June 2018 Moms

Mental Health Check-In (March)

Considering this journey is effecting not only us, but our s/o's, feel free to use this thread to discuss your s/o's mental health issues and get support for their struggles as well as your own.


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This is a safe place for more detailed support in mental health, struggles, and successes.
Whereas general stress and issues are often discussed in several dailies, this place is for a more focused discussion of the impact of mental health. Members are encouraged to use thoughtfulness and depth to examine feelings, barriers, and useful supports.

This post can be replied to at any time during the month. Not limited to those with a mental health diagnosis, but please be sensitive to others.

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Me: 30 | DH: 34 | DSS: 14 | DS: 4
PG #2, EDD 10/12/2023

Re: Mental Health Check-In (March)

  • Austenista  Austenista member
    edited March 2018
    I'm having a tough week. I don't know how well I will articulate. I've briefly discussed issues with my mother before.

    I went non-contact with her last pregnancy and via hormones gave in and let her back in postpartum. I do regret doing that. Ultimately, she's pushed and pushed and made me uncomfortable enough that I've dialed back significantly lately. Earlier this week she kind of forced my hand. I woke up one morning with calls, texts, voicemail, and fb messages galore. I turned off her ability to send me further messages on fb and she blocked me on fb. Okay then. I decided to stop beating around the bush and just blocked her on my phone and removed her husband from my friends' list. Less than 24 hours later she tried to friend me again and I blocked her again. She's just so much drama and so unpredictable.

    I could write you a novel explaining why and how we got to this point. But in case you're tempted to feel sorry for her, this person left when I was four years old and I've never lived with or depended on her. Our relationship consisted of very few interactions my entire life and for whatever reason now that I'm an adult she wants more. I don't. She wasn't a mother to me and I don't have daughterly feelings toward her. Sorry. Anyway, last time I attempted to remove her she upped the ante harassing me by showing up at my house and banging on the doors and windows, calling my father (her ex-husband of nearly 30 years) so much he took his landline off the hook, calling my elderly grandparents over and over and leaving messages, sending police to my house to check on me. Love bombing me with unwanted gifts, etc. She even attempted to force her way into the NICU when my son was there and the nurses had to call security. It's like I'm either a prisoner to the relationship or a prisoner to her antics if I don't put up with the relationship. Anticipating the drama she might pull has really been getting me down. 

    My anxiety is really bothering me and making me feel rotten, some of which is of the above and the other is just hormones. It was bad last pregnancy too and this time it's just expressing itself differently. It's leaving me feeling just so off. I was laying in bed earlier just dwelling on little things that bother me about everyone I know. Why? And the whole time I'm doing that my chest is just getting tighter and tighter. People's opinions, their arguing, their misunderstanding each other and me? It's making me so nervous and stressed out. I'm taking my buspar and it's helping some, but I think I'm going to talk to my OB about it some more when I see them face to face. It's really uncomfortable being this displeased with everyone. 

