@Laumb11@knottieamusements I exclusively use local raw honey and refuse to use pasteurized. My allergies aren't going to fix themselves!
From my understanding, the risk of raw honey is botulism, which is why do don't give honey to young children. Their immune systems can't handle it. Ours however, can process it just fine, and since it doesn't cross the placenta, there's no risk to baby. I asked my OB and he said it was fine to eat raw honey. I also eat "raw" coconut yogurt and "raw" apple cider vinegar (the stuff with the mother) and he said that was fine. It's not the same as the cheeses or meats.
I just booked a pre natal massage at the exact time we take DS to gymnatics on a Saturday morning (it's parent and tot and I really don't enjoy when it's my turn to be the parent, sorry not sorry.) Guess DH will have to go alone that day! OH darn.
@Laumb11@knottieamusements I exclusively use local raw honey and refuse to use pasteurized. My allergies aren't going to fix themselves!
From my understanding, the risk of raw honey is botulism, which is why do don't give honey to young children. Their immune systems can't handle it. Ours however, can process it just fine, and since it doesn't cross the placenta, there's no risk to baby. I asked my OB and he said it was fine to eat raw honey. I also eat "raw" coconut yogurt and "raw" apple cider vinegar (the stuff with the mother) and he said that was fine. It's not the same as the cheeses or meats.
Important distinction- it’s botulism spores, which are fine for us to eat, but not for babies. Botulism toxins are still harmful for everybody. If I remember correctly, it’s about stomach acid acidity - under a year it isn’t acidic enough to kill the spores, which can then create the toxin in the digestive tract. Over a year it’s acidic enough to kill the spores, eliminating the risk of the toxin being produced in the digestive tract.
@jemmerjams traditional pasteurization does not kill the spores. You can kill them with specific amount of heat for either a great length or time and/or increasing pressure along with heat, but no, traditional pasteurization does not kill them
@jemmerjams What @kiwi2628 said. That why when you can certain foods, like tomatoes, you’re supposed to use a pressure canner. The heat of a water bath canner doesn’t get high enough to kill spores. Pressure allows temps to get above boiling (I don’t remember exact temps to kill spores, but it’s hotter than boiling). Botulism toxins have zero smell or taste, so you wouldn’t be able to tell by looking at them if they are contaminated. It’s why people in my grandparents’ generation wouldn’t buy dented canned goods, threw away rusted cans and were especially leary about bloated cans (this one still applies-don’t even open it, just throw it away). Air getting into the cans allows spores to produce the toxins. Modern canning techniques has eliminated most of the risk because they can get temps high enough to kill the spores now.
Sometimes we play daycare roulette and give our son motrin and send him to daycare so we can get half a days work done. Then they call at lunch because he has a fever and we pretend that its news to us. But seriously, every illness he has gotten is from that stupid daycare.....
@Laumb11@knottieamusements I exclusively use local raw honey and refuse to use pasteurized. My allergies aren't going to fix themselves!
From my understanding, the risk of raw honey is botulism, which is why do don't give honey to young children. Their immune systems can't handle it. Ours however, can process it just fine, and since it doesn't cross the placenta, there's no risk to baby. I asked my OB and he said it was fine to eat raw honey. I also eat "raw" coconut yogurt and "raw" apple cider vinegar (the stuff with the mother) and he said that was fine. It's not the same as the cheeses or meats.
@j@jemmerjams to clarify, it’s not just raw honey that has a risk of botulism, but all honey even pasteurized. That’s why you aren’t supposed to give any honey, raw or not, to babies under 1. This is just another example of how everyone’s OBs will give different advice, because both my current and former OBs when I’ve asked them have said to stay away from raw honey, just to be safe. Makes me so sad because I love my local raw honey that I usually get!
@pumpkinpancake yep, that's probaby why my OB doesn't see a difference between raw and pasteurized...still gonna have the spores, just don't give it to babies! Bummer on the honey though! My OB said no to peppermint tea and yes to chamomile, but I've heard the opposite from a lot of people. I think there's a lot of gray area.
