on what 5% cash back each one is offering each quarter. We do try and use the Costco for gas, because that gives 4%. We also pay them off in full every month.
    @heml @peachy0709 As far as 529s and Life insurance, we don't do either of those yet. (I do get life insurance through work, but I have no idea what it pays out.) DH technically is working part-time, but he picked the job because it helps further his research area, and not because of any monetary considerations. So there isn't a ton of extra room in our budget. My FIL opened an account for both my boys, and puts money in regularly, but I don't know if that a 529 or a savings (I only know about it because he asked for their SS#). Once we're officially a two income household we will look into all those things.
  • @sourlemon that makes sense. I’m definitely not a pro with financial strategy. I’ve read a couple books and my husbands BF is a financial advisor so we get some advise there. Basically any savings with tax advantages (wether immediate or down the road) we try to take advantage of. That said we have a serious mortgage and school loans that we aren’t tackling as fast as we probably should because we invest else where, but are hoping to at least get the school loans paid off in the next 2-3 years.

    @heml we put in a decent amount each month into each kids 529 and plan to up the amount monthly when they hit 10 and then  15. Our goal is to have enough for each kid to cover out of state or private tuition should that be the route they choose and if there is extra they can apply it to grad school or simply pay the tax on it to use it for approved non education purposes post graduation such as a car or down payment on a home. We figure since all of the interest can grow and compound tax free for 18 years even if they do have to pay taxes on it down the road it’s a worth while savings account for them. 
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  • Thanks @olivemomma! We have student loans too (mine will hopefully be forgiven via PSLF if they don’t get rid of it in the next two years), so we struggle with putting extra $ on loans vs. ample savings vs. retirement. So many considerations! 
  • How do you even know what is a reasonable rate on term life insurance? We have both had job-based policies, and it's been on my list for years to get a standalone, "real" policy so it's not job dependent. This thread reminded me of that, so I reached out to a broker we have 2 homes insured through, so they sent me some quotes. 
    For 20 year policies, it was $440 and $580 for me and him respectively. Which, I mean, I guess that's ok? They give us good rates on homeowner policies. 

    I am thinking I need to ask for 25 year term, just because if we decide on another LO down the road I'd like them to be over 18 before the policy expires. 
    Rainbow baby Dean is due 2/17/17!
  • @WinchesterGirl are those yearly rates? If so I’d say that’s fairly good assuming it’s a decent sized policy with no restrictions and you’ve both had your blood work done. I don’t need think they will lock in the rates until you do that and they verify you are healthy.
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  • Yes, that's annually & a good size/no restrictions. We haven't had bloodwork, she did not mention that yet! Thanks for the info.
    Rainbow baby Dean is due 2/17/17!
  • @WinchesterGirl - a few companies will let you at least get a sense of your monthly rates with online calculators, but rates can change per what @olivemomma said.  Those rates seem competitive, from what I've seen! 
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  • Yea I would ask about the blood work, I can’t imagine they would lock you in without it for obvious reasons. You also may want to hold off on yours until after pregnancy or at least until you pass your GD screening. You don’t want some funky pregnancy related thing to raise your rates. They advised I wait when we were researching it with DD. DH went ahead and did his and I just just arranged it a few months later. 
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  • peachy0709peachy0709 member
    edited April 2019
    @olivemomma - YES! Great advice. 
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