    The other thing is how emotional I am right now. Last weekend DH said something sharply to me and it ruined my entire Saturday. It didn't matter that he immediately apologized sincerely, I cried all day, wouldn't go run errands with him, and drew it out until we had a stupid argument at 12 am. I'm still upset about something that was misunderstood on my other BMB last Sunday. It know it's me, I know that I'm the problem but I'm just not capable of controlling it right now. I'm a hormonal, stress ball right now and it feels like I've been through the emotional wringer. Today I feel like everything awful has happened and here's the thing, literally nothing has. Today's been a quiet, uneventful day and I'm just a wreck for no reason. I'm hoping things get better soon because honestly I just need a break from myself. Thanks for reading my vent if you made it this far, friends. 
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  • @Austenista I’m sorry you’re feeling so shitty. That must be really hard with your mother. I don’t think you should feel bad about removing her from your life. You don’t have to be around crazy people just because they are related to you by blood. As far as the anxiety, given that you’re already doing all the right things taking your buspar, talking to your doctor, etc, what is your distraction game like? Sometimes we just need to redirect our energy and focus to something else. Exercise? Adult coloring books? Just something completely separate that feels/is somewhat productive and requires your focus for a bit. Not something like tv where your mind can more easily wander or you might feel bad that you’re “vegging” (not that you SHOULD feel bad if you’re using tv as a distraction, just that I know sometimes I irrationally feel bad about “wasting the day” watching tv). 
  • @Austenista I don’t know if this can apply to your exact situation or not but this is something that kind of helps me when I start to feel really upset with people. I try to remember that me being mad/upset/sad/angry/etc. really does nothing to them. Okay sure if you yell at the person or actually do something to them, that’s different. But if you’re just sitting there stewing that’s only affecting you. It’s not like the other person is a mind reader who knows that you’re thinking all these bad things about them. You’re really only doing it to yourself. I know, I know, that’s easier said than done. It doesn’t always work, I’m not some saint who just magically dissolves all my anger towards people. It’s just that sometimes I feel like I start obsessing over something that happened with someone and all it does is ruin MY day, not theirs. Sorry if this isn’t helpful I’m just trying to give you something positive to focus on! Sucks about your mom, I can’t stand when parents act completely immature and put their needs ahead of their kids’. Like you didn’t need her showing up at the NICU making the situation more stressful than I’m sure it already was. Stay strong, I hope you have more positive interactions with your other family members and can just put her out of your mind! I hope she leaves you alone! These pregnancy hormones are no joke. I feel like I overreact to everything now!
  • pupsicle23pupsicle23 member
    edited March 2018
    @Austenista I’m sorry you’re working through all of that. Have you ever tried journaling? When I was in a pretty bad place s couple of months ago, I found it to be really helpful. It was good to get it all out and then sort through what might be good things to bring up in conversation without just blowing up, vs what was just me angrily ranting or writing about what was a story in my head as opposed to fact. I recently ripped out the really intense pages and shredded them. It was very therapeutic and liberating. 

    ETA: not saying you make things up or angrily rant, that’s just what I was doing. Regardless, it felt good to get things on paper and out of my head.

    On another note, I also just read Rising Strong by Brene Brown and recommend it to anyone going through some kind of setback or feeling of failure.
  • izza2izza2 member
    @Austenista - Sending you love right now. Please don't feel bad about cutting your mother out of your life. You have to do what is necessary not only for your own sanity, but for your own health, and the health of your family. Toxic people will generally always be toxic.
    I've had to cut a lot of people out of my life (aunts, uncles & cousins mostly; but my MIL is also "half-cut"). I'm assuming you felt a lot better when she was not a part of your life before; focus on the fact that you felt better previously and don't let any obligatory guilt eat at you. :heart:

    Definitely talk with your OB (if you haven't already) about your anxiety. If colouring seems to be a good distraction technique for you, go for that if you realize you're starting to feel anxious or think about things that build your anxiety. Are there any other distraction techniques that have worked in the past (reading, listening to music, journaling, positive focus tasks, etc.)? This could be a good time to try and get back in to those habits/hobbies to help with your anxiety.

    As for your hormonal swings/reactions with YH/others -- I can completely relate, and all I can say is that if you can try to start a "positivity journal" to do when you're having one of those swings, it may help. (Unless writing of any kind doesn't work for you, in which case; ignore me!) If you notice you're in a horrible mood and end up lashing out, grab your journal (or just a piece of paper, even) and write down 3-5 things that are positive in your life, and if you can, be specific to your spouse or whomever else has you aggravated. It may be hard at first, but if you keep at it it'll end up easier. It'll help you get in to a more positive mindset and be able to see YH's perspective or even have a more calm conversation with him about what set you off not only so he can avoid it in the future, but so that he understands what's going on in your head.
    MH pisses me off on almost a daily basis, mostly over something stupid/small. I'm slowly starting to acknowledge that the anger I'm feeling isn't an appropriate level for the "wrong-doing" that occurred, and as a result I'm (sometimes) able to calm myself down and react more appropriately. It's a learning curve, and it'll be the same for you - but I'm confident you'll figure out a way to bring yourself back down from that reaction. :smile:


    That got really long, but in the end, even if you don't think any of this will work for you - know that we're here and happy to lend an ear for all of your frustrations. :smile: *hugs*

    Me: 30 | DH: 34 | DSS: 14 | DS: 4
    PG #2, EDD 10/12/2023

  • izza2izza2 member
    @doxiemoxie212 - How is your husband doing?

    @pupsicle23 - How are things with you and YH? How are you doing?

    @marcus7676 - How are you? Last month you were having issues related to sleep and couldn't fathom starting meds. Are you doing better?

    @MissKittyDanger - How's your claustrophobia been doing?

    @sabby2 - You've been on Zoloft for a week now; how is it going?