But clearly the problem food of 2018 is romaine (again) so why do they never say to stay away from romaine? And ice cream while they are at it...does anyone remember the Blue Bell drought a couple years ago because of listeria contamination??
@jemmerjams Oh god no. Please don't tell me to stop eating my orange sherbet ice cream I just got! I think I love that ice cream more than I love my H right now!
@jemmerjams I was told to stay away from ice cream last time - especially soft serve and anything that had eggs in it because the eggs aren’t cooked. Any hard ice cream that didn’t have eggs in it was ok. It wasn’t for listeria reasons, it was salmonella risk, but I was still told about it.
All mass produced ice creams have cooked and/or pasteurized eggs, and honestly most homemade ones to do, when you make the ice cream base custard you're cooking the eggs
@sliztee One (and probably the only) benefit of me failing to make dinner every night this week is we’ve gone out to places that have vegetables and I made sure the kids and I all ordered things with them in it. (Except for one night when I let them get cheese quesadillas - that was a vegetable free day for them.)
I made sure to take a stool softener daily, starting a week or so (and at least 1 cup of apple/pear etc juice and some fiber to help keep normal) before my due date. And then they hospital gave me one every day I was there. Also being as hydrated as humanly possible. Even with a ridiculous number of stitches, because of those things, it was uncomfortable but it wasn't a painful horror story like you hear stories of. Because I was terrified lol
I spent a LOT of time hiding in the bathroom at work today, definitely didn’t earn my check today. I got a call that one of my members Husband passed away unexpectedly last week, and it really hit me hard because we really bonded when I helped her. She is such a sweetheart and seems so lost. I’m going to send her flowers, I know it won’t make anything better, but I hope it puts a little smile on her face. Not only that, but I also had the worst heartburn after lunch so it made things rough.
@DunkinDecaf@jomama1618 Stool softeners did nothing for me with Z! I had painful, stitch popping poops. Literally, she had to restitch me. Then I went another 4 days without going so I had took milk of magnesia. I’d never used it before and I took the full dose instead of half. Had a very pleasant, comfortable poop.... but the next morning I literally shit myself while changing his diaper! Thank god I was wearing a pad. I still use it when I have issues these days and I’ll never take a full dose again!!
@krzyriver if I hadn't had been taking it for so long before, along with the juice and large doses of fiber daily, it wouldn't do anything either. I found that combo worked decently earlier during pregnancy. Alone they do nothing
I was given stool softeners in the hospital and managed to go just before they discharged me. I was nervous at home but I kept up on the colace and stayed hydrated, and while I was definitely uncomfortable, I wasn't in pain.
I took stool softeners every single time they were offered at the hospital and several times at home. My first postpartum bm happened at 3 days postpartum and it wasn't nearly as bad as I was expecting. It was like any other bm actually. So don't be TOO scared. Just be prepared.
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It was very tasty.
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Hmmm I never really thougtht about that, I have honey from a local farm..
From my understanding, the risk of raw honey is botulism, which is why do don't give honey to young children. Their immune systems can't handle it. Ours however, can process it just fine, and since it doesn't cross the placenta, there's no risk to baby. I asked my OB and he said it was fine to eat raw honey. I also eat "raw" coconut yogurt and "raw" apple cider vinegar (the stuff with the mother) and he said that was fine. It's not the same as the cheeses or meats.
eta: ^really should’ve gone in UO but I didn’t see that thread
We're monsters, who let us have children??
of how everyone’s OBs will give different advice, because both my current and former OBs when I’ve asked them have said to stay away from raw honey, just to be safe. Makes me so sad because I love my local raw honey that I usually get!
But clearly the problem food of 2018 is romaine (again) so why do they never say to stay away from romaine? And ice cream while they are at it...does anyone remember the Blue Bell drought a couple years ago because of listeria contamination??
But good thing my normal go-to ice cream is vegan, so no issue on dairy/eggs there!
Maybe next week.
TTC since 2016
Due: October 12, 2018
Location: Ontario, Canada
Dandelion - October 2018
Angel "Aurora" - July 2020
Angel "Sawyer" - May 2021
Angel "Maxine" - January 2022
Angel "Violet" - March 2022
Baby Dove due March 2023