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    AFM:
    Several issues related to stress and stress management. My usual methods for stress management aren't cutting it right now and I'm going in to "shut down mode" slowly but surely. Trying not to, but it's starting. H is recognizing it as well. I re-started my Zoloft a week and a half ago, and I'm really hoping that'll help a bit at some point as well. I think I may start doing some light yoga exercises or meditation/relaxation at some point in the hopes that will help. We'll see.

    H was doing great with his drinking, and now the past few days he's started drinking more again. So, at this point, it's the same pattern as every other time we've talked about his habits. Last night I blew up because I came home to him tipsy, SS's homework not finished (he said he wasn't taught it - which usually means he didn't pay attention; and H tried to figure it out for 2 seconds and didn't get it immediately so he gave up, too), and being asked when we would watch our movie and eat dinner. No time to unwind from my day or even take my jacket off. So that was entirely a bad night, and we'll be right back to having a repeat discussion tonight when he gets home. I'm done dealing with him choosing alcohol as a coping mechanism like his mother has always done. She doesn't get a free pass for her choices, and neither does he.
    God forbid anything happened to my mother last night and I was too distraught to drive, I'd be riding with my father while H sat home with SS because he wasn't capable of driving. God forbid anything happened to me and I wasn't able to drive, he'd be calling my dad explaining that he's too irresponsible to drive me to the hospital. I'm done worrying about those kinds of things because of his choices.

    Other than that I'm "okay". Stressed about my last semester of school, passing that, my mother's health, preparing for baby, etc.

    Me: 30 | DH: 34 | DSS: 14 | DS: 4
    PG #2, EDD 10/12/2023

  • @izza2 I'm sorry you are stuck going over the same conversation again. That is so frustrating. We were at a point like that too, where at least twice a month, I felt like a recording, saying the same stuff over and over. It becomes maddening and made me feel so frustrated that I was the only one thinking about how I'd get to the hospital if something happened. At this point I feel like we are finally making progress and I have been trying to celebrate his small triumphs with him. It felt silly at first when I tried it because I was so angry and thinking "I'm over here pregnant and I need to give him a cookie and be appreciative when he does the right thing?! Nobody is giving me a damn cookie everyday" I don't know if it'll be a forever success but I do appreciate the current progress. I hope your conversation goes well tonight. You have so much other stuff in your life that you should be focusing on and I hope he understands that you should not have to worry about the logistics of getting to the hospital because of his choices. 
  • @izza2 @amys614 same same same about repeating conversations!  The past month or two DH's drinking has picked up a little bit again, still not every day or anything but lately it's been every other week/almost weekly for a couple days and it pisses me off.  We usually end up talking about it, and a lot of times he wants to talk about it, but I'm just sick of saying the same stuff, both of us getting upset and crying, and then nothing changing.  Hope you guys have better luck with your talks!
  • @izza2 So far so good. When I can, I wear a smaller jacket and that tends to help. Lots of people are off this week so gives me a break :)
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    @amys614 - I was hoping that my constant thanks and praise for his cutting back/stopping would be incentive and make him realize how appreciative I was and make him want to continue what he was doing, but that doesn't seem to be the case so far.
    I'm really glad that YH is reacting positively to your praise, though. :smile:

    Me: 30 | DH: 34 | DSS: 14 | DS: 4
    PG #2, EDD 10/12/2023

  • @izza2 he started to do so much better while on vacation, but I can see some of the depression creeping back in after only a week back at work. He’s still doing better, and I think a lot of it has to do with getting him some vitamin d sunshine in ca so I’m hopeful that once spring comes he’ll be better overall. 

    I’m sad to hear you’re struggling, but happy that you’re dealing with your own mental health proactively. I’m sure it’s frus feeling like YH doesn’t “get it.” It being that you need him to be mostly a sober companion on this journey. I think it’s hard for a lot of people to grow up and think about the consequences all the time. I know sometimes even I daydream about vacations and think like “oh yeah and wouldn’t it be fun to go tequila tasting in Mexico?” But then remember oh right, will have baby lol can’t be drunk with baby unless sober baby sitter is with us. I think for guys for whatever reason it’s like that every day, especially because it’s such a part of culture. Every tv show shows a guy coming home from work and having a drink. And then once you’ve had a drink, what’s one more? And with each one your judgment becomes skewed. And then it ESPECIALLY sucks to be the pregnant stressed partner who comes home sober to an artificially relaxed partner, and its like fuck you I can’t even drink if I want to, and I’m the one with the better reason to, and can you just be supportive right now. I work freelance at home now, so DH gets home after I do, but I remember when he was in law school when I’d get home and he’d be drunk with his friends because it’s a Thursday. There’s something just extra terrible about being the second person home and the first person has already started drinking. I’m sure if I weren’t pregnant and DH got home from a shitty day and I were drunk it would annoy the shit out of him too. It sucks you can’t give him a taste of his own medicine. Maybe tell him you’re keeping a journal of every day he’s the irresponsible partner and you expect compensation when you can be irresponsible again? Lol hugs though girl. I hope things improve. 
  • izza2izza2 member
    @doxiemoxie212

    Yes, to all of that. I would love to have a glass of wine or a Henry's when I'm stressed! Granted I'd be tipsy after like 3 sips right now, most likely (I had one sip of cider around Christmas and felt slightly tipsy, so...), but still.

    It pisses me off for two reasons: one, because I can't enjoy that fake-calmness with him, and two because when he drinks he doesn't help with anything. If he comes home and has a "horrible day" (which usually means one person made some comment to him - usually the same person that makes the same comment on a weekly basis), he'll crack open a beer and just sit and watch TV the rest of the night. He leaves parts of SS's homework for me to help him with or check on, he doesn't switch laundry or do dishes, doesn't let the dogs out, does zero/zilch. He'll wait until I'm home, and say that X needs to be done and Y needs to be checked and Z still hasn't been finished...
    I'm just over it.


    But, I'm glad that YH was good for a bit! Forgive me if I've asked/you've mentioned it (I'm sure you have!), but does he take a Vitamin D supplement or anything? H has started to feel better since I made him start taking his. I'm obviously not there and don't know everything that goes on, but it sounds like his misery may be originating from his work place.

    Me: 30 | DH: 34 | DSS: 14 | DS: 4
    PG #2, EDD 10/12/2023

  • @izza2 yes, I have him on vitamin d3 gummies, and I think those help, but I think it takes a while. So that combined with the actual sunshine I think helped a lot. DH is also half black, which if I understand correctly means he likely absorbs vitamin d to a much lesser extent than folks with lighter skin do, but that could be internet mumbo jumbo -- not sure. I def think he should be supplementing sort of no matter what, but part of me wants him to go to the doctor and get some labs done to see if he should be taking more than the recommended amount in winter especially. Obv vitamin d won't fix his workplace lol but I feel like it helps his ability to cope with it. 
  • I hope its okay i pop over here - I just wanted to give you ladies all the love and hugs <3 and say that,

    @Austenista I agree with all of the ladies above.  I cut my mother out of my life about 7 years ago, and I can understand the toll it is wearing on you.  Many days I think about how she never attending my college graduation, wedding, and knows nothing about her one and only granddaughter.  It is such a mental mind f**k and then adding all of the emotions of pregnancy on top of it just escalates everything.  Please know though, that it is so true - just because people are "blood" doesn't mean they deserve a place in your life.  I hope you are able to find the peace you are looking for and are able to find an outlet.  I wanted you to know you are not alone <3 
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    Married March 2016
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  • izza2izza2 member
    @doxiemoxie212 - Definitely; even if it won't help with his work place, it would at least help him be able to cope with things better, already being in a better mind set!
    Sometimes I feel like we would have to kidnap our own husbands and tie them to a chair or table to get them to have their health care needs attended to. *eye roll*

    Me: 30 | DH: 34 | DSS: 14 | DS: 4
    PG #2, EDD 10/12/2023

  • @izza2 thanks for asking. Zoloft is going okay. I feel less anxiety on a daily basis but I'm sure the dose will need to be increased. I'm sticking with the 25 mg for now and will reevaluate in a couple weeks at my 28 week appointment. The psych NP I work for said normal dosing for intrusive thoughts is anywhere from 100 mg to like 250mg. So we'll see. 

    That was a major struggle for me PP with dd and I had noticed some less intense ones starting again so, nip it in the bud is my theory.
    We are so excited to grow our family!
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  • I just realized I don't think I updated much recently {sorry!}

    So on the 27th I ended up making an appt with my GP to talk about the anxiety issue. She confirmed what was assumed, I'm not use to my growing size and that's triggering claustrophobia.

    She mentioned that's not the concern she's worried about, she's thinking more about the anxiety-depression hamster wheel.
    Nothing is set in stone - she wants me back in spring when I've been wearing a thinner coat for a bit - to update, but the possibility is that I'm going back on Celexa after the baby's born and not breastfeeding.

    As she said, baby will be fed - there's lots of options - but my mental health shouldn't take a backseat. Sounds like my dr - who's had kids of her own - is definitely on the "fed is best" :) Which makes me love her even more.
  • @izza2 You are so thoughtful, thank you for asking.  Things are ok. We are finally getting into a counselor next week, and he seems genuinely invested and trying to fix things. I have worked through feelings of desperation/depression and function between apathy/anger/fear I’ll be able to forgive but never believe or trust him again. I feel like these things are normal and just keep telling him that if he is still being deceptive, he needs to just give me the kindness of telling me before I have another kid to worry about and am jobless.  I’ve set up my own savings account and have information from a family lawyer, so my bases are covered if they need to be. His mom also found out and has made it clear that she would provide whatever support i need, if necessary.

    We have good moments. I sleep with Benadryl and have done well on Prozac. Zoloft made me sick and I had multiple anxiety attacks while on it.

    I hate that I can’t just enjoy my pregnancy and have really cut back on social media, because everyone’s stupid happy families annoy me. 

    But, we are pressing on.

  • izza2izza2 member
    I'm glad that things are starting to kind of look up or move in a positive direction @pupsicle23 :heart: You're going through an incredibly difficult thing during the worst imaginable time in your life. I applaud you for keeping your head above water at all *hugs*
    Glad things are getting better @sabby2!


    TL;DR for me: not doing well in college, today was especially horrible, I'm mentally exhausted.

    AFM, I'm having an extremely horrible day. Full disclosure is that I'm not doing well in college at the moment.
    I had a great start to the semester, and the past month has been horrible. I started to turn around after having one bad exam grade, but with everything that happened to my mum and her back and forth recovering over the past few weeks, I wasn't able to keep on that good path.
    Today was my breaking point. Lots of little things adding up this morning, and not getting a good enough grade on the exam today, and I've spent most of the day crying.
    H has been incredibly supportive and has been trying to make me feel better, but, it's not working. He keeps saying it's on the teachers for changing how they're teaching the class (the majority of the class is doing worse overall this semester than last semester; all the same students and the same two teachers), and that I've been under extra stress because of things with my mother, but in the end if falls on my shoulders.
    We have a contingency plan, but I don't want to go to that contingency plan. I want this to be over with.
    I'm just mentally not in a great place right now. I'm exhausted, I'm strung out, I'm worn down.

    Me: 30 | DH: 34 | DSS: 14 | DS: 4
    PG #2, EDD 10/12/2023

  • @izza2 First, hugs. Shitty days blow, and they can go fuck themselves. 

    Second, what are we talking about here? Are we talking about you potentially actually failing this class (and if so, it impacting graduation) or are we talking about a grade you personally are unhappy with? 
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    @doxiemoxie212 - Potentially actually failing this class. I ace the quizzes, I ace the homework, but the last few actual exams have been crap. And each one is 10% of my grade, so it added up quick.

    I've found out that there are ~5 other people in the class (there's 15 of us total) who are also failing it right now.

    I have 2 more exams worth 10% of my grade, a final worth 20% of my grade, and an 8-page paper worth 5% of my grade left for this semester. There's a chance I can ace the last 3 exams, but I'm not confident with how the semester has gone overall that that'll be the case.

    Me: 30 | DH: 34 | DSS: 14 | DS: 4
    PG #2, EDD 10/12/2023

  • @izza2 ugh, that is rough. Is there an option to get a tutor? Or partner up with the other students and create a study group of some sort? I'm not sure what kind of subject material it is and whether that would be beneficial or not. I know how stressful that would be for me, though, and I hope it all works out. I have certainly had classes where I did not do very well on early exams and still ended up with an A in the class because the teacher took pity on everyone. DH had a required class in law school where a contingent of the students complained to the dean about the teacher, and they actually swapped the entire class to pass/fail instead of letter grades, which is a huge anomaly in law school (DH sort of doesn't know constitutional law because of this...  :#). So weird things happen even beyond you just acing your future tests, and I hope something lucky happens for you. If it doesn't... well, that's going to suck. If you fail this class it will suck, but you will survive, you will get through it. So as much as you can, try to breathe and not panic and take things one day at a time. All you can do is your best. I know that's cliche, but it's also true. 
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    @doxiemoxie212 - Historically when I've tried to study with my classmates, it hasn't worked out for me and if anything has left me more confused. Sometimes they're great and focused, but other times they'll do one thing related to the subject material and then one of them will start talking off-subject and it's a 5-minute conversation in the middle of the study group.

    Thank you, though. I'm trying to remind myself that no matter what happens, we'll be okay and I can re-take the class next semester. It puts our plans back 6 months, but in the end, it's not the end of the world. If nothing else, silver lining would be that I'd get to come back from mat leave and not worry about starting a new position, so!

    Me: 30 | DH: 34 | DSS: 14 | DS: 4
    PG #2, EDD 10/12/2023

  • @izza2 I'm the same way, I've never been able to study with other people, but it might give you all more evidence perhaps that you did everything you could to study for the class and there's something structurally wrong with what's being asked of you -- IDK. It's a shitty situation. But I hope it ends up okay. 
  • @izza2 I know you're much busier than I was when I was doing this, but I'll offer it anyway. When I had a super challenging class, I used to record every word my professor said, come home and type up notes as close to verbatim as possible and then make my own tests via online test generators and take them until I was acing them at home as a study method. It got me through some challenging classes. 
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  • I know I've never posted here before, so sorry for barging into your conversation, but I've run out of ideas on how to help MH. He has always struggled with mental health issues ranging from anxiety, depression, to anger issues/rage. Some of my friends have warned me about it, but honestly it has never bothered me. We've been together 10 years and when I married him, I definitely knew what I was getting myself into. He has just been in such a spiral since he got laid off back in October and I really thought him being employed would make a difference, but he is still so miserable since the move. He just feels like a failure who couldn't hack it in the real world and had to move "back home" (though we rent our own house with our own money, it just happens to be where he grew up). It doesn't help that he kinda gave up on finding another job in video games and took a generic IT job at a construction company, so he hates himself for that too. He had a bit of a meltdown at work today and said all he wants is to move back to San Diego and that we rushed this decision and positions are opening up again and he shouldn't have given up on his dream and now he's trapped in this life that he hates.. 

    I just don't know what to say/do anymore. I try to help him see the silver linings and he jumps down my throat, I try to commiserate with him and it doesn't help, I try to leave him alone and he says I'm ignoring him. I think the reality of the baby coming soon is adding to his stress, but sometimes I just want to shake him and remind him that our life isn't bad at all! We have a great house, surrounded by family that loves and supports us, and we both have jobs that pay well enough for us to not have to really worry about budgeting. But I know that with mental illness, it's hard to see the good. He mentioned today about going back on antidepressants (he stopped taking them when we started TTC) and I would support that, but he didn't really do well on them. They made him physically ill and added to his feelings of failure. He is also working on getting his medical card so he can start smoking again, which I know will help, but idk, I just feel so helpless and sometimes it's hard not to take his rants about how much his life sucks personally. 
    Me 30 Him 30
    Married
     August 2015
    DS born 5/23/2018
    TTC #2 July 2020



  • @Amphibious22 I moved back to San Francisco for about a year in my early twenties, partially because my mom was sick and partially because New York became overwhelming and DH and I had taken a break. I felt like SUCH a failure. I can completely understand how YH feels, but I also came through the other side so the only thing I can say is that i do think he’ll eventualky realize how silly he’s being — he’s not a failure at all. That said, you have a baby on the way and are under a time crunch to get his head in the game so I feel for you. I’ve been dealing with MH not feeling like a failure but feeling... like he’s given up on his dreams or something. It’s rough. I’m sorry you have to deal with it. I’ll say a few things have helped DH: 1) CBD oil, exercise and vitamin d supplements, tho I imagine you’re getting more sun than we are, 2) a real vacation, 3) my being in pain and unable to tend him him as much. He has stepped up more emotionally in the last two weeks since my spd and rib pain kicked in, almost like my patience with him was enabling his downward spiral to continue. I haven’t been nagging him or anything, I’ve just genuinely needed his help more, and for some reason I think that’s helped his mental state? Maybe he was just faking it at first because he thought it was inappropriate given how much pain I was in, I don’t know, but I think “fake it til you make it” works sometimes, tricks the brain, etc. Anyway, all that to say, I hear you, I understand how shitty it is, and if you’ve tried backing off on needing his help maybe try the opposite. Sometimes shit is counterintuitive. 
  • @doxiemoxie212 thanks for the advice. I know you've mentioned CBD oil before, so maybe I'll talk to him about it again. He really hates exercising though. Like if the weather's really nice, I can convince him to go on a hike, but otherwise definitely no. A vacation would be wonderful, but we both just started new jobs so also out. I will try to make him feel more "useful" I guess. I know he feels like I don't care about him as much since I got pregnant even though I don't feel like I've changed that much. I'm just trying to be more present in our conversations and if he's in the office, I'll go in the office too instead of staying in the other room. 
    Me 30 Him 30
    Married
     August 2015
    DS born 5/23/2018
    TTC #2 July 2020



  • @Amphibious22 ugh that’s hard that he’s saying he feels like you care about him less or something because that guilt is so difficult. Do you think he’s just pre-stressing about the baby? Like he’s worried he’ll be second fiddle once the baby comes and is acting like that’s already the case? 
  • Amphibious22Amphibious22 member
    edited March 2018
    @doxiemoxie212 He's definitely pre-stressing about the baby. I think he was fine with having a kid in theory when we were ttc, and then it took so long to actually get pregnant, that now he's like "I don't think I'm ready for this!" I'm over here like, well maybe you should've said something in the two years that we were actively trying because it's too late now! I think he's really afraid of us turning into the type of parent he doesn't want to be. Like the all consuming, my child is my whole life and I don't matter and you don't matter and my child is the only thing that matters. 

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    Married
     August 2015
    DS born 5/23/2018
    TTC #2 July 2020



  • doxiemoxie212doxiemoxie212 member
    edited March 2018
    @Amphibious22 make him read bringing up Bebe. Sort of joking, sort of not, but it made me feel a lot more comfortable with the idea that kids don’t take over a life/relationship. Has your sex life changed since getting pregnant? I only ask because when DH and I were trying, I NEEDED him to bang me all the time. Luckily he got sick of it as much as I did lol but if YH didn’t, maybe he’s having withdrawals from feeling so needed in that way? (Or maybe you weren’t ask effing psycho as I was about ttc lol and this is irrelevant. I was very regimented, no romance, get the live, you MUST bang me every night in the 5 day window before I ovulate, etc lol) Sorry to speculate so much. I just relate to what you’re going through a lot, and I was so hopeful that moving would be the fix for y’all, and it sounds like on paper everything is going so well! :-/
  • izza2izza2 member
    @Amphibious22 - doxie gave you great advice, being in a similar position herself, but I just wanted to share that MH had the same reaction once we got our BFP. He was 100% on trying, was kinda disappointed each time AF came, but once we actually got our BFP his real first reaction was that he wasn't sure he was ready. He also has horrible examples for parents and relationships in his own family, so that's a lot of his issues with parenthood and feeling inadequate. Don't feel weird that YH reacted that way. I definitely think the thought of a baby (TTGP) and the reality of a baby (BFP) are two completely different mind-sets.


    If YH feels that you two will put the kid(s) before yourselves and your relationship, I suggest making a sort of game plan or agreement for helping that not happen.
    I remember reading an article at one point while TTGP that talked about how relationships change, and that the one thing a couple shouldn't do is put their child before their relationship. Not in a "screw the kid, we'll do whatever we want" kind of way, but in a way that you can put your relationship first, and not feel guilty about it. Making time (not "finding time") to do "couple" things still, choosing to cuddle on the couch with H instead of playing connect 4 for the 10th time -- stuff like that. Telling them to wait a minute to play with dolls so you can have a 5-minute conversation with YH about his day.
    [For example: H and I have "bath time", which is the 10-15 minutes at night where H takes a bath and I'm in the bathroom with him. We talk about our days, how things are going, what new gossip/news we have, etc. It's usually while SS is doing his homework, but he knows that those precious 10-15 minutes where H is taking a bath are "our time". We fully intend to keep that going once LO is here and growing up, unless something is happening that we can't leave him alone.]

    It keeps your relationship strong, but also teaches your child(ren) that you and YH are still in a loving relationship. It also helps keep them from being self-centered later in life. I've learned that parents who put their kids before anything else in the world, including themselves, usually end up with kids who think the world really does revolve around them.
    To think about it in another way - you absolutely love your child, and you will always love them, but in 18 years they're going to be adults, with their own lives, their own hobbies, and potentially even their own spouses. Off to college or to find themselves or just to explore the world. If you spend the next 18 years putting every ounce of your focus in to your child, and ignore yourself and your spouse, then once your kid has grown up and moved out, what are you left with? A broken relationship (if any relationship at all) and no sense of "self".

    All that to say; definitely talk about how you'll keep your relationship separate but also integrated, and also how you'll make ways to put it before LO.

    Me: 30 | DH: 34 | DSS: 14 | DS: 4
    PG #2, EDD 10/12/2023

  • @izza2 you have bath time with YH too?? Every night when DH comes home he immediately gets in the bath and I sit on the toilet with the lid down and ask about his day  :D

    and totally agree - in fact, I’d argue putting your relationship first IS putting your children first. It may not be that you’re putting their immediate happiness first, but you’re putting their ultimate well-being first. 
  • izza2izza2 member
    @izza2 you have bath time with YH too?? Every night when DH comes home he immediately gets in the bath and I sit on the toilet with the lid down and ask about his day  :D

    and totally agree - in fact, I’d argue putting your relationship first IS putting your children first. It may not be that you’re putting their immediate happiness first, but you’re putting their ultimate well-being first. 
    Yep, we have bath time, lol! It's been a thing since we were together for like two weeks. I thought it was mega weird at first, but now I feel weird when it doesn't happen for some reason!

    To the bolded: yes, absolutely! That's the main point of the articles (but, verbose venter over here; I can't just state the point and GTFO) I've read regarding the topic. It may seem selfish or whatever to some people, but showing your kids that your relationship is strong, that you still love your spouse, and you value your time with them, etc. - it's showing your kids not only what a healthy relationship looks like, but helps keep them in a two-parent household.

    Me: 30 | DH: 34 | DSS: 14 | DS: 4
    PG #2, EDD 10/12/2023

  • @izza2 @doxiemoxie212 plus one to bath time. We both get ready for bed with a bath and that's our downtime after baby is in bed to chat and just be together. I either come sit or stand and chat while he bathes and we also chat while he poops (#romance) and I bathe. 
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  • @izza2 on weekends when DH is home he spends at least three hours a day, collectively, in a bath. Sometimes it drives me nuts (we only have one bathroom, dude), but it is who he is. I know he’s most excited to bring the baby in the bath with him and I can’t wait until she poops on him in there. I’ll die laughing. (Just like I died laughing when he brought our 10-week-old puppy in the bath with him when we first got her and she scratched the shiiiit out of his junk  :D)
  • @doxiemoxie212 I think the change in our sex life is probably a big factor. While we were ttc we were an EOD couple pretty much the whole time. And he never got sick of it. Since I got pregnant it's been more like once a month. I just have no drive. I keep telling myself to just suck it up and do it for him, but it's so hard when you feel gross to even pretend to be in the mood. And from the description of bringing up Bebe it sounds exactly like our type of book, so I was going to actually read it myself. I doubt MH will read it since he has an ironic (but still mostly serious) hatred of all things french. 

    @izza2 thanks for the advice. We really need to have a good game plan in place to keep our relationship strong. He is a very needy person in general, so I think he's extra worried that I won't have time for him once the baby comes. I really don't think it'll happen, but it is a legitimate fear so I'm trying to be extra understanding about it. 
    Me 30 Him 30
    Married
     August 2015
    DS born 5/23/2018
    TTC #2 July 2020



  • I'm not sure, but I think I may have figured out why my back sometimes hurts really bad on the bus & part of what could be triggering my anxiety!
    {my dr asked me to try and track what could be the causes}

    back pain on bus -
    I've noticed when the bus is busy, my back hurts more. I'm thinking it's likely because my body is tensing up because I'm nervous, so it's causing more pain on my back.
    The bus does clear out after a certain point, but I think once it's nicer out I may just take advantage and get off the bus and wait for the next one if I can't handle it.

    anxiety trigger {other than bus} -
    We can't do anything with the baby's room! Tomorrow I'll be 29 weeks and I keep running through my head how much still needs to be done {stuff moved, painting, set up what we have ... etc}
    Plus we have baby stuff EVERYWHERE because of this!

    I get anxious when our house is cluttered, so I was talking to my H about getting things done and it may help. He agrees, and we both know the reason things haven't been able to get done is because we've been so busy. So that's no one's fault really.
    Hopefully cleaning and organizing will help me feel better. :)